craig austin
If I was a promoter reading all of this, I'd put on a couple races in the
summer.
Craig
On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 10:57 AM, THOR Man wrote:
> Thats funny.
>
> But seriously. STOP THE WHINING!!! Is this a email list full of grown
> adults or 8 yr olds? Its getting hard to tell these days. Seems like every
> day, every little thing, whine and complain. Are you bored, like to hear
> yourself talk, a drama queen or what? What happened to just racing your bike
> for the kicks and shutting up. Why the drama?
>
> Keep it up though. If i was a promoter reading all this, I would give you
> all the finger. Why would anyone want to put on a race that requires pouring
> their heart and sole into for such ungrateful pre-madonas? And the threaten
> to sue. ARE YOU TRYING TO RUIN RACING IN OREGON ALL TOGEHTER?
>
> Cycling is a sport of you and you bike versus mother nature and her forces.
> Who ever can endure it the best, wins. End of story. Good thing the uci pros
> dont whine like you all, or the sport all together may just end. Ive raced
> in a blizzard at national champs, other races have included snow, hail,
> 30-40 mph wind, 106 degree heat, humidity, dryness, monsoons, swamps,
> through cattle pastures dodging animals, it happens. If you cant take the
> heat, stay out of the kitchen. Like a previous email stated, take up golf,
> of go play a 5yr old basketball, or soe a scarf.
>
> So, in conclusion, if you dont like the race dont show. And if you do race,
> man up and shut up.
>
> THOR ALMIGHTY
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 10:42:47 -0700
> From: RickCJohnson1@gmail.com
> To: dgrab2002@yahoo.com
> CC: obra@list.obra.org
>
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Taking BST to court can't be good for OR racing
>
> That's funny! I think I'll try it when I go out for lunch today -
> "Bring me my food and after I'm done eating it I'll decide if I'm satisfied
> enough to pay you"
>
> Or maybe do some bike shopping -
> "I'll take this bike for a few months and if I like it I'll come back and
> pay you"
>
> I'm sure the business' will understand completely and happily agree...
>
> Rick Johnson
> Bend, Oregon
>
> "We must, indeed, all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately."
> -- Benjamin Franklin
>
>
>
> D Grab wrote:
>
> Personally, I think public ridicule of the very small handful of weak,
> character-deficient individuals (especially if they are "elite/pro" racers)
> is a far more effective and entertaining approach.
>
> Of course if we were interested in a more proactive tack, perhaps we can
> ask the promoter's if they would be willing to allow racers to participate
> "on spec" as it were. If you race and like the course and/or do well, then
> you pay the race fees. If the course does not suit your fancy or you fail
> to achieve the result you believe you deserve, then you do not have to pay.
> Seems completely reasonable doesn't it?
>
> --- On *Tue, 4/28/09, Brian Mitchell * wrote:
>
> From: Brian Mitchell
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Taking BST to court can't be good for OR racing
> To: "bengelen@comcast.net"
> Cc: "obra@list.obra.org"
> Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 10:04 AM
>
> Hmm, kind of like a "blacklist of un-OBRA-ites"of sorts?!
> Sen. McCarthy would be so proud. . .
>
>
>
> On Apr 28, 2009, at 12:32 PM, "Brian Engelen"
> wrote:
>
> I think that anyone who is likely to sue should be 86ed from our
> events. And some of those people have shown themselves here. It is just
> poor business to let them continue to put our events at risk.
>
>
>
> We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone
>
>
>
> Brian E
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Ben Fischler
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2009 9:15 AM
> *To:* halfwheelhill@yahoo.com
> *Cc:* OBRA list list; Brian Johnson
> *Subject:* Re: [ OBRA Chat ] Taking BST to court can't be good for OR
> racing
>
>
>
> MTB racing and riding is an adventure sport. Part of the sport is being
> ready for anything, including snow. I've raced in conditions that were "too
> hot" and "too cold" for comfort, and some of those races were in my early
> teens. If all those races had been cancelled due to tender legal feelings
> then I would have missed some of the best rides and best experiences of my
> life.
>
>
>
> Sueing your way out of a lousy race experience does nothing for anyone.
>
> * mobile *
>
> - ben.fischler@gmail.com -
>
> - bfischler@laika.com -
>
>
> On Apr 28, 2009, at 8:46 AM, scott hill wrote:
>
> this is the same crap that killed bike racing in texas for several
> years. if you don't like tough conditions then don't mountain bike, or wait
> till summer. nobody made you race, you drove there on your own and could
> probably see the snow when you got out of your car. i have done some mtb
> races that you had to run 90% of the course because of mud, but you know
> what RACERS RACE their bike and have fun doing it. if you don't like it take
> up golf.
>
>
>
> scott
>
> --- On *Mon, 4/27/09, Brian Johnson * wrote:
>
> From: Brian Johnson
> Subject: [ OBRA Chat ] Taking BST to court can't be good for OR racing
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 11:33 PM
>
> Message: 3
>
> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 19:23:58 +0000
>
> From: Evan Plews
>
> Subject: Re: [ OBRA Chat ] up front--BS!
>
>
>
> I must weigh in... this was supreme rip-off.
>
>
>
>
>
> A "supreme rip off"? The tone of your message is so extreme it's baffling!
>
>
>
> The bigger picture is the loss for Oregon racing. Why?
>
>
>
> ***SNIP***
>
>
>
> If SkiBowl will not issue refunds, I would like some of our attorney
> friends to weight in with the possibility of pursuing a collective claim
> through small claims court. I personally will pay any court costs to see
> justice served. Until promoters (even me) are held accountable, we ALL will
> suffer and lose members and events!
>
>
>
> I think that hostile attitudes and whispers of litigation pose more of a
> threat to Oregon racing than early season races with snow on the ground. I
> imagine that the threat of litigation (or the mere involvement of "attorney
> friends") is extremely off-putting and pose yet another unpleasant hurdle to
> staging a race event.
>
>
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
>
> Evan Plews
>
>
>
> To be fair, I'll have to say that I wish the MTB racing season started in
> May (with maybe a couple of mucky races in March or April for the masochists
> among us). I also think that the organizers of Bear Springs trap could have
> done a bit more to communicate the conditions up there. That said, I took it
> upon myself to check weather reports for the area and then made the decision
> to attend the race for myself. I went expecting snow and took my cold/wet
> weather gear. I was expecting 2.5 hours of cyclocross.
>
>
>
> Brian J.
>
>
>
>
>
> * * *
>
> My father asks : "Do you live here or ride bikes?"
>
>
>
> http://liveorridebikes.blogspot.com
>
>
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>
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