OBRA: OBRA Chat: Advice on Tape v. Glue on a...

biketroy@comcast.net

2009-04-20

I've never rolled a glued tire, rolled two taped tire. Even using the glue and tape method. It takes a little time to do it right but how much is road rash worth to you?

Troy

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From: "scott hill"
To: "Don Hanson" , "Jerald M Powell"
Cc: obra@list.obra.org, "Michael Horwitz"
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 4:30:52 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Advice on Tape v. Glue on a Zipp 404

i agree, just take the extra 5 min and glue the tire on.

scott

--- On Mon, 4/20/09, Jerald M Powell wrote:

From: Jerald M Powell
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Advice on Tape v. Glue on a Zipp 404
To: "Don Hanson"
Cc: obra@list.obra.org, "Michael Horwitz"
Date: Monday, April 20, 2009, 3:38 PM

Pay particular attention to the comment "really difficult to clean it off the rim". Tub-Tape nearly welds the base tape to the rim. Unmounting a tire is nearly impossible.

On Apr 20, 2009, at 1:13 PM, Don Hanson wrote:

Tape is a little easier, not much. Difficult to get the tire straight with tape and really difficult to clean it off the rim next time you need another tire. I use tape if I am away at a race or something, glue the rest of the time.
Don Hanson

On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Michael Horwitz < mhorwitz@capitalpacific.com > wrote:

I was told by a shop that I should only use glue but I would prefer tape as it is easier.
Any advice?

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Lake Oswego, Oregon 97035
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Devin Flynn

2009-04-20

When the Handbuilt bike show came to town last year Zipp was there. I talked to them about using Tufo tape on their carbon rims. They said they didn't recommend it at all with their carbon rims. I since went to glue and haven't looked back. Glue is better for me if for no other reason than the piece of mind I have.

Devin Flynn
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--- On Mon, 4/20/09, scott hill wrote:

From: scott hill
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Advice on Tape v. Glue on a Zipp 404
To: "Don Hanson" , "Jerald M Powell"
Cc: obra@list.obra.org, "Michael Horwitz"
Date: Monday, April 20, 2009, 2:30 PM

i agree, just take the extra 5 min and glue the tire on.

scott

--- On Mon, 4/20/09, Jerald M Powell wrote:

From: Jerald M Powell
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Advice on Tape v. Glue on a Zipp 404
To: "Don Hanson"
Cc: obra@list.obra.org, "Michael Horwitz"
Date: Monday, April 20, 2009, 3:38 PM

Pay particular attention to the comment "really difficult to clean it off the rim". Tub-Tape nearly welds the base tape to the rim. Unmounting a tire is nearly impossible.

On Apr 20, 2009, at 1:13 PM, Don Hanson wrote:

Tape is a little easier, not much. Difficult to get the tire straight with tape and really difficult to clean it off the rim next time you need another tire. I use tape if I am away at a race or something, glue the rest of the time.
Don Hanson

On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Michael Horwitz wrote:

I was told by a shop that I should only use glue but I would prefer tape as it is easier.
Any advice?

Michael Horwitz
503.675.8381
4260 Galewood Street, Suite A
Lake Oswego, Oregon 97035
Fax: 503/ 675.8379

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scott hill

2009-04-20

i agree, just take the extra 5 min and glue the tire on.

scott

--- On Mon, 4/20/09, Jerald M Powell wrote:

From: Jerald M Powell
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Advice on Tape v. Glue on a Zipp 404
To: "Don Hanson"
Cc: obra@list.obra.org, "Michael Horwitz"
Date: Monday, April 20, 2009, 3:38 PM

Pay particular attention to the comment "really difficult to clean it off the rim". Tub-Tape nearly welds the base tape to the rim. Unmounting a tire is nearly impossible.

On Apr 20, 2009, at 1:13 PM, Don Hanson wrote:

Tape is a little easier, not much. Difficult to get the tire straight with tape and really difficult to clean it off the rim next time you need another tire. I use tape if I am away at a race or something, glue the rest of the time.
Don Hanson

On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Michael Horwitz wrote:

I was told by a shop that I should only use glue but I would prefer tape as it is easier.
Any advice?

Michael Horwitz
503.675.8381
4260 Galewood Street, Suite A
Lake Oswego, Oregon 97035
Fax: 503/ 675.8379

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J.Michael Manning

2009-04-20

Hello Michael,

I have no experience with tape, but lots of experience with glue. I have always preferred tubulars and I have found that taking the time to brush on the glue and keep the application clean provides a great contact base. In 25 years of crit races, I have never rolled a tire. Here is another opinion from someone else who has little experience with tape, but certainly has more expertise than I do. Lennard Zinn of VeloNews:

"I have not used the TUFO tape, but I know people whose opinions I trust who rave about it, and having glued a lot of tires in my life, the concept greatly appeals to me. That said, in the winter of 1981-1982, when I was riding cyclocross in Germany, I used tubular rim tape that was available then and found it to not stick as well as glue, but I never rolled a tire with it, despite extremely muddy conditions.For those not familiar with the TUFO tape, it is double-sided tape with a plastic strip covering each sticky side. You peel off one plastic strip and stick the tape down to the rim, fold over a corner of the top plastic strip so that it sticks out to the side, mount the tire on the rim and inflate it to low pressure. With the plastic strip allowing the base tape to slip around on it, you can now center the tire up easily without the hassle required when glue on the base tape and the rim is reluctant to yield to your efforts at repositioning the tire. Once the tire is centered, I understand that you can yank the remaining plastic strip out from under the tire without de-positioning it. You then inflate it fully and can go riding immediately, rather than leaving it to sit overnight for a proper bond. My friend Steve Hed swears by TUFO tape, and he certainly has a ton of experience with lots of riders using his tubular wheels. However, every team mechanic I saw at the Tour de France and Giro d Italia this year was gluing tires the usual way, by brushing on glue. Personally, I cannot imagine that the tape can hold as well as a really good, multi-layer glue job, and it is narrower than the rim, so it does not cover as much surface area as an edge-to-edge glue job. But I have to believe that it sticks sufficiently well, or I would not hear so much good feedback about it. Nobody has told me about problems they have had with rolling a tire when using it, and not too many riders have a mechanic to glue their tires for them."

I have to agree with Dan the Repairman that tape is for emergencies. I know from a previous conversation we had that you are thinking about how to handle an emergency while racing in a triathlon, and carrying an extra tubular does not sound appealing. Whether you go with glue or tape, you are still faced with having to carry a spare tire. But, if you find yourself having to change a tubular mid-race, you will find that it's much quicker to just rip the flat tire off the rim and slap on an old tire than to tape a new tubular on. That old tire should have plenty of glue residue and will hold up just fine. Besides you won't be cornering hard in a triathlon. Stick with glue and enjoy the satisfaction of knowing you have spent some time creating your perfect ride.

Regards,

J. Michael Manning

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 13:07:30 -0700
From: mhorwitz@capitalpacific.com
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Advice on Tape v. Glue on a Zipp 404

I was told by a shop that I should only use glue but I would prefer tape as it is easier.
Any advice?

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Lake Oswego, Oregon 97035
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Jerald M Powell

2009-04-20

Pay particular attention to the comment "really difficult to clean it
off the rim". Tub-Tape nearly welds the base tape to the rim.
Unmounting a tire is nearly impossible.
On Apr 20, 2009, at 1:13 PM, Don Hanson wrote:

> Tape is a little easier, not much. Difficult to get the tire
> straight with tape and really difficult to clean it off the rim next
> time you need another tire. I use tape if I am away at a race or
> something, glue the rest of the time.
> Don Hanson
>
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Michael Horwitz > wrote:
> I was told by a shop that I should only use glue but I would prefer
> tape as it is easier.
>
> Any advice?
>
>
>
>
> Michael Horwitz
> 503.675.8381
> 4260 Galewood Street, Suite A
> Lake Oswego, Oregon 97035
> Fax: 503/ 675.8379
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Dan H

2009-04-20

Tape is not wide enough to go to the edge of the rim and the tire can lift off part way. I like my tires on all the way. Rolling resistance tests show poorly glued tires have more mechanical resistance than well glued tires.
Save the tape for times when you have to mount a tire in a hurry.
Don is right about tape being a hassle to remove. Blisters will result.
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From: Michael Horwitz
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 1:07 PM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Advice on Tape v. Glue on a Zipp 404

I was told by a shop that I should only use glue but I would prefer tape as it is easier.

Any advice?

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Don Hanson

2009-04-20

Tape is a little easier, not much. Difficult to get the tire straight with
tape and really difficult to clean it off the rim next time you need another
tire. I use tape if I am away at a race or something, glue the rest of the
time.
Don Hanson

On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Michael Horwitz <
mhorwitz@capitalpacific.com> wrote:

> I was told by a shop that I should only use glue but I would prefer tape
> as it is easier.
>
> Any advice?
>
>
>
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Michael Horwitz

2009-04-20

I was told by a shop that I should only use glue but I would prefer tape
as it is easier.

Any advice?

________________________________

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