Re: The cost of buying second-hand

Jess Mace

2009-06-09

Cyclespawn fails to mention the ever-most-secure leaving your prized bike in the car overnight.

I love hearing people’s stories about how their “bike was securely locked in my car”……when it was stolen.

I wouldn’t even leave my “free” cell phone in my car overnight…let alone my race bikes… and I live in a descent neighborhood.

But I digress….I’m going to go bend my elbows now…

Jess Mace, MPH, CCRP

Clinical Outcomes Research - Oregon Sinus Center

Department of Otolaryngology - Head and Neck Surgery

Oregon Health & Science University

503.494.5886

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Erik Long
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 12:33 PM
To: dcaplan@bendcable.com; Obra
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] The cost of buying second-hand

Actually, Dave, Warrantees are typically a minimum of 5 years on a new frame, and often lifetime for the original owner. Most parts, including Shimano are warranteed for a year from date of purchase (3 years with Dura-Ace and XTR, as I recall), and Sram gives a 2-year warranty with all their retail-purchased product and they are the quickest I've seen when it comes to warranty replacement.

And used is never the best option, I've seen far too much go wrong far too consistently. The fact is that I could make a hell of a lot of money with used product if I didn't have a conscience, but I do, and I have to sleep at night.

As for your appearent curse as a bike-theft target this guy says it better than I ever could:

http://cyclespawn.blogspot.com/2008/07/bike-theft-bad-kind-of-sucking.html

-Erik


> Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 10:40:57 -0700
> From: dcaplan@bendcable.com
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] The cost of buying second-hand
>
> Here's a couple reasons why I have bought used bikes:
>
> #1) I'm a small guy. Demos are rarely available in my size, and often it's hard just to get a shop to order a bike in my size. So I'm supposed to spend 3 grand on a new bike that I can't even properly test ride? For me it makes more sense to buy a used bike a fair price that I can really ride and put to the test. Then, if it doesn't fit right, or I don't like it enough to keep, I can resell it without losing much, if anything.
>
> #2) Bikes get stolen. Homeowners insurance will cover replacement value minus deductable (plus a 3 year raise in premium). So when that bike I bought new gets ripped off, I end up taking a big $ hit to get a replacement. However, when my steel Lemond Zurich that I bought used for $800 gets stolen while I'm on a riding vacation in Italy, the insurance covers the $2800 replacement cost for a new carbon Zurich, so even counting the deductable, I'm still coming out OK (except for a totally ruined vacation).
>
> #3) Warrantees are often for only a year or two and often only cover "manufacturer's defects", not things that happen when you are actually out using your bike for it's intended purpose.
>
> Sure, you need to careful and educate yourself before buying used. It's not a good option for everyone. But for some of us it's the best option.
>
> And I still do a lot to support my local bike shops... sending my friends who need the expertise and sales help; buying parts; and labor for those repair jobs that I can't handle myself.
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Erik Long

2009-06-09

Actually, Dave, Warrantees are typically a minimum of 5 years on a new frame, and often lifetime for the original owner. Most parts, including Shimano are warranteed for a year from date of purchase (3 years with Dura-Ace and XTR, as I recall), and Sram gives a 2-year warranty with all their retail-purchased product and they are the quickest I've seen when it comes to warranty replacement.

And used is never the best option, I've seen far too much go wrong far too consistently. The fact is that I could make a hell of a lot of money with used product if I didn't have a conscience, but I do, and I have to sleep at night.

As for your appearent curse as a bike-theft target this guy says it better than I ever could:

http://cyclespawn.blogspot.com/2008/07/bike-theft-bad-kind-of-sucking.html

-Erik


> Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 10:40:57 -0700
> From: dcaplan@bendcable.com
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] The cost of buying second-hand
>
> Here's a couple reasons why I have bought used bikes:
>
> #1) I'm a small guy. Demos are rarely available in my size, and often it's hard just to get a shop to order a bike in my size. So I'm supposed to spend 3 grand on a new bike that I can't even properly test ride? For me it makes more sense to buy a used bike a fair price that I can really ride and put to the test. Then, if it doesn't fit right, or I don't like it enough to keep, I can resell it without losing much, if anything.
>
> #2) Bikes get stolen. Homeowners insurance will cover replacement value minus deductable (plus a 3 year raise in premium). So when that bike I bought new gets ripped off, I end up taking a big $ hit to get a replacement. However, when my steel Lemond Zurich that I bought used for $800 gets stolen while I'm on a riding vacation in Italy, the insurance covers the $2800 replacement cost for a new carbon Zurich, so even counting the deductable, I'm still coming out OK (except for a totally ruined vacation).
>
> #3) Warrantees are often for only a year or two and often only cover "manufacturer's defects", not things that happen when you are actually out using your bike for it's intended purpose.
>
> Sure, you need to careful and educate yourself before buying used. It's not a good option for everyone. But for some of us it's the best option.
>
> And I still do a lot to support my local bike shops... sending my friends who need the expertise and sales help; buying parts; and labor for those repair jobs that I can't handle myself.
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David Caplan

2009-06-09

Here's a couple reasons why I have bought used bikes:

#1) I'm a small guy. Demos are rarely available in my size, and often it's hard just to get a shop to order a bike in my size. So I'm supposed to spend 3 grand on a new bike that I can't even properly test ride? For me it makes more sense to buy a used bike a fair price that I can really ride and put to the test. Then, if it doesn't fit right, or I don't like it enough to keep, I can resell it without losing much, if anything.

#2) Bikes get stolen. Homeowners insurance will cover replacement value minus deductable (plus a 3 year raise in premium). So when that bike I bought new gets ripped off, I end up taking a big $ hit to get a replacement. However, when my steel Lemond Zurich that I bought used for $800 gets stolen while I'm on a riding vacation in Italy, the insurance covers the $2800 replacement cost for a new carbon Zurich, so even counting the deductable, I'm still coming out OK (except for a totally ruined vacation).

#3) Warrantees are often for only a year or two and often only cover "manufacturer's defects", not things that happen when you are actually out using your bike for it's intended purpose.

Sure, you need to careful and educate yourself before buying used. It's not a good option for everyone. But for some of us it's the best option.

And I still do a lot to support my local bike shops... sending my friends who need the expertise and sales help; buying parts; and labor for those repair jobs that I can't handle myself.