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Like I said before, We would love to do that. If they would put the race in the Cross Crusade series. We would love to put one on in Sothern Oregon. Cliff McCann Pistis MinistriesPistis.us541-659-4104> From: joec@aracnet.com> To: rondot@spiritone.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:44:35 -0800> CC: obra@list.obra.org> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] supporting races> > Ron, et. al., bring up good points:> If you want a race in your area, regardless of the type or format, pick> a date and a course and sponsor the event. Cross Crusade is popular> because Brad and many of the others involved bust their asses to put on> a good event for the participants as well as the spectators.> > It cant be up to one person or one team to foot the bill for all races.> There is a lot of hard work involved in setting the course, getting all> permits, having volunteers, securing the OBRA truck/officials/medical> staff, etc.> > Instead of asking 'why isnt theire a race in community>?', just roll up your sleeves and put one on yourself. Don't> count on getting rich (as has been previously discussed, that just> doesnt happen for promoters of local events), but think of putting forth> a challenging event that people will want to come back to> year-after=year.> > Joe C> > On Thu, 2008-12-18 at 13:36 -0800, Ron and Dorothy Strasser wrote:> > If racers want the Crusade to come to them... it is not up to Brad and Crew > > to make it happen, it is up to that community to help them make feel it is > > worth setting up the circus in their home instead of the Metro area. The #s > > will be smaller, but if done properly could still be worthwhile for all. It > > would just be the coming together of a good number of people wanting to make > > it happen. I must add that it all comes down to "if the Crusade wants to > > travel". They put out so much energy to do that series that I cannot > > attempt to measure in on a power meter. The real key is our support of > > local races.> > ron> > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Don Leet" > > To: "Rick Johnson" > > Cc: > > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 7:45 PM> > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] supporting races> > > > > > > Well there is that. I would love the Crusaders to come to Bend, as Brad > > > knows. But in the meanwhile I go to their home and try to win some of > > > that plunder back.> > > Don> > > On Dec 17, 2008, at 7:20 PM, Rick Johnson wrote:> > >> > >> Yes Don, that makes good logical sense and all but didn't the original > > >> Crusaders leave Europe to go wage their battles in foreign lands? How > > >> can one convert the heathens to their just and righteous cause by only > > >> fighting at home? Where's the fun in plundering only your neighbors?> > >> ;-)> > >>> > >> Rick> > >>> > >> Don Leet wrote:> > >>> I find all this talk about supporting races interesting and important > > >>> but I would like to put a little Bend, Oregon perspective in it. I > > >>> travel to Portland( and Astoria) for every Cross Crusade race. They are > > >>> the best period. I also travel to Portland for every Opera. They are > > >>> the best in the state (at least in my opinion). Not many Portlanders > > >>> come to Bend for our Opera, and I don't blame them. It is the same for > > >>> bike races. You need people to put on races ( and Opera). It is > > >>> expensive. Chris King doesn't want to come to Bend to give free coffee > > >>> to 100 racers. I don't blame him. Brad has the people and the resources > > >>> to do the best job. I drive every weekend to that end. I, like most of > > >>> you have to choose which races I go to. I choose Cross Crusade, they > > >>> are the best and worth the drive.> > >>> Don Leet> > >>> _______________________________________________> > >>> OBRA mailing list> > >>> obra@list.obra.org> > >>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra> > >>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org> > >>>> > >> > > _______________________________________________> > > OBRA mailing list> > > obra@list.obra.org> > > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra> > > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org> > > > > > > _______________________________________________> > OBRA mailing list> > obra@list.obra.org> > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra> > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org> _______________________________________________> OBRA mailing list> obra@list.obra.org> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
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The following is just an observation as I don't race cross and I'm not
associated with any race or series.



It seems easy to say just "just roll up your sleeves" and make a
successful race. I'm sure people who have had their sleeves rolled up
for years with marginal success could resent the insinuation that they
have not been trying hard enough. Sometimes success is easier to
achieve in some geographical areas than others. Portland is a good
example, lots of people and lots of people who like racing. Seems to me
that it could be argued that promoters in that area actually have it
much easier.



Now, were a promoter to use that base of success as leverage to improve
the racing in other parts of the state I would say that is an admirable
thing to do. After all this is the Oregon Bicycle Racing
Association and success should be measured by how well we serve the
entire organization, not just those in Portland.



Rick



joe cipale wrote:

Ron, et. al., bring up good points:

If you want a race in your area, regardless of the type or format, pick

a date and a course and sponsor the event. Cross Crusade is popular

because Brad and many of the others involved bust their asses to put on

a good event for the participants as well as the spectators.

It cant be up to one person or one team to foot the bill for all races.

There is a lot of hard work involved in setting the course, getting all

permits, having volunteers, securing the OBRA truck/officials/medical

staff, etc.

Instead of asking 'why isnt theire a race in <pick your local

community>?', just roll up your sleeves and put one on yourself. Don't

count on getting rich (as has been previously discussed, that just

doesnt happen for promoters of local events), but think of putting forth

a challenging event that people will want to come back to

year-after=year.

Joe C

On Thu, 2008-12-18 at 13:36 -0800, Ron and Dorothy Strasser wrote:

  

If racers want the Crusade to come to them... it is not up to Brad and Crew 

to make it happen, it is up to that community to help them make feel it is 

worth setting up the circus in their home instead of the Metro area.  The #s 

will be smaller, but if done properly could still be worthwhile for all.  It 

would just be the coming together of a good number of people wanting to make 

it happen.  I must add that it all comes down to "if the Crusade wants to 

travel".  They put out so much energy to do that series that I cannot 

attempt to measure in on a power meter.  The real key is our support of 

local races.

ron

----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Don Leet" <donoso@bendnet.com>

To: "Rick Johnson" <RCJohnson1@attglobal.net>

Cc: <obra@list.obra.org>

Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 7:45 PM

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] supporting races

    

Well there is that. I would love the Crusaders to come to Bend, as  Brad 

knows. But in the meanwhile I go to their home and try to win  some of 

that plunder back.

Don

On Dec 17, 2008, at 7:20 PM, Rick Johnson wrote:

      

Yes Don, that makes good logical sense and all but didn't the  original 

Crusaders leave Europe to go wage their battles in foreign  lands? How 

can one convert the heathens to their just and righteous  cause by only 

fighting at home? Where's the fun in plundering only  your neighbors?

;-)

Rick

Don Leet wrote:

        

I find all this talk about supporting races interesting and  important 

but I would like to put a little Bend, Oregon perspective  in it. I 

travel to Portland( and Astoria) for every Cross Crusade  race. They are 

the best period. I also travel to Portland for every  Opera. They are 

the best in the state (at least in my opinion). Not  many Portlanders 

come to Bend for our Opera, and I don't blame  them. It is the same for 

bike races. You need people to put on  races ( and Opera). It is 

expensive. Chris King doesn't want to  come to Bend to give free coffee 

to 100 racers. I don't blame him.  Brad has the people and the resources 

to do the best job. I drive  every weekend to that end. I, like most of 

you have to choose which  races I go to. I choose Cross Crusade, they 

are the best and worth  the drive.

Don Leet

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joe cipale

Ron, et. al., bring up good points:
If you want a race in your area, regardless of the type or format, pick
a date and a course and sponsor the event. Cross Crusade is popular
because Brad and many of the others involved bust their asses to put on
a good event for the participants as well as the spectators.

It cant be up to one person or one team to foot the bill for all races.
There is a lot of hard work involved in setting the course, getting all
permits, having volunteers, securing the OBRA truck/officials/medical
staff, etc.

Instead of asking 'why isnt theire a race in ?', just roll up your sleeves and put one on yourself. Don't
count on getting rich (as has been previously discussed, that just
doesnt happen for promoters of local events), but think of putting forth
a challenging event that people will want to come back to
year-after=year.

Joe C

On Thu, 2008-12-18 at 13:36 -0800, Ron and Dorothy Strasser wrote:
> If racers want the Crusade to come to them... it is not up to Brad and Crew
> to make it happen, it is up to that community to help them make feel it is
> worth setting up the circus in their home instead of the Metro area. The #s
> will be smaller, but if done properly could still be worthwhile for all. It
> would just be the coming together of a good number of people wanting to make
> it happen. I must add that it all comes down to "if the Crusade wants to
> travel". They put out so much energy to do that series that I cannot
> attempt to measure in on a power meter. The real key is our support of
> local races.
> ron
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don Leet"
> To: "Rick Johnson"
> Cc:
> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 7:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] supporting races
>
>
> > Well there is that. I would love the Crusaders to come to Bend, as Brad
> > knows. But in the meanwhile I go to their home and try to win some of
> > that plunder back.
> > Don
> > On Dec 17, 2008, at 7:20 PM, Rick Johnson wrote:
> >
> >> Yes Don, that makes good logical sense and all but didn't the original
> >> Crusaders leave Europe to go wage their battles in foreign lands? How
> >> can one convert the heathens to their just and righteous cause by only
> >> fighting at home? Where's the fun in plundering only your neighbors?
> >> ;-)
> >>
> >> Rick
> >>
> >> Don Leet wrote:
> >>> I find all this talk about supporting races interesting and important
> >>> but I would like to put a little Bend, Oregon perspective in it. I
> >>> travel to Portland( and Astoria) for every Cross Crusade race. They are
> >>> the best period. I also travel to Portland for every Opera. They are
> >>> the best in the state (at least in my opinion). Not many Portlanders
> >>> come to Bend for our Opera, and I don't blame them. It is the same for
> >>> bike races. You need people to put on races ( and Opera). It is
> >>> expensive. Chris King doesn't want to come to Bend to give free coffee
> >>> to 100 racers. I don't blame him. Brad has the people and the resources
> >>> to do the best job. I drive every weekend to that end. I, like most of
> >>> you have to choose which races I go to. I choose Cross Crusade, they
> >>> are the best and worth the drive.
> >>> Don Leet
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If racers want the Crusade to come to them... it is not up to Brad and Crew
to make it happen, it is up to that community to help them make feel it is
worth setting up the circus in their home instead of the Metro area. The #s
will be smaller, but if done properly could still be worthwhile for all. It
would just be the coming together of a good number of people wanting to make
it happen. I must add that it all comes down to "if the Crusade wants to
travel". They put out so much energy to do that series that I cannot
attempt to measure in on a power meter. The real key is our support of
local races.
ron
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Leet"
To: "Rick Johnson"
Cc:
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] supporting races

> Well there is that. I would love the Crusaders to come to Bend, as Brad
> knows. But in the meanwhile I go to their home and try to win some of
> that plunder back.
> Don
> On Dec 17, 2008, at 7:20 PM, Rick Johnson wrote:
>
>> Yes Don, that makes good logical sense and all but didn't the original
>> Crusaders leave Europe to go wage their battles in foreign lands? How
>> can one convert the heathens to their just and righteous cause by only
>> fighting at home? Where's the fun in plundering only your neighbors?
>> ;-)
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> Don Leet wrote:
>>> I find all this talk about supporting races interesting and important
>>> but I would like to put a little Bend, Oregon perspective in it. I
>>> travel to Portland( and Astoria) for every Cross Crusade race. They are
>>> the best period. I also travel to Portland for every Opera. They are
>>> the best in the state (at least in my opinion). Not many Portlanders
>>> come to Bend for our Opera, and I don't blame them. It is the same for
>>> bike races. You need people to put on races ( and Opera). It is
>>> expensive. Chris King doesn't want to come to Bend to give free coffee
>>> to 100 racers. I don't blame him. Brad has the people and the resources
>>> to do the best job. I drive every weekend to that end. I, like most of
>>> you have to choose which races I go to. I choose Cross Crusade, they
>>> are the best and worth the drive.
>>> Don Leet
>>> _______________________________________________
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Well there is that. I would love the Crusaders to come to Bend, as
Brad knows. But in the meanwhile I go to their home and try to win
some of that plunder back.
Don
On Dec 17, 2008, at 7:20 PM, Rick Johnson wrote:

> Yes Don, that makes good logical sense and all but didn't the
> original Crusaders leave Europe to go wage their battles in foreign
> lands? How can one convert the heathens to their just and righteous
> cause by only fighting at home? Where's the fun in plundering only
> your neighbors?
> ;-)
>
> Rick
>
> Don Leet wrote:
>> I find all this talk about supporting races interesting and
>> important but I would like to put a little Bend, Oregon perspective
>> in it. I travel to Portland( and Astoria) for every Cross Crusade
>> race. They are the best period. I also travel to Portland for every
>> Opera. They are the best in the state (at least in my opinion). Not
>> many Portlanders come to Bend for our Opera, and I don't blame
>> them. It is the same for bike races. You need people to put on
>> races ( and Opera). It is expensive. Chris King doesn't want to
>> come to Bend to give free coffee to 100 racers. I don't blame him.
>> Brad has the people and the resources to do the best job. I drive
>> every weekend to that end. I, like most of you have to choose which
>> races I go to. I choose Cross Crusade, they are the best and worth
>> the drive.
>> Don Leet
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shane.young@comcast.net

And history tells us that, there have been Cross Crusade races outside of Portland. In fact there was one in Bend and at least one in Eugene in years past. Now the Crusade has invaded Astoria.

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Rick Johnson
> Yes Don, that makes good logical sense and all but didn't the original
> Crusaders leave Europe to go wage their battles in foreign lands? How
> can one convert the heathens to their just and righteous cause by only
> fighting at home? Where's the fun in plundering only your neighbors?
> ;-)
>
> Rick
>
> Don Leet wrote:
> > I find all this talk about supporting races interesting and important
> > but I would like to put a little Bend, Oregon perspective in it. I
> > travel to Portland( and Astoria) for every Cross Crusade race. They
> > are the best period. I also travel to Portland for every Opera. They
> > are the best in the state (at least in my opinion). Not many
> > Portlanders come to Bend for our Opera, and I don't blame them. It is
> > the same for bike races. You need people to put on races ( and Opera).
> > It is expensive. Chris King doesn't want to come to Bend to give free
> > coffee to 100 racers. I don't blame him. Brad has the people and the
> > resources to do the best job. I drive every weekend to that end. I,
> > like most of you have to choose which races I go to. I choose Cross
> > Crusade, they are the best and worth the drive.
> > Don Leet
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Rick Johnson

Yes Don, that makes good logical sense and all but didn't the original
Crusaders leave Europe to go wage their battles in foreign lands? How
can one convert the heathens to their just and righteous cause by only
fighting at home? Where's the fun in plundering only your neighbors?
;-)

Rick

Don Leet wrote:
> I find all this talk about supporting races interesting and important
> but I would like to put a little Bend, Oregon perspective in it. I
> travel to Portland( and Astoria) for every Cross Crusade race. They
> are the best period. I also travel to Portland for every Opera. They
> are the best in the state (at least in my opinion). Not many
> Portlanders come to Bend for our Opera, and I don't blame them. It is
> the same for bike races. You need people to put on races ( and Opera).
> It is expensive. Chris King doesn't want to come to Bend to give free
> coffee to 100 racers. I don't blame him. Brad has the people and the
> resources to do the best job. I drive every weekend to that end. I,
> like most of you have to choose which races I go to. I choose Cross
> Crusade, they are the best and worth the drive.
> Don Leet
> _______________________________________________
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>

Don Leet

I find all this talk about supporting races interesting and
important but I would like to put a little Bend, Oregon perspective in
it. I travel to Portland( and Astoria) for every Cross Crusade race.
They are the best period. I also travel to Portland for every Opera.
They are the best in the state (at least in my opinion). Not many
Portlanders come to Bend for our Opera, and I don't blame them. It is
the same for bike races. You need people to put on races ( and Opera).
It is expensive. Chris King doesn't want to come to Bend to give free
coffee to 100 racers. I don't blame him. Brad has the people and the
resources to do the best job. I drive every weekend to that end. I,
like most of you have to choose which races I go to. I choose Cross
Crusade, they are the best and worth the drive.
Don Leet

dacrizzow

why would the crusade people fix something that isn't broken?if you want to race in Eugene, Bend,Ashland, wherever then go race there. there's races all over this state in all disciplines all year round. if you're only racing for points you're in a small group. i race all year but most of my friends only do the crusaeds because it's centrally and seasonally located, as i'm guessing would describe alot of the crusaders.