Robert Anderson

The government could never enforce this ridiculous requirement to license
bicycles. I will not register my bikes if it passes. They can kiss my @$$.
Hahahahaha!!!!!!

2009/3/10 Ellen Michaelson

> Not mention that many of us "own" more than one bike--we would then have to
> "register" each bike? Not very likely. Cumbersome, not enforceable, and
> toward what end? If the goal(part of it) is to decrease bike theft, then
> perhaps they should give the thieves a hefty fine instead of fining the
> riders.
> Ellen
>
> Jerald M Powell wrote:
>
>> Jonathan... Thanks for bringing up fiscal impact. If motorvehicle
>> licensing is an adequate model, it's unlikely that the revenue gained from
>> the proposed fee would more than cover the cost of administering
>> registration. Since there seem to be no particular benefits to be gained,
>> I'd then guess that this proposal will earn a early death. That said, it
>> does bring up an interesting question... like what's a bike? and how do you
>> define bike ownership? and what about "use" or "riding". I myself would
>> happily fire anyone representing me who wanted to open this can of worms.
>> An who is the yahoo from Happy valley? I can understand the cranky old
>> trooper from Gold Beach... even the reactionary from Medford (in spite of
>> its being a community that benefits from a healthy local bike industry)...
>> but "Happy" Valley? What's that about? Doesn't anyone there vote?
>>
>> Jerry
>>
>> On Mar 8, 2009, at 6:53 PM, Jonathan Maus wrote:
>>
>> howdy,
>>> If anyone is interested in more details/analysis/discussion of this
>>> proposed bill, check out BikePortland.
>>>
>>> we broke the news on Friday and then I published a f/u story based on a
>>> conversation I had with Rep. Wayne Krieger. There have been over 250
>>> comments on the two stories combined... and stories in The Oregonian, on
>>> KATU, and on KGW so far.
>>>
>>> here's my initial story - http://tinyurl.com/dhtevq
>>>
>>> and here's the conversation with Krieger - http://tinyurl.com/bcjdqh
>>>
>>> oh, and if you're wondering.. I think it's highly unlikely to actually
>>> pass... for a lot of reasons you can read in the comments on bikeportland.
>>>
>>> cheers.
>>>
>>> --Jonathan
>>> _____________________
>>> Jonathan Maus Publisher/Editor-in-chief
>>> BikePortland.org
>>>
>>> http://www.BikePortland.org
>>> News Tipline/Cell: (503) 706-8804
>>> jonathan@bikeportland.org
>>> http://twitter.com/bikeportland
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 8, 2009, at 6:40 PM, Melissa Boyd wrote:
>>>
>>> I personally believe we should tax luxuries and behaviors we want to
>>>> discourage, and offer tax breaks to encourage behavior that benefits our
>>>> society.
>>>> Those of us with thousand-dollar bikes can afford to pay a "luxury" tax
>>>> for the privelage of riding. However, I really believe we are in the
>>>> minority. Most bikes are owned by kids, students who ride them to school,
>>>> responsible adults who are saving gas or exercising for their health, and
>>>> low-income people who can't afford cars. A tax of this sort is going to hurt
>>>> the people who need help the most.
>>>> Please take this opportunity to write to your state legislators, and
>>>> let them know how you feel about it. Talking to each other at OBRA is
>>>> interesting, but not terribly productive.
>>>> Here is a link to find the email addresses of your Oregon legislators:
>>>> http://www.leg.state.or.us/findlegsltr/
>>>> Here's a list of all the Oregon representatives <
>>>> http://www.leg.state.or.us/servlet/XSLT?URL=members.xml&xslURL=members.xsl&member-type=representative
>>>> >:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.leg.state.or.us/servlet/XSLT?URL=members.xml&xslURL=members.xsl&member-type=representative<
>>>> http://www.leg.state.or.us/servlet/XSLT?URL=members.xml&xslURL=members.xsl&member-type=representative
>>>> >
>>>> - Melissa
>>>>
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Ellen Michaelson

Not mention that many of us "own" more than one bike--we would then have
to "register" each bike? Not very likely. Cumbersome, not enforceable,
and toward what end? If the goal(part of it) is to decrease bike theft,
then perhaps they should give the thieves a hefty fine instead of fining
the riders.

Ellen

Jerald M Powell wrote:
> Jonathan... Thanks for bringing up fiscal impact. If motorvehicle
> licensing is an adequate model, it's unlikely that the revenue gained
> from the proposed fee would more than cover the cost of administering
> registration. Since there seem to be no particular benefits to be
> gained, I'd then guess that this proposal will earn a early death.
> That said, it does bring up an interesting question... like what's a
> bike? and how do you define bike ownership? and what about "use" or
> "riding". I myself would happily fire anyone representing me who
> wanted to open this can of worms. An who is the yahoo from Happy
> valley? I can understand the cranky old trooper from Gold Beach...
> even the reactionary from Medford (in spite of its being a community
> that benefits from a healthy local bike industry)... but "Happy"
> Valley? What's that about? Doesn't anyone there vote?
>
> Jerry
>
> On Mar 8, 2009, at 6:53 PM, Jonathan Maus wrote:
>
>> howdy,
>>
>> If anyone is interested in more details/analysis/discussion of this
>> proposed bill, check out BikePortland.
>>
>> we broke the news on Friday and then I published a f/u story based on
>> a conversation I had with Rep. Wayne Krieger. There have been over
>> 250 comments on the two stories combined... and stories in The
>> Oregonian, on KATU, and on KGW so far.
>>
>> here's my initial story - http://tinyurl.com/dhtevq
>>
>> and here's the conversation with Krieger - http://tinyurl.com/bcjdqh
>>
>> oh, and if you're wondering.. I think it's highly unlikely to
>> actually pass... for a lot of reasons you can read in the comments on
>> bikeportland.
>>
>> cheers.
>>
>> --Jonathan
>> _____________________
>> Jonathan Maus
>> Publisher/Editor-in-chief
>> BikePortland.org
>>
>> http://www.BikePortland.org
>> News Tipline/Cell: (503) 706-8804
>> jonathan@bikeportland.org
>> http://twitter.com/bikeportland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 8, 2009, at 6:40 PM, Melissa Boyd wrote:
>>
>>> I personally believe we should tax luxuries and behaviors we want to
>>> discourage, and offer tax breaks to encourage behavior that benefits
>>> our society.
>>>
>>> Those of us with thousand-dollar bikes can afford to pay a "luxury"
>>> tax for the privelage of riding. However, I really believe we are in
>>> the minority. Most bikes are owned by kids, students who ride them
>>> to school, responsible adults who are saving gas or exercising for
>>> their health, and low-income people who can't afford cars. A tax of
>>> this sort is going to hurt the people who need help the most.
>>>
>>> Please take this opportunity to write to your state legislators, and
>>> let them know how you feel about it. Talking to each other at OBRA
>>> is interesting, but not terribly productive.
>>>
>>> Here is a link to find the email addresses of your Oregon
>>> legislators: http://www.leg.state.or.us/findlegsltr/
>>> Here's a list of all the Oregon representatives
>>> :
>>> http://www.leg.state.or.us/servlet/XSLT?URL=members.xml&xslURL=members.xsl&member-type=representative
>>>
>>>
>>> - Melissa
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> OBRA mailing list
>>> obra@list.obra.org
>>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>>
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Jerald M Powell

Jonathan... Thanks for bringing up fiscal impact. If motorvehicle
licensing is an adequate model, it's unlikely that the revenue gained
from the proposed fee would more than cover the cost of administering
registration. Since there seem to be no particular benefits to be
gained, I'd then guess that this proposal will earn a early death.
That said, it does bring up an interesting question... like what's a
bike? and how do you define bike ownership? and what about "use" or
"riding". I myself would happily fire anyone representing me who
wanted to open this can of worms. An who is the yahoo from Happy
valley? I can understand the cranky old trooper from Gold Beach...
even the reactionary from Medford (in spite of its being a community
that benefits from a healthy local bike industry)... but "Happy"
Valley? What's that about? Doesn't anyone there vote?

Jerry

On Mar 8, 2009, at 6:53 PM, Jonathan Maus wrote:

> howdy,
>
> If anyone is interested in more details/analysis/discussion of this
> proposed bill, check out BikePortland.
>
> we broke the news on Friday and then I published a f/u story based
> on a conversation I had with Rep. Wayne Krieger. There have been
> over 250 comments on the two stories combined... and stories in The
> Oregonian, on KATU, and on KGW so far.
>
> here's my initial story - http://tinyurl.com/dhtevq
>
> and here's the conversation with Krieger - http://tinyurl.com/bcjdqh
>
> oh, and if you're wondering.. I think it's highly unlikely to
> actually pass... for a lot of reasons you can read in the comments
> on bikeportland.
>
> cheers.
>
> --Jonathan
> _____________________
> Jonathan Maus
> Publisher/Editor-in-chief
> BikePortland.org
>
> http://www.BikePortland.org
> News Tipline/Cell: (503) 706-8804
> jonathan@bikeportland.org
> http://twitter.com/bikeportland
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 8, 2009, at 6:40 PM, Melissa Boyd wrote:
>
>> I personally believe we should tax luxuries and behaviors we want
>> to discourage, and offer tax breaks to encourage behavior that
>> benefits our society.
>>
>> Those of us with thousand-dollar bikes can afford to pay a "luxury"
>> tax for the privelage of riding. However, I really believe we are
>> in the minority. Most bikes are owned by kids, students who ride
>> them to school, responsible adults who are saving gas or exercising
>> for their health, and low-income people who can't afford cars. A
>> tax of this sort is going to hurt the people who need help the most.
>>
>> Please take this opportunity to write to your state legislators,
>> and let them know how you feel about it. Talking to each other at
>> OBRA is interesting, but not terribly productive.
>>
>> Here is a link to find the email addresses of your Oregon
>> legislators: http://www.leg.state.or.us/findlegsltr/
>> Here's a list of all the Oregon representatives:
>> http://www.leg.state.or.us/servlet/XSLT?URL=members.xml&xslURL=members.xsl&member-type=representative
>>
>> - Melissa
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> OBRA mailing list
>> obra@list.obra.org
>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>
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Ron and Dorothy Strasser

Perfect way to let our unified voice heard by lawmakers. BTA is a strong, well respected group in Salem. More members increases their/our strength.
ron
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark J. Ginsberg
To: OBRA
Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 11:50 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Licensing our bikes?

For those who have strong opinions about this issue, instead of filling a racer chat list with thoughts on bike advocacy, how about joining the state level group who protects cyclists rights to the road, the Bicycle Transportation Alliance?

TaDa: http://bta4bikes.org/support/join.php

Mark

Mark J. Ginsberg
Berkshire Ginsberg, LLC
Attorneys At Law
1216 SE Belmont St.
Portland, OR 97214
(503) 542-3000
Fax (503) 233-6874
markjginsberg@yahoo.com
www.bikesafetylaw.com

--- On Sun, 3/8/09, Jonathan Maus wrote:

From: Jonathan Maus
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Licensing our bikes?
To: "Melissa Boyd"
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 6:53 PM

howdy,

If anyone is interested in more details/analysis/discussion of this proposed bill, check out BikePortland.

we broke the news on Friday and then I published a f/u story based on a conversation I had with Rep. Wayne Krieger. There have been over 250 comments on the two stories combined... and stories in The Oregonian, on KATU, and on KGW so far.

here's my initial story - http://tinyurl.com/dhtevq

and here's the conversation with Krieger - http://tinyurl.com/bcjdqh

oh, and if you're wondering.. I think it's highly unlikely to actually pass... for a lot of reasons you can read in the comments on bikeportland.

cheers.

--Jonathan
_____________________
Jonathan Maus
Publisher/Editor-in-chief
BikePortland.org

http://www.BikePortland.org
News Tipline/Cell: (503) 706-8804
jonathan@bikeportland.org
http://twitter.com/bikeportland

On Mar 8, 2009, at 6:40 PM, Melissa Boyd wrote:

I personally believe we should tax luxuries and behaviors we want to discourage, and offer tax breaks to encourage behavior that benefits our society.

Those of us with thousand-dollar bikes can afford to pay a "luxury" tax for the privelage of riding. However, I really believe we are in the minority. Most bikes are owned by kids, students who ride them to school, responsible adults who are saving gas or exercising for their health, and low-income people who can't afford cars. A tax of this sort is going to hurt the people who need help the most.

Please take this opportunity to write to your state legislators, and let them know how you feel about it. Talking to each other at OBRA is interesting, but not terribly productive.

Here is a link to find the email addresses of your Oregon legislators: http://www.leg.state.or.us/findlegsltr/
Here's a list of all the Oregon representatives:
http://www.leg.state.or.us/servlet/XSLT?URL=members.xml&xslURL=members.xsl&member-type=representative

- Melissa

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Long, Steve

Like I said, bikes belong in bike lanes ONLY and NOT on the road.
Be wary, very, very wary folks.

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of joe cipale
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 10:17 AM
To: Brady Brady
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Licensing our bikes?

The proposed legislation is being sponsored by a former(sic) Stae
Trooper who has, in his previous statements, (implies he) thinks very
little (with regard to bicycles) and is not very open to changing his
opinion (he is a republican, after all).

I find it funny that the party that bemoans govt intrusion into our
lives is just as guilty if not more so than the other side of the aisle
that they accuse of wanting to enforce a so-called nanny-state.

Both parties of guilty of this. Period.

On Mon, 2009-03-09 at 12:45 -0400, Brady Brady wrote:
> I MIGHT actually consider not breaking such laws, should they pass, if
there were a "license" system or some sort. i.e., registration covers as
many bikes as needed, but each $x (currently x=54) gets you a license,
which is what this bozo is really after, anyway. You carry the license
(i.d. card, brain implant / NSA tracking chip, whatever) while riding.
It lists the bikes registered, etc.
>
> This way you would only pay for the # of bikes that would potentially
be in use at once, instead of being penalized just because you have more
than one bike.
>
> This would perhaps migrate the proposed bill from the status of "Worst
idea ever" to, say, merely "a really, really horrible, Orwellian idea".
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
> On Behalf Of Long, Steve
> Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 8:14 AM
> To: Don Mathews; obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Licensing our bikes?
>
> Trust? Trust this,
> Forcing registration fees for bike to help pay for bike lane
> maintenance could possibly lead to forcing bikes to ONLY ride in bike
> lanes.
> Let us not miss the point of back doors. Opps, wait, politicians never

> do that do they...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
> On Behalf Of Don Mathews
> Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 9:10 PM
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Licensing our bikes?
>
> Does anyone here in OBRAland really think we can trust the Oregon
> legislature with anymore of our money? Not to mention what this new
> fee/paper work will do to getting NEW people involved in this sport?
>
> I propose that OBRA and all other bicycle associations come out and
> FIGHT THIS PROPOSAL ALL WE CAN!!! I am going to bury my state rep in
> emails! Might be time to start a Facebook Group!
>
> Oregon is one of the most HEAVILY taxed states in the union when you
> include user fees! Don't they have enough?
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Don Mathews
> www.myspace.com/dem76pdx
>
> www.flickr.com/photos/dem76pdx/sets
>
>
>
>
>
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joe cipale

The proposed legislation is being sponsored by a former(sic) Stae
Trooper who has, in his previous statements, (implies he) thinks very
little (with regard to bicycles) and is not very open to changing his
opinion (he is a republican, after all).

I find it funny that the party that bemoans govt intrusion into our
lives is just as guilty if not more so than the other side of the aisle
that they accuse of wanting to enforce a so-called nanny-state.

Both parties of guilty of this. Period.

On Mon, 2009-03-09 at 12:45 -0400, Brady Brady wrote:
> I MIGHT actually consider not breaking such laws, should they pass, if there were a "license" system or some sort. i.e., registration covers as many bikes as needed, but each $x (currently x=54) gets you a license, which is what this bozo is really after, anyway. You carry the license (i.d. card, brain implant / NSA tracking chip, whatever) while riding. It lists the bikes registered, etc.
>
> This way you would only pay for the # of bikes that would potentially be in use at once, instead of being penalized just because you have more than one bike.
>
> This would perhaps migrate the proposed bill from the status of "Worst idea ever" to, say, merely "a really, really horrible, Orwellian idea".
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Long, Steve
> Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 8:14 AM
> To: Don Mathews; obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Licensing our bikes?
>
> Trust? Trust this,
> Forcing registration fees for bike to help pay for bike lane
> maintenance could possibly lead to forcing bikes to ONLY ride in bike
> lanes.
> Let us not miss the point of back doors. Opps, wait, politicians never
> do that do they...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of Don Mathews
> Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 9:10 PM
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Licensing our bikes?
>
> Does anyone here in OBRAland really think we can trust the Oregon
> legislature with anymore of our money? Not to mention what this new
> fee/paper work will do to getting NEW people involved in this sport?
>
> I propose that OBRA and all other bicycle associations come out and
> FIGHT THIS PROPOSAL ALL WE CAN!!! I am going to bury my state rep in
> emails! Might be time to start a Facebook Group!
>
> Oregon is one of the most HEAVILY taxed states in the union when you
> include user fees! Don't they have enough?
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Don Mathews
> www.myspace.com/dem76pdx
>
> www.flickr.com/photos/dem76pdx/sets
>
>
>
>
>
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Luciano bailey

We two wheeled folks already fund roads and many other services designed for cars with bikes thrown in as a politically correct foot note, if anything I evpect reperations for having ridden 300,000 miles. Just send my a green check every month.

Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 18:48:43 -0700
From: raggy23@yahoo.com
To: melissafroggie@gmail.com; RCJohnson1@attglobal.net
CC: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Licensing our bikes?

Interesting view...I didn't think of it that way.

I saw it more as a way to keep track of your bike in case it is taken and pay for what we use.

I really don't think $10 is going to break a student or the poor.

Take Care
Randy Dreiling

From: Melissa Boyd
To: RCJohnson1@attglobal.net
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2009 6:40:37 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Licensing our bikes?

I personally believe we should tax luxuries and behaviors we want to discourage, and offer tax breaks to encourage behavior that benefits our society.

Those of us with thousand-dollar bikes can afford to pay a "luxury" tax for the privelage of riding. However, I really believe we are in the minority. Most bikes are owned by kids, students who ride them to school, responsible adults who are saving gas or exercising for their health, and low-income people who can't afford cars. A tax of this sort is going to hurt the people who need help the most.

Please take this opportunity to write to your state legislators, and let them know how you feel about it. Talking to each other at OBRA is interesting, but not terribly productive.

Here is a link to find the email addresses of your Oregon legislators: http://www.leg.state.or.us/findlegsltr/
Here's a list of all the Oregon representatives:
http://www.leg.state.or.us/servlet/XSLT?URL=members.xml&xslURL=members.xsl&member-type=representative

- Melissa

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Brady Brady

I MIGHT actually consider not breaking such laws, should they pass, if there were a "license" system or some sort. i.e., registration covers as many bikes as needed, but each $x (currently x=54) gets you a license, which is what this bozo is really after, anyway. You carry the license (i.d. card, brain implant / NSA tracking chip, whatever) while riding. It lists the bikes registered, etc.

This way you would only pay for the # of bikes that would potentially be in use at once, instead of being penalized just because you have more than one bike.

This would perhaps migrate the proposed bill from the status of "Worst idea ever" to, say, merely "a really, really horrible, Orwellian idea".

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Long, Steve
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 8:14 AM
To: Don Mathews; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Licensing our bikes?

Trust? Trust this,
Forcing registration fees for bike to help pay for bike lane
maintenance could possibly lead to forcing bikes to ONLY ride in bike
lanes.
Let us not miss the point of back doors. Opps, wait, politicians never
do that do they...

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Don Mathews
Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 9:10 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Licensing our bikes?

Does anyone here in OBRAland really think we can trust the Oregon
legislature with anymore of our money? Not to mention what this new
fee/paper work will do to getting NEW people involved in this sport?

I propose that OBRA and all other bicycle associations come out and
FIGHT THIS PROPOSAL ALL WE CAN!!! I am going to bury my state rep in
emails! Might be time to start a Facebook Group!

Oregon is one of the most HEAVILY taxed states in the union when you
include user fees! Don't they have enough?

Sincerely,

Don Mathews
www.myspace.com/dem76pdx

www.flickr.com/photos/dem76pdx/sets

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Long, Steve

Trust? Trust this,
Forcing registration fees for bike to help pay for bike lane
maintenance could possibly lead to forcing bikes to ONLY ride in bike
lanes.
Let us not miss the point of back doors. Opps, wait, politicians never
do that do they...

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Don Mathews
Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 9:10 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Licensing our bikes?

Does anyone here in OBRAland really think we can trust the Oregon
legislature with anymore of our money? Not to mention what this new
fee/paper work will do to getting NEW people involved in this sport?

I propose that OBRA and all other bicycle associations come out and
FIGHT THIS PROPOSAL ALL WE CAN!!! I am going to bury my state rep in
emails! Might be time to start a Facebook Group!

Oregon is one of the most HEAVILY taxed states in the union when you
include user fees! Don't they have enough?

Sincerely,

Don Mathews
www.myspace.com/dem76pdx

www.flickr.com/photos/dem76pdx/sets

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Mark J. Ginsberg

For those who have strong opinions about this issue, instead of filling a racer chat list with thoughts on bike advocacy, how about joining the state level group who protects cyclists rights to the road, the Bicycle Transportation Alliance?

TaDa: http://bta4bikes.org/support/join.php

Mark

Mark J. Ginsberg

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Attorneys At Law

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Portland, OR 97214

(503) 542-3000

Fax (503) 233-6874

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www.bikesafetylaw.com

--- On Sun, 3/8/09, Jonathan Maus wrote:
From: Jonathan Maus
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Licensing our bikes?
To: "Melissa Boyd"
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 6:53 PM

howdy, 
If anyone is interested in more details/analysis/discussion of this proposed bill, check out BikePortland.
we broke the news on Friday and then I published a f/u story based on a conversation I had with Rep. Wayne Krieger.  There have been over 250 comments on the two stories combined... and stories in The Oregonian, on KATU, and on KGW so far.
here's my initial story - http://tinyurl.com/dhtevq
and here's the conversation with Krieger - http://tinyurl.com/bcjdqh
oh, and if you're wondering.. I think it's highly unlikely to actually pass... for a lot of reasons you can read in the comments on bikeportland.
cheers.
--Jonathan_____________________Jonathan Maus Publisher/Editor-in-chiefBikePortland.org
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On Mar 8, 2009, at 6:40 PM, Melissa Boyd wrote:
I personally believe we should tax luxuries and behaviors we want to discourage, and offer tax breaks to encourage behavior that benefits our society.   Those of us with thousand-dollar bikes can afford to pay a "luxury" tax for the privelage of riding. However, I really believe we are in the minority. Most bikes are owned by kids, students who ride them to school, responsible adults who are saving gas or exercising for their health, and low-income people who can't afford cars. A tax of this sort is going to hurt the people who need help the most.   Please take this opportunity to write to your state legislators, and let them know how you feel about it. Talking to each other at OBRA is interesting, but not terribly productive.   Here is a link to find the email addresses of your Oregon legislators: http://www.leg.state.or.us/findlegsltr/ Here's a list of all the Oregon representatives:
http://www.leg.state.or.us/servlet/XSLT?URL=members.xml&xslURL=members.xsl&member-type=representative   - Melissa
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Randy Dreiling

Give me a break
I am blown away at how some Portland people label all our smaller towns
Yeah we are just a bunch of dumb ass rednecks with evil cops
K-Falls and Medford are some of the larger towns in Oregon outside Portland and neither is a tourist town

 Randy Dreiling

----- Original Message ----
From: Eric Aleskus
To: Don Mathews
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2009 9:29:38 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Licensing our bikes?

What I find interesting is the three of the four state representatives (Gold Beach, Medford, and Klamath Falls) are from Southern portion of the State and only one is from a major metro area (Happy Valley).

Most of these places depend on tourist dollars for revenues and also tickets. How many of us have been caught in a small town going over the speed limit slightly and the ticket is over $100. Most officers in these areas are more likely to stop a cyclist or someone riding a bike write a ticket instead of a major city officer. Most likely the person out of town will pay the $25 instead of fussing over the issue.

Eric

On Mar 8, 2009, at 9:10 PM, Don Mathews wrote:

> Does anyone here in OBRAland really think we can trust the Oregon
> legislature with anymore of our money? Not to mention what this new
> fee/paper work will do to getting NEW people involved in this sport?
>
> I propose that OBRA and all other bicycle associations come out and FIGHT
> THIS PROPOSAL ALL WE CAN!!! I am going to bury my state rep in emails! Might
> be time to start a Facebook Group!
>
> Oregon is one of the most HEAVILY taxed states in the union when you include
> user fees! Don't they have enough?
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Don Mathews
> www.myspace.com/dem76pdx
>
> www.flickr.com/photos/dem76pdx/sets
>
>
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Haverty, Chris

I'll pay the license fee if they promise to use it to re-pave the loop around Hagg Lake :).

--- On Sun, 3/8/09, Jon Ragsdale wrote:

From: Jon Ragsdale
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Licensing our bikes?
To: obra@list.obra.org
Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 2:58 PM

Hmmmm, not sure how I feel about this.  I do know 54 every couple of years seems really high, and I have no doubt the govt would try and use the money for other things.
http://www.kgw.com/video/index.html?nvid=339643&shu=1
I used to have a bike that was my great grandfather’s.  He had to register it in Walla Walla in the 60s and 70s.  and it had a small metal plate on it from one year, and stickers on the seat tube from other years.  What’s going to happen?  We are going to have cops stop us on the streets to check our stickers or small plates?  That part seems beyond ridiculous to me._______________________________________________
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What I find interesting is the three of the four state representatives
(Gold Beach, Medford, and Klamath Falls) are from Southern portion of
the State and only one is from a major metro area (Happy Valley).

Most of these places depend on tourist dollars for revenues and also
tickets. How many of us have been caught in a small town going over
the speed limit slightly and the ticket is over $100. Most officers in
these areas are more likely to stop a cyclist or someone riding a bike
write a ticket instead of a major city officer. Most likely the person
out of town will pay the $25 instead of fussing over the issue.

Eric

On Mar 8, 2009, at 9:10 PM, Don Mathews wrote:

> Does anyone here in OBRAland really think we can trust the Oregon
> legislature with anymore of our money? Not to mention what this new
> fee/paper work will do to getting NEW people involved in this sport?
>
> I propose that OBRA and all other bicycle associations come out and
> FIGHT
> THIS PROPOSAL ALL WE CAN!!! I am going to bury my state rep in
> emails! Might
> be time to start a Facebook Group!
>
> Oregon is one of the most HEAVILY taxed states in the union when you
> include
> user fees! Don't they have enough?
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Don Mathews
> www.myspace.com/dem76pdx
>
> www.flickr.com/photos/dem76pdx/sets
>
>
>
>
>
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Don Mathews

Does anyone here in OBRAland really think we can trust the Oregon
legislature with anymore of our money? Not to mention what this new
fee/paper work will do to getting NEW people involved in this sport?

I propose that OBRA and all other bicycle associations come out and FIGHT
THIS PROPOSAL ALL WE CAN!!! I am going to bury my state rep in emails! Might
be time to start a Facebook Group!

Oregon is one of the most HEAVILY taxed states in the union when you include
user fees! Don't they have enough?

Sincerely,

Don Mathews
www.myspace.com/dem76pdx

www.flickr.com/photos/dem76pdx/sets

phelan kostur

Like that money is going anywhere but in Simone's pocket... are they gonna lower car license plate cost? because from what i understand that's where they get the money for the WHOLE rode. and you cant tell me that they don't have enough money to repave the cracked and potholed rodes just look at all the cars that try to kill us when we ride.

________________________________
From: Randy Dreiling
To: Melissa Boyd ; OBRA e-mail
Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2009 7:37:10 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Licensing our bikes?

I following up on my other post where I said $54 is too much but $10 would be OK
Plus you know they would come up with some kind of income waiver

Randy Dreiling

________________________________
From: Melissa Boyd
To: Randy Dreiling ; OBRA e-mail
Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2009 6:52:30 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Licensing our bikes?

Randy -

It's not $10, it's $54. Even though that's for two years, $54 is a lot for people on a limited income. For many, their bikes are barely worth that much.

Melissa

On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Randy Dreiling wrote:

Interesting view...I didn't think of it that way.

I saw it more as a way to keep track of your bike in case it is taken and pay for what we use.

I really don't think $10 is going to break a student or the poor.

Take Care
Randy Dreiling

________________________________
From: Melissa Boyd
To: RCJohnson1@attglobal.net
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2009 6:40:37 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Licensing our bikes?

I personally believe we should tax luxuries and behaviors we want to discourage, and offer tax breaks to encourage behavior that benefits our society.

Those of us with thousand-dollar bikes can afford to pay a "luxury" tax for the privelage of riding. However, I really believe we are in the minority. Most bikes are owned by kids, students who ride them to school, responsible adults who are saving gas or exercising for their health, and low-income people who can't afford cars. A tax of this sort is going to hurt the people who need help the most.

Please take this opportunity to write to your state legislators, and let them know how you feel about it. Talking to each other at OBRA is interesting, but not terribly productive.

Here is a link to find the email addresses of your Oregon legislators: http://www.leg.state.or.us/findlegsltr/
Here's a list of all the Oregon representatives:
http://www.leg.state.or.us/servlet/XSLT?URL=members.xmlxslURL=members.xsl&member-type=representative

- Melissa

Rick C Johnson

The way "Taxifornia" does it with off road vehicles:
All licensed dealers (think your LBS) collects the initial annual fee at
time of sale. You are sent an annual notice to pay every year after. If
you do not operate the vehicle you must file a form claiming so. If you
are then caught operating the vehicle you are charged back fees and
penalties. When you sell the vehicle you must file another form stating
to whom it was sold. The process repeats with the new owner. If you fail
to pay without submitting the proper paperwork your case is turned over
to a collection agency. Fun with them is well known.
The funds collected are used for enforcement. Rangers visit trail heads,
checkpoints are established on popular trails and riding areas. Further
penalties are collected. The strategy is to make avoidance so onerous
and expensive that people submit to paying. That strategy works and has
been proved for many years. It would not take much imagination to
duplicate it here with bicycles.

The warning was raised before all that happened there. Not enough people
objected and off-road motorcyclists (this was before 3 and 4 wheelers)
were a small minority. Sort of like bicyclists.

Rick Johnson
Bend, Oregon

"Those who cannot remember the past, are condemned to repeat it" -
George Santayana

Ron and Dorothy Strasser wrote:

> In all reality about the only way they will have of getting any income
> from "a bicycle owner" is on the initial sale of a new bicycle or
> resale shop. Not including bikes that are stolen, so many change
> hands between individuals. Like was stated so many belong to children
> it would be almost impossible to keep track of these bikes. Johnny
> leaves bike in front yard. Bike is stolen. Parents get renewal
> notice of 50 or so dollars for reg. renewal. Parents paid 119 dollars
> for bike. Parents throw renewal notice away or let them know it was
> stolen. Bike is out there tearing up road way with the studded tires
> parents put on it for Johnny and yet no funds coming in for bicycle
> infrastructure. The amount proposed per year would also be way out of
> line with regard to funds needed to support cycling infrastructure.
> If yearly (or whatever timeframe they chose) fees were brought into
> play, I believe they would need to be pretty darn generic. What I
> mean is that I would report I own five bicycles and send them 10
> dollars per bike or some such thing. I believe they would never be
> able to keep track of the bikes except at point of sale from a
> business. The cost of state, county or whatever level staff to keep
> track would eat the income. It will be VERY INTERESTING to see what
> lawmakers come up with as bicycle riders demand more rights to the
> roadways.
> Just my view with mud in my eyes and plaques in my brain.
> ron
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Michael O'Hair
> *To:* obra@list.obra.org
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 08, 2009 7:08 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] Licensing our bikes?
>
> It will be interesting if not downright entertaining to watch the
> legislature work on the "formula" for taxation of bicycles.
>
> Price? Original sticker price? Or must a receipt be produced on
> demand?
>
> Size? They probably will consider "small" bikes to be kids bikes
> except there are all those BMX people.
>
> Volume Discounts? For those of us with Bike Racer's Disease.
>
> And from bicycles it's only a small step to skis.
>
> I suspect that the license & DEQ fees for cars will go up way sooner.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Melissa Boyd
> **
> Those of us with thousand-dollar bikes can afford to pay a
> "luxury" tax for the privelage of riding. However, I really
> believe we are in the minority. Most bikes are owned by kids,
> students who ride them to school, responsible adults who are
> saving gas or exercising for their health, and low-income
> people who can't afford cars. A tax of this sort is going to
> hurt the people who need help the most.
>
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In all reality about the only way they will have of getting any income from "a bicycle owner" is on the initial sale of a new bicycle or resale shop. Not including bikes that are stolen, so many change hands between individuals. Like was stated so many belong to children it would be almost impossible to keep track of these bikes. Johnny leaves bike in front yard. Bike is stolen. Parents get renewal notice of 50 or so dollars for reg. renewal. Parents paid 119 dollars for bike. Parents throw renewal notice away or let them know it was stolen. Bike is out there tearing up road way with the studded tires parents put on it for Johnny and yet no funds coming in for bicycle infrastructure. The amount proposed per year would also be way out of line with regard to funds needed to support cycling infrastructure. If yearly (or whatever timeframe they chose) fees were brought into play, I believe they would need to be pretty darn generic. What I mean is that I would report I own five bicycles and send them 10 dollars per bike or some such thing. I believe they would never be able to keep track of the bikes except at point of sale from a business. The cost of state, county or whatever level staff to keep track would eat the income. It will be VERY INTERESTING to see what lawmakers come up with as bicycle riders demand more rights to the roadways.
Just my view with mud in my eyes and plaques in my brain.
ron
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael O'Hair
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Licensing our bikes?

It will be interesting if not downright entertaining to watch the legislature work on the "formula" for taxation of bicycles.

Price? Original sticker price? Or must a receipt be produced on demand?

Size? They probably will consider "small" bikes to be kids bikes except there are all those BMX people.

Volume Discounts? For those of us with Bike Racer's Disease.

And from bicycles it's only a small step to skis.

I suspect that the license & DEQ fees for cars will go up way sooner.
----- Original Message -----
From: Melissa Boyd

Those of us with thousand-dollar bikes can afford to pay a "luxury" tax for the privelage of riding. However, I really believe we are in the minority. Most bikes are owned by kids, students who ride them to school, responsible adults who are saving gas or exercising for their health, and low-income people who can't afford cars. A tax of this sort is going to hurt the people who need help the most.

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Lisa_Tim Ehlers

Wow! Hey from someone in Salem here, thanks to all those in Portland! J. Maus seems to be on top of this pretty well to keep folks informed and keep in mind the BTA will also be looking at this topic. Maybe think about joining the BTA so they will represent a collective voice but you can also check with your local legislative folks and let them know.

Keep in mind that "IF" this would even move forward it would not just hit those that have many bikes for various reasons but many others as well. I was talking to my spouse about it and we wondered what would they do with all the UGM folks that live on the street but still have a bike? Of course our kids bikes, low income families, the list goes on and on.

Even at the price they suggest, I have three bikes but wouldn't license all of them and probably not any of them so what would be the point of the legislation. I think law enforcement has enough to do, except when they set up 'stop sign' traps in the greater PDX area.

Let the voices be heard but in a collaborative and meaningful way that shows that this kind of legislation is about as good as wanting to get the dogs allowed back into the State Capital.

Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: Jonathan Maus
To: Melissa Boyd
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Licensing our bikes?

howdy,

If anyone is interested in more details/analysis/discussion of this proposed bill, check out BikePortland.

we broke the news on Friday and then I published a f/u story based on a conversation I had with Rep. Wayne Krieger. There have been over 250 comments on the two stories combined... and stories in The Oregonian, on KATU, and on KGW so far.

here's my initial story - http://tinyurl.com/dhtevq

and here's the conversation with Krieger - http://tinyurl.com/bcjdqh

oh, and if you're wondering.. I think it's highly unlikely to actually pass... for a lot of reasons you can read in the comments on bikeportland.

cheers.

--Jonathan
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On Mar 8, 2009, at 6:40 PM, Melissa Boyd wrote:

I personally believe we should tax luxuries and behaviors we want to discourage, and offer tax breaks to encourage behavior that benefits our society.

Those of us with thousand-dollar bikes can afford to pay a "luxury" tax for the privelage of riding. However, I really believe we are in the minority. Most bikes are owned by kids, students who ride them to school, responsible adults who are saving gas or exercising for their health, and low-income people who can't afford cars. A tax of this sort is going to hurt the people who need help the most.

Please take this opportunity to write to your state legislators, and let them know how you feel about it. Talking to each other at OBRA is interesting, but not terribly productive.

Here is a link to find the email addresses of your Oregon legislators: http://www.leg.state.or.us/findlegsltr/
Here's a list of all the Oregon representatives:
http://www.leg.state.or.us/servlet/XSLT?URL=members.xml&xslURL=members.xsl&member-type=representative

- Melissa

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Jonathan
Thanks
I agree it is unlikely just having a fun debate
See you in DC on Tuesday
 Randy Dreiling

________________________________
From: Jonathan Maus
To: Melissa Boyd
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2009 6:53:24 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Licensing our bikes?

howdy, 

If anyone is interested in more details/analysis/discussion of this proposed bill, check out BikePortland.

we broke the news on Friday and then I published a f/u story based on a conversation I had with Rep. Wayne Krieger.  There have been over 250 comments on the two stories combined... and stories in The Oregonian, on KATU, and on KGW so far.

here's my initial story - http://tinyurl.com/dhtevq

and here's the conversation with Krieger - http://tinyurl.com/bcjdqh

oh, and if you're wondering.. I think it's highly unlikely to actually pass... for a lot of reasons you can read in the comments on bikeportland.

cheers.

--Jonathan
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BikePortland.org

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On Mar 8, 2009, at 6:40 PM, Melissa Boyd wrote:

I personally believe we should tax luxuries and behaviors we want to discourage, and offer tax breaks to encourage behavior that benefits our society.

Those of us with thousand-dollar bikes can afford to pay a "luxury" tax for the privelage of riding. However, I really believe we are in the minority. Most bikes are owned by kids, students who ride them to school, responsible adults who are saving gas or exercising for their health, and low-income people who can't afford cars. A tax of this sort is going to hurt the people who need help the most.

Please take this opportunity to write to your state legislators, and let them know how you feel about it. Talking to each other at OBRA is interesting, but not terribly productive.

Here is a link to find the email addresses of your Oregon legislators: http://www.leg.state.or.us/findlegsltr/
Here's a list of all the Oregon representatives:
http://www.leg.state.or.us/servlet/XSLT?URL=members.xml&xslURL=members.xsl&member-type=representative

- Melissa

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I following up on my other post where I said $54 is too much but $10 would be OK
Plus you know they would come up with some kind of income waiver

 Randy Dreiling

________________________________
From: Melissa Boyd
To: Randy Dreiling ; OBRA e-mail
Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2009 6:52:30 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Licensing our bikes?

Randy -

It's not $10, it's $54. Even though that's for two years, $54 is a lot for people on a limited income. For many, their bikes are barely worth that much.

Melissa

On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Randy Dreiling wrote:

Interesting view...I didn't think of it that way.

I saw it more as a way to keep track of your bike in case it is taken and pay for what we use.

I really don't think $10 is going to break a student or the poor.

Take Care
 Randy Dreiling

________________________________
From: Melissa Boyd
To: RCJohnson1@attglobal.net
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2009 6:40:37 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Licensing our bikes?

I personally believe we should tax luxuries and behaviors we want to discourage, and offer tax breaks to encourage behavior that benefits our society.

Those of us with thousand-dollar bikes can afford to pay a "luxury" tax for the privelage of riding. However, I really believe we are in the minority. Most bikes are owned by kids, students who ride them to school, responsible adults who are saving gas or exercising for their health, and low-income people who can't afford cars. A tax of this sort is going to hurt the people who need help the most.

Please take this opportunity to write to your state legislators, and let them know how you feel about it. Talking to each other at OBRA is interesting, but not terribly productive.

Here is a link to find the email addresses of your Oregon legislators: http://www.leg.state.or.us/findlegsltr/
Here's a list of all the Oregon representatives:
http://www.leg.state.or.us/servlet/XSLT?URL=members.xml&xslURL=members.xsl&member-type=representative

- Melissa

Joe Cipale

Good luck trying to force Washington riders to subscribe to this horsespit.

Lynne Cuevas wrote:

> Gee Melissa,=A0 I guess I should get the list of things that WE want to dis=
> courage people from doing.=A0 I like living here in the USA because I can d=
> o most of the things I like to do.=A0 I think I pay enough road taxes alred=
> y.
>
>
> --- On Sun, 3/8/09, Melissa Boyd wrote:
>
> From: Melissa Boyd
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Licensing our bikes?
> To: RCJohnson1@attglobal.net
> Cc: obra@list.obra.org
> Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 6:40 PM
>
>
>
> I personally believe we should tax luxuries and behaviors we want to discou=
> rage, and offer tax breaks=A0to encourage=A0behavior that benefits our soci=
> ety.
> =A0
> Those of us with thousand-dollar bikes can afford to pay a "luxury" tax for=
> the privelage of riding. However, I really believe we are in the minority.=
> =A0Most bikes are owned by kids, students who ride them to school, responsi=
> ble adults who are saving gas or exercising for their health, and low-incom=
> e people who can't afford cars. A tax of this sort is going to hurt the peo=
> ple who need help the most.
> =A0
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Michael O'Hair

It will be interesting if not downright entertaining to watch the legislature work on the "formula" for taxation of bicycles.

Price? Original sticker price? Or must a receipt be produced on demand?

Size? They probably will consider "small" bikes to be kids bikes except there are all those BMX people.

Volume Discounts? For those of us with Bike Racer's Disease.

And from bicycles it's only a small step to skis.

I suspect that the license & DEQ fees for cars will go up way sooner.
----- Original Message -----
From: Melissa Boyd

Those of us with thousand-dollar bikes can afford to pay a "luxury" tax for the privelage of riding. However, I really believe we are in the minority. Most bikes are owned by kids, students who ride them to school, responsible adults who are saving gas or exercising for their health, and low-income people who can't afford cars. A tax of this sort is going to hurt the people who need help the most.

Southwest Bicycle

What $10? It's $54 for 2 years.
A sticker on your bike will not get it back.
Cyclists impact on the roads is nil compared to studded tires. Tax those!
I and everyone I know already pays tax for roads that need repair because of damage from cars. Cars with studded tires. Okay, you needed the studded tires for two weeks last year and you still couldn't drive. I know because I saw your car stacked up with the rest. Take them off already!
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy Dreiling
To: Melissa Boyd ; RCJohnson1@attglobal.net
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Licensing our bikes?

Interesting view...I didn't think of it that way.

I saw it more as a way to keep track of your bike in case it is taken and pay for what we use.

I really don't think $10 is going to break a student or the poor.

Take Care

Randy Dreiling

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From: Melissa Boyd
To: RCJohnson1@attglobal.net
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2009 6:40:37 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Licensing our bikes?

I personally believe we should tax luxuries and behaviors we want to discourage, and offer tax breaks to encourage behavior that benefits our society.

Those of us with thousand-dollar bikes can afford to pay a "luxury" tax for the privelage of riding. However, I really believe we are in the minority. Most bikes are owned by kids, students who ride them to school, responsible adults who are saving gas or exercising for their health, and low-income people who can't afford cars. A tax of this sort is going to hurt the people who need help the most.

Please take this opportunity to write to your state legislators, and let them know how you feel about it. Talking to each other at OBRA is interesting, but not terribly productive.

Here is a link to find the email addresses of your Oregon legislators: http://www.leg.state.or.us/findlegsltr/
Here's a list of all the Oregon representatives:
http://www.leg.state.or.us/servlet/XSLT?URL=members.xml&xslURL=members.xsl&member-type=representative

- Melissa

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Lynne Cuevas

Gee Melissa,  I guess I should get the list of things that WE want to discourage people from doing.  I like living here in the USA because I can do most of the things I like to do.  I think I pay enough road taxes alredy.

--- On Sun, 3/8/09, Melissa Boyd wrote:

From: Melissa Boyd
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Licensing our bikes?
To: RCJohnson1@attglobal.net
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 6:40 PM

I personally believe we should tax luxuries and behaviors we want to discourage, and offer tax breaks to encourage behavior that benefits our society.
 
Those of us with thousand-dollar bikes can afford to pay a "luxury" tax for the privelage of riding. However, I really believe we are in the minority. Most bikes are owned by kids, students who ride them to school, responsible adults who are saving gas or exercising for their health, and low-income people who can't afford cars. A tax of this sort is going to hurt the people who need help the most.
 
Please take this opportunity to write to your state legislators, and let them know how you feel about it. Talking to each other at OBRA is interesting, but not terribly productive.
 
Here is a link to find the email addresses of your Oregon legislators: http://www.leg.state.or.us/findlegsltr/
Here's a list of all the Oregon representatives:
http://www.leg.state.or.us/servlet/XSLT?URL=members.xml&xslURL=members.xsl&member-type=representative
 
- Melissa

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Jonathan Maus

howdy,

If anyone is interested in more details/analysis/discussion of this
proposed bill, check out BikePortland.

we broke the news on Friday and then I published a f/u story based on
a conversation I had with Rep. Wayne Krieger. There have been over
250 comments on the two stories combined... and stories in The
Oregonian, on KATU, and on KGW so far.

here's my initial story - http://tinyurl.com/dhtevq

and here's the conversation with Krieger - http://tinyurl.com/bcjdqh

oh, and if you're wondering.. I think it's highly unlikely to actually
pass... for a lot of reasons you can read in the comments on
bikeportland.

cheers.

--Jonathan
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On Mar 8, 2009, at 6:40 PM, Melissa Boyd wrote:

> I personally believe we should tax luxuries and behaviors we want to
> discourage, and offer tax breaks to encourage behavior that benefits
> our society.
>
> Those of us with thousand-dollar bikes can afford to pay a "luxury"
> tax for the privelage of riding. However, I really believe we are in
> the minority. Most bikes are owned by kids, students who ride them
> to school, responsible adults who are saving gas or exercising for
> their health, and low-income people who can't afford cars. A tax of
> this sort is going to hurt the people who need help the most.
>
> Please take this opportunity to write to your state legislators, and
> let them know how you feel about it. Talking to each other at OBRA
> is interesting, but not terribly productive.
>
> Here is a link to find the email addresses of your Oregon
> legislators: http://www.leg.state.or.us/findlegsltr/
> Here's a list of all the Oregon representatives:
> http://www.leg.state.or.us/servlet/XSLT?URL=members.xml&xslURL=members.xsl&member-type=representative
>
> - Melissa
>
>
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Melissa Boyd

Randy -

It's not $10, it's $54. Even though that's for two years, $54 is a lot for
people on a limited income. For many, their bikes are barely worth that
much.

Melissa

On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Randy Dreiling wrote:

> Interesting view...I didn't think of it that way.
>
> I saw it more as a way to keep track of your bike in case it is taken and
> pay for what we use.
>
> I really don't think $10 is going to break a student or the poor.
>
> Take Care
>
> Randy Dreiling
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Melissa Boyd
> *To:* RCJohnson1@attglobal.net
> *Cc:* obra@list.obra.org
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 8, 2009 6:40:37 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] Licensing our bikes?
>
> I personally believe we should tax luxuries and behaviors we want to
> discourage, and offer tax breaks to encourage behavior that benefits our
> society.
>
> Those of us with thousand-dollar bikes can afford to pay a "luxury" tax for
> the privelage of riding. However, I really believe we are in the
> minority. Most bikes are owned by kids, students who ride them to school,
> responsible adults who are saving gas or exercising for their health, and
> low-income people who can't afford cars. A tax of this sort is going to hurt
> the people who need help the most.
>
> Please take this opportunity to write to your state legislators, and let
> them know how you feel about it. Talking to each other at OBRA is
> interesting, but not terribly productive.
>
> Here is a link to find the email addresses of your Oregon legislators:
> http://www.leg.state.or.us/findlegsltr/
> Here's a list of all the Oregon representatives
> :
>
> http://www.leg.state.or.us/servlet/XSLT?URL=members.xml&xslURL=members.xsl&member-type=representative
>
> - Melissa
>
>
>
>

Randy Dreiling

Interesting view...I didn't think of it that way.

I saw it more as a way to keep track of your bike in case it is taken and pay for what we use.

I really don't think $10 is going to break a student or the poor.

Take Care
 Randy Dreiling

________________________________
From: Melissa Boyd
To: RCJohnson1@attglobal.net
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2009 6:40:37 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Licensing our bikes?

I personally believe we should tax luxuries and behaviors we want to discourage, and offer tax breaks to encourage behavior that benefits our society.

Those of us with thousand-dollar bikes can afford to pay a "luxury" tax for the privelage of riding. However, I really believe we are in the minority. Most bikes are owned by kids, students who ride them to school, responsible adults who are saving gas or exercising for their health, and low-income people who can't afford cars. A tax of this sort is going to hurt the people who need help the most.

Please take this opportunity to write to your state legislators, and let them know how you feel about it. Talking to each other at OBRA is interesting, but not terribly productive.

Here is a link to find the email addresses of your Oregon legislators: http://www.leg.state.or.us/findlegsltr/
Here's a list of all the Oregon representatives:
http://www.leg.state.or.us/servlet/XSLT?URL=members.xml&xslURL=members.xsl&member-type=representative

- Melissa

Melissa Boyd

I personally believe we should tax luxuries and behaviors we want to
discourage, and offer tax breaks to encourage behavior that benefits our
society.

Those of us with thousand-dollar bikes can afford to pay a "luxury" tax for
the privelage of riding. However, I really believe we are in the
minority. Most bikes are owned by kids, students who ride them to school,
responsible adults who are saving gas or exercising for their health, and
low-income people who can't afford cars. A tax of this sort is going to hurt
the people who need help the most.

Please take this opportunity to write to your state legislators, and let
them know how you feel about it. Talking to each other at OBRA is
interesting, but not terribly productive.

Here is a link to find the email addresses of your Oregon legislators:
http://www.leg.state.or.us/findlegsltr/
Here's a list of all the Oregon
representatives
:
http://www.leg.state.or.us/servlet/XSLT?URL=members.xml&xslURL=members.xsl&member-type=representative

- Melissa

Randy Dreiling

True
That is why I say unless it is going to paths, lanes and trails forget it

 Randy Dreiling

----- Original Message ----
From: Rick C Johnson
To: Jon Ragsdale
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2009 6:18:38 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Licensing our bikes?

There is a cautionary tale there. California enacted off-road vehicle registration under the premise of improving access and maintaining trails. For about tens years nothing of the kind happened and the money collected added up to millions of dollars. Then came a period when the state budget got tight and the state transferred all that money into the general fund.
The net result - years of fees collected with zero benefit the user group being charged and a big lawsuit against the state which took still more years to resolve.

Currently California still does collect the fee, it is up to $52 per year. This January they proposed again raiding the "green sticker" fund for 90 million dollars but have backed off and now only intend to take 60 million.

Don't necessarily believe you will receive the benefits claimed.

Rick Johnson
Bend, Oregon

"I'd rather eat domestic salmonella than Chinese melamine."

Jon Ragsdale wrote:

> As far as I know, they still do require that in CA. I know my dirt bikes were registered in the 70s.
>
> *From:* obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] *On Behalf Of *Michael O'Hair
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 08, 2009 3:09 PM
> *To:* obra@list.obra.org
> *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] Licensing our bikes?
>
> The states are scrambling for every dime they can scrounge. Years ago, California started licensing off-road motorcyles. Don't know how long it lasted.
>
>    ----- Original Message -----
>
>    *From:* Jon Ragsdale
>
>    *To:* obra@list.obra.org
>
>    *Sent:* Sunday, March 08, 2009 2:58 PM
>
>    *Subject:* [OBRA Chat] Licensing our bikes?
>
>    Hmmmm, not sure how I feel about this. I do know 54 every couple
>    of years seems really high, and I have no doubt the govt would try
>    and use the money for other things.
>
>    http://www.kgw.com/video/index.html?nvid=339643&shu=1
>   
>
>    I used to have a bike that was my great grandfather’s. He had to
>    register it in Walla Walla in the 60s and 70s. and it had a small
>    metal plate on it from one year, and stickers on the seat tube
>    from other years. What’s going to happen? We are going to have
>    cops stop us on the streets to check our stickers or small plates?
>    That part seems beyond ridiculous to me.
>
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Lynne Cuevas

Let's see here....54.00x 12 bikes per year PLUS license and registration for all 6, yes 6 of my vehicles?  You can only squeeze so much out of us and then we are dry!
 

--- On Sun, 3/8/09, david baker wrote:

From: david baker
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Licensing our bikes?
To: "Jon Ragsdale" , obra@list.obra.org
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What about those under 50cc scooters, tricycles, skateboards, heck sidewalks cost a lot they could license shoes.
Mt bikes would be exempt because we already pay trailhead access fees, right? Or would a portion of the fees go to trail maintenance? Of course mt bikes would not be street legal then unless you licensed them as a road bike.
I don't mind paying for things I use, It would give cyclists more clout for bike lane/trail improvements and maintenance. But I can't stand the idea of having a plate or sticker on my bike that needs to be updated every two years. The thought of cops needing to see current plates on your bike and pulling cyclists over for out of date registration makes me sick to my stomach. 
It seems like they are coming up with a user fee for everything. It is all such a hassle and more costly for the government to have all of these department of whatevers. I wish they would just raise the income tax till they have enough money for what they need to do and get rid of some of these types of fee systems. 
Maybe I am just idealistic.
Well I'd still ride my bike. So I'd pay the fee. So I guess they have a good idea.
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Jon Ragsdale
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 2:58 PM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Licensing our bikes?

Hmmmm, not sure how I feel about this.  I do know 54 every couple of years seems really high, and I have no doubt the govt would try and use the money for other things.
http://www.kgw.com/video/index.html?nvid=339643&shu=1
I used to have a bike that was my great grandfather’s.  He had to register it in Walla Walla in the 60s and 70s.  and it had a small metal plate on it from one year, and stickers on the seat tube from other years.  What’s going to happen?  We are going to have cops stop us on the streets to check our stickers or small plates?  That part seems beyond ridiculous to me.

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There is a cautionary tale there. California enacted off-road vehicle
registration under the premise of improving access and maintaining
trails. For about tens years nothing of the kind happened and the money
collected added up to millions of dollars. Then came a period when the
state budget got tight and the state transferred all that money into the
general fund.
The net result - years of fees collected with zero benefit the user
group being charged and a big lawsuit against the state which took still
more years to resolve.

Currently California still does collect the fee, it is up to $52 per
year. This January they proposed again raiding the "green sticker" fund
for 90 million dollars but have backed off and now only intend to take
60 million.

Don't necessarily believe you will receive the benefits claimed.

Rick Johnson
Bend, Oregon

"I'd rather eat domestic salmonella than Chinese melamine."

Jon Ragsdale wrote:

> As far as I know, they still do require that in CA. I know my dirt
> bikes were registered in the 70s.
>
> *From:* obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
> *On Behalf Of *Michael O'Hair
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 08, 2009 3:09 PM
> *To:* obra@list.obra.org
> *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] Licensing our bikes?
>
> The states are scrambling for every dime they can scrounge. Years ago,
> California started licensing off-road motorcyles. Don't know how long
> it lasted.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* Jon Ragsdale
>
> *To:* obra@list.obra.org
>
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 08, 2009 2:58 PM
>
> *Subject:* [OBRA Chat] Licensing our bikes?
>
> Hmmmm, not sure how I feel about this. I do know 54 every couple
> of years seems really high, and I have no doubt the govt would try
> and use the money for other things.
>
> http://www.kgw.com/video/index.html?nvid=339643&shu=1
>
>
> I used to have a bike that was my great grandfather’s. He had to
> register it in Walla Walla in the 60s and 70s. and it had a small
> metal plate on it from one year, and stickers on the seat tube
> from other years. What’s going to happen? We are going to have
> cops stop us on the streets to check our stickers or small plates?
> That part seems beyond ridiculous to me.
>
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Randy Dreiling

Hi David and all

"Mt bikes would be exempt because we already pay
trailhead access fees, right?"
Only in certain area's mostly Bend...Sorry David
Only one area over here Waldo Lake area trails requires fee's anymore...they dropped that years ago on all the other trails in our district.

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What about those under 50cc scooters, tricycles, skateboards, heck sidewalks cost a lot they could license shoes.
Mt bikes would be exempt because we already pay trailhead access fees, right? Or would a portion of the fees go to trail maintenance? Of course mt bikes would not be street legal then unless you licensed them as a road bike.
I don't mind paying for things I use, It would give cyclists more clout for bike lane/trail improvements and maintenance. But I can't stand the idea of having a plate or sticker on my bike that needs to be updated every two years. The thought of cops needing to see current plates on your bike and pulling cyclists over for out of date registration makes me sick to my stomach.
It seems like they are coming up with a user fee for everything. It is all such a hassle and more costly for the government to have all of these department of whatevers. I wish they would just raise the income tax till they have enough money for what they need to do and get rid of some of these types of fee systems.
Maybe I am just idealistic.
Well I'd still ride my bike. So I'd pay the fee. So I guess they have a good idea.

----- Original Message -----
From: Jon Ragsdale
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 2:58 PM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Licensing our bikes?

Hmmmm, not sure how I feel about this. I do know 54 every couple of years seems really high, and I have no doubt the govt would try and use the money for other things.

http://www.kgw.com/video/index.html?nvid=339643&shu=1

I used to have a bike that was my great grandfather's. He had to register it in Walla Walla in the 60s and 70s. and it had a small metal plate on it from one year, and stickers on the seat tube from other years. What's going to happen? We are going to have cops stop us on the streets to check our stickers or small plates? That part seems beyond ridiculous to me.

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As far as I know, they still do require that in CA. I know my dirt bikes
were registered in the 70s.

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Michael O'Hair
Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 3:09 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Licensing our bikes?

The states are scrambling for every dime they can scrounge. Years ago,
California started licensing off-road motorcyles. Don't know how long it
lasted.

----- Original Message -----

From: Jon Ragsdale

To: obra@list.obra.org

Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 2:58 PM

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Licensing our bikes?

Hmmmm, not sure how I feel about this. I do know 54 every couple of years
seems really high, and I have no doubt the govt would try and use the money
for other things.

http://www.kgw.com/video/index.html?nvid=339643
&shu=1

I used to have a bike that was my great grandfather's. He had to register
it in Walla Walla in the 60s and 70s. and it had a small metal plate on it
from one year, and stickers on the seat tube from other years. What's going
to happen? We are going to have cops stop us on the streets to check our
stickers or small plates? That part seems beyond ridiculous to me.

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" Years
ago, California started licensing off-road motorcycles."
Oregon still does that and it is great because that money goes into Recreational Trails Program (RPT) which has helped to build some great bike paths and trails all over Oregon.
Oakridge was lucky enough to get a trails building machine with RTP funds thru a grant process they have every year.

Why do people assume the cops are going to hassle them?? If your bike was stolen wouldn't you want them to try and get it back?

Some cities in Oregon do license bikes.

$54 does seem high, but is it not true that we ride on the roads and trails....IF I knew the money went into bike lanes for road and hybrid bikes and trails for mountain bike sales I would be OK with that, just not that high of a fee. I would say $10-$15 bucks a year.

Take Care

----- Original Message -----
From: Jon Ragsdale
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 2:58
PM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Licensing our bikes?

Hmmmm, not sure how I feel about this. I do know 54 every couple of years seems really high, and I have no doubt the govt would try and use the money for other things.
http://www.kgw.com/video/index.html?nvid=339643&shu=1
I used to have a bike that was my great grandfather’s. He had to register it in Walla Walla in the 60s and 70s. and it had a small metal plate on it from one year, and stickers on the seat tube from other years. What’s going to happen? We are going to have cops stop us on the streets to check our stickers or small plates? That part seems beyond ridiculous to me.
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Michael O'Hair

The states are scrambling for every dime they can scrounge. Years ago, California started licensing off-road motorcyles. Don't know how long it lasted.

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From: Jon Ragsdale
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 2:58 PM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Licensing our bikes?

Hmmmm, not sure how I feel about this. I do know 54 every couple of years seems really high, and I have no doubt the govt would try and use the money for other things.

http://www.kgw.com/video/index.html?nvid=339643&shu=1

I used to have a bike that was my great grandfather's. He had to register it in Walla Walla in the 60s and 70s. and it had a small metal plate on it from one year, and stickers on the seat tube from other years. What's going to happen? We are going to have cops stop us on the streets to check our stickers or small plates? That part seems beyond ridiculous to me.

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Jon Ragsdale

Hmmmm, not sure how I feel about this. I do know 54 every couple of years
seems really high, and I have no doubt the govt would try and use the money
for other things.

http://www.kgw.com/video/index.html?nvid=339643
&shu=1

I used to have a bike that was my great grandfather's. He had to register
it in Walla Walla in the 60s and 70s. and it had a small metal plate on it
from one year, and stickers on the seat tube from other years. What's going
to happen? We are going to have cops stop us on the streets to check our
stickers or small plates? That part seems beyond ridiculous to me.