Recommendations for Torque Wrench

Michael O'Hair

2009-01-23

Has anyone ever figured out the cost of the "seven pound bicycle" that made
the press a while back? I would be interesting to see how it's lasted, too.

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probably get pretty accurate.
>
>
> A lot of bicycle stuff due to lightweight pursuits, is way beyond
> "sensible engineering design" and into the test test test, does it work ?
> yep test some more, record for liability, Ok, sell it, realm. There is a
> law of diminishing returns, i think for a lot of bicycle stuff we're
> starting to hit it, ie imagine take 5 more lbs off a bicycle, not a big
> deal with a 25 or 20 lb bicycle, but for a 10 or 15 lb bicycle!


jmsmech-obra@yahoo.com

2009-01-23

i have one of those Harbor Freight $20 1/4 click stop wrenches. Its actually pretty high quality. made in taiwan not china.. You do have to know how to read the scale and it only clicks in one direction. Hehehe probably right as good or better then the $100 pedros...

If i was professional mechanic i would invest in a nice quality flat beam type. More durable, never needs "calibrating", and you can see what going on. Never a need to wonder about the click working right. And more accurate. Although like i've said, torque wrench accuracy is kind of a joke, I am trying to think of something to compare it too: well maybe like brushing some paint on a board and using the time-to-dry as a stopwatch. if the conditions are right, and repeatable, well then you could probably get pretty accurate.

I've done quite a few Bolt torque versus bolt tension tests. I've seen the tiniest little burr under the bolt head cause the bolt tension to drop to half! yes half, of what it should have been given a torque. i've seen a different grease, or a different coating on a bolt or nut be so slippery that the bolt was necked down, threads stripped (making slinky's..), or clamped members squished, in other words, upwards of 50% more tension then expected given a torque.

an experienced hand still trumps all. I almost never use a torque wrench, but then I don't have any carbon parts, that require it, where over-torque, can create a very bad day. whereas steel or aluminum will yield, deform, exhibit toughness given an over-stress condition, carbon cracks.

A lot of bicycle stuff due to lightweight pursuits, is way beyond "sensible engineering design" and into the test test test, does it work ? yep test some more, record for liability, Ok, sell it, realm. There is a law of diminishing returns, i think for a lot of bicycle stuff we're starting to hit it, ie imagine take 5 more lbs off a bicycle, not a big deal with a 25 or 20 lb bicycle, but for a 10 or 15 lb bicycle!

--- On Fri, 1/23/09, dennis veatch wrote:

> From: dennis veatch
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Recommendations for Torque Wrench
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 1:12 PM
> Hands down on the Giustaforza wrench. I got the Pedros one
> since it had
> just slightly a wider range and was EXTREMELY disappointed.
> I swear it was
> a harbor freight wrench with pedros stamped on it. It was
> $100. Ended up
> returning it and getting the Giustaforza. When it comes to
> torque wrenches,
> you get what you pay for. If I cause a hairline crack in
> my handlebar and
> don't know it, and it fails when I'm leaning on it
> most, I'll wish I spent
> the $150 on the Giustaforza.
>
> dennis
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dennis veatch

2009-01-23

Hands down on the Giustaforza wrench. I got the Pedros one since it had
just slightly a wider range and was EXTREMELY disappointed. I swear it was
a harbor freight wrench with pedros stamped on it. It was $100. Ended up
returning it and getting the Giustaforza. When it comes to torque wrenches,
you get what you pay for. If I cause a hairline crack in my handlebar and
don't know it, and it fails when I'm leaning on it most, I'll wish I spent
the $150 on the Giustaforza.

dennis


Russell @ Upper Echelon Fitness

2009-01-23

These are great. Go buy one from Seth!

RC

Russell Cree, DPT, CSCS
Upper Echelon Fitness, LLC
CONNECT Bike Fitting
www.upperechelonfitness.com
503.501.8121 Phone
503.345.0999 Fax

On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Seth Hosmer wrote:

> shameless self-promotion - I am a dealer for the giustaforza torque
> wrench...saw them at the handmade bike show last year and I'm a recovering
> over-tightener, so I had to get one...it is designed for bikes and has
> operating range of 2-16Nm.
>
> I have one in stock for sale, and the one that I use during bike fits is on
> the counter at my clinic here with a stem/bar so you can try it out.
>
> Cheers,
> Seth Hosmer, DC, CSCS
> Health & Performance Chiropractic
> www.HPChiro.com
> 503.227.2279
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Seth Hosmer

2009-01-23

shameless self-promotion - I am a dealer for the giustaforza torque wrench...saw them at the handmade bike show last year and I'm a recovering over-tightener, so I had to get one...it is designed for bikes and has operating range of 2-16Nm.

I have one in stock for sale, and the one that I use during bike fits is on the counter at my clinic here with a stem/bar so you can try it out.

Cheers,
Seth Hosmer, DC, CSCS
Health & Performance Chiropractic
www.HPChiro.com
503.227.2279


jmsmech-obra@yahoo.com

2009-01-23

when torquing bolts ~90% of the torque goes into resisting friction. So if friction is off a little, the bolt tension (which you are trying to get accurate) can be off a whole lot.

So torque wrench "accuracy" is a misnomer or marketing scheme. for home use get an inexpensive 1/4" click-stop torque wrench, or a beam type. The beam type are especially nice because they are dead simple, and never will "wear" out. even the most inexpensive click stop torque wrenches are still fairly accurate, usually +-5%. when i would consider a highly accurate torque wrench is if i needed dead on repeatability for a bolt pattern (ie cylinder head). But even then the consistency of the different bolt's threads and under bolt head/washer, would be much more important, and of course the user as well. for example, static vs dynamic friction, if not taken into account one could probably be off up to a factor of 2.

you can find 1/4 click-stop for $20
1/4 beam type for $40+

--- On Fri, 1/23/09, Russell @ Upper Echelon Fitness wrote:

> From: Russell @ Upper Echelon Fitness
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Recommendations for Torque Wrench
> To: "C M"
> Cc: "OBRA List"
> Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 8:35 AM
> I'd go with the Giustaforza torque wrench.
>
> Here's a review:
> http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/?pg=fullstory&id=5772
>
> Russell Cree, DPT, CSCS
> Upper Echelon Fitness, LLC
> CONNECT Bike Fitting
> www.upperechelonfitness.com
> 503.501.8121 Phone
> 503.345.0999 Fax
>
>
> 2009/1/23 C M
>
> > I'm looking for recommendations for a Torque
> Wrench that can be used on
> > Carbon parts, so it must be fairly accurate
> > at low settings ( ie: 4 NM (35.4 in-lb )) if you have
> experience (good or
> > bad) with a particular brand, please let me know
> off-list.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Chris
> >
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Brian Engelen

2009-01-23

These work well if used by an experienced mechanic, the screw threads are
clean and lubricated, the joint is seated, etc, etc.

http://www1.mscdirect.com/CGI/NNSRIT?PMCTLG=00

&PMAKA=06150916&partnerURL=http://catalogs.shoplocal.com/mscdirect/index.asp
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$135 at MSC Direct

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Subject: [OBRA Chat] Recommendations for Torque Wrench

I'm looking for recommendations for a Torque Wrench that can be used on
Carbon parts, so it must be fairly accurate

at low settings ( ie: 4 NM (35.4 in-lb )) if you have experience (good or
bad) with a particular brand, please let me know off-list.

Thanks

Chris


Russell @ Upper Echelon Fitness

2009-01-23

I'd go with the Giustaforza torque wrench.

Here's a review: http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/?pg=fullstory&id=5772

Russell Cree, DPT, CSCS
Upper Echelon Fitness, LLC
CONNECT Bike Fitting
www.upperechelonfitness.com
503.501.8121 Phone
503.345.0999 Fax

2009/1/23 C M

> I'm looking for recommendations for a Torque Wrench that can be used on
> Carbon parts, so it must be fairly accurate
> at low settings ( ie: 4 NM (35.4 in-lb )) if you have experience (good or
> bad) with a particular brand, please let me know off-list.
>
> Thanks
>
> Chris
>
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>


I'm looking for recommendations for a Torque Wrench that can be used on
Carbon parts, so it must be fairly accurate
at low settings ( ie: 4 NM (35.4 in-lb )) if you have experience (good or
bad) with a particular brand, please let me know off-list.

Thanks

Chris