J Bravard
I don't know about the legalities of idling, but the impacts to the engine
and air quality are, as stated earlier, not good.
Canada, which we all know is anywhere from colder to a hell of a lot colder
than Portland, has addressed this issue:
http://oee.nrcan.gc.ca/transportation/personal/idling.cfm?attr=8
Also, see these myths (my favorite being that it wastes gasoline to turn off
and restart your engine. This may have been true when we had carburetors on
our engines, but it's been many years since these were left behind in favor
of fuel injection.)
http://www.halifax.ca/environment/MythsandFacts.html
John
2009/2/25 Candi Murray
> They did a piece in this on Cartalk. The boys said that warming up a car
> more then 1 minute was a waste. And that 1 minute should be in areas of
> severe cold. Not around here.
> Candi
>
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> *From:* obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] *On
> Behalf Of *john
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 25, 2009 2:48 PM
> *To:* OBRA
> *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] OT: legal advice
>
> another moronic misconception people have about their cars. Cars warm up
> best under a bit of load. Idling to warm a car is about the dumbest thing
> you can do. Bad on the car, bad on the environment (catalytic converter
> isn't hot), Bad noise, Bad on the wallet.
> Just driving easy the first couple miles is much better idea. Now Yeah for
> the like the first second, you don't want to max rev, but by like second
> two, oil is pumping into the bearings.
> john
> http://bikeeng.blogspot.com/
>
> 2009/2/25 Mike Rosenfeld
>
>> The all mighty google produced this:
>>
>> https://www.carinsurance.com/kb/content44455.aspx
>>
>> not sure what the law is in oregon but I think there is a fine....sounds
>> like a good research project that I don't have time to do. Good luck.
>>
>> 2009/2/25 scott hill
>>
>> just go out and turn his car off and then misplace the keys. i am sure
>>> there is a noise ordanance in place to guard against this. i would just call
>>> the cops and tell them what is going on.
>>>
>>> scott
>>>
>>> --- On *Wed, 2/25/09, David Rosen * wrote:
>>>
>>> From: David Rosen
>>> Subject: [OBRA Chat] OT: legal advice
>>> To: "OBRA"
>>> Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 2:26 PM
>>>
>>>
>>> Totally off topic, but for the lawyers/ anyone who might know something in
>>> regards to this subject.
>>>
>>> Short story: neighbor's daughter's boyfriend has his subaru wrx turn on
>>> every morning at 5:10am and he let's it idle for 20 minutes (he's not in
>>> the car during this). He says this is to warm up his after market turbo charger.
>>> He also has an after market tail pipe on it as well.
>>>
>>> He wakes up myself and 5 other households every day with this. He has been
>>> asked to move his car somewhere else but has refused. He is not the homeowner
>>> nor does he appear to be a legal resident (unconfirmed).
>>>
>>> My neighbors and I have written a letter to the homeowner but have not heard
>>> back yet.
>>>
>>> Please reply off list and thank you for the help.
>>> Dave
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