hrdtduck
This, I whole heartedly agree with.the nanny nay-sayers just crack me
up.this is where political correctness starts.. with someone claiming
umbrage with another's statement..if you don't like what the man had to say
too bad.he had/has a valid point to express..we'd be better off
concentrating our energies getting our right to safe passage respected than
bicker with each other with.."ooooo don't say those bad words, they offend
my ear" (well eyes in this case)..it IS our lives that are threatened every
day and it is too bad that some supposed cyclist driving his truck just
can't keep his big mouth shut and opinions to himself..but as I have found
all too often, all too many of us and the motoring public, spend WAY, WAY
too much time..living "do as I say, not as I do"
All that said.no need to apologize, brother, protect thyself first, the hell
with the others and their big flapping gums.
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Max Kirchoff
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 10:42 AM
To: Pistis Mountain Bike Racing Team
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] OT: Dear Mr. "That says DO NOT ENTER, ASSHOLE!"
I'd like to apologize for the bad language in my original email. I'm not,
however, going to apologize for the content otherwise. From what I know
about the OBRA list, the discussion of bicycle laws and safety, as well as
the perspectives of riders and drivers fall well withing the content
description.
I want young cyclists to be in the sport. I want their parents to feel good
about them riding bikes.
I do not want a misrepresentation of riding on the road though. What
happened to me today and anything I did in that situation is a fair
representation of being a cyclist in the city from my perspective. Covering
that up would be a lie.
I'm not gonna say it's a good or bad idea to have kids subscribe to this
list. Be mindful that it is the Internet, this is 2009. It is not my
responsibility to censor for others. If you feel this is unfair, please
contact the administrator of this list and request that a terms agreement be
added to the list subscription. Or, please request that my email be removed
if you feel I am a threat to other users readership.
I am as respectful and responsible as I am willing to be. Over which spills
your responsibility to know when and where to censor the materials you read.
Max Kirchoff
http://www.maxmeansmore.com
http://www.maxisnow.com
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Pistis Mountain Bike Racing Team
wrote:
I agree. Some team work very hard bringing kids into racing. I have them and
there parents get on here so they are informed. I have already fielded 2
phone calls asking if this is a regular thing on the OBRA list. I assured
both parents that this is not normal on the OBRA list. It is not easy to get
parents to support kids in cycling. It is not a cheap sport. So Please, be
mindfull and respectfull. Thank You
Cliff McCann
Pistis Ministries
Pistis.us
541-659-4104
From: mellierat@comcast.net
To: exabsurdum@gmail.com; obra@list.obra.org
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 17:54:45 +0000
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] OT: Dear Mr. "That says DO NOT ENTER, ASSHOLE!"
Please remember there are many young readers that visit OBRA chat. Set a
good example, please.
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Max Kirchoff
> Dear Mr. White Ford F-150,
> Although you identified yourself as "a cyclist, asshole" as you yelled
from
> the window of your car this morning, I still doubt you are on the OBRA
list.
> Why? Well, because most cyclists would probably sympathize with trying to
> ride through an inch of snow, being side-swiped by every car that passed
on
> SE 12th, and feeling the need to bend the law to get down to Eastbank
> Esplanade. Did I break the law? Yes. I did. I felt like it was a fair
> breakage, however. There were no cars on the street, and I had a sidewalk
to
> hop onto if I enbded up head-to-head with someone for that half a block of
> one-way. Actually, now that I think of it, my manuever only caused one
> traffic hiccup....You, slowing traffic on Division to yell from your truck
> window. How did it go again? Oh yes:
> You - "HEY THAT SAYS DO NOOOOT ENTERRR!"
> Me - "GREAT!" (thumbs up)
> You - "I'M A CYCLISTS TOO, ASSHOLE!"
> Me - "OKAY!"
> Yea, you called me an asshole. Although, I'll forgive you. I mean, you
were
> totally looking out for my safety. Let's just call it even. I'm a
> law-breaker and you're a prick, we're a odd couple aren't we. Sounds like
a
> good premise for a new show on FX. I can hear the jingle now.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Max
>
> P.S. Before I get an inbox full of, "you need to obey the law to represent
> cyclists in a good manner," please realize I was in a dangerous situation
> just trying to get a safer route. I don't run reds and stops and hop
> sidewalks every time I ride. However, just like when I drive, I break the
> law on occasion.
>
> Max Kirchoff
> http://www.maxmeansmore.com
> http://www.maxisnow.com
--Forwarded Message Attachment--
From: exabsurdum@gmail.com
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] OT: Dear Mr. "That says DO NOT ENTER, ASSHOLE!"
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:55:41 +0000
Dear Mr. White Ford F-150,
Although you identified yourself as "a cyclist, asshole" as you yelled from
the window of your car this morning, I still doubt you are on the OBRA list.
Why? Well, because most cyclists would probably sympathize with trying to
ride through an inch of snow, being side-swiped by every car that passed on
SE 12th, and feeling the need to bend the law to get down to Eastbank
Esplanade. Did I break the law? Yes. I did. I felt like it was a fair
breakage, however. There were no cars on the street, and I had a sidewalk to
hop onto if I enbded up head-to-head with someone for that half a block of
one-way. Actually, now that I think of it, my manuever only caused one
traffic hiccup....You, slowing traffic on Division to yell from your truck
window. How did it go again? Oh yes:
You - "HEY THAT SAYS DO NOOOOT ENTERRR!"
Me - "GREAT!" (thumbs up)
You - "I'M A CYCLISTS TOO, ASSHOLE!"
Me - "OKAY!"
Yea, you called me an asshole. Although, I'll forgive you. I mean, you were
totally looking out for my safety. Let's just call it even. I'm a
law-breaker and you're a prick, we're a odd couple aren't we. Sounds like a
good premise for a new show on FX. I can hear the jingle now.
Thanks,
Max
P.S. Before I get an inbox full of, "you need to obey the law to represent
cyclists in a good manner," please realize I was in a dangerous situation
just trying to get a safer route. I don't run reds and stops and hop
sidewalks every time I ride. However, just like when I drive, I break the
law on occasion.
Max Kirchoff
http://www.maxmeansmore.com
http://www.maxisnow.com
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