"hold your line!!"

Patrick Farrell

2002-03-04

As an ex-Cat. 2,my advice would be to do just go w/

the flow. Chances are the guy in front of u is

reacting to the guy in front of him and so on. As long

as nobody over reacts and keeps a cool head all will

be fine. Give the people in front of u the benefit of

the doubt because u don't know whats happening in

front of them. Don't panic, keep cool and all will be

well. Patrick Farell

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Eric, Kevin:

I apologize. I called somebody an "a__ hole" Sunday

in the 3s race.

Somebody asked "is that his new name? Or his old

one?" It was funny. We

were going up the last hill and whoever he was

decided to swing from the

white line on the right to the yellow line on the

left - - for no reason.

We were at least 10 riders back. He was not passing

anyone. He was not

attacking. He was not sprinting for the win. All

he did was make a bunch

of guys behind him hit their brakes because he

decided to swing across the

lane.



In that situation, I think we are both at fault. I

should not have sworn.

I admit I over-reacted to having to hit my brakes

while climbing. Yet, I

think he made a dangerous move at a time when it was

totally uncalled for.



But let's not over-react. We are amateurs. We do

this for fun. Some of us

are just 3s out there still learning and having a

good time. As long as we

all stay upright, and have fun . . .



Scott Powell

Team O





 From: Kevin Won <wo-@ohsu.edu>

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To: eric.k-@kingdesign.com, ob-@topica.com

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] "hold your line!!"

Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 09:12:04 -0800



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I completely disagree. Riding safe needs to be the

#1 priority of every

 racer in the peleton. this means that you ride a

straight line and when you

 are going to deviate from this that you make sure

that your actions do not

 cause a crash behind you. Drop-Kicking, erratic

behaviour, trying to get

 inbetween people when the gap is too small, etc,

isn't good for anyone. I'd

 take a guess that 95+% of crashes are caused by bad

biking, not some

 environmental aspect.



When you make it to the pro's, then you can play

the 'who ever wins is

 right' game--I'm sure you will have lots of friends

in the pro peleton.

 

Hold your line.



kevin



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I heard a lot of "hold your line, ***hole!" this

weekend while racing.

 Something I read by Ferretti once was "who ever

wins is right" regarding

 holding your line. I heard a variation on that this

weekend when someone

 said "who ever is in front is right". I did see

some twitchy riding this

 weekend but I also heard a few people demanding the

rider in front to hold

 their line in inappropriate situations. If you are

sprinting to the line

 and

I am trying to come around you, then isn't it my

challenge to find the way

 around without asking you to stay in the same spot?

I mean you are trying

 to get around the guy in front of you too. is this

not part of sprinting,

 how can I ask you to stay behind that guy so I have

a cleaner line? I don't

 think I can!



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2002-03-04

Eric, Kevin:

I apologize. I called somebody an "a__ hole" Sunday in the 3s race.

Somebody asked "is that his new name? Or his old one?" It was funny. We

were going up the last hill and whoever he was decided to swing from the

white line on the right to the yellow line on the left - - for no reason.

We were at least 10 riders back. He was not passing anyone. He was not

attacking. He was not sprinting for the win. All he did was make a bunch

of guys behind him hit their brakes because he decided to swing across the

lane.



In that situation, I think we are both at fault. I should not have sworn.

I admit I over-reacted to having to hit my brakes while climbing. Yet, I

think he made a dangerous move at a time when it was totally uncalled for.



But let's not over-react. We are amateurs. We do this for fun. Some of us

are just 3s out there still learning and having a good time. As long as we

all stay upright, and have fun . . .



Scott Powell

Team O





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Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 09:12:04 -0800



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I completely disagree. Riding safe needs to be the #1 priority of every

racer in the peleton. this means that you ride a straight line and when you

are going to deviate from this that you make sure that your actions do not

cause a crash behind you. Drop-Kicking, erratic behaviour, trying to get

inbetween people when the gap is too small, etc, isn't good for anyone. I'd

take a guess that 95+% of crashes are caused by bad biking, not some

environmental aspect.



When you make it to the pro's, then you can play the 'who ever wins is

right' game--I'm sure you will have lots of friends in the pro peleton.



Hold your line.



kevin



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I heard a lot of "hold your line, ***hole!" this weekend while racing.

Something I read by Ferretti once was "who ever wins is right" regarding

holding your line. I heard a variation on that this weekend when someone

said "who ever is in front is right". I did see some twitchy riding this

weekend but I also heard a few people demanding the rider in front to hold

their line in inappropriate situations. If you are sprinting to the line

and

I am trying to come around you, then isn't it my challenge to find the way

around without asking you to stay in the same spot? I mean you are trying

to get around the guy in front of you too. is this not part of sprinting,

how can I ask you to stay behind that guy so I have a cleaner line? I don't

think I can!



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Kevin Won

2002-03-04

I completely disagree. Riding safe needs to be the #1 priority of every racer in the peleton. this means that you ride a straight line and when you are going to deviate from this that you make sure that your actions do not cause a crash behind you. Drop-Kicking, erratic behaviour, trying to get inbetween people when the gap is too small, etc, isn't good for anyone. I'd take a guess that 95+% of crashes are caused by bad biking, not some environmental aspect.



When you make it to the pro's, then you can play the 'who ever wins is right' game--I'm sure you will have lots of friends in the pro peleton.



Hold your line.



kevin



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I heard a lot of "hold your line, ***hole!" this weekend while racing.

Something I read by Ferretti once was "who ever wins is right" regarding

holding your line. I heard a variation on that this weekend when someone

said "who ever is in front is right". I did see some twitchy riding this

weekend but I also heard a few people demanding the rider in front to hold

their line in inappropriate situations. If you are sprinting to the line and

I am trying to come around you, then isn't it my challenge to find the way

around without asking you to stay in the same spot? I mean you are trying

to get around the guy in front of you too. is this not part of sprinting,

how can I ask you to stay behind that guy so I have a cleaner line? I don't

think I can!



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sn-@ccountry.net

2002-03-04

I think the problem is in early season races many riders have been riding their

indoor trainers. Well... indoor trainers don't "steer" so you get used to your

bike going straight without effort. Additionally, if you are like me, your rain

bike has a pitted headset so it steers by itself as well. Be patient in the

early season races while riders get accustomed to their bikes that steer. (by

the way I am teasin' here for all you serious types, so I have no sources to

cite).



Finally, I agree with the phrase "the one in front is right", however, being in

front has some responsibilities like not riding other racers into parked cars

etc. For the most part, if you don't like the line of the rider in front of

you, go around. And in a sprint, well if the move is not abrupt, all is fair.



Richard Randleman



eric.k-@kingdesign.com

2002-03-04

I heard a lot of "hold your line, ***hole!" this weekend while racing.

Something I read by Ferretti once was "who ever wins is right" regarding

holding your line. I heard a variation on that this weekend when someone

said "who ever is in front is right". I did see some twitchy riding this

weekend but I also heard a few people demanding the rider in front to hold

their line in inappropriate situations. If you are sprinting to the line and

I am trying to come around you, then isn't it my challenge to find the way

around without asking you to stay in the same spot? I mean you are trying

to get around the guy in front of you too. is this not part of sprinting,

how can I ask you to stay behind that guy so I have a cleaner line? I don't

think I can!