the categories are not just BS. they are there for safety as well. skill levels are WAY DIFFERENT. you may be able to sit in, but that doesnt mean you've earned the right to be there. upgrade accordingly. the PIR 1/2/3 race is sketchy enough as is w/out cat 4's thrown in. no one wants to get wrecked out at a training race, let alone by someone who hasnt earned the rights to be in it to begin with. if you want a fast pace, ride at the pointy end of the 3/4 race. dont by any means latch onto the back of an 80 person field to test the pace and "chat with friends".
spencer
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From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org on behalf of Candi Murray
Sent: Wed 6/24/2009 10:48 AM
To: 'jamie'; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] And just what category are you?
Technically you cannot ride in a field you are not registered for. So if you wanted to ride at the back of another field you should register for both.
Riders should not participate in the race( no lead outs etc and should not cross the finish line) after then have been dropped and gotten back in, or have had a flat.
Candi
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From: jamie [mailto:jmikami@comcast.net]
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:52 AM
To: cmurray@obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] And just what category are you?
I was going to send this to the group/but opted to get your thoughts first. Back in the day when we only tracked those in the points it seems this was never an issue, but it seems to be now. Feel free to respond to the group or just me.
So what is the official word/penalty for riding at the back of another group if you get dropped/your race is finished/somehow you end up in the wrong group? I have often been in one group and either been dropped, or finished early (cat 3/4 on Tues) or for some reason left my starting group. At these times I have at times rode at the back of the group that catches me and talk with friends back there or just ride it in while not caring if I am scored in any race. Basically I assume the penalty for riding it in at the back of the wrong group is you are DNF for the day. However suspensions for such offenses seem a bit harsh to me, of course if officials are really against this behaviour that would be something that catches my attention and ensure I don't do it in the future. I have also heard mixed responses from officials and promoters at races who while admitting it is wrong, say it is not really a big issue, while others seem to think it is a bad idea. Basically as I understood it, ride at the very back and leave the racing to those in front. I think I even heard the question asked last night and is was half ignored in the don't ask don't tell way .. or maybe as it wasn't heard correctly. I was actually planning to ride a few laps last night with the 1/2/3s after my race to see if I should ride that group next week, but just figured I would do it anyways and get home.
So is there something wrong with riding at the back of the wrong group that warrants more than a DNF for the day? Am I the bad rule breaker that just can't conform to societies rules? Just curious what the thought is, along with the official rules so that I know what the penalty is for breaking the rules and ride accordingly.
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From: Scott Jones
To: obra@list.obra.org
Cc: thejakesnakes@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] And just what category are you?
This is the exact reason why I give very clear instructions on how to overtake and neutral at PIR on Monday nights. But even with clear instructions, people still do what they want, as was evidence on Monday night. I've raced on both Monday and Tuesday nights at PIR and I know that the official on Tuesday also discusses about how to neutralize.
When I say to stay to one side of the road and the other group proceed on the other side of the road, this is the reason why. When we race, we get caught up in racing and I can see why you could potentially lose track when two groups are so close and for some reason at the time of the overtake you could join the wrong group. Although I think you should know better, it does happen. When you race week after week, you usually can tell who does and doesn't belong in your group.
The point of keeping groups separated out at PIR is so that people do not jump from one group to another.
-Scott
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 12:10 AM, Jacob Cummings wrote:
I have possible explanations for this. Because I noticed guys from the 3/4s on my wheel as soon as we passed them. I knew something was probably wrong but didn't say anything. Because I trusted they weren't being jackasses and breaking neutral.
So, dudes who hopped on, I WAS UPGRADED TO A 3 TODAY. And decided to race the 123s. Ohkay? Thx.
Also, below is the cat3 confirmation from Kenji:
Jacob-
Congrats on the upgrade!
Jacob Cummings wrote:
Hi Kenji,
Thanks for all your help so far this season. I really appreciate how responsive you have been.
Last I heard from you, I had 24 upgrade points toward cat3 and needed one non-pir race to qualify.
I believe I am now eligible with two tabor races added.
Thanks!
Bib #2861 Jacob Cummings
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