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carol

2010-03-29

I second that, thanks so much volunteers. I did not walk away from teh Cat 4 crash, but thanks to you guys, I did somewhat walk away later on. All is well. Thanks for the help.

Quenton Conant

2007-04-02

Thanks for putting that on!

Yesterday was a beautiful day on the course, and hardly a breeze in sight. Well compared to last year. I don't know what the afternoon racers got for weather, but the morning was perfect!

Nice clean corners, marked pothole, plenty of staff and volunteers, free sugar! It was all awesome.

THANKS!
Quenton

p.s. I was under the impression that if you don't put wheels in you don't get wheels out. So, if one doesn't have spare wheels, and doesn't think to bring a tube, lever, and fame pump to put in the support car could one possibly toss in a pair of walking shoes ;) ?

Geri Bossen

2003-04-02

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Nancy had a challenge at the race. We did not have the proper equipment to tape the finishes, no power or battery for the camera. Nancy and I scrambled and got my personal video camera setup for her to use.

We asked everyone who felt they were in the top 15 to come and give us their name and number--I even took down their description to make identifying them easier. This was to help us figure out the results on my small screen on battery power. Luckily someone from Eugene rushed the other OBRA camera to us and we were able to get it set up for the second set of races.

It is often helpful to let the official know if you were in the top 15. Maybe we need someone there just to take that information so Nancy does not have to. At POC that fell to me because I was there instead of out with another field. I had traded with the other Jerry because of the camera situation. I must have gone to the rest room because I missed most of your bell ringing and the comments you heard.

It is tough being an official. After 2 years I still cannot believe how good Nancy and Candi are at getting the results. Nancy does a great job-- she keeps all of the equipment organized and does an awesome job of doing really fast accurate results.

You-all need to watch a finish video to figure out why pinning your number on correctly is so important. PIN IT ON YOUR SIDE--- FACING THE CAMERA NOT UP ON YOUR BACK. THE BOTTOM RIGHT PIN NEEDS TO GO IN YOUR ARMPIT (on the right side) THEN YOU NEED TO PIN THE REST FROM THERE. THE CAMERA CANNOT READ YOUR BACK. THE OFFICIALS IN THE CARS NEED TO BE ABLE TO READ THE OTHER NUMBER ON YOUR BACK. WE ACTUALLY KEEP TRACK OF WERE ALL THE RIDERS ARE THROUGHOUT THE RACE. THIS INFORMATION ALSO HELPS US TO FIGURE OUT THE FINISH.

Geri Bossen

----- Original Message -----

From: Brad Cockman, DC

To: ob-@topica.com

Sent: Wednesday, 02 April, 2003 12:35 PM

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] [OBRA CHAT] Centerline & Masters Racing

I'm still counting my blessings that I decided on the 3's race versus

the Master's, now for more than a couple of reasons.

I was at the finish line ringing the bell helping out poor Nancy a

little, all alone in the OBRA truck trying to do 12 jobs at once. As

she's looking at video trying to pick placings from the various races

that were finishing she was under an Iraqui bombardment from racers

bitching to her for one reason or another or trying to find out where

they had finished RIGHT after they had crossed the finish line. Nancy

somehow maintained her composure when she had every right to tell these

people to go straight to hell. The BBQ potato chips must have had some

kind of sedative added to them.

Damn people, leave the poor OBRA volunteers alone. If you have a

legitimate complaint find the chief referee. Flying off the handle like

a couple of the Master's did after the crash is pretty embarassing and

just plain old not nice when you're talking to the wrong person to begin

with. If sh*t like this keeps up we'll soon be showing up at races and

wondering where all the yellow shirts went.

On another note, the layout of POC doesn't really lend itself to safe

riding conditions. Flat course which keeps packs together, super narrow

roads with little or no shoulder (and dead vermin) and big fields is a

prescription for disaster in my book. Any better roads in that neck of

the woods?

Ron Magnus wrote:

>

>

> Hello all,

>

> How ironic; for the past two weeks there has been such a plethora of

> noise about centerline violations and the reasons one way or the other

> they occurred. For the record, I was made aware of the original cause

> of this thread back on the morning of March 17. I was conducting a

> class in the Los Angeles area. One of the students was a Pro racer who

> had been at the race in Arizona and gave me some of the details such as

> they were first hand. The following day and onwards OBRA chat erupted

> with so many comments mostly constructive that I felt pretty good about

> the way people viewed this important matter especially since some of the

> long time racers/riders could recall a similar situation with the same

> results that occurred in Washington County a good number of years ago.

>

> Fast forward to last weekend's Piece of Cake Masters event. Two age

> graded categories in one field consisting of 54 riders take to the road.

> Not unusual compared to some of the other larger fields of the day on

> the same venue. Since this event went the way of many Masters events

> where there is little "real racing" the field size stayed pretty much

> the same until the start of the final lap. Now some individuals are

> getting anxious, about 4k from the finish line two individuals cross the

> centerline in a left turn on one of the narrow streets (makes no

> difference if it's a significant crossing or not), there is a lot of

> loud comments from the field, the two riders move quickly back into the

> pack, so quickly that it causes a rider to loose control right away and

> then send another rider to the pavement incurring head, shoulder and

> chest injuries. Let's now move forward to the 400 meter region from the

> finish. Our pack of Masters has pretty much regrouped and is chomping

> at the bit for the final sprint, once again some riders are observed

> moving left across the centerline incurring the attention of the pack.

> Almost at the same time two riders on the right side of the pack start

> to sprint and knock into each other, they go down, one rider suffers a

> significant facial injury cutting an artery.

>

> Today we see on OBRA CHAT that the Masters field has further

> "distinguished" themselves with obscene language that can easily be

> heard by corner marshals and bystanders young and old.........ARE YOU

> HAVING FUN?????

>

> Folks this is supposed to be a fun hobby.....it sure doesn't appear that

> way these days, such a not so nice example to be presenting to others.

>

> I suppose you can chastise me as much as you want for making these

> comments as I normally sit back and just read. Keep in mind that the

> comments noted above are observations noted by many, so be careful on

> your responses lest you put your foot farther in your mouth.

>

> Ron Magnus; Portland, OR

> 503-244-4866

>

>

>

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Nancy had a challenge at the race. We did not have the proper equipment to

tape the finishes, no power or battery for the camera. Nancy and I scrambled and

got my personal video camera setup for her to use. 

We asked everyone who felt they were in the top 15 to come and give us their

name and number--I even took down their description to make identifying them

easier. This was to help us figure out the results on my small screen on battery

power. Luckily someone from Eugene rushed the other OBRA camera to us and we

were able to get it set up for the second set of races. 

It is often helpful to let the official know if you were in the top 15. Maybe

we need someone there just to take that information so Nancy does not have to.

At POC that fell to me because I was there instead of out with another field. I

had traded with the other Jerry because of the camera situation. I must have

gone to the rest room because I missed most of your bell ringing and the

comments you heard. 

It is tough being an official. After 2 years I still cannot believe how good

Nancy and Candi are at getting the results. Nancy does a great job-- she keeps

all of the equipment organized and does an awesome job of doing really fast

accurate results. 

You-all need to watch a finish video to figure out why pinning your

number on correctly is so important. PIN IT ON YOUR SIDE---

FACING THE CAMERA NOT UP ON YOUR BACK. THE BOTTOM RIGHT PIN NEEDS

TO GO IN YOUR ARMPIT (on the right side) THEN YOU NEED TO PIN THE

REST FROM THERE. THE CAMERA CANNOT READ YOUR BACK. THE OFFICIALS IN THE

CARS NEED TO BE ABLE TO READ THE OTHER NUMBER ON YOUR

BACK. WE ACTUALLY KEEP TRACK OF WERE ALL THE RIDERS ARE

THROUGHOUT THE RACE. THIS INFORMATION ALSO HELPS US TO FIGURE OUT THE

FINISH. 

 

Geri Bossen 

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Centerline & Masters Racing</DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>I'm still counting my blessings that I decided on the 3's race

versus the Master's, now for more than a couple of reasons. I was

at the finish line ringing the bell helping out poor Nancy a little, all

alone in the OBRA truck trying to do 12 jobs at once. As she's looking at

video trying to pick placings from the various races that were finishing

she was under an Iraqui bombardment from racers bitching to her for one

reason or another or trying to find out where they had finished RIGHT

after they had crossed the finish line. Nancy somehow maintained her

composure when she had every right to tell these people to go straight to

hell. The BBQ potato chips must have had some kind of sedative added to

them. Damn people, leave the poor OBRA volunteers alone. If you have a

 legitimate complaint find the chief referee. Flying off the handle like

 a couple of the Master's did after the crash is pretty embarassing and

 just plain old not nice when you're talking to the wrong person to begin

 with. If sh*t like this keeps up we'll soon be showing up at races and

 wondering where all the yellow shirts went. On another note, the

layout of POC doesn't really lend itself to safe riding conditions. Flat

course which keeps packs together, super narrow roads with little or no

shoulder (and dead vermin) and big fields is a prescription for disaster

in my book. Any better roads in that neck of the woods? Ron

Magnus wrote: > > > Hello all, > > How

ironic; for the past two weeks there has been such a plethora of >

noise about centerline violations and the reasons one way or the other

 > they occurred. For the record, I was made aware of the original

cause > of this thread back on the morning of March 17. I was

conducting a > class in the Los Angeles area. One of the students

was a Pro racer who > had been at the race in Arizona and gave me some

of the details such as > they were first hand. The following day

and onwards OBRA chat erupted > with so many comments mostly

constructive that I felt pretty good about > the way people viewed this

important matter especially since some of the > long time racers/riders

could recall a similar situation with the same > results that occurred

in Washington County a good number of years ago. > > Fast forward

to last weekend's Piece of Cake Masters event. Two age > graded

categories in one field consisting of 54 riders take to the road.

 > Not unusual compared to some of the other larger fields of the

day on > the same venue. Since this event went the way of many

Masters events > where there is little "real racing" the field size

stayed pretty much > the same until the start of the final lap.

Now some individuals are > getting anxious, about 4k from the finish

line two individuals cross the > centerline in a left turn on one

of the narrow streets (makes no > difference if it's a significant

crossing or not), there is a lot of > loud comments from the field, the

two riders move quickly back into the > pack, so quickly that it causes

a rider to loose control right away and > then send another rider to

the pavement incurring head, shoulder and > chest injuries. Let's

now move forward to the 400 meter region from the > finish. Our

pack of Masters has pretty much regrouped and is chomping > at the bit

for the final sprint, once again some riders are observed > moving left

across the centerline incurring the attention of the pack. >

Almost at the same time two riders on the right side of the pack start

 > to sprint and knock into each other, they go down, one rider suffers

a > significant facial injury cutting an artery. >

 > Today we see on OBRA CHAT that the Masters field has further >

"distinguished" themselves with obscene language that can easily be >

heard by corner marshals and bystanders young and old.........ARE YOU >

HAVING FUN????? > > Folks this is supposed to be a fun

hobby.....it sure doesn't appear that > way these days, such a not so

nice example to be presenting to others. > > I suppose you

can chastise me as much as you want for making these > comments as I

normally sit back and just read. Keep in mind that the > comments

noted above are observations noted by many, so be careful on > your

responses lest you put your foot farther in your mouth. > > Ron

Magnus; Portland, OR > 503-244-4866 > > > To

respond to the whole group send to <A

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rich cramer

2002-04-02

Many thanks to all the racers (and officials) who shared their Easter with us at the Piece of Cake race on Sunday. Thanks to the sunny weather we had a great turnout, and a successful/safe race.

Presto Velo/Bike n'Hike

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