Quenton Conant

Cheating or not, someones life is over.

Respect that.

Luciano bailey

I think the key point is win at all costs. This is by no means exclusive to cycling this is the culture in which we live. Go to any soccer game and the smell of over bearing parents living vicariously through there kids is the soil from which these things sprout. We too want to see only the fastest the elite of the sport rising to unknown heights and only in retrospect are left to wonder if the athletes performance was geniune. I still ponder every day about the speed of Hussain Bolt waiting for the press release that will erase that moment in sport from my memory, and turn it into another of the modern sport sagas. I don't know the answer, where do we begin at the soccer game or the gymnastic arena, and I am still unsure that the words you don't have to win Johnny just do your best will ever ring a truth.> From: mike.murray@obra.org> To: obra@list.obra.org> Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 22:26:17 -0800> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] It's not over...> > I also have to point out EPO use was implicated in past sudden deaths of> cyclists but never, to my knowledge, proven. > > Mike Murray MD> > -----Original Message-----> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On> Behalf Of Jess Mace> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 15:30 PM> To: Judy.Richardson.DMS01@Alum.Dartmouth.ORG; obra@list.obra.org> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] It's not over...> > > Seems like you're jumping to conclusions...> Could have been a heart attack too...or any number of other causes. You're> also painting all professional cycling teams with a very broad brush.....> Just sayin'....> > > Jess Mace, MPH, CCRP> Clinical Outcomes Research - Oregon Sinus Center> Department of Otolaryngology - Head and Neck Surgery> Oregon Health & Science University> 503.494.5886> > -----Original Message-----> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On> Behalf Of Judy.Richardson.DMS01@Alum.Dartmouth.ORG> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 1:44 PM> To: obra@list.obra.org> Subject: [OBRA Chat] It's not over...> > If you haven't heard already, 21 year old Belgian cyclist Frederiek Nolf> died in > his sleep in the midst of the T of Qatar. Cause of death has not been > determined, however, the conditions echo eerily of deaths by EPO circa 2003.> > If proven dope is to blame for this untimely death, it will underscore a> duty > we have as cyclists and fans to not "assume" that the trend towards > transparency in testing has "fixed the problem". It's time again to act.> > American cycling team physicians have agreed to be accountable for the > safety and health of our riders. We're meeting in one week to discuss it> more. > But it's time again, now, for all of us to band together. We, the fans and > CONSUMERS, need to hold team management responsible, and the team > physician accountable. (He should be fired and stripped of any license he > holds, and black-balled from the profession. I don't care if he "didn't> know" > they guy was doping - Team docs know. They know when their guys sleep, > when they eat and when and how much they piss.) And if they don't they > should.> > We cheer and buy the stuff from the sponsors so they want to support these > teams. Patronizing these companies that tacitly condone doping by rewarding > riders who win at all costs, then blame them when their crimes become public> > is unconscionable. Refusing to hold management responsible reverts sport to > the days of angry mobs screaming for blood at the gladiatorial games. We > have a duty to boycott the products and services of companies who sponsor > teams who are not transparent with their testing practices, or management > that does not take responsibility for the care and conditions of their> riders. > Hit them where it hurts, or we will keep reading about riders like Fred.> > Judy Richardson, MD> Am. Assoc. Cycling Team Doctors> and Sorella Forte _______________________________________________> OBRA mailing list> obra@list.obra.org> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org> > > _______________________________________________> OBRA mailing list> obra@list.obra.org> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org> > _______________________________________________> OBRA mailing list> obra@list.obra.org> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
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Mike Murray

I also have to point out EPO use was implicated in past sudden deaths of
cyclists but never, to my knowledge, proven.

Mike Murray MD

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Jess Mace
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 15:30 PM
To: Judy.Richardson.DMS01@Alum.Dartmouth.ORG; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] It's not over...

Seems like you're jumping to conclusions...
Could have been a heart attack too...or any number of other causes. You're
also painting all professional cycling teams with a very broad brush.....
Just sayin'....

Jess Mace, MPH, CCRP
Clinical Outcomes Research - Oregon Sinus Center
Department of Otolaryngology - Head and Neck Surgery
Oregon Health & Science University
503.494.5886

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Judy.Richardson.DMS01@Alum.Dartmouth.ORG
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 1:44 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] It's not over...

If you haven't heard already, 21 year old Belgian cyclist Frederiek Nolf
died in
his sleep in the midst of the T of Qatar. Cause of death has not been
determined, however, the conditions echo eerily of deaths by EPO circa 2003.

If proven dope is to blame for this untimely death, it will underscore a
duty
we have as cyclists and fans to not "assume" that the trend towards
transparency in testing has "fixed the problem". It's time again to act.

American cycling team physicians have agreed to be accountable for the
safety and health of our riders. We're meeting in one week to discuss it
more.
But it's time again, now, for all of us to band together. We, the fans and
CONSUMERS, need to hold team management responsible, and the team
physician accountable. (He should be fired and stripped of any license he
holds, and black-balled from the profession. I don't care if he "didn't
know"
they guy was doping - Team docs know. They know when their guys sleep,
when they eat and when and how much they piss.) And if they don't they
should.

We cheer and buy the stuff from the sponsors so they want to support these
teams. Patronizing these companies that tacitly condone doping by rewarding
riders who win at all costs, then blame them when their crimes become public

is unconscionable. Refusing to hold management responsible reverts sport to
the days of angry mobs screaming for blood at the gladiatorial games. We
have a duty to boycott the products and services of companies who sponsor
teams who are not transparent with their testing practices, or management
that does not take responsibility for the care and conditions of their
riders.
Hit them where it hurts, or we will keep reading about riders like Fred.

Judy Richardson, MD
Am. Assoc. Cycling Team Doctors
and Sorella Forte _______________________________________________
OBRA mailing list
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Erik Voldengen

Maybe she's German?

On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 8:49 AM, Ken Finch wrote:
> Sorry Judy, but unless you're privy to more information than seems to be be available on the usual cycling news sites, you're jumping the gun to the point that it borders on being highly inappropriate. If you do have other information, please share so as we can put your viewpoints in context. Otherwise...hold your tongue.
>

Ken Finch

Sorry Judy, but unless you're privy to more information than seems to be be available on the usual cycling news sites, you're jumping the gun to the point that it borders on being highly inappropriate. If you do have other information, please share so as we can put your viewpoints in context. Otherwise...hold your tongue.

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Subject It's not over...Date 02/05/2009 01:44 PMFrom Judy Richardson DMS01
If you haven't heard already, 21 year old Belgian cyclist Frederiek Nolf died in his sleep in the midst of the T of Qatar. Cause of death has not been determined, however, the conditions echo eerily of deaths by EPO circa 2003.
If proven dope is to blame for this untimely death, it will underscore a duty we have as cyclists and fans to not "assume" that the trend towards transparency in testing has "fixed the problem". It's time again to act.

American cycling team physicians have agreed to be accountable for the safety and health of our riders. We're meeting in one week to discuss it more. But it's time again, now, for all of us to band together. We, the fans and
CONSUMERS, need to hold team management responsible, and the team physician accountable. (He should he fired and stripped of any license he holds, and black-balled from the profession. I don't care if he "didn't know" they guy was doping - Team docs know. They know when their guys sleep,
when they eat and when and how much they piss.) And if they don't they should.

We cheer and buy the stuff from the sponsors so they want to support these teams. Patronizing these companies that tacitly condone doping by rewarding riders who win at all costs, then blame them when their crimes become public is unconscionable. Refusing to hold management responsible reverts sport to the days of angry mobs screaming for blood at the gladiatorial games. We have a duty to boycott the products and services of companies who sponsor
teams who are not transparent with their testing practices, or management that does not take responsibility for the care and conditions of their riders. Hit them where it hurts, or we will keep reading about riders like Fred.

Judy Richardson, MD
Am. Assoc. Cycling Team Doctors
and Sorella Forte

Jess Mace

Seems like you're jumping to conclusions...
Could have been a heart attack too...or any number of other causes.
You're also painting all professional cycling teams with a very broad brush.....
Just sayin'....

Jess Mace, MPH, CCRP
Clinical Outcomes Research - Oregon Sinus Center
Department of Otolaryngology - Head and Neck Surgery
Oregon Health & Science University
503.494.5886

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Judy.Richardson.DMS01@Alum.Dartmouth.ORG
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 1:44 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] It's not over...

If you haven't heard already, 21 year old Belgian cyclist Frederiek Nolf died in
his sleep in the midst of the T of Qatar. Cause of death has not been
determined, however, the conditions echo eerily of deaths by EPO circa 2003.
If proven dope is to blame for this untimely death, it will underscore a duty
we have as cyclists and fans to not "assume" that the trend towards
transparency in testing has "fixed the problem". It's time again to act.

American cycling team physicians have agreed to be accountable for the
safety and health of our riders. We're meeting in one week to discuss it more.
But it's time again, now, for all of us to band together. We, the fans and
CONSUMERS, need to hold team management responsible, and the team
physician accountable. (He should be fired and stripped of any license he
holds, and black-balled from the profession. I don't care if he "didn't know"
they guy was doping - Team docs know. They know when their guys sleep,
when they eat and when and how much they piss.) And if they don't they
should.

We cheer and buy the stuff from the sponsors so they want to support these
teams. Patronizing these companies that tacitly condone doping by rewarding
riders who win at all costs, then blame them when their crimes become public
is unconscionable. Refusing to hold management responsible reverts sport to
the days of angry mobs screaming for blood at the gladiatorial games. We
have a duty to boycott the products and services of companies who sponsor
teams who are not transparent with their testing practices, or management
that does not take responsibility for the care and conditions of their riders.
Hit them where it hurts, or we will keep reading about riders like Fred.

Judy Richardson, MD
Am. Assoc. Cycling Team Doctors
and Sorella Forte
_______________________________________________
OBRA mailing list
obra@list.obra.org
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Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org

Judy Richardson DMS01

If you haven't heard already, 21 year old Belgian cyclist Frederiek Nolf died in
his sleep in the midst of the T of Qatar. Cause of death has not been
determined, however, the conditions echo eerily of deaths by EPO circa 2003.
If proven dope is to blame for this untimely death, it will underscore a duty
we have as cyclists and fans to not "assume" that the trend towards
transparency in testing has "fixed the problem". It's time again to act.

American cycling team physicians have agreed to be accountable for the
safety and health of our riders. We're meeting in one week to discuss it more.
But it's time again, now, for all of us to band together. We, the fans and
CONSUMERS, need to hold team management responsible, and the team
physician accountable. (He should be fired and stripped of any license he
holds, and black-balled from the profession. I don't care if he "didn't know"
they guy was doping - Team docs know. They know when their guys sleep,
when they eat and when and how much they piss.) And if they don't they
should.

We cheer and buy the stuff from the sponsors so they want to support these
teams. Patronizing these companies that tacitly condone doping by rewarding
riders who win at all costs, then blame them when their crimes become public
is unconscionable. Refusing to hold management responsible reverts sport to
the days of angry mobs screaming for blood at the gladiatorial games. We
have a duty to boycott the products and services of companies who sponsor
teams who are not transparent with their testing practices, or management
that does not take responsibility for the care and conditions of their riders.
Hit them where it hurts, or we will keep reading about riders like Fred.

Judy Richardson, MD
Am. Assoc. Cycling Team Doctors
and Sorella Forte