Dan H

"if you can still afford either the new Dura Ace 7900 or Sram Red in
today's economy you should keep it to yourself."

If you can afford that stuff in today's economy, tell the rest of us how you
do it!

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From: "Ken Finch"
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Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Sram vs Shimano

>I was half jokingly going to say that if you can still afford either the
>new Dura Ace 7900 or Sram Red in today's economy you should keep it to
>yourself. I think there's something fundamentally wrong with the price
>increases Shimano has put on the new Dura Ace. Just my 2 cents. Not that
>that gets you anything these days. :)
>
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Eric Aleskus

I recently switch from Campy to SRAM for the off season. I have been
very impressed. Two nice features are: 1. While in the drops you can
have the double tap lever pulled back and flick the wrist inwards and
it shifts. 2. While climbing a shifting up or down it is very smooth
and you don't get a lag or a hiccup.

You may want consider mixing up the group set for SRAM. All Shifters
can now trim on the large ring and can be adjusted for smaller hands.
There's only a 10g difference between the Force Brake Calipers (275g)
and Red Brake Calipers (265g) but have about $90 difference retail. So
$9 a gram difference.

I would do Force on Shifters, Front Derailleur, maybe brakes and
Crankset and do RED on Rear Derailleur and Bottom Bracket and use the
extra cash on ceramic bearing for wheels.

Eric
On Dec 5, 2008, at 1:31 PM, craig austin wrote:

> Shimano's just trying to keep up with the Jones-agnolos. Super
> Record 11 is pricey.
>
> On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Ken Finch wrote:
> I was half jokingly going to say that if you can still afford either
> the new Dura Ace 7900 or Sram Red in today's economy you should keep
> it to yourself. I think there's something fundamentally wrong with
> the price increases Shimano has put on the new Dura Ace. Just my 2
> cents. Not that that gets you anything these days. :)
>
> Ken
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Evan Plews

Keep in mind that all bike and component pricing is going way up this year... Why--dramatic increases in raw material and energy costs over the last two years. Fortunately all the costs HAVE gone down this fall but the manufacturers determined pricing before this and as a reponse to losing profits the last couple years.

The Dura Ace 7900 has some changes that would increase manufacturing process time/cost anyway. Just remember that while the Dura Ace keeps getting more expensive, the low end bikes keep getting more and more for the buck. It is amazing how decent even the department store bikes have become since I was wrenching back in the early 90s.

Shoot, the lowest end Shimano road group now performs better in every way than my first 105 group...

> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 13:26:55 -0800> From: kj_finch@yahoo.com> To: obra@otter.wsbaracing.com> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Sram vs Shimano> > I was half jokingly going to say that if you can still afford either the new Dura Ace 7900 or Sram Red in today's economy you should keep it to yourself. I think there's something fundamentally wrong with the price increases Shimano has put on the new Dura Ace. Just my 2 cents. Not that that gets you anything these days. :)> > Ken> _______________________________________________> OBRA mailing list> obra@list.obra.org> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
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craig austin

Shimano's just trying to keep up with the Jones-agnolos. Super Record 11 is
pricey.

On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Ken Finch wrote:

> I was half jokingly going to say that if you can still afford either the
> new Dura Ace 7900 or Sram Red in today's economy you should keep it to
> yourself. I think there's something fundamentally wrong with the price
> increases Shimano has put on the new Dura Ace. Just my 2 cents. Not that
> that gets you anything these days. :)
>
> Ken
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Ken Finch

I was half jokingly going to say that if you can still afford either the new Dura Ace 7900 or Sram Red in today's economy you should keep it to yourself. I think there's something fundamentally wrong with the price increases Shimano has put on the new Dura Ace. Just my 2 cents. Not that that gets you anything these days. :)

Ken

Jacob Balderas

can I have some money? you must have an abundance if you're spending the $$ on Red or 7900. there's not a lot of performace difference between Rival-Force-Red...one of the "marketing" problems of SRAM that was reported recently on Velonews or someplace. Although the actuation on the SRAM group is "exact" with each throw/gear, some people I know are deterred by the first throw to upshift (smaller cog, higher gear ratio) because of the double click involved...and that is from both campy and shimano users. I don't think you can go wrong with either group...you should just test ride both and see what feels better. and then dig into your wallet for some serious dough.

From: greggm00@hotmail.comTo: obra@list.obra.orgDate: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 08:52:11 -0800Subject: [OBRA Chat] Sram vs Shimano

OBRA land I am looking for some input on peoples experiences with switching to Sram. My new road bike will be built up with either new Dura Ace 7900 or Sram Red. If anyone can give me some pros and cons on either system I would really apprciate it. I have been riding various Shimano 10 speed groups and every wheelset I have is Shimano so that is the reason I am not including Campy in my options....my apologizes to all you die hard Campy people :) Thanks, Gregg

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Michael Benno

Hey Gregg:

Last year I switched from Shimano to SRAM (shifters/derailleurs) on my cross bike mostly because of weight savings. I found, I like the ergonomics of the shifters so much that I also put them on my road bike too. I really like the shape of the levers. The shifting functionality is okay, you get used to the double tap, it becomes second nature, however, the double tap logic works funny at both the top and bottom of the cassette. At the top end, there is no double click, because you are at the limit, so the only option is single click (which sends the chain down a cog). Same are the bottom of the cassette on the single tap. It's a little frustrating at first but it's something you can train your brain fairly easily. It's certainly not as fundamentally obvious as the way that Shimano levers work (assuming you know). But I like the Sram because the lever shape was better, and I'm a weight wennie.

Last night I got to play with the new Shimano stuff. It took all of one grasp of the new lever to convince me to switch back! The new group is so nice. The levers are the right shape, like the Sram lever, and it's the right size, not too big, like the new campy lever. The rest of the Shimano group is rreally beautiful, especially the crank and new hollow chain-ring?! I also got a look at the new carbon composite wheels, they are nice and light too. I like the idea of a full shimano bike.

I have been told the new Sram Red is lighter and less expensive and has all those fancy ceramic bearings (my Sram is the Force model). So that still is an option for me, but I personally prefer the shift action of the Shimano of the double tap and I think the quality of the components of Shimano is outstanding - the stuff just does not wear out.

Hopefully this was helpful.
Mike

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Subject: [OBRA Chat] Sram vs Shimano

OBRA land I am looking for some input on peoples experiences with switching to Sram.  My new road bike will be built up with either new Dura Ace 7900 or Sram Red.  If anyone can give me some pros and cons on either system I would really apprciate it.  I have been riding various Shimano 10 speed groups and every wheelset I have is Shimano so that is the reason I am not including Campy in my options....my apologizes to all you die hard Campy people :)
 
Thanks,
 
Gregg

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OBRA land I am looking for some input on peoples experiences with switching to Sram. My new road bike will be built up with either new Dura Ace 7900 or Sram Red. If anyone can give me some pros and cons on either system I would really apprciate it. I have been riding various Shimano 10 speed groups and every wheelset I have is Shimano so that is the reason I am not including Campy in my options....my apologizes to all you die hard Campy people :)

Thanks,

Gregg
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