Subject: Re: It's not over...

Trevor Spahr

2009-02-07

Really? Doping or not, a man died. Show some respect.

2009/2/6 Rick Johnson

> True, everyone is entitled to their opinion. But ones credibility is
> directly tied to the accuracy of the facts underlying their opinion. For
> instance, it is a medical fact the sometimes young athletes die from
> congenital heart defects. Wouldn't it be embarrassing if after all this
> outrage it turn out that this is the case here?
>
> Therefore I will withhold my own opinion on this subject until more facts
> become available.
>
> Rick
>
> jamin aasum wrote:
>
> Ken,
>
>
>
> Last time I checked everyone on the chat line was entitled to expressing
> their opinion. "Facts" are highly subjective in the cycling world. Judy's
> comments are strongly felt sentiments from a professional. If we ever want
> the cycling world to change we need to stand up against the hypocrisy.
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jmsmech-obra@yahoo.com

2009-02-06

that wasn't humor.   the point is at the very least, if these damn team "whomevers" are giving these young men drugs, at least don't kill them / let them die.    Nothing funny about it. 

--- On Fri, 2/6/09, Ron and Dorothy Strasser wrote:

From: Ron and Dorothy Strasser
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Subject: Re: It's not over...
To: jmsmech-obra@yahoo.com, obra@list.obra.org
Date: Friday, February 6, 2009, 7:25 PM



I have stuck my foot in mouth before, but a response like this when someone
has lost a son, brother, sister or friend (I know you are a world and thousands
of miles away from this person and his family), I do not think is
appropriate.  This  is a serious incident.  I am not
attacking you, but hope next time you think before posting.  Is that what
you want posted with regard to your death?  Sorry OBRA, but I just had to
say something.  I do think (unless the original post person had some proof
of doping) the original post made some assumptions so I do understand why
statements were made.   But it is still a person that died, not
something to be made fun.  I enjoy humor, but some time for healing
first.  Just my heart felt feeling.
ron strasser

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my opinion is that they should at least give the poor
suckers some decent alarm clocks (plural on purpose) so they can wake up
at 2 am and do some jumping jacks.   

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Rick Johnson
Subject:
Re: [OBRA Chat] Subject: Re: It's not over...
To: "jamin aasum"

Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Date:
Friday, February 6, 2009, 1:32 PM

True, everyone is entitled to their opinion. But
ones credibility is directly tied to the accuracy of the facts
underlying their opinion. For instance, it is a medical fact the
sometimes young athletes die from congenital heart defects. Wouldn't
it be embarrassing if after all this outrage it turn out that this is
the case here?

Therefore I will withhold my own opinion on
this subject until more facts become available.

Rick

jamin aasum wrote:
Ken,

 
Last
time I checked everyone on the chat line was entitled to expressing
their opinion. "Facts" are highly subjective in the cycling world.
Judy's comments are strongly felt sentiments from a professional. If
we ever want the cycling world to change we need to stand up against
the hypocrisy.

 
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Ron and Dorothy Strasser

2009-02-06

I have stuck my foot in mouth before, but a response like this when someone has lost a son, brother, sister or friend (I know you are a world and thousands of miles away from this person and his family), I do not think is appropriate. This is a serious incident. I am not attacking you, but hope next time you think before posting. Is that what you want posted with regard to your death? Sorry OBRA, but I just had to say something. I do think (unless the original post person had some proof of doping) the original post made some assumptions so I do understand why statements were made. But it is still a person that died, not something to be made fun. I enjoy humor, but some time for healing first. Just my heart felt feeling.
ron strasser
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Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Subject: Re: It's not over...

my opinion is that they should at least give the poor suckers some decent alarm clocks (plural on purpose) so they can wake up at 2 am and do some jumping jacks.

--- On Fri, 2/6/09, Rick Johnson wrote:

From: Rick Johnson
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Subject: Re: It's not over...
To: "jamin aasum"
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Date: Friday, February 6, 2009, 1:32 PM

True, everyone is entitled to their opinion. But ones credibility is directly tied to the accuracy of the facts underlying their opinion. For instance, it is a medical fact the sometimes young athletes die from congenital heart defects. Wouldn't it be embarrassing if after all this outrage it turn out that this is the case here?

Therefore I will withhold my own opinion on this subject until more facts become available.

Rick

jamin aasum wrote:
Ken,

Last time I checked everyone on the chat line was entitled to expressing their opinion. "Facts" are highly subjective in the cycling world. Judy's comments are strongly felt sentiments from a professional. If we ever want the cycling world to change we need to stand up against the hypocrisy.

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jmsmech-obra@yahoo.com

2009-02-06

my opinion is that they should at least give the poor suckers some decent alarm clocks (plural on purpose) so they can wake up at 2 am and do some jumping jacks.   

--- On Fri, 2/6/09, Rick Johnson wrote:

From: Rick Johnson
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Subject: Re: It's not over...
To: "jamin aasum"
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Date: Friday, February 6, 2009, 1:32 PM



True, everyone is entitled to their opinion. But ones credibility is
directly tied to the accuracy of the facts underlying their opinion.
For instance, it is a medical fact the sometimes young athletes die
from congenital heart defects. Wouldn't it be embarrassing if after all
this outrage it turn out that this is the case here?

Therefore I will withhold my own opinion on this subject until more
facts become available.

Rick

jamin aasum wrote:

Ken,

 
Last
time I checked everyone on the chat line was entitled to expressing
their opinion. "Facts" are highly subjective in the cycling world.
Judy's comments are strongly felt sentiments from a professional. If we
ever want the cycling world to change we need to stand up against the
hypocrisy.
 

 



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Rick Johnson

2009-02-06


True, everyone is entitled to their opinion. But ones credibility is
directly tied to the accuracy of the facts underlying their opinion.
For instance, it is a medical fact the sometimes young athletes die
from congenital heart defects. Wouldn't it be embarrassing if after all
this outrage it turn out that this is the case here?



Therefore I will withhold my own opinion on this subject until more
facts become available.



Rick



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Ken,


 


Last
time I checked everyone on the chat line was entitled to expressing
their opinion. "Facts" are highly subjective in the cycling world.
Judy's comments are strongly felt sentiments from a professional. If we
ever want the cycling world to change we need to stand up against the
hypocrisy.


 

 





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jamin aasum

2009-02-06

Ken,

Last time I checked everyone on the chat line was entitled to expressing their opinion. "Facts" are highly subjective in the cycling world. Judy's comments are strongly felt sentiments from a professional. If we ever want the cycling world to change we need to stand up against the hypocrisy.