OBRA: OBRA Chat: keep it old school

Pistis Mountain Bike Racing Team

2009-04-28

I also have a 11 year old that is hooked on racing. He loves it. I also mentor some youth at the Boys & Girls Club that we are bringing to some races. I would say it is our responsibility to get in touch with the promoter to ask if it is a good beginner course for them. A smart promoter will make there beginner course easy enough for them and any first time racer to do. Get them hooked to MTB racing and they will always do them. I know the Jedi is a Great beginner course (changed 2 years ago). So bring all your kids out and let them give XC a try. Just make sure they can ride 12 miles and be ready for them to be hooked on races.

Cliff McCann
Pistis Ministries
Pistis.us
541-659-4104

Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:10:39 -0700
From: like2pedal@rocketmail.com
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] keep it old school

yesterday i wrote a kind e-mail asking promoters to just e-mail the group about "extraordinary" conditions that they know about on their courses before we show up to race. the overwhelming response i got was to stop whining. hell, i didn't even whine about anything! i wrote back to a few people explaining that i wrote the e-mail because i want to be able to have my 10 year old son as prepared (that means safe) for the races as possible. the overwhelming response to that was "maybe you shouldn't bring your kids to the races". i had 3 promoters tell me NOT to bring my kids to the races at all.

i never said the course was too hard.
i never said Bear Springs shouldn't have been put on.
i never said degrading comments about anyone personally.
i never said i want money back.
i never said to make the courses easier.
i didn't ask the promoters to do anything except send an e-mail pointing out any special elements of a race.

..and the majority of OBRA says "leave your kid racer at home"

today, don't email me. at all.

to those of you that have this anti-junior racer attitude, you make me sick.

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Ken MTBDEMON

2009-04-28

Sooooo anyway, I say to the guy....That's no infidel, that's my wife......
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From: Jess Mace
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Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] keep it old school

Agreed. Can this nonsense stop?

Its a simple lack of communication by the organizer.does it require two solid days of ridiculous

back and forth?

Jess Mace, MPH, CCRP

Clinical Outcomes Research - Oregon Sinus Center

Department of Otolaryngology - Head and Neck Surgery

Oregon Health & Science University

503.494.5886

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of MIKE STOCKTON
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 11:51 AM
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Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] keep it old school

Save the Drama for your Mama! This is getting really stupid and I am sick of reading it once again, it doesn't matter how many times you kick a dead horse it is not going to get up...just send it to the glue factory!

Thanks

Mike Stockton
971-239-8000

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From: webmaster@obra.org
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:46:19 -0700
CC: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] keep it old school

I didn't mean for that to be rude. I actually meant that there is a very vocal minority of people - some of which can be quite rude or irritating.

I have felt the same way (somewhat attacked for a post) in the past (and a little bit currently!) and I was just pointing out that there are many many people that are kind and helpful. I guess I could have been more careful with my words but I was trying to back him up. I think that it would be awesome to send a junior out there fully prepared if that's what the child wants to do.

Anyway, sorry if I sounded rude. I'll remember not to speak up next time because clearly it is easy to be misunderstood.

On Apr 28, 2009, at 11:34 AM, Brian Mitchell wrote:

This pissyness in the OBRA clubhouse almost makes me glad I moved away.

Lots of public posts were and continue to be rude and opininated as well, including yours.

To borrow a phrase, it seems this list has jumped the shark.

I'll be unsubscribing now; I'm sick of the toxicity.

On Apr 28, 2009, at 2:21 PM, Cheryl Willson > wrote:

Really you mean majority of people that chose to email you personally. That's a self-selected group of OBRA members.

I've sent out an email or two that rubbed a few people the wrong way and I had a pile of very opinionated messages (some insanely rude) but I think there are many people sitting at home feeling dispassionate and hitting the delete button. Many of us would love for you to know that your junior should wear wool socks (or whatever preparation seems appropriate).

On Apr 28, 2009, at 11:10 AM, Like toPedal wrote:

yesterday i wrote a kind e-mail asking promoters to just e-mail the group about "extraordinary" conditions that they know about on their courses before we show up to race. the overwhelming response i got was to stop whining. hell, i didn't even whine about anything! i wrote back to a few people explaining that i wrote the e-mail because i want to be able to have my 10 year old son as prepared (that means safe) for the races as possible. the overwhelming response to that was "maybe you shouldn't bring your kids to the races". i had 3 promoters tell me NOT to bring my kids to the races at all.

i never said the course was too hard.
i never said Bear Springs shouldn't have been put on.
i never said degrading comments about anyone personally.
i never said i want money back.
i never said to make the courses easier.
i didn't ask the promoters to do anything except send an e-mail pointing out any special elements of a race.

..and the majority of OBRA says "leave your kid racer at home"

today, don't email me. at all.

to those of you that have this anti-junior racer attitude, you make me sick.

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Jess Mace

2009-04-28

Agreed. Can this nonsense stop?

Its a simple lack of communication by the organizer.does it require two solid days of ridiculous

back and forth?

Jess Mace, MPH, CCRP

Clinical Outcomes Research - Oregon Sinus Center

Department of Otolaryngology - Head and Neck Surgery

Oregon Health & Science University

503.494.5886

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of MIKE STOCKTON
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 11:51 AM
To: webmaster@obra.org; baldboy247@gmail.com
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] keep it old school

Save the Drama for your Mama! This is getting really stupid and I am sick of reading it once again, it doesn't matter how many times you kick a dead horse it is not going to get up...just send it to the glue factory!

Thanks

Mike Stockton
971-239-8000

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From: webmaster@obra.org
To: baldboy247@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:46:19 -0700
CC: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] keep it old school

I didn't mean for that to be rude. I actually meant that there is a very vocal minority of people - some of which can be quite rude or irritating.

I have felt the same way (somewhat attacked for a post) in the past (and a little bit currently!) and I was just pointing out that there are many many people that are kind and helpful. I guess I could have been more careful with my words but I was trying to back him up. I think that it would be awesome to send a junior out there fully prepared if that's what the child wants to do.

Anyway, sorry if I sounded rude. I'll remember not to speak up next time because clearly it is easy to be misunderstood.

On Apr 28, 2009, at 11:34 AM, Brian Mitchell wrote:

This pissyness in the OBRA clubhouse almost makes me glad I moved away.

Lots of public posts were and continue to be rude and opininated as well, including yours.

To borrow a phrase, it seems this list has jumped the shark.

I'll be unsubscribing now; I'm sick of the toxicity.

On Apr 28, 2009, at 2:21 PM, Cheryl Willson wrote:

Really you mean majority of people that chose to email you personally. That's a self-selected group of OBRA members.

I've sent out an email or two that rubbed a few people the wrong way and I had a pile of very opinionated messages (some insanely rude) but I think there are many people sitting at home feeling dispassionate and hitting the delete button. Many of us would love for you to know that your junior should wear wool socks (or whatever preparation seems appropriate).

On Apr 28, 2009, at 11:10 AM, Like toPedal wrote:

yesterday i wrote a kind e-mail asking promoters to just e-mail the group about "extraordinary" conditions that they know about on their courses before we show up to race. the overwhelming response i got was to stop whining. hell, i didn't even whine about anything! i wrote back to a few people explaining that i wrote the e-mail because i want to be able to have my 10 year old son as prepared (that means safe) for the races as possible. the overwhelming response to that was "maybe you shouldn't bring your kids to the races". i had 3 promoters tell me NOT to bring my kids to the races at all.

i never said the course was too hard.
i never said Bear Springs shouldn't have been put on.
i never said degrading comments about anyone personally.
i never said i want money back.
i never said to make the courses easier.
i didn't ask the promoters to do anything except send an e-mail pointing out any special elements of a race.

..and the majority of OBRA says "leave your kid racer at home"

today, don't email me. at all.

to those of you that have this anti-junior racer attitude, you make me sick.

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MIKE STOCKTON

2009-04-28

Save the Drama for your Mama! This is getting really stupid and I am sick of reading it once again, it doesn't matter how many times you kick a dead horse it is not going to get up...just send it to the glue factory!

Thanks

Mike Stockton
971-239-8000

From: webmaster@obra.org
To: baldboy247@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:46:19 -0700
CC: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] keep it old school

I didn't mean for that to be rude. I actually meant that there is a very vocal minority of people - some of which can be quite rude or irritating.

I have felt the same way (somewhat attacked for a post) in the past (and a little bit currently!) and I was just pointing out that there are many many people that are kind and helpful. I guess I could have been more careful with my words but I was trying to back him up. I think that it would be awesome to send a junior out there fully prepared if that's what the child wants to do.

Anyway, sorry if I sounded rude. I'll remember not to speak up next time because clearly it is easy to be misunderstood.

On Apr 28, 2009, at 11:34 AM, Brian Mitchell wrote:

This pissyness in the OBRA clubhouse almost makes me glad I moved away.
Lots of public posts were and continue to be rude and opininated as well, including yours.
To borrow a phrase, it seems this list has jumped the shark.
I'll be unsubscribing now; I'm sick of the toxicity.

On Apr 28, 2009, at 2:21 PM, Cheryl Willson wrote:

Really you mean majority of people that chose to email you personally. That's a self-selected group of OBRA members.

I've sent out an email or two that rubbed a few people the wrong way and I had a pile of very opinionated messages (some insanely rude) but I think there are many people sitting at home feeling dispassionate and hitting the delete button. Many of us would love for you to know that your junior should wear wool socks (or whatever preparation seems appropriate).

On Apr 28, 2009, at 11:10 AM, Like toPedal wrote:

yesterday i wrote a kind e-mail asking promoters to just e-mail the group about "extraordinary" conditions that they know about on their courses before we show up to race. the overwhelming response i got was to stop whining. hell, i didn't even whine about anything! i wrote back to a few people explaining that i wrote the e-mail because i want to be able to have my 10 year old son as prepared (that means safe) for the races as possible. the overwhelming response to that was "maybe you shouldn't bring your kids to the races". i had 3 promoters tell me NOT to bring my kids to the races at all.

i never said the course was too hard.
i never said Bear Springs shouldn't have been put on.
i never said degrading comments about anyone personally.
i never said i want money back.
i never said to make the courses easier.
i didn't ask the promoters to do anything except send an e-mail pointing out any special elements of a race.

..and the majority of OBRA says "leave your kid racer at home"

today, don't email me. at all.

to those of you that have this anti-junior racer attitude, you make me sick.
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Cheryl Willson

2009-04-28

I didn't mean for that to be rude. I actually meant that there is a
very vocal minority of people - some of which can be quite rude or
irritating.

I have felt the same way (somewhat attacked for a post) in the past
(and a little bit currently!) and I was just pointing out that there
are many many people that are kind and helpful. I guess I could have
been more careful with my words but I was trying to back him up. I
think that it would be awesome to send a junior out there fully
prepared if that's what the child wants to do.

Anyway, sorry if I sounded rude. I'll remember not to speak up next
time because clearly it is easy to be misunderstood.

On Apr 28, 2009, at 11:34 AM, Brian Mitchell wrote:

> This pissyness in the OBRA clubhouse almost makes me glad I moved
> away.
> Lots of public posts were and continue to be rude and opininated as
> well, including yours.
> To borrow a phrase, it seems this list has jumped the shark.
> I'll be unsubscribing now; I'm sick of the toxicity.
>
>
> On Apr 28, 2009, at 2:21 PM, Cheryl Willson
> wrote:
>
>> Really you mean majority of people that chose to email you
>> personally. That's a self-selected group of OBRA members.
>>
>> I've sent out an email or two that rubbed a few people the wrong
>> way and I had a pile of very opinionated messages (some insanely
>> rude) but I think there are many people sitting at home feeling
>> dispassionate and hitting the delete button. Many of us would love
>> for you to know that your junior should wear wool socks (or
>> whatever preparation seems appropriate).
>>
>>
>> On Apr 28, 2009, at 11:10 AM, Like toPedal wrote:
>>
>>> yesterday i wrote a kind e-mail asking promoters to just e-mail
>>> the group about "extraordinary" conditions that they know about on
>>> their courses before we show up to race. the overwhelming response
>>> i got was to stop whining. hell, i didn't even whine about
>>> anything! i wrote back to a few people explaining that i wrote the
>>> e-mail because i want to be able to have my 10 year old son as
>>> prepared (that means safe) for the races as possible. the
>>> overwhelming response to that was "maybe you shouldn't bring your
>>> kids to the races". i had 3 promoters tell me NOT to bring my kids
>>> to the races at all.
>>>
>>> i never said the course was too hard.
>>> i never said Bear Springs shouldn't have been put on.
>>> i never said degrading comments about anyone personally.
>>> i never said i want money back.
>>> i never said to make the courses easier.
>>> i didn't ask the promoters to do anything except send an e-mail
>>> pointing out any special elements of a race.
>>>
>>> ..and the majority of OBRA says "leave your kid racer at home"
>>>
>>> today, don't email me. at all.
>>>
>>> to those of you that have this anti-junior racer attitude, you
>>> make me sick.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> obra@list.obra.org
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>>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>>
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joe cipale

2009-04-28

This whole spit-bag thread is getting tiresome!

What next? The lack of 'Category Races' for Masters? The lack of women's
fields at ANY event? The lack of extra field races for Cat 4/5 riders?

We have been there and done that... again.. and again.. and again...
Bottom line:
If you dont like a race, dont go.
If the weather looks dicey, dont go
If you are concerned about the lack of porta-potties, dont go
If you are (insert annoying little reason here), dont go

Promoters bust their ass to put on a race. It starts a good year in
advance. The minute a race is completed, plans begin almost immediately
for the next years event. For all of you out there griping, complaining,
or general bellyaching about a race (pick a race, any race), then shut
up, step up and put on a race yourself.

Until then, vote with your feet and quit wasting bandwidth.

On Tue, 2009-04-28 at 11:21 -0700, Cheryl Willson wrote:
> Really you mean majority of people that chose to email you personally.
> That's a self-selected group of OBRA members.
>
>
> I've sent out an email or two that rubbed a few people the wrong way
> and I had a pile of very opinionated messages (some insanely rude) but
> I think there are many people sitting at home feeling dispassionate
> and hitting the delete button. Many of us would love for you to know
> that your junior should wear wool socks (or whatever preparation seems
> appropriate).
>
>
>
> On Apr 28, 2009, at 11:10 AM, Like toPedal wrote:
>
> > yesterday i wrote a kind e-mail asking promoters to just e-mail the
> > group about "extraordinary" conditions that they know about on their
> > courses before we show up to race. the overwhelming response i got
> > was to stop whining. hell, i didn't even whine about anything! i
> > wrote back to a few people explaining that i wrote the e-mail
> > because i want to be able to have my 10 year old son as prepared
> > (that means safe) for the races as possible. the overwhelming
> > response to that was "maybe you shouldn't bring your kids to the
> > races". i had 3 promoters tell me NOT to bring my kids to the races
> > at all.
> >
> > i never said the course was too hard.
> > i never said Bear Springs shouldn't have been put on.
> > i never said degrading comments about anyone personally.
> > i never said i want money back.
> > i never said to make the courses easier.
> > i didn't ask the promoters to do anything except send an e-mail
> > pointing out any special elements of a race.
> >
> > ..and the majority of OBRA says "leave your kid racer at home"
> >
> > today, don't email me. at all.
> >
> > to those of you that have this anti-junior racer attitude, you make
> > me sick.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > obra@list.obra.org
> > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
> >
>
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Brian Mitchell

2009-04-28

This pissyness in the OBRA clubhouse almost makes me glad I moved away.
Lots of public posts were and continue to be rude and opininated as
well, including yours.
To borrow a phrase, it seems this list has jumped the shark.
I'll be unsubscribing now; I'm sick of the toxicity.

On Apr 28, 2009, at 2:21 PM, Cheryl Willson wrote:

> Really you mean majority of people that chose to email you
> personally. That's a self-selected group of OBRA members.
>
> I've sent out an email or two that rubbed a few people the wrong way
> and I had a pile of very opinionated messages (some insanely rude)
> but I think there are many people sitting at home feeling
> dispassionate and hitting the delete button. Many of us would love
> for you to know that your junior should wear wool socks (or whatever
> preparation seems appropriate).
>
>
> On Apr 28, 2009, at 11:10 AM, Like toPedal wrote:
>
>> yesterday i wrote a kind e-mail asking promoters to just e-mail the
>> group about "extraordinary" conditions that they know about on
>> their courses before we show up to race. the overwhelming response
>> i got was to stop whining. hell, i didn't even whine about
>> anything! i wrote back to a few people explaining that i wrote the
>> e-mail because i want to be able to have my 10 year old son as
>> prepared (that means safe) for the races as possible. the
>> overwhelming response to that was "maybe you shouldn't bring your
>> kids to the races". i had 3 promoters tell me NOT to bring my kids
>> to the races at all.
>>
>> i never said the course was too hard.
>> i never said Bear Springs shouldn't have been put on.
>> i never said degrading comments about anyone personally.
>> i never said i want money back.
>> i never said to make the courses easier.
>> i didn't ask the promoters to do anything except send an e-mail
>> pointing out any special elements of a race.
>>
>> ..and the majority of OBRA says "leave your kid racer at home"
>>
>> today, don't email me. at all.
>>
>> to those of you that have this anti-junior racer attitude, you make
>> me sick.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> OBRA mailing list
>> obra@list.obra.org
>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>
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Cheryl Willson

2009-04-28

Really you mean majority of people that chose to email you personally.
That's a self-selected group of OBRA members.

I've sent out an email or two that rubbed a few people the wrong way
and I had a pile of very opinionated messages (some insanely rude) but
I think there are many people sitting at home feeling dispassionate
and hitting the delete button. Many of us would love for you to know
that your junior should wear wool socks (or whatever preparation seems
appropriate).

On Apr 28, 2009, at 11:10 AM, Like toPedal wrote:

> yesterday i wrote a kind e-mail asking promoters to just e-mail the
> group about "extraordinary" conditions that they know about on their
> courses before we show up to race. the overwhelming response i got
> was to stop whining. hell, i didn't even whine about anything! i
> wrote back to a few people explaining that i wrote the e-mail
> because i want to be able to have my 10 year old son as prepared
> (that means safe) for the races as possible. the overwhelming
> response to that was "maybe you shouldn't bring your kids to the
> races". i had 3 promoters tell me NOT to bring my kids to the races
> at all.
>
> i never said the course was too hard.
> i never said Bear Springs shouldn't have been put on.
> i never said degrading comments about anyone personally.
> i never said i want money back.
> i never said to make the courses easier.
> i didn't ask the promoters to do anything except send an e-mail
> pointing out any special elements of a race.
>
> ..and the majority of OBRA says "leave your kid racer at home"
>
> today, don't email me. at all.
>
> to those of you that have this anti-junior racer attitude, you make
> me sick.
>
> _______________________________________________
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> obra@list.obra.org
> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org

Like toPedal

2009-04-28

yesterday i wrote a kind e-mail asking promoters to just e-mail the group about "extraordinary" conditions that they know about on their courses before we show up to race. the overwhelming response i got was to stop whining. hell, i didn't even whine about anything! i wrote back to a few people explaining that i wrote the e-mail because i want to be able to have my 10 year old son as prepared (that means safe) for the races as possible. the overwhelming response to that was "maybe you shouldn't bring your kids to the races". i had 3 promoters tell me NOT to bring my kids to the races at all.

i never said the course was too hard.
i never said Bear Springs shouldn't have been put on.
i never said degrading comments about anyone personally.
i never said i want money back.
i never said to make the courses easier.
i didn't ask the promoters to do anything except send an e-mail pointing out any special elements of a race.

...and the majority of OBRA says "leave your kid racer at home"

today, don't email me. at all.

to those of you that have this anti-junior racer attitude, you make me sick.