from CNN, chainless...

(regards to shaft drive...) he used for high speed events, not for sprinting. but the design was actually quite good in that it was efficient, unlike most modern "differentials" where the sliding action of right angle gears wastes a lot of energy (ie main reason front wheel drive cars are more efficient then rwd) [but surface contact area is needed to transmit the power of a vehicle]. This design used some sort of balls on end of fingers point-contact onto and rotating on plates... something like that, I can picture it in my head, i read about it somewhere or it was in the book by Ritchie. As you can imagine, it must have been somewhat hard to tweak, and somewhat flexible especially under high start torque loads. So the chain drive was used for sprint type racing that he did, in the "nascar" type circuit races he competed in. BTW, Major was a hell of machinist / technical type, and really wanted to get a formal engineering education, of course not
accepted(in my opinion, tragically) . With a little math and physics under his belt, we can only wonder at what he may have come up with.

--- On Wed, 11/19/08, Doug Hormann wrote:

> From: Doug Hormann
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] from CNN, chainless...
> To: "'Luciano bailey'" , "'Jeff Tedder & Shari'" , suckwheel@gmail.com, "'zak'"
> Date: Wednesday, November 19, 2008, 5:19 PM
> It wouldn't have been so cool if Major Taylor hadn't
> been riding it.
>
>
>
> Doug
>
>
>
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> Behalf Of Luciano bailey
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> To: Jeff Tedder & Shari; suckwheel@gmail.com; zak
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] from CNN, chainless...
>
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>
> 100 years ago Major Taylor shaft drive track bike give us
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> > To: suckwheel@gmail.com; obra@list.obra.org
> > Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:09:06 -0800
> > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] from CNN, chainless...
> >
> > Yes I saw a cross bike at the SSWC TT on Saturday with
> a belt drive and
> > Co-Motion is doing it on the timing chain side of some
> of there tandems
> now,
> > I saw them at Interbike, pretty cool...
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David Hart"
>
> > To:
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 9:00 AM
> > Subject: [OBRA Chat] from CNN, chainless...
> >
> >
> > >I like the sound of a well lubed chain though...
> > >
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Doug Hormann

2008-11-19

On the other hand, as cool as it might seem to have a shaft drive, the
reality is that there are some very basic mechanical reasons why we don't
see them on all bikes and it is that chains are simply more efficient, by
far, than a shaft. Losses due to turning the power delivery 90 degrees
(twice) through a bevel gear setup takes a lot of power that isn't lost in a
chain system. In a car or motorcycle that is making lots of horsepower, the
loss of a couple here and there doesn't have much impact on performance
(unless you are racing motorcycles where you don't see shaft drives either).
On a bicycle, the loss of even a small percentage of power can have a very
noticeable effect.

Doug

From: Dan H [mailto:dan@bicyclerepairman.us]
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 5:46 PM
To: Doug Hormann
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] from CNN, chainless...

http://www.vivacykler.dk/img/products/fullsize/mille_miglia_art.jpg

----- Original Message -----

From: Doug Hormann

To: 'Luciano bailey' ; 'Jeff Tedder
& Shari' ; suckwheel@gmail.com ;
'zak'

Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 5:19 PM

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] from CNN, chainless...

It wouldn't have been so cool if Major Taylor hadn't been riding it.

Doug

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Luciano bailey
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 4:58 PM
To: Jeff Tedder & Shari; suckwheel@gmail.com; zak
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] from CNN, chainless...

100 years ago Major Taylor shaft drive track bike give us more

> From: sharkattack97219@peoplepc.com
> To: suckwheel@gmail.com; obra@list.obra.org
> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:09:06 -0800
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] from CNN, chainless...
>
> Yes I saw a cross bike at the SSWC TT on Saturday with a belt drive and
> Co-Motion is doing it on the timing chain side of some of there tandems
now,
> I saw them at Interbike, pretty cool...
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Hart"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 9:00 AM
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] from CNN, chainless...
>
>
> >I like the sound of a well lubed chain though...
> >
> >
> > http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/11/19/chainless.bicycles.ap/index.html
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2008-11-19

It wouldn't have been so cool if Major Taylor hadn't been riding it.

Doug

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
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Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 4:58 PM
To: Jeff Tedder & Shari; suckwheel@gmail.com; zak
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] from CNN, chainless...

100 years ago Major Taylor shaft drive track bike give us more

> From: sharkattack97219@peoplepc.com
> To: suckwheel@gmail.com; obra@list.obra.org
> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:09:06 -0800
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] from CNN, chainless...
>
> Yes I saw a cross bike at the SSWC TT on Saturday with a belt drive and
> Co-Motion is doing it on the timing chain side of some of there tandems
now,
> I saw them at Interbike, pretty cool...
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Hart"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 9:00 AM
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] from CNN, chainless...
>
>
> >I like the sound of a well lubed chain though...
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100 years ago Major Taylor shaft drive track bike give us more> From: sharkattack97219@peoplepc.com> To: suckwheel@gmail.com; obra@list.obra.org> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:09:06 -0800> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] from CNN, chainless...> > Yes I saw a cross bike at the SSWC TT on Saturday with a belt drive and > Co-Motion is doing it on the timing chain side of some of there tandems now, > I saw them at Interbike, pretty cool...> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Hart" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 9:00 AM> Subject: [OBRA Chat] from CNN, chainless...> > > >I like the sound of a well lubed chain though...> >> >> > http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/11/19/chainless.bicycles.ap/index.html> > _______________________________________________> > OBRA mailing list> > obra@list.obra.org> > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra> > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org > > _______________________________________________> OBRA mailing list> obra@list.obra.org> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
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Matthew Haughey

2008-11-19

VeloNews did a short piece on it:
http://tinyurl.com/6saj5v

On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 9:09 AM, Jeff Tedder & Shari
wrote:
> Yes I saw a cross bike at the SSWC TT on Saturday with a belt drive and
> Co-Motion is doing it on the timing chain side of some of there tandems now,
> I saw them at Interbike, pretty cool...
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Hart"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 9:00 AM
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] from CNN, chainless...
>
>
>>I like the sound of a well lubed chain though...
>>
>>
>> http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/11/19/chainless.bicycles.ap/index.html
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2008-11-19

Yes I saw a cross bike at the SSWC TT on Saturday with a belt drive and
Co-Motion is doing it on the timing chain side of some of there tandems now,
I saw them at Interbike, pretty cool...
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Hart"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 9:00 AM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] from CNN, chainless...

>I like the sound of a well lubed chain though...
>
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/11/19/chainless.bicycles.ap/index.html
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David Hart

2008-11-19

I like the sound of a well lubed chain though...

http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/11/19/chainless.bicycles.ap/index.html