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Today's Topics:
1. FW: HB 3008 (Long, Steve)
2. FS:Misc bike parts, rack (Bari and Christi Stockton)
3. Re: HB 3008 (license bicycles) (Randy Dreiling)
4. Re: HB 3008 (license bicycles) (Andy Stahl)
5. Bike reg money (Randy Dreiling)
6. Re: HB 3008 (license bicycles) (Michael O'Hair)
7. Re: Bike reg money (Michael Mann)
8. Re: HB 3008 (license bicycles) (Pistis Mountain Bike Racing Team)
9. Re: HB 3008 (license bicycles) (Andy Stahl)
10. HB 3008 (license bicycles) (Andy Stahl)
11. Re: HB 3008 (license bicycles) (Brady Brady)
12. FS: nike gift cards (marco)
13. FS: revised parts list...FINAL (marco)
14. Trek 1000, Kids Road Bike for Sale (Karen McRae)
15. Re: HB 3008 (license bicycles) (Michael O'Hair)
16. weight rooms (Michael O'Hair)
17. OT: FREE cell phone charger (Brady Brady)
18. For Sale- Zero Gravity Brakes (Richard Haight)
19. OT: Remodelers: Free floor vents. (Brady Brady)
20. Re: weight rooms (Dan Watson)
21. Re: Horning's Hustle (david baker)
22. Re: weight rooms (Hazel)
23. Re: weight rooms (Ron and Dorothy Strasser)
24. Re: Horning's Hustle (Ron and Dorothy Strasser)
25. BB Volunteers Needed (Jeff Mitchem)
26. wtb: 700c tubular tire 20-23mm. (Jennifer CArroll)
27. wee cross bike (Clu Cotter)
28. Re: FW: HB 3008 (Trispoke@aol.com)
29. Re: Fixing tire sidewall damage? (Mike Murray)
30. Re: HB 3008 (license bicycles) (Jay Rideout)
31. Brown's/Scappoose/Syncline Trail Conditions? (Brady Brady)
32. Re: FW: HB 3008 (Kenji Sugahara)
33. FW: Travel Oregon Needs Your Help To Populate State's New
Bicycle Tourism Website (Jim Anderson)
34. cannondale caad 7 for sale dura ace 54cm $1000 o.b.o (davy)
35. Re: HB 3008 (license bicycles) (Michael O'Hair)
36. Re: HB 3008 (license bicycles) (Joe Cipale)
37. Team Group Health Vest at BB1 (Emily Martini)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:10:15 -0700
From: "Long, Steve"
Subject: [OBRA Chat] FW: HB 3008
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Okay, now I've probably said something stupid again so don't just blast
me. I took the time to write my legislators on this issue.
________________________________
From: Long, Steve
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 12:09 PM
To: 'sen.dianerosenbaum@state.or.us'
Cc: 'rep.carolyntomei@state.or.us'
Subject: HB 3008
Representatives Tomei and Rosenbaum,
I'm writing you this note because I'm concerned about proposed
legislation HB 3008. It is my understanding that the supporters of this
bill believe that users of bicycle lanes ought to pay the costs for said
bicycle lanes. This bill is fundamentally flawed for many reasons.
However, I'd like to point out just a few of it's flaws.
1. Most serious cyclist are not dependent on bicycle lanes and in fact
often ride their bikes in rural areas were traffic volume is light and
there are no bicycle lanes. Therefore, those most affected by this bill
are likely to be those we'd most like to encourage alternative forms of
transportation with, people using bicycles to commute to work or to a
MAX stop or bus stop. So, while we are encouraging people to take
alternative forms of transportation, it makes no sense to put an undue
burden on them to do so. Are not these two ideas polar opposites?
2. As a country, we are encouraging alternative forms of energy, when in
fact, our most abundant form of energy is, in itself, energy efficiency.
We do this as a country and as a state to the extent that we give tax
credits for constituents that install energy efficient appliances,
windows, etc.
Human powered bicycles don't use one drop of gas. Shouldn't we be
working to increase this form of energy efficiency instead of trying to
find ways to extract revenue from it? Bicycling is good for Oregon.
3. I'm a cyclist and I vote. I oppose HB 3008. I ride my bicycles about
10,000 miles a year. I'm a gainfully employeed Oregonian. I own a home.
I own a car. I pay taxes on my home, taxes when I buy gas and payroll
taxes. I already fund my fair share of road and bike lane maintenance. I
do not believe I should be double taxed just because I ride a bicycle. I
suppose the argument could be made that existing moneys devoted to bike
lane maintenance could be replaced by revenue generated from bicycle
registration. However, there is nothing in this legislation that
suggests that. I would like to note that even if there was language in
this bill indicating this, I would still oppose a bill so fundamentally
flawed.
Thank you for taking the time to read this note and I hope that you
stand with me and against HB 3008.
Steve Long
Milwaukie, OR
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:19:45 -0700
From: "Bari and Christi Stockton"
Subject: [OBRA Chat] FS:Misc bike parts, rack
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I am attempting to de-clutter my garage so its time to clear some stuff out.
I'm not looking to get rich so I believe everything is priced pretty low.
Shoot me an e-mail should anyone be interested in photos or hooking up to
pick up.
Cheers,
Bari Stockton
-Thomson stem 5deg x 140mm x 25.4 $35
-Easton stem 10deg x 120mm x 25.4 $15
-Truvativ stem 12deg x 90mm x 25.4 $10
-Fizik Nisene wing flex MTB saddle, perfect $25
-Fizik Freek FR/DJ/DH saddle, perfect $15
-Transition Bike Co. flat pedals, pinned, green ano $25
-Transition Bike Co. Revolution AM32 disc wheels(set) mounted w/ Maxxis High
roller, QR front and rear $110
-Older set Shimano XT disc laced to Sun Sub IV, QR front an rear, smooth
$40
-Shimano wheel bags NEW $30
-Velocity Deep V (road) 700c, laced to XERO hub, Huthison Carbon Comp tire,
front only $20
-Yakima King Cobra upright bike mount, hold virtually any bike, great
condition $60
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:53:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Randy Dreiling
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] HB 3008 (license bicycles)
To: Andy Stahl
Cc: "obra@list.obra.org"
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I am in DC at the national bike summit and there will be a big increase in
funding bike transpo. As far this last e mail
Below is a VERY bad idea
It is not fair to rural town
60% of the people in Oakridge have around a 100 mile round trip every day
for work because there are no jobs in Oakridge plus there are many things
we have drive to Eugene to pay
Many people in rural Oregon are low income this would really hurt. I realize
in the city you bike everywhere it is NOT that way in rural Oregon
Some sort of weight/mileage scheme that taxes as a function of miles driven
and weight of vehicle (a surrogate for road damage caused) is likely to be
the long-term solution for highway funding.
A " clean tea" bill is proposed to adress this below and would set a side
10% of cap funds for bikes. Oberstar is pushing this
Although a carbon tax is good for the environment, it is unlikely to be a
source of transportation infrastructure funding as legislators will choose
to spend carbon tax money in other ways (i.e., per capita rebates, green
energy investments)a
Take and please remember not everyone lives in a big. We need solutions
that work for everyone
Take care
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:05:28 -0700
From: Andy Stahl
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] HB 3008 (license bicycles)
To: Randy Dreiling
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:09:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: Randy Dreiling
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Bike reg money
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I am NOT saying I am in favor of bike reg but I wanted to clear something up
The term "agent "just means whom processes the money. The BTA, state parks
or another possitive group could be an agent. It does not mean someones
bubby gets the funds
Just wanted to clear that up in case "agent" came up in possitive way in the
future
Take care
Sent from my iPhone
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:18:44 -0700
From: "Michael O'Hair"
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] HB 3008 (license bicycles)
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Don't forget the bottom line: The state needs money. Politicians are
looking for "painless" sources of revenue. Note: "Painless" means minimal
threat of being turned out of office. I really doubt that the funds
gathered from proposed bicycle tax will end up being put to use for bike
lanes and such. As soon as a "crisis" comes along, the money will be spent
on whatever project rolls the most logs
A highly biased opinion.
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:33:19 -0700
From: Michael Mann
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Bike reg money
To: Randy Dreiling
Cc: "obra@list.obra.org"
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"Agent" could even conceivably be your local bike shop. But it's still a bad
idea.
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Randy Dreiling wrote:
>
> I am NOT saying I am in favor of bike reg but I wanted to clear something
> up
>
> The term "agent "just means whom processes the money. The BTA, state parks
> or another possitive group could be an agent. It does not mean someones
> bubby gets the funds
>
> Just wanted to clear that up in case "agent" came up in possitive way in
> the future
>
> Take care
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:59:28 -0700
From: Pistis Mountain Bike Racing Team
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] HB 3008 (license bicycles)
To: , "obra@list.obra.org"
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My question is, would I have to register all 10 bikes in my house hold? My 5
mountain bikes (3 mine and 1 wife and 1 son) Only one of those even sees the
pavement (the one I ride to work). The others I drive to the dirt then ride.
I guess you could say but I drive my car to where I am going to ride. But I
already pay for that. Who do we need to call to make a stink with?
Cliff McCann
Pistis Ministries
Pistis.us
541-659-4104
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:16:14 -0700
To: obra@list.obra.org
From: andys@fseee.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] HB 3008 (license bicycles)
Dear Representative Holvey,
Three Republicans (Esquivel, Krieger, and Garrard) and one Democrat
(Schaufler) have proposed a biannual $54/bicycle license fee in HB 3008.
Fee revenue, net of collection costs, would be deposited in a Bicycle
Transportation Improvement Fund (BTIF) to finance bicycle lanes. The bill's
supporters believe that the users of bicycle lanes ought to pay the costs.
I expect a companion bill from these legislators requiring a pedestrian
license for everyone who walks (toddlers exempted, of course) to pay for
sidewalks.
There is no question that Oregon faces tough transportation funding policy
choices. Per capita gas consumption is declining modestly as fuel
efficiency increases slowly and, more significantly, due to the
recession/depression. Some sort of weight/mileage scheme that taxes as a
function of miles driven and weight of vehicle (a surrogate for road damage
caused) is likely to be the long-term solution for highway funding. In
addition, at the federal and/or state level there is likely to be a carbon
tax, encouraging high-mileage vehicles. Although a carbon tax is good for
the environment, it is unlikely to be a source of transportation
infrastructure funding as legislators will choose to spend carbon tax money
in other ways (i.e., per capita rebates, green energy investments).
There are 2.9 million adults in Oregon potentially subject to the proposed
bicycle license fee (bicycles owned by those under 18 would be exempt from
licensing under HB 3008). Let's assume that half own bicycles (I'll bet
it's actually higher than that). Annual license revenue would be $78
million, but the bill allows for a one-third collection cost, netting $52
million annually to the BTIF. The existing 1% state highway fund dedicated
to bicycle/pedestrian transportation has spent an average of $11.6 million a
year since 1990, and not more than $24 million in a single year. Thus HB
3008 would more than quadruple the existing state revenue spent on bicycle
infrastructure. Thus, if HB 3008 passes, the legislature would likely
repeal the 1% fund enacted in 1971, which may be precisely what HB 3008's
sponsors seek through this bill.
HB 3008 is an excellent example of two diametrically opposing views on the
purpose of taxes. In one camp are those who believe that tax policy should
be used to change behavior, either be rewarding good behavior or by
punishing bad behavior (e.g., sin taxes). In the other camp are those who
believe that tax policy should ensure that the beneficiaries of government
spending pay the freight. (Most tax policies do some of each.) The first
camp are called "liberals." The second camp are called "conservatives." By
this definition, HB 3008 falls squarely in the conservative camp -- it is
based on beneficiary-pays principles and punishes environmentally good
behavior by making bicycling more expensive. Like all sales and license
taxes, it is also regressive, taxing low-income people at a higher rate than
higher-income earners.
Unlike motor vehicle registration fees, which serve multiple purposes (e.g.,
government regulation, law enforcement, and taxation), HB 3008 seeks only to
raise revenue. There are no complementary government regulatory programs
benefitted by bicycle licensing and no law enforcment issues at stake, e.g.,
hit-and-run prosecution (the license of bicycles used in the commission of
crimes would not be visible to witnesses). The question for the legislature
is whether the bicycling benefits from the revenue raised by HB 3008 are
worth the negative incentive to bicycling from taxation. In other words,
does it make sense to raise money to build more bicycle infrastructure using
a taxing method that is likely to decrease bicycle participation?
Best regards,
Andy Stahl
82787 Jackson-Marlow Road
Eugene, OR 97405
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:05:46 -0700
From: Andy Stahl
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] HB 3008 (license bicycles)
To: Pistis Mountain Bike Racing Team ,
"obra@list.obra.org"
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:15:21 -0700
From: Andy Stahl
Subject: [OBRA Chat] HB 3008 (license bicycles)
To: rep.paulholvey@state.or.us
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 17:24:41 -0400
From: Brady Brady
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] HB 3008 (license bicycles)
To: Andy Stahl , Pistis Mountain Bike Racing Team
, "obra@list.obra.org"
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Just throwing this out there...
$27 per bike per year is the same that cars pay... and more that motorcycles
pay.
Saying that the money will go to fund cycling lanes and other bike-specific
facilities, etc. reeks of "separate but equal". We all know what a stellar
idea that was.
This bill is bad in many ways, and I will not register even ONE of our 10
bikes should it pass.
But, the way I see it, any of you who do elect to pay $27 per bike per year,
should the bill pass, would be buying yourself FULL rights on ALL roads at
ALL times. There won't be a need for bike lanes... take the lane everywhere
you please... and regardless of any bull**** that bureaucrats, cops, or
whoever may throw at you, it will not change the fact that you'll be paying
as much as any car for that right.
Brady
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Andy Stahl
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 2:06 PM
To: Pistis Mountain Bike Racing Team; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] HB 3008 (license bicycles)
HB 3008 requires registration only for bicycles ridden on state highways.
Bikes ridden in towns on city-owned roads would not need to be licensed, nor
would mountain bikes ridden only off-road. However, many roads that appear
to be city-owned are, in fact, state highways. On this basis alone the bill
is unworkable.
At 01:59 PM 3/11/2009, Pistis Mountain Bike Racing Team wrote:
My question is, would I have to register all 10 bikes in my house hold? My 5
mountain bikes (3 mine and 1 wife and 1 son) Only one of those even sees the
pavement (the one I ride to work). The others I drive to the dirt then ride.
I guess you could say but I drive my car to where I am going to ride. But I
already pay for that. Who do we need to call to make a stink with?
________________________________________________
Andy Stahl, Executive Director
Forest Service Employees for Environmental Ethics
P.O. Box 11615
Eugene, OR 97440
(541) 484-2692, 484-3004(FAX)
http://www.fseee.org
Note my new email address: andys@fseee.org
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:36:00 -0700
From: marco
Subject: [OBRA Chat] FS: nike gift cards
To: obra@list.obra.org
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this might be a little off-topic for the mailing list...?
i have two nike gift cards that can be used at any niketown, factory store,
employee store, or nike.com
one card is $240 credit, and i am selling for $220
the other card is $320 credit, and i am selling for $300
i will sell them both together for $500
i have the receipts, and am open to offers on the individual cards, but $500
is my bottom dollar for the two together.
520.975.0847 marco
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:49:00 -0700
From: marco
Subject: [OBRA Chat] FS: revised parts list...FINAL
To: obra@list.obra.org
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this is the last time i will post this (as everyone is probably sick of
seeing it), but this is what's left.
at this point (once again, as everyone has seen it), i will take best offer
on all items.
thanks to everyone for all the stuff you bought and your interest.
used deda 215 aluminum bars (ergo bend, 44cm c-to-c) $20
continental "grsnd prix 4000 sr" tubular 700x22 tire (brand new, in original
packaging) $60obo
used 2006 campagnolo ultra record front deraillleur (braze on) $35obo
shimano dura ace SPD-SL pedals (used, but in good condition) $50obo
if interested call me at 520.975.0847
i am located at NW Glisan and 23rd
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:50:25 -0700
From: Karen McRae
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Trek 1000, Kids Road Bike for Sale
To: obra@list.obra.org
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For Sale, Trek 1000, aluminum 24" wheel. Very good condition.
$450
Here is a link to the bike, Ours is a darker blue and a few years old
(hardly ridden the past two years). Great first bike!
http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/bikes/2007/archive/kdr1000
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:54:33 -0700
From: "Michael O'Hair"
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] HB 3008 (license bicycles)
To:
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Yet more questions.
Given that the bill doesn't apply to bicycles owned by minors (under 18),
what is the status of bicycles purchased by parents for their children? The
bike was purhased by an adult who is the de facto owner. Does the minor
have to be present at the time of purchase or in some way recorded as the
owner of record? Maybe photo ID?
What guarantee do we have that the tax money will be spent on "road
improvents" in the area where the taxed bike is ridden? E.g., If a bicycle
is purchased in Malheur county, will the tax proceeds be used in Malheur
County? ( Note: this is a shameless ploy to start inter-agency squabbling
over distribution of funds.)
If the bicycle is purchased with a Visa card, does the financial institution
that issued the card get the tax sticker/stamp?
For the lawyers in the group: Could a state mandate for license stickers
applied to a bicycle be attacked under a variant of the illegal search and
seizure concept? E.g., forcing someone to attach a sticker to their
pristine Eddy Merckx, thereby decreasing its value. ( Yes, another can of
legal worms.)
The last question is this: How many of you would accept a reasonable ($10?)
fee to be applied to your driver's license as a "bicycle endorsement?" (
I'm sure this will bring up such Orwellian things such as bicycle
proficiency testing.) The money raised would be used for bike lanes and
such, of course. (Note that OBRA and other such organizations would be a
good source for "proficiency testers.")
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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:00:43 -0700
From: "Michael O'Hair"
Subject: [OBRA Chat] weight rooms
To:
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A serious question. Does anyone in Portland know of a really cheap place to
lift weights? I'm past 60 and I have to pump some iron to slow down the
calcium loss inherent in aging and cycling. Note that I mean REALLY cheap.
I'm on a fixed income.
Reply off line.
Thanks.
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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 22:51:01 -0400
From: Brady Brady
Subject: [OBRA Chat] OT: FREE cell phone charger
To: "obra@list.obra.org"
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I found this during an all-too-infrequent cleaning out of my car. I would
prefer not to throw it away. Free to anyone who wants it.
Samsung Auto Cell Phone Charger - Model SAM530VPC (I don't even recall which
phones this works with.)
Brady
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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 02:55:56 +0000
From: Richard Haight
Subject: [OBRA Chat] For Sale- Zero Gravity Brakes
To: obra
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I bought these brakes after reading the reviews, etc.... they are:
"Zero Gravity Negative G" Brakes - here they are for $399
http://www.glorycycles.com/zegrnegti.html
They are on Ebay for $250 - 300
They are more rigid and beefier than the original Zero - Gravity Brakes, and
are still "super light, offer excellent modulation" , blah blah blah.
I don't like them. They have 100 miles on them. I have a hard time selling
something I can't endorse, but I see plenty of riders enjoying these. They
are way lighter than the usual suspects.
Does anyone out there want to make me an offer?
Richard
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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 23:07:31 -0400
From: Brady Brady
Subject: [OBRA Chat] OT: Remodelers: Free floor vents.
To: "obra@list.obra.org"
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Anyone out there remodeling? We redid our floors and no longer need these,
but don't want to pitch them as they are like new.
(3) 8"x10" metal floor vents
(1) 12"x30" (or 32", I can't tell how they measure these things as none of
the measurements are very precise...) metal floor return vent
These are white but would take paint without issues.
Brady
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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:08:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dan Watson
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] weight rooms
To: Michael O'Hair
Cc: ""
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One of the trainers on here(seth?) can sound off on this, but you need to do
weight bearing exercise like stair climbing, running, something with some
impact to help with the bone density, but I'm sure the weights won't hurt.
D
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 11, 2009, at 7:00 PM, "Michael O'Hair" wrote:
A serious question. Does anyone in Portland know of a really cheap place to
lift weights? I'm past 60 and I have to pump some iron to slow down the
calcium loss inherent in aging and cycling. Note that I mean REALLY cheap.
I'm on a fixed income.
Reply off line.
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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:29:12 -0700
From: "david baker"
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Horning's Hustle
To: "David Gustafson" ,
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My memory might be foggy as well, because I remember it being something like
this:
http://www.vimeo.com/609406
I am so psyched...
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From: "David Gustafson"
To:
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 9:36 PM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Horning's Hustle
> Is Horning's Hustle going to happen? I haven't seen any info yet. I'm not
> sure why I care. After the mud last year I said "Never again". My memory
> is pretty short though.
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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:39:32 -0700
From: Hazel
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] weight rooms
To: "Michael O'Hair"
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
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Matt Disman Community Center 77 NE Knott. $3-$3.50 walk-in to use the gym
and pool. It's even cheaper if you get a 10 pack or montly usage. I think
they even offer free or cheap consults with a trainer.
2009/3/11 Michael O'Hair
>
> A serious question. Does anyone in Portland know of a really cheap place
> to lift weights? I'm past 60 and I have to pump some iron to slow down
the
> calcium loss inherent in aging and cycling. Note that I mean REALLY
> cheap. I'm on a fixed income.
>
> Reply off line.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
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Message: 23
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 21:39:39 -0700
From: "Ron and Dorothy Strasser"
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] weight rooms
To: "Michael O'Hair" ,
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You could come to the Forest Park Conservancy work day on March 21st. That
would be FREE. I am a fine specimen (well kind of anyway) of a person that
has never lifted weights and have pretty good upper body strength. Trail
work is not only good upper body workout, but very good for flexibility.
And... even if a physical therapist (or occupational therapist like Dorothy)
were to chime in and tell me I was full of it, I would only agree if I knew
that I was just doing the same motion for too many reps. You can vary work
type when working on trails very easily. And you are outdoors in a
beautiful setting. Of course it might be cold/ht at times as it is not
indoors. Just my 2 cents.
ron
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael O'Hair
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 7:00 PM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] weight rooms
A serious question. Does anyone in Portland know of a really cheap place
to lift weights? I'm past 60 and I have to pump some iron to slow down the
calcium loss inherent in aging and cycling. Note that I mean REALLY cheap.
I'm on a fixed income.
Reply off line.
Thanks.
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Message: 24
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 21:48:28 -0700
From: "Ron and Dorothy Strasser"
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Horning's Hustle
To: "david baker" , "David Gustafson"
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Nice music and I wish I could ride that well. I am amazed how so many of
you have such great technical skills on bikes. Thanks for sharing.
ron
----- Original Message -----
From: "david baker"
To: "David Gustafson" ;
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 8:29 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Horning's Hustle
> My memory might be foggy as well, because I remember it being something
> like this:
> http://www.vimeo.com/609406
> I am so psyched...
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Gustafson"
> To:
> Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 9:36 PM
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Horning's Hustle
>
>
>> Is Horning's Hustle going to happen? I haven't seen any info yet. I'm not
>> sure why I care. After the mud last year I said "Never again". My memory
>> is pretty short though.
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Message: 25
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 21:51:02 -0700
From: Jeff Mitchem
Subject: [OBRA Chat] BB Volunteers Needed
To: obra@list.obra.org
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Volunteer and race for free at one BB or two Tues PIR and a free lunch.
Volunteer positions available this Sunday and next. Check the volunteer
schedule at reply if interested.
http://sites.google.com/site/bananabelt09/volunteer-schedule-4
Thanks for your support!
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Message: 26
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 22:08:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jennifer CArroll
Subject: [OBRA Chat] wtb: 700c tubular tire 20-23mm.
To: obra@list.obra.org
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I'm strapped for cash and was hoping someone had a spare tubie out there I
could possibly grab from them for cheap. if you have something please let me
know! it'll be greatly appreciated!!!!!!
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Message: 27
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 22:10:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: Clu Cotter
Subject: [OBRA Chat] wee cross bike
To: obra@list.obra.org
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I'm looking for a small cross bike for my son. 700c wheels ( so I can use
his for spares) but a short top tube, 52 or less. Complete bike or frameset.
Something kinda cool cuz he's going to have it for awhile and it will be his
road bike too. Thanks
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Message: 28
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 01:11:58 EDT
From: Trispoke@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] FW: HB 3008
To: obra@list.obra.org
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Here's a question:
Any idea why when I use the e-mail addresses from the legislative website
(e.g., sen.margaretcarter@state.or.us) I get a Mailer-Daemon bounceback?
Seems
like their website listing their email addresses might be correct. I mean
hey, I actually wrote my state senator and rep and then got bounced.
Cheers,
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Message: 29
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 22:16:11 -0700
From: "Mike Murray"
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Fixing tire sidewall damage?
To:
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Gluing some Tyvek from an old race number or envelope will fix this for a
while. In fact, I always keep a piece of Tyvek in my spare bag so I can use
it to make a temporary boot in case I get a casing cut out on the road. In
this case no glue is used. You can also make a boot for this using a piece
of an old tire. A tubular tire segment will work well. Regardless, only
use this for training tires and not for racing. Don't use a tire repaired
this way to take turns where a sudden flat will injure someone else.
Mike Murray
-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Troy Sexton
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 20:01 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Fixing tire sidewall damage?
Anybody have some tips for repairing a slice in the sidewall of a
clincher tire? I sliced it open falling off my rollers the other day,
and the tire is nearly new. The tube bulges out of the slice, even
with a standard tire patch over the hole on the inside.
Ideas?
Thanks
Troy
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Message: 30
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:55:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jay Rideout
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] HB 3008 (license bicycles)
To: andys@fseee.org, "obra@list.obra.org" , Pistis
Mountain Bike Racing Team
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Quote "Some sort of weight/mileage scheme that taxes as a function of miles
driven and weight of vehicle (a surrogate for road damage caused) is likely
to be the long-term solution for highway funding."
That part is simple... just raise the fuel tax. Big heavy vehicles pay more
and fuel efficient vehicles pay less.
and... concerning a bicycle license fees, maybe purchasing a bicycle lane
pass would be a better definition of a user fee.
Jay
--- On Wed, 3/11/09, Pistis Mountain Bike Racing Team
wrote:
> From: Pistis Mountain Bike Racing Team
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] HB 3008 (license bicycles)
> To: andys@fseee.org, "obra@list.obra.org"
> Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 1:59 PM
> My question is, would I have to register all 10 bikes in my
> house hold? My 5 mountain bikes (3 mine and 1 wife and 1
> son) Only one of those even sees the pavement (the one I
> ride to work). The others I drive to the dirt then ride. I
> guess you could say but I drive my car to where I am going
> to ride. But I already pay for that. Who do we need to call
> to make a stink with?
>
> Cliff McCann
> Pistis Ministries
> Pistis.us
> 541-659-4104
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:16:14 -0700
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> From: andys@fseee.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] HB 3008 (license bicycles)
>
> Dear Representative Holvey,
>
> Three Republicans (Esquivel, Krieger, and Garrard) and one
> Democrat (Schaufler) have proposed a biannual $54/bicycle
> license fee in HB 3008. Fee revenue, net of collection
> costs, would be deposited in a Bicycle Transportation
> Improvement Fund (BTIF) to finance bicycle lanes. The
> bill's supporters believe that the users of bicycle
> lanes ought to pay the costs. I expect a companion bill
> from these legislators requiring a pedestrian license for
> everyone who walks (toddlers exempted, of course) to pay for
> sidewalks.
>
> There is no question that Oregon faces tough transportation
> funding policy choices. Per capita gas consumption is
> declining modestly as fuel efficiency increases slowly and,
> more significantly, due to the recession/depression. Some
> sort of weight/mileage scheme that taxes as a function of
> miles driven and weight of vehicle (a surrogate for road
> damage caused) is likely to be the long-term solution for
> highway funding. In addition, at the federal and/or state
> level there is likely to be a carbon tax, encouraging
> high-mileage vehicles. Although a carbon tax is good for
> the environment, it is unlikely to be a source of
> transportation infrastructure funding as legislators will
> choose to spend carbon tax money in other ways (i.e., per
> capita rebates, green energy investments).
>
> There are 2.9 million adults in Oregon potentially subject
> to the proposed bicycle license fee (bicycles owned by those
> under 18 would be exempt from licensing under HB 3008).
> Let's assume that half own bicycles (I'll bet
> it's actually higher than that). Annual license revenue
> would be $78 million, but the bill allows for a one-third
> collection cost, netting $52 million annually to the BTIF.
> The existing 1% state highway fund dedicated to
> bicycle/pedestrian transportation has spent an average of
> $11.6 million a year since 1990, and not more than $24
> million in a single year. Thus HB 3008 would more than
> quadruple the existing state revenue spent on bicycle
> infrastructure. Thus, if HB 3008 passes, the legislature
> would likely repeal the 1% fund enacted in 1971, which may
> be precisely what HB 3008's sponsors seek through this
> bill.
>
> HB 3008 is an excellent example of two diametrically
> opposing views on the purpose of taxes. In one camp are
> those who believe that tax policy should be used to change
> behavior, either be rewarding good behavior or by punishing
> bad behavior (e.g., sin taxes). In the other camp are those
> who believe that tax policy should ensure that the
> beneficiaries of government spending pay the freight. (Most
> tax policies do some of each.) The first camp are called
> "liberals." The second camp are called
> "conservatives." By this definition, HB 3008
> falls squarely in the conservative camp -- it is based on
> beneficiary-pays principles and punishes environmentally
> good behavior by making bicycling more expensive. Like all
> sales and license taxes, it is also regressive, taxing
> low-income people at a higher rate than higher-income
> earners.
>
> Unlike motor vehicle registration fees, which serve
> multiple purposes (e.g., government regulation, law
> enforcement, and taxation), HB 3008 seeks only to raise
> revenue. There are no complementary government regulatory
> programs benefitted by bicycle licensing and no law
> enforcment issues at stake, e.g., hit-and-run prosecution
> (the license of bicycles used in the commission of crimes
> would not be visible to witnesses). The question for the
> legislature is whether the bicycling benefits from the
> revenue raised by HB 3008 are worth the negative incentive
> to bicycling from taxation. In other words, does it make
> sense to raise money to build more bicycle infrastructure
> using a taxing method that is likely to decrease bicycle
> participation?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Andy Stahl
> 82787 Jackson-Marlow Road
> Eugene, OR 97405
>
>
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Message: 31
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:33:54 -0400
From: Brady Brady
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Brown's/Scappoose/Syncline Trail Conditions?
To: "obra@list.obra.org"
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Has anybody ridden any of these lately (past week or two)? How were the
trail conditions?
Thanks... itching to ride!
Brady
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Message: 32
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:08:39 -0700
From: Kenji Sugahara
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] FW: HB 3008
To: Trispoke@aol.com
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Message-ID:
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Department of Administrative Services has been having issues with
their mail server.
Try again later today!
On Mar 11, 2009, at 10:11 PM, Trispoke@aol.com wrote:
> Here's a question:
> Any idea why when I use the e-mail addresses from the legislative
> website (e.g., sen.margaretcarter@state.or.us) I get a Mailer-Daemon
> bounceback? Seems like their website listing their email addresses
> might be correct. I mean hey, I actually wrote my state senator and
> rep and then got bounced.
> Cheers,
> Ian
>
>
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Message: 33
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 22:24:48 -0700
From: Jim Anderson
Subject: [OBRA Chat] FW: Travel Oregon Needs Your Help To Populate
State's New Bicycle Tourism Website
To: "obra@list.obra.org" , Potestio Architect
, Robert Anderson , BRAD
ROSS
, Chad Sperry , Porter
Childs
, Ayleen Crotty
,
Jonathan Maus , Patrick Marzullo
, "Russell @ Upper Echelon Fitness"
, David Guettler
, "ed@showerspass.com"
, Linda Watts , Joe King
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See below, important information for cycling related people in
Oregon...check it out...
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From: Linda Andrews
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 17:06:39 -0700
To: Linda Andrews
Conversation: Travel Oregon Needs Your Help To Populate State's New Bicycle
Tourism Website
Subject: Travel Oregon Needs Your Help To Populate State's New Bicycle
Tourism Website
If you have received this e-mail already, we apologize for sending it twice?
Travel Oregon needs your help to populate state's new bicycle tourism
website
Travel Oregon in partnership with Oregon's bicycle leaders and advocates is
developing a comprehensive website for cycling in Oregon. The website will
provide information on the state's best road cycling routes, mountain bike
trails, bike paths, bike-related events, and travel resources. Participants
of the 2008 Oregon Bike Summit suggested a comprehensive website dedicated
to biking in Oregon should be a top recreation and tourism development
priority for the state. Travel Oregon has taken this priority to heart and
will unveil a beta version of the site at the Oregon Bike Summit in Salem on
April 21, 2009 .
So far, we are off to a great start, but we need your help to identify
content for the new site! To help, you can: 1) fill out this survey
and/or 2) make
sure this survey gets into the hands of bicycling gurus, entrepreneurs,
business owners, and aficionados across the state of Oregon so that they can
fill it out. The survey collects information on the following to help us
populate the website prior to its launch:
1) Great road routes and trails for cycling
2) Bicycle related businesses (tour companies, bike shops, or other)
3) Events (races, rides educational, or otherwise bike-related)
4) Input on what kinds of support and/or emergency services cyclists would
like to have at their fingertips
Deadline to fill out the survey is April 1, 2009.
The survey is designed to provide our website production team at Substance
with content leads. The content leads that you provide in this survey will
be reviewed for suitability and if used for the site, edited and curated by
a content coordinator. Suitability is determined by criteria established by
Travel Oregon and Substance in consultation with the Bike Tourism Website
Steering Committee.
Please take the survey now or pass it on to anyone who you think could help
us populate the new online resource for biking in Oregon:
http://survey.findsubstance.com/bicycle-tourism-oregon/
Should you have any questions about the site, please contact:
Kristin Dahl, Tourism Development & Sustainability Manager, Travel Oregon
503.378.2104 or Kristin@TravelOregon.com
Should you have any trouble using the survey, or if you need a spreadsheet
to collect bulk submissions, please contact:
Lynn Twiss, Production Manager, Substance
503.445.0482 or Lynn@FindSubstance.com
Linda Andrews | Tourism Development Assistant
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Message: 34
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:40:02 -0700
From: davy
Subject: [OBRA Chat] cannondale caad 7 for sale dura ace 54cm $1000
o.b.o
To: obra@list.obra.org
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I am selling a used caad 7 cannondale with full 10spd dura ace, and a brand
new never been ridden full carbon fork. asking $1000
I wont be home until around 9:00 tonight.
you can call me at 916 248 0438
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Message: 35
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 09:19:12 -0700
From: "Michael O'Hair"
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] HB 3008 (license bicycles)
To:
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reply-type=original
As far as road damage is concerned, how about a serious tax/fee for studded
snow tires? I was walking yesterday and a huge 4WD SUV went by with brand
new studded tires.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay Rideout"
> Quote "Some sort of weight/mileage scheme that taxes as a function of
> miles driven and weight of vehicle (a surrogate for road damage caused) is
> likely to be the long-term solution for highway funding."
>
> That part is simple... just raise the fuel tax. Big heavy vehicles pay
> more and fuel efficient vehicles pay less.
>
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Message: 36
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 09:28:44 -0700
From: "Joe Cipale"
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] HB 3008 (license bicycles)
To: "Michael O'Hair"
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Message-ID: <200903121628.n2CGSiPm016279@sapphire.spiritone.com>
The more I read about what the Oregon Legislature submits/considers as
'Serious Legislation', the more convinced I am that they are clueless
imbeciles that would be better off stuffed off the coast on some uninhabited
island where the only people they can legislate over is themselves. Although
I seriosuly doubt they can even do that.
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Message: 37
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:39:27 -0700
From: Emily Martini
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Team Group Health Vest at BB1
To: obra@list.obra.org
Message-ID: <49b948cf6b68a_dd04406732fe416e8@lizard.obra.org.tmail>
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At the start of the women's race at BB1-my dear friend Jen handed me her TGH
vest to hold for her. I asked her where to put it-and she described to me
what I thought was her car-supposedly a lava sand Volvo. Well, I think I
messed up and it put in the roof of an Audi or Volkswagon...my knowledge of
foreign cars is not the best-nor the color lava sand. I am pretty sure I
can walk into the parking lot again this weekend and know exactly which car
I put it on...it was the roof of a wagon...maybe a silver Audi?!?
So-if you came back to your car and said-wow, someone left me a new TGH
vest, could you let me know-or put it in the lost and found in the OBRA
truck? That would be swell-and would save me from having Kenji email me and
asking me to return Jen's vest that I "borrowed".
You can reply offlist to this post, and I will forward it on to Jen.
EM
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