Mike Murray
Too much glue. You should be able to do at least 2 tires w/ a single tube
of glue.
Mike Murray
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From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Tim Schauer
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 14:23 PM
To: Brooke Hoyer; Kurt; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Tufo Tape & Continental Glue
I agree with Brooke, so far.Here is my experience with tubular this year.
I've been racing cross for maybe 7 years. And I'm a tubular newbie, but this
year jumped on the tubie bandwagon. I went with the old school mastik, no
tape. I stretched the tires for 3 weeks on a dry rim. I used acetone to
remove some of the old glue from the previously glued Mavic helium rims (let
those dry for 48 hours). I followed the cyclocrossworld.com gluing
instructions for two layers of glue each on the rim and tires, 24 hours
between each layer. Thin layers, not thick lumpy layers of glue. I used
2-1/2 tubes of Mastik. I had never glued tubular myself before. I blistered
my thumbs and hands getting them on. I was very stressful getting them
straight and even on the rim. I think I lost 5 pounds of sweat getting those
damn tires on the rim. The last of the thumb skin peeled off this week from
the aged blisters, ouch. I have used the tubulars in 4 races so far,
including yesterday at Alpenrose. I ran them yesterday at 32 lbs of
pressure, and I weigh a little under 200 lbs. No problems whatsoever. I will
never go back to racing on clincher if I have a choice.
The no tape worked for me, so far..
-Tim
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Brooke Hoyer
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 11:42 AM
To: Kurt; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Tufo Tape & Continental Glue
Kurt,
I assume this is for a cross tire? For cross, friends don't let friends use
tape. There are a few problems ...
1) Tufo tape is thick stuff. Water will get in around the gap between the
base tape and the rim. Water is the worst enemy for a tire/rim bond. So
thick that under compression/decompression cycles, water works it's way in
and deteriorates the bond quickly. Also, Tufo tape can actually suck up
water! I would not recommend tape alone.
2) If you roll a tire, tear a tire, or tweak a rim, you have to clean that
crap off. It's a process you will never want to repeat.
3) A glue only bond is plenty strong if done properly. Last year, I tore a
tire. The base tape came off the tire before the the glue bond was
compromised.
Bottom line? Get a pot of Vittoria Mastik, some dispoable flux brushes, and
glue up those tires!
Regards,
Brooke Hoyer
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> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:06:17 -0700
> From: kjr@kurtrobinson.org
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Tufo Tape & Continental Glue
>
> Yesterday I tried a tubular setup with Tufo Extreme tape on a new Tufo
tire and new EA70X rim and ... it came off. I had ridden his wheel on dry
conditions with no problems.
>
> The Tufo Extreme tape I used stayed on the rim perfectly. However, the
tire pulled away from the tape perfectly as well. The cotton bead was clean
which leads me to believe that the cotton wicked water and lost its bond.
>
> I managed to get the Tufo tape off the rim, eventually, after two thumbs
worth of skin, and some fierce words...
>
> I read on a forum that applying glue directly to the cotton (presumably to
seal it and ensure a bond?) alleviates this problem, and the tape can still
be used on the rim side, thus making the project faster and cleaner, albeit
more expensive (~$10 per wheel vs. $6)
>
> Question:
> Does anyone know if Tufo tape is compatible with Continental Glue?
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