Bari and Christi Stockton
Sorry Evan, that last email was sent without double checking my dates. The
next weekend that I work is on the 9th and 10th.
-Bari
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> 1. Just 13 Days Away -- Eric Kautzky Memorial Track Race
> (Darell C. Provencher)
> 2. FS:Mavic Ksyrium Elite Wheelset (Murray Carlisle)
> 3. Women's track clinic-Thanks!! (Meg Mautner)
> 4. FS: Kestral Evoke Carbon Frame and Fork 56cm - $600 (Bill Zale)
> 5. Missing multitool, bear springs trap (kendal johnson)
> 6. Re: Missing multitool, bear springs trap (Rick C Johnson)
> 7. Announcement: Sec. of Transportation Backs Bikes (Randy Dreiling)
> 8. NEW WTB Devo Cro-Mo Saddle - $30.00 (Eric Taylor)
> 9. NEW Crank Brothers Smarty MTB Pedals - $35.00 (Eric Taylor)
> 10. Specialized Berm Adaptalite MTB Optics - $79 (Eric Taylor)
> 11. Photos (EDWARD NORTON)
> 12. FS: saddles, aerobars (Jonathan Vinson)
> 13. Cannondale CADD4 R4000 Road Bike with DURA ACE 9 Speed
> Groupo, STI, and Many Upgrades - For Sale - 66 CM / 34 Inch
> (Dave Johnson)
> 14. WTB PowerTap (Ryan)
> 15. Bear Springs Trap XC coverage & photos (Pat Malach)
> 16. STOL:EN: Green Bianchi San Jose (Nathan Frechen)
> 17. FS: Easton carbon road fork $150 obo (ron dean)
> 18. up front (Like toPedal)
> 19. Re: up front (gary johnson)
> 20. Re: up front (luelling@gmail.com)
> 21. Re: up front (joe cipale)
> 22. Re: up front (Pistis Mountain Bike Racing Team)
> 23. Re: Up Front... (Jeff Edes)
> 24. Re: up front (Rick C Johnson)
> 25. Re: no snow for Jedi (will)
> 26. Water bottle cap? Do they exist? (Brian Johnson)
> 27. Belgium's PIR (Joel Morrissette)
> 28. FS: 2003 Santa Cruz Superlight Medium (juan cagampang)
> 29. Re: Up Front... (Rick Johnson)
> 30. Re: up front (Ron and Dorothy Strasser)
> 31. Re: Up Front... (Ken MTBDEMON)
> 32. Re: no snow for Jedi (Ron and Dorothy Strasser)
> 33. Re: Belgium's PIR (jboquiren@comcast.net)
> 34. Re: up front (Don Leet)
> 35. Re: up front (clay161@juno.com)
> 36. WTB: Selle Italia SLK saddle (Johnny .)
> 37. Re: up front (Ben Fischler)
> 38. Re: Belgium's PIR (Michael O'Hair)
> 39. Re: up front (Jason Shucker)
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 14:30:12 -0700
> From: "Darell C. Provencher"
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Just 13 Days Away -- Eric Kautzky Memorial Track
> Race
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> We are only 13 days away from the first mass-start track races of the
> season! And here's what you'll find at the fourth annual Eric Kautzky
> Memorial Track Race on Saturday, May 9 , at the Alpenrose Velodrome.
> Remember, net proceeds will be donated to the Eric Kautzky Memorial
> Scholarship Fund at Tigard High School (home of the Tigard Tigers) .
>
> Approximately $2300 in Prizes and Merchandise:
>
> + Hincapie Sportswear custom-designed jerseys for each category omnium
> winner. See the jersey that honors Eric's career at Tigard High School at
> www.teamrosecity.org
>
> + Nike Livestrong tees or hats and other misc Nike merchandise.
>
> + Gift certificates from bicyclinghub.com -- www.bicyclinghub.com
>
> + Mary Kay sunscreen and skincare products
>
> + River City water bottles and blue ribbons for our Kiddie Kilo
> competitors!
>
> And many thanks to River City Bicycles and Veloforma for their
> behind-the-scenes support for our event and the Eric Kautzky Memorial
> Scholarship Fund.
>
> Want to know more about the Eric Kautzky Memorial Track Race? Visit our
> Team
> Rose City website:
>
> http://www.teamrosecity.org/
>
> or check out OBRA at
>
> http://www.obra.org/track/flyers/2009/eric_kautzky_track_race.html
>
> See you there!
>
> Our Sponsors:
>
> River City Bicycles
> Hincapie Sportswear
> Nike
> Veloforma
> Mary Kay
>
> --
> Note NEW email address is darellp@easystreet.net -- no longer .com
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 16:05:41 -0700
> From: Murray Carlisle
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] FS:Mavic Ksyrium Elite Wheelset
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Message-ID: <49f4e8c5c2f48_2c99405687b682560@lizard.obra.org.tmail>
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> Barely used (less than 10 rides) Elite wheelset. In excellent condition.
> 8/9/10 speed compatible. Shimano.
>
> $325 OBO
>
> Please contact me off the list if you're interested.
>
>
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>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 17:05:10 -0700
> From: Meg Mautner
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Women's track clinic-Thanks!!
> To: obra_women@list.obra.org, OBRA
> Message-ID: <5B7AFB59-EB90-4C48-B2DF-85E79A777166@comcast.net>
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> A big thank you to all the women who came out to Alpenrose to learn
> to ride the track! We had 22 riders show up and all are now
> successful track riders (and they all left with smiles).
>
> Of course, this wouldn't have happened without a big bunch of help.
> So here's a shout out to the following:
>
> Bike Central for sponsoring the event (thanks Dean & Jen!!)
> Steve Garcia (wrenching & herding riders)
> Candi Murray (more herding & all around helping)
> Team Beer (volunteering & heckling)
> Jen Featheringill (instructor)
> Lynn Hughes-Godfrey (instructor)
> Brian Abers (instructor)
> Curtis Bergquist (instructor)
> Zak Kovalcik (instructor & birthday boy)
> Anna Knoblock (instructor)
> Mark Godfrey (taking pictures)
> Sweetpea Baking (donating yummy cupcakes)
>
> My apologies if I forgot someone.
>
> If you weren't able to make it out today, track classes start on
> Wed., 4/29. Check out the flyer at: http://www.obra.org/track/flyers/
> 2009/wednesdays.html
>
> Thanks again!!
>
> Meg
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 18:46:44 -0700
> From: Bill Zale
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] FS: Kestral Evoke Carbon Frame and Fork 56cm -
> $600
> To: obra@list.obra.org
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> Kestral Evoke Carbon Frame and Fork 56cm
>
> Great 2006 road frame, in great condition with very low miles. All carbon
> frame with carbon fork. Top tube measures 56cm. Very cool colors and
> graphics. Includes alloy post and crane creek integrated headset. More
> info at http://www.kestrelbicycles.com/Road/Evoke.aspx
>
> Upgrade your aluminum frame to carbon for $600!
> Also on craigslist -
> http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/1141645780.html
> Thanks
>
> Email for more info
>
> Bill
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 19:48:03 -0700
> From: kendal johnson
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Missing multitool, bear springs trap
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Message-ID: <49f51ce399519_2c99405bc4c3426f2@lizard.obra.org.tmail>
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> I lost a multi tool, a topeak alien, black and silver, two piece, has
> chainbreaker, multiple wrenches, somewhere on the cat 1 course. Please let
> me know if you found a multitool. Thank you
>
> Kendalj@bendbroadband.com
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 07:52:58 -0700
> From: Rick C Johnson
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Missing multitool, bear springs trap
> To: kendal johnson
> Cc: obra@list.obra.org
> Message-ID: <49F5C6CA.6030902@gmail.com>
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> I think I saw it in the snow section...
> :-D
>
> Rick Johnson
> Bend, Oregon
>
> "Those who cannot remember the past, are condemned to repeat it" - George
> Santayana
>
>
>
> kendal johnson wrote:
>
>>I lost a multi tool, a topeak alien, black and silver, two piece, has
>>chainbreaker, multiple wrenches, somewhere on the cat 1 course. Please let
>>me know if you found a multitool. Thank you
>>
>>Kendalj@bendbroadband.com
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 19:59:49 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Randy Dreiling
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Announcement: Sec. of Transportation Backs Bikes
> To: obra@list.obra.org, disciplesofdirt@yahoogroups.com
> Message-ID: <659458.45034.qm@web53004.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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> This is encouraging.
> I heard him speak at the national bike summit and he is really supportive
> of biking, he likes to ride his local rails to trails.
>
> What is also great is he is a republican...it is nice to see some of them
> back biking too...it will take both sides to move things forward.
>
> This is a great link to an inspirational piece regarding the new Secretary
> of Transportation and his position on bicyles as transportation.
>
> Thanks for reading.
>
> http://fastlane.dot.gov/2009/04/bicycling-is-an-important-factor-in-less-carbonintensive-commuting.html
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 20:16:15 -0700
> From: Eric Taylor
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] NEW WTB Devo Cro-Mo Saddle - $30.00
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Message-ID: <49f5237fe8d15_2c99405c48afc275c@lizard.obra.org.tmail>
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> Brand new light weight race saddle off my mountain bike. 0 miles, switched
> for my trusty specialized saddle. e-mail with any questions.
>
> http://eugene.craigslist.org/bik/1141759239.html
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 20:17:47 -0700
> From: Eric Taylor
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] NEW Crank Brothers Smarty MTB Pedals - $35.00
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Message-ID: <49f523db21166_2ca240b0ca81429e9@lizard.obra.org.tmail>
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> Brand new crank brothers pedals off my new MTB. Still in the OEM
> packaging. I ride times so these have got to go! e-mail with any
> questions.
>
> http://eugene.craigslist.org/bik/1141756023.html
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 20:19:17 -0700
> From: Eric Taylor
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Specialized Berm Adaptalite MTB Optics - $79
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Message-ID: <49f5243533b4_2ca240b260f203065@lizard.obra.org.tmail>
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> Great chance to get a set off light changing off road optics. See
> craigslist ad for description.
>
> http://eugene.craigslist.org/spo/1141768652.html
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 20:21:19 -0700
> From: EDWARD NORTON
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Photos
> To: obra
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>
> OBRA LAND
> Sorry for being slow. Been busy with family and I've only been to one
> race(Sublimity), track clean up day and women beginners day on the track.
> Will try harder to get out. web.mac.com/stoppingtime/Site/Welcome.html
> Ed Norton
> 503-625-0345 hm
> 503-781-1924 cell
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> Message: 12
> Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 21:23:32 -0700
> From: Jonathan Vinson
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] FS: saddles, aerobars
> To: obra
> Message-ID:
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> Fizik Pave sport. One season of cross racing; still looks new. $10
>
> Selle San Marco Ischia women's saddle. Hardly ridden; taken off new
> tandem. Looks like this:
> http://www.bikesomewhere.com/bikesomewhere.cfm/productLarge/25/1703/14754?i=default
> $5
>
> Terry Liberator. One of the early models for women. Big and heavy with a
> great big cut-out. $5.
>
> Profile design air stryke aerobars with flip-up elbow pads. Will fit
> standard diameter bars only. $15
>
> Cheers,
> JV
> jvbiker-at-gmail-dot-com
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> Message: 13
> Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 21:48:40 -0700
> From: Dave Johnson
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Cannondale CADD4 R4000 Road Bike with DURA ACE 9
> Speed Groupo, STI, and Many Upgrades - For Sale - 66 CM / 34 Inch
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Message-ID: <49f539285a242_2c994060d098028dc@lizard.obra.org.tmail>
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> Gallery: http://www.davejohnson.me/dnn
>
> Cannondale CADD4 R4000 Road Bike with DURA ACE 9 Speed Groupo, STI, and
> Many Upgrades - For Sale - 66 CM / 34 Inch Standover
> I bought this bike with the intention of moving the Shimano DURA ACE
> components (full DURA ACE Groupo) to a different frame, but have decided
> to sell the bike instead. This bike has less than 100 miles on it, and is
> in just out of the box condition.
>
> The frame is Cannondale's legendary CADD4 aluminum that makes it
> exceptionally light and responsive when you mash on the pedals. This is
> one fast bike.
>
> This is a BIG Bike!
> The bike is sized for someone considerably larger than myself, with a
> stand over clearance on the top tube of 34 inches, and the crank to top of
> seat tube dimension is 66 cm - not for a guy like me with a 30-inch
> inseam...
>
> All of the components on the bike are the best that money can buy:
>
> -Full DURA ACE 9 speed groupo including brakes and STI shifters,
> -Campagnolo Record Carbon Fiber Seatpost,
> -Selle Italia leather seat with Carbon Fiber Rails,
> -Mavic CXP 30 Aero rims with machined braking surfaces,
> -LOOK Clipless Pedals,
> -Deda Aluminum Alloy Stem,
> -Cinelli bars,
> -Continental Folding Kevlar Tires,
> -Elite color coordinated aluminum bottle cages.
>
> First come, first served - email me - the complete bike is $899 - I have
> been told that it is worth more than that just for the groupo.
>
>
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>
> Message: 14
> Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 22:06:54 -0700
> From: Ryan
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] WTB PowerTap
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Message-ID: <49f53d6e66ade_2c9f40b5f6f2c2015@lizard.obra.org.tmail>
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> I'm looking for a 700c PowerTap wheel, preferably wireless, but wired is
> fine too. I need it to have the HR function as well.
>
> Anyone need some extra bucks!
>
> Tell me what you got! -Ryan
>
>
>
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> Message: 15
> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 01:47:31 -0700
> From: Pat Malach
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Bear Springs Trap XC coverage & photos
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Message-ID: <49f57123a30e0_2c9f40b72b62c21f9@lizard.obra.org.tmail>
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> You can find coverage of the Bear Springs Trap cross country race @
>
> http://www.oregoncyclingaction.com/
>
> More photos will be posted online Monday afternoon.
>
>
>
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> Message: 16
> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 05:37:41 -0700
> From: Nathan Frechen
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] STOL:EN: Green Bianchi San Jose
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Message-ID: <49f5a715bc777_2c994060ddf4029cd@lizard.obra.org.tmail>
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> My grocery getter got ripped off sometime between Thursday evening and
> last night, not sure when. It was out on the porch, locked up
> (unfortunately only with a cable lock). Green Bianchi San Jose, 55cm,
> singlespeed with cross tires, flat pedals, front basket, fenders with
> mudflaps, goofy Dirt Drop-style handlebars, "TEAM BEER" and "OBRA"
> stickers on top tube. If seen, please email me at nathanfrechen AT
> yahoo.com, I'll make it worth your while.
>
> Thanks,
> Nathan
>
>
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> Message: 17
> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 08:30:29 -0700
> From: ron dean
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] FS: Easton carbon road fork $150 obo
> To: obra@list.obra.org
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> FS: Easton EC90SL carbon road fork. Used for < 100 miles. Steer tube 10
> 3/8
> inches. Like new. $150 obo.
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> Message: 18
> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 09:31:50 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Like toPedal
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] up front
> To: obra@list.obra.org
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> i would like to encourage promoters to be up front and open about any
> extraordinary conditions of their races. thereby allowing racers to
> properly prepare for those extraordinary elements in your race.
>
> Bear Springs had way too much snow. that should have been clearly pointed
> out in the days before the event.
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> Message: 19
> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 16:34:16 +0000
> From: gary johnson
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] up front
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> Oh please, really?
>
>
>
> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 09:31:50 -0700
> From: like2pedal@rocketmail.com
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] up front
>
>
>
>
>
> i would like to encourage promoters to be up front and open about any
> extraordinary conditions of their races. thereby allowing racers to
> properly prepare for those extraordinary elements in your race.
>
> Bear Springs had way too much snow. that should have been clearly pointed
> out in the days before the event.
>
>
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> Message: 20
> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 16:38:05 +0000
> From: luelling@gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] up front
> To: OBRA
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> I agree. I prefer to ride my bike, not run and had I known how much snow
> was on the course I would have skipped this race.
>
> Brett
>
> On Apr 27, 2009 9:31am, Like toPedal wrote:
>> i would like to encourage promoters to be up front and open about any
>> extraordinary conditions of their races. thereby allowing racers to
>> properly prepare for those extraordinary elements in your race.
>
>> Bear Springs had way too much snow. that should have been clearly pointed
>> out in the days before the event.
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> Message: 21
> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 09:37:15 -0700
> From: joe cipale
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] up front
> To: luelling@gmail.com
> Cc: OBRA
> Message-ID: <1240850236.17081.5.camel@humboldt.penguinix>
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> must... control... fingers... of... rage...
>
> On Mon, 2009-04-27 at 16:38 +0000, luelling@gmail.com wrote:
>> I agree. I prefer to ride my bike, not run and had I known how much
>> snow was on the course I would have skipped this race.
>>
>> Brett
>>
>> On Apr 27, 2009 9:31am, Like toPedal
>> wrote:
>> > i would like to encourage promoters to be up front and open about
>> any extraordinary conditions of their races. thereby allowing racers
>> to properly prepare for those extraordinary elements in your race.
>> >
>> > Bear Springs had way too much snow. that should have been clearly
>> pointed out in the days before the event.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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> Message: 22
> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 09:51:42 -0700
> From: Pistis Mountain Bike Racing Team
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] up front
> To: ,
> Cc: "obra@list.obra.org"
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>
> I can promis no snow for the Jedi. :)
>
> Cliff McCann
> Pistis Ministries
> Pistis.us
> 541-659-4104
>
>
>
>
>> From: joec@aracnet.com
>> To: luelling@gmail.com
>> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 09:37:15 -0700
>> CC: obra@list.obra.org
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] up front
>>
>> must... control... fingers... of... rage...
>>
>> On Mon, 2009-04-27 at 16:38 +0000, luelling@gmail.com wrote:
>> > I agree. I prefer to ride my bike, not run and had I known how much
>> > snow was on the course I would have skipped this race.
>> >
>> > Brett
>> >
>> > On Apr 27, 2009 9:31am, Like toPedal
>> > wrote:
>> > > i would like to encourage promoters to be up front and open about
>> > any extraordinary conditions of their races. thereby allowing racers
>> > to properly prepare for those extraordinary elements in your race.
>> > >
>> > > Bear Springs had way too much snow. that should have been clearly
>> > pointed out in the days before the event.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > OBRA mailing list
>> > obra@list.obra.org
>> > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>> > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
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> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 09:57:28 -0700
> From: Jeff Edes
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Up Front...
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> Its still April and Mt. Hood had record snow this year. I fully expected
> this race to be canceled and I am amazed that Petr got his course in any
> kind of condition to have a race. Sure, there was a lot of hoofing it, but
> if the race was on I was going- fully expecting some challenging
> conditions.
>
> Thanks to Petr and his crew... I always enjoy that course, no matter what
> the conditions.
>
> Jeff
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 24
> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 21:58:08 -0700
> From: Rick C Johnson
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] up front
> To: Like toPedal
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> Ha-ha-ha-ha!
> Here we go again!
>
> Rick Johnson
> Bend, Oregon
>
> "Those who cannot remember the past, are condemned to repeat it" - George
> Santayana
>
>
>
> Like toPedal wrote:
>
>> i would like to encourage promoters to be up front and open about any
>> extraordinary conditions of their races. thereby allowing racers to
>> properly prepare for those extraordinary elements in your race.
>>
>> Bear Springs had way too much snow. that should have been clearly
>> pointed out in the days before the event.
>>
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> Message: 25
> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 09:57:58 -0700
> From: will
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] no snow for Jedi
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> Cliff McCann's promise for no snow at Jedi is not the only reason to do
> this race. It is a blast!
>
> (1) chance to get Mark Weir to sign your WTB Weirwolf tires :)
> (2) eat great food apres race (the price of which is typically included in
> your race fee)
> (3) more food & drink than I have ever seen at a race...great variety too
> (4) super friendly support & volunteers
> (5) real mtn biking "environment" in the middle of nowhere west of Merlin,
> OR :P
>
> -and-
>
> best of all...(6) a downhill finish on the Jedi trail!!!
>
> Make the trip and camp the night before!
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 26
> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 10:28:06 -0700
> From: Brian Johnson
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Water bottle cap? Do they exist?
> To: obra@list.obra.org
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> I'm finally tired of clearing mud, cryptosporidium, horse poop, etc.
> from my water bottle spout to get at the precious electrolytes
> contained therein.
>
> (No, no, no... I will NEVER put sports bev in my CamelBak. Gross.)
>
> I remember a loooong time ago a company called ODI make a little
> leashed cap that attached to the older narrow-opening water bottles
> and covered up the spout, protecting it from ugh.
>
> Does a similar product exist today?
>
> I love Specialized water bottles, (I'm actually a water bottle snob)
> but they don't seem to make any sort of bottle with a covered spout.
>
> Does anyone know of a water bottle that has a covered spout or some
> other protective gizmo?
>
> Thanks,
> Brian J.
>
> * * *
> My father asks : "Do you live here or ride bikes?"
>
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> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 10:29:06 -0700
> From: Joel Morrissette
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Belgium's PIR
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> http://www.velonews.com/article/91146/a-fred-s-eye-view-the-world-s-zaniest-group-ride
> More
> ad-hoc group-ride-slash-circuit-race than an organized weekly series.
> Sounds
> like quite the parade of characters.
>
> -Joel
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> _ \<_ you just go faster."
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> Message: 28
> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 10:29:53 -0700
> From: juan cagampang
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] FS: 2003 Santa Cruz Superlight Medium
> To: obra@list.obra.org
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> 2003 Santa Cruz Superlight MTB, medium.
>
> Solid bike, lightly ridden- A couple of scuffs as you might expect- but no
> dings, ugly scratches, etc.
> Powder coated Orange
> Mix of XT, LX drivetrain. Duke Fork.
>
> It was ridden probably three days last year. Its sitting around and it
> really should go to someone who rides off-road.
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/fixgear/03SantaCruzSuperlight#5238502978833984898
>
> $850 obo.
>
> respond off list
>
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> Message: 29
> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 10:50:14 -0700
> From: Rick Johnson
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Up Front...
> To: Jeff Edes
> Cc: obra@list.obra.org
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> I'll second that. Petr and his crew did huge amount of work to the
> course and what many people don't realize is that it was all
> accomplished in just a handful of days.
> My hats off to Petr for not even considering canceling the race.
>
> Rick
>
> Rick Johnson
> Bend, Oregon
>
> "We must, indeed, all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang
> separately."
> -- Benjamin Franklin
>
>
>
> Jeff Edes wrote:
>> Its still April and Mt. Hood had record snow this year. I fully expected
>> this race to be canceled and I am amazed that Petr got his course in any
>> kind of condition to have a race. Sure, there was a lot of hoofing it,
>> but if the race was on I was going- fully expecting some challenging
>> conditions.
>>
>> Thanks to Petr and his crew... I always enjoy that course, no matter what
>> the conditions.
>>
>> Jeff
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> Message: 30
> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 10:54:03 -0700
> From: "Ron and Dorothy Strasser"
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] up front
> To: "Rick C Johnson" , "Like toPedal"
>
> Cc: obra@list.obra.org
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> You are so right Rick!
> I say the perfect course always is picked up and tidy, perfect temp. is a
> must, no climbing or sketchy descending, no mud or snow, the perfect start
> time, everyone gets an award (the winners just get better ones), everyone
> also wins cycling component or clothing worth with at least a $200 value,
> not just a free massage but a free hour long massage, free beverage of
> your choice and if you are too tired after the race a place to nap before
> you head home.
> Every race has challenges for not just the ones racing, but also the ones
> putting the race on. I would have preferred less snow, but it was the
> same for everyone that raced. Maybe everyone learned from this and
> positive outcomes will take place.
> Now for me... I am not picky but I do have serious concerns about all that
> dust at the Chainbreaker and Pickett's... it is just so dusty you know.
> The Mudslinger has been so messy in the past. Falls City... if they could
> just remove the mountain it takes place on it would be so much more
> appealing. That Jedi race and Oakridge (ah the past) have that nasty
> poison oak. It is just one battle after another against nature. It is
> never perfect and one could gripe about anything. Makes the velodrome
> look like a cozy little place to buzz around.
> Can of worms now open even though my thoughts are to just get over it and
> move on. Or just tell Petr himself that you thought there was too much
> snow instead of griping here. He is the one putting the race on and would
> I assume listen to peoples concerns.
> Just my inflated dollar's worth.
> ron
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rick C Johnson
> To: Like toPedal
> Cc: obra@list.obra.org
> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 9:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] up front
>
>
> Ha-ha-ha-ha!
> Here we go again!
>
> Rick Johnson
> Bend, Oregon
>
> "Those who cannot remember the past, are condemned to repeat it" - George
> Santayana
>
> Like toPedal wrote:
> i would like to encourage promoters to be up front and open about any
> extraordinary conditions of their races. thereby allowing racers to
> properly prepare for those extraordinary elements in your race.
>
> Bear Springs had way too much snow. that should have been clearly
> pointed out in the days before the event.
>
>
>
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> Message: 31
> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 10:57:44 -0700
> From: "Ken MTBDEMON"
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Up Front...
> To: , "Jeff Edes"
> Cc: obra@list.obra.org
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> Ahhhh, I think the point of the original poster was that the promoter
> should inform of conditions. I don't recall anyone saying that hard work
> wasn't done or that conditions need to be perfect.....
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rick Johnson
> To: Jeff Edes
> Cc: obra@list.obra.org
> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 10:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Up Front...
>
>
> I'll second that. Petr and his crew did huge amount of work to the
> course and what many people don't realize is that it was all
> accomplished in just a handful of days.
> My hats off to Petr for not even considering canceling the race.
>
> Rick
>
> Rick Johnson
> Bend, Oregon
>
> "We must, indeed, all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang
> separately."
> -- Benjamin Franklin
>
>
>
> Jeff Edes wrote:
> > Its still April and Mt. Hood had record snow this year. I fully
> expected this race to be canceled and I am amazed that Petr got his course
> in any kind of condition to have a race. Sure, there was a lot of hoofing
> it, but if the race was on I was going- fully expecting some challenging
> conditions.
> >
> > Thanks to Petr and his crew... I always enjoy that course, no matter
> what the conditions.
> >
> > Jeff
> > _______________________________________________
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> Message: 32
> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 10:58:22 -0700
> From: "Ron and Dorothy Strasser"
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] no snow for Jedi
> To: "will" ,
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> This is a all true.... a great race and event! They do it right.
> But I must add that I do not see these races in competition with each
> other,
> but just giving us riders so many great options as each course offers
> different challenges. I had a blast last year at Jedi and this year at
> Bear
> Springs (and a good crash at each as well).
>
> ron
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "will"
> To:
> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 9:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] no snow for Jedi
>
>
>> Cliff McCann's promise for no snow at Jedi is not the only reason to do
>> this race. It is a blast!
>>
>> (1) chance to get Mark Weir to sign your WTB Weirwolf tires :)
>> (2) eat great food apres race (the price of which is typically included
>> in
>> your race fee)
>> (3) more food & drink than I have ever seen at a race...great variety too
>> (4) super friendly support & volunteers
>> (5) real mtn biking "environment" in the middle of nowhere west of
>> Merlin,
>> OR :P
>>
>> -and-
>>
>> best of all...(6) a downhill finish on the Jedi trail!!!
>>
>> Make the trip and camp the night before!
>> _______________________________________________
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>> obra@list.obra.org
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> Message: 33
> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 18:01:22 +0000 (UTC)
> From: jboquiren@comcast.net
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Belgium's PIR
> To: Joel Morrissette
> Cc: obra
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> Inclusive, accepting safe and fun. The way things ought to be.
>
> Joseph Boquiren
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joel Morrissette"
> To: "obra"
> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 10:29:06 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Belgium's PIR
>
> http://www.velonews.com/article/91146/a-fred-s-eye-view-the-world-s-zaniest-group-ride
>
>
> More ad-hoc group-ride-slash-circuit-race than an organized weekly series.
> Sounds like quite the parade of characters.
>
>
> -Joel
>
> --
> ? ? __o ?"It never gets easier,
> ? _ \<_ ? you just go faster."
> ?(_)/(_) ? ? ? -- Greg LeMond
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> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 11:06:29 -0700
> From: Don Leet
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] up front
> Cc: obra@list.obra.org
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> It is time for you whiney mountain bikers to either grow up or become
> roadies. That was a great race. If you can't ride in the snow maybe
> you should learn. Mountain biking is an outdoor sport. I live in Bend
> and ride 12 months a year. I was out this winter in 15 degrees, and 8
> inches of snow. What an adventure that was. Yesterday was like a walk
> in the park. I have many friends who mountain bike in Great Britain.
> Yesterday would have been the best conditions they would have had all
> year. I have been racing mountain bikes for over 25 years and I am
> constantly amazed at what people expect. Schedules are drawn up months
> in advance, we don't have much say in how fast snow melts or how much
> it snows. Go out and have fun, revel in the unexpected, be challenged
> by the conditions.
> Don Leet
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 35
> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 18:11:57 GMT
> From: "clay161@juno.com"
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] up front
> To: rondot@spiritone.com
> Cc: obra@list.obra.org, rickcjohnson1@gmail.com
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> You know, this is a stark reminder that we are not in control. I'm just
> thankful that I can get on a bike and go, that I can share that
> ability/freedom with others - I'm thankful for those who do their best to
> put on events irregardless of how well it goes, what the weather is doing,
> the course etc. Yes, there will always be room for improvement, the
> journey would be boring if there wasn't. Hey, an off day on a bike is
> better than the greatest day working in an office building etc etc.
>
> Clay
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> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 18:12:51 +0000
> From: "Johnny ."
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] WTB: Selle Italia SLK saddle
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> Almost got one off the list here last week, but I was too slow. If you
> have one in good shape send me a mail please.
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> Message: 37
> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 11:28:12 -0700
> From: Ben Fischler
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] up front
> To: Don Leet
> Cc: obra@list.obra.org
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> Amen. Sanitized mountain bike racing sucks.
>
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Don Leet wrote:
>
>> It is time for you whiney mountain bikers to either grow up or become
>> roadies. That was a great race. If you can't ride in the snow maybe you
>> should learn. Mountain biking is an outdoor sport. I live in Bend and
>> ride
>> 12 months a year. I was out this winter in 15 degrees, and 8 inches of
>> snow.
>> What an adventure that was. Yesterday was like a walk in the park. I have
>> many friends who mountain bike in Great Britain. Yesterday would have
>> been
>> the best conditions they would have had all year. I have been racing
>> mountain bikes for over 25 years and I am constantly amazed at what
>> people
>> expect. Schedules are drawn up months in advance, we don't have much say
>> in
>> how fast snow melts or how much it snows. Go out and have fun, revel in
>> the
>> unexpected, be challenged by the conditions.
>> Don Leet
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> Message: 38
> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 11:42:40 -0700
> From: "Michael O'Hair"
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Belgium's PIR
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> Also the people really know how to ride and they know who they are, e.g.,
> "those guys are 25 and very fast; I'm 60 and slow." If I ever get to
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> Message: 39
> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 11:51:42 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Jason Shucker
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] up front
> To: obra@list.obra.org
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> Don, with all due respect, you're a douche.? Actually I take back the
> respect part, you're just a douche!
>
> What about 10-12 year kids who raced Don?? I guess they should 'grow up'
> and just ignore the cold and learn to ride in the snow?? Because everyone
> in the state gets a chance to ride in snow Nov-March.? (sarcasm!) There
> are some parents who drove 6+ hours round trip just because their kids
> wanted to race,?because they?love Mt Biking.? However, to have a course
> that is half covered in snow and to have them "ride" in those elements
> without notice is ridiculous and irresponsible of the race promoter!?
> Coming prepared for the weather is one thing (rain, cold, sun, heat, etc)
> and should be left up to the racer.??However not to take the 15 seconds to
> send out a quick e-mail to say 'hey, we worked our asses off, but the
> course is still covered in 50% of snow, come prepared and be prepared to
> walk" Would have solved all these issues.? I can guarantee why the
> promoter didn't do that though, $$$$$.? You put out an e-mail that your
> course sucks, no one is
> going to come.? Instead quite a few people wasted a day they could have
> stayed at home, and actually RODE their bikes and saved the money they
> spent on gas, food, race entry fee, etc just so they could push their
> bikes in the snow.? Do you have kids, Don?? Imagine if it were your 10yr
> old out there struggling in those conditions with ice on his shoes,
> shivering away because a careless promoter failed to send out a quick
> e-mail to say, 'hey you'll be walking alot in the snow".? My guess is
> you'd have a MUCH different opinion.
>
> You're right, schedules are prepared months in advance.? And we don't have
> control over how much snow we get, or how fast it melts.? What do we have
> control over?? Notifying people of the facts.? The promoter failed to do
> so, and wasted the Sunday of quite a few people.?
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
>
>
>
> ----- Forwarded Message -----
> From: "Don Leet"
> Cc: obra@list.obra.org
> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 11:06:29 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] up front
>
> It is time for you whiney mountain bikers to either grow up or become ?
> roadies. That was a great race. If you can't ride in the snow maybe ?
> you should learn. Mountain biking is an outdoor sport. I live in Bend ?
> and ride 12 months a year. I was out this winter in 15 degrees, and 8 ?
> inches of snow. What an adventure that was. Yesterday was like a walk ?
> in the park. I have many friends who mountain bike in Great Britain. ?
> Yesterday would have been the best conditions they would have had all ?
> year. I have been racing mountain bikes for over 25 years and I am ?
> constantly amazed at what people expect. Schedules are drawn up months ?
> in advance, we don't have much say in how fast snow melts or how much ?
> it snows. Go out and have fun, revel in the unexpected, be challenged ?
> by the conditions.
> Don Leet
> ??
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