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Erik Voldengen

2002-04-05

and I'm not talking

about just saddle height, fore aft, stem length stuff here

(that's only 40-50% of it...) .... there is much more involved.

Like what? Saddle and handlebar location seem to be the main thing

one can adjust on a normal bicycle. Are you talking cleat placement?

Crank length? I can't think of anything else. Do share.

-Erik

Jerry Powell

2002-04-05

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Hi there... the advice offered below might be fine, and for most

cases, it's correct. However, to ignore the symptoms Craig is having

without getting it checked out by a sports med specialist (your

choice alliopathic or naturopathic or chiropractic) is irresponsible.

Furthermore, to rely on advice offered in an unsigned (anonymous)

post is stupid, even if the supporting information is generally

correct

Jerry Powell (elite coach)

At 8:59 PM -0800 4/4/02, jfw-@attbi.com wrote:

I recommend you consider taking Glucosamine Condroitin along with a

modified training schedule for a few weeks. Glucosamine and

Condroitin are naturally occurring sulfates in the body.

Supplementing them helps promote healthy joints & connective tissue.

A couple of years ago I had similar problems that you are describing

and I started taking these sulfates and everything cleared up. I

stopped, and the next season the same thing happened, took the

sulfates, things cleared up. Now I just take them regularly along

with my multivitamins. I have seen reference to these sulfates in a

couple of cycling books and they both agree Clucosamine Condroitin

helps cyclist with joint distress (Serious Cycling, by Edmund R.

Burke => "68 athletes with cartilage damage in their knees were

given 1500 mg of Glucosamine sulfate daily for 40 days, and then 750

mg for about 90 to 100 days. Of the 68 athletes, 52 enjoyed complete

disappearance of their symptoms and resumed full athletic training.

Follow up 12 month later showed no signs of cartilage damage in any

of the athletes") !

Good luck !

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From: craig [mailto:csina-@hotmail.com]

Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 7:10 PM

To: obra

Subject: [OBRA Chat] knee aggravations

i'm having some knee troubles and i'm wondering if anyone can shed

some light. i feel like it was caused by simply overdoing it

training wise these last few weeks and this is my body's way of

saying stop. although i've been pretty consistent w/ rest and

mileage i did start doing two sessions on wednesdays, morning and

evening, at higher intensities. then on thursday of last week did

an 80 mile ride at conversational pace/low gears and afterwards

sitting at a booth in a restaurant my knee started to act up. been

resting since then and went for a ride today and it felt like a saw

coming throught the front of the kneecap. any thoughts or

suggestions on recovery would be appreciated. feel free to email me

directly at <mailto:csina-@hotmail.com>csina-@hotmail.com

cycling sure is fun

craig

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<div>Hi there... the advice offered below might be fine, and for most

cases, it's correct. However, to ignore the symptoms Craig is

having without getting it checked out by a sports med specialist (your

choice alliopathic or naturopathic or chiropractic) is irresponsible.

Furthermore, to rely on advice offered in an unsigned (anonymous) post

is stupid, even if the supporting information is generally

correct</div>

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<div>Jerry Powell (elite coach)</div>

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<div> </div>

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<div>At 8:59 PM -0800 4/4/02, jfw-@attbi.com wrote:</div>

<blockquote type="cite" cite> </blockquote>

<blockquote type="cite" cite><tt> </tt></blockquote>

<blockquote type="cite" cite>I recommend you consider taking Glucosamine Condroitin

along with a modified training schedule for a few weeks. Glucosamine

and Condroitin are naturally occurring sulfates in the body.

Supplementing them helps promote healthy joints & connective

tissue. A couple of years ago I had similar problems that you are

describing and I started taking these sulfates and everything cleared

up. I stopped, and the next season the same thing happened, took the

sulfates, things cleared up. Now I just take them regularly along with

my multivitamins. I have seen reference to these sulfates in a couple

of cycling books and they both agree Clucosamine Condroitin helps

cyclist with joint distress (Serious Cycling, by Edmund R. Burke

=> "68 athletes with cartilage damage in their knees were given

1500 mg of Glucosamine sulfate daily for 40 days, and then 750 mg for

about 90 to 100 days. Of the 68 athletes, 52 enjoyed complete

disappearance of their symptoms and resumed full athletic training.

Follow up 12 month later showed no signs of cartilage damage in any of

the athletes") !</blockquote>

<blockquote type="cite" cite> </blockquote>

<blockquote type="cite" cite>Good luck ! 

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From: craig [mailto:csina-@hotmail.com] 

Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 7:10 PM 

To: obra</blockquote>

<blockquote type="cite" cite>Subject: [OBRA

Chat] knee aggravations</blockquote>

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<blockquote type="cite" cite><tt> </tt></blockquote>

<blockquote type="cite" cite>i'm having

some knee troubles and i'm wondering if anyone can shed some light.

i feel like it was caused by simply overdoing it training wise these

last few weeks and this is my body's way of saying stop.

although i've been pretty consistent w/ rest and mileage i did start

doing two sessions on wednesdays, morning and evening, at higher

intensities. then on thursday of last week did an 80 mile ride

at conversational pace/low gears and afterwards sitting at a booth in

a restaurant my knee started to act up. been resting since then

and went for a ride today and it felt like a saw coming throught the

front of the kneecap. any thoughts or suggestions on recovery

would be appreciated. feel free to email me directly at <a

href="mailto:csina-@hotmail.com">csina-@hotmail.com</a> 

</blockquote>

<blockquote type="cite" cite> </blockquote>

<blockquote type="cite" cite>cycling sure

is fun 

</blockquote>

<blockquote type="cite" cite>craig</blockquote>

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David Oliphant

2002-04-05

I recommend that you go see someone that will fit you on your bike correctly. Why treat the symptoms when you can fix the problem! It all starts with your fit .... and I'm not talking about just saddle height, fore aft, stem length stuff here (that's only 40-50% of it...) .... there is much more involved. Scott works directly with Team Saturn, Navigators, Prime Alliance and more.

Scott Peterson

Foot Fitness

Work: 541-617-1505

Fax: 541-617-1527

E-Mail: pp-@cmc.net

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Bend, OR 97701

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I recommend you consider taking Glucosamine Condroitin along with a

modified training schedule for a few weeks. Glucosamine and Condroitin

are naturally occurring sulfates in the body. Supplementing them helps

promote healthy joints & connective tissue. A couple of years ago I had

similar problems that you are describing and I started taking these

sulfates and everything cleared up. I stopped, and the next season the

same thing happened, took the sulfates, things cleared up. Now I just

take them regularly along with my multivitamins. I have seen reference

to these sulfates in a couple of cycling books and they both agree

Clucosamine Condroitin helps cyclist with joint distress (Serious

Cycling, by Edmund R. Burke => "68 athletes with cartilage damage in

their knees were given 1500 mg of Glucosamine sulfate daily for 40 days,

and then 750 mg for about 90 to 100 days. Of the 68 athletes, 52 enjoyed

complete disappearance of their symptoms and resumed full athletic

training. Follow up 12 month later showed no signs of cartilage damage

in any of the athletes") !

Good luck !

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From: craig [mailto:csina-@hotmail.com]

Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 7:10 PM

To: obra

Subject: [OBRA Chat] knee aggravations

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i'm having some knee troubles and i'm wondering if anyone can shed some

light. i feel like it was caused by simply overdoing it training wise

these last few weeks and this is my body's way of saying stop. although

i've been pretty consistent w/ rest and mileage i did start doing two

sessions on wednesdays, morning and evening, at higher intensities.

then on thursday of last week did an 80 mile ride at conversational

pace/low gears and afterwards sitting at a booth in a restaurant my knee

started to act up. been resting since then and went for a ride today

and it felt like a saw coming throught the front of the kneecap. any

thoughts or suggestions on recovery would be appreciated. feel free to

email me directly at csina-@hotmail.com

<mailto:csina-@hotmail.com>

cycling sure is fun

craig

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I recommend you consider taking Glucosamine Condroitin along with a

modified training schedule for a few weeks. Glucosamine and Condroitin

are naturally occurring sulfates in the body. Supplementing them helps

promote healthy joints & connective tissue. A couple of years ago I had

similar problems that you are describing and I started taking these

sulfates and everything cleared up. I stopped, and the next season the

same thing happened, took the sulfates, things cleared up. Now I just

take them regularly along with my multivitamins. I have seen reference

to these sulfates in a couple of cycling books and they both agree

Clucosamine Condroitin helps cyclist with joint distress (Serious

Cycling, by Edmund R. Burke => "68 athletes with cartilage damage in

their knees were given 1500 mg of Glucosamine sulfate daily for 40 days,

and then 750 mg for about 90 to 100 days. Of the 68 athletes, 52 enjoyed

complete disappearance of their symptoms and resumed full athletic

training. Follow up 12 month later showed no signs of cartilage damage

in any of the athletes") !

Good luck !

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From: craig [mailto:csina-@hotmail.com]

Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 7:10 PM

To: obra

Subject: [OBRA Chat] knee aggravations

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i'm having some knee troubles and i'm wondering if anyone can shed some

light. i feel like it was caused by simply overdoing it training wise

these last few weeks and this is my body's way of saying stop. although

i've been pretty consistent w/ rest and mileage i did start doing two

sessions on wednesdays, morning and evening, at higher intensities.

then on thursday of last week did an 80 mile ride at conversational

pace/low gears and afterwards sitting at a booth in a restaurant my knee

started to act up. been resting since then and went for a ride today

and it felt like a saw coming throught the front of the kneecap. any

thoughts or suggestions on recovery would be appreciated. feel free to

email me directly at csina-@hotmail.com

cycling sure is fun

craig

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I recommend you consider taking Glucosamine

Condroitin along with a modified training schedule for a few weeks. Glucosamine

and Condroitin are naturally occurring sulfates in the body. Supplementing them

helps promote healthy joints & connective tissue. A couple of years ago I

had similar problems that you are describing and I started taking these

sulfates and everything cleared up. I stopped, and the next season the same

thing happened, took the sulfates, things cleared up. Now I just take them

regularly along with my multivitamins. I have seen reference to these sulfates in

a couple of cycling books and they both agree Clucosamine Condroitin helps

cyclist with joint distress (Serious Cycling, by Edmund R. Burke => “68

athletes with cartilage damage in their knees were given 1500 mg of Glucosamine

sulfate daily for 40 days, and then 750 mg for about 90 to 100 days. Of the 68

athletes, 52 enjoyed complete disappearance of their symptoms and resumed full

athletic training. Follow up 12 month later showed no signs of cartilage damage

in any of the athletes”) !

 

Good luck !

 

 

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i'm having some knee troubles and

i'm wondering if anyone can shed some light. i feel like it was caused by

simply overdoing it training wise these last few weeks and this is my body's

way of saying stop. although i've been pretty consistent w/ rest and

mileage i did start doing two sessions on wednesdays, morning and evening, at

higher intensities. then on thursday of last week did an 80 mile ride at

conversational pace/low gears and afterwards sitting at a booth in a restaurant

my knee started to act up. been resting since then and went for a ride

today and it felt like a saw coming throught the front of the kneecap.

any thoughts or suggestions on recovery would be appreciated. feel free

to email me directly at <a href="mailto:csina-@hotmail.com">csina-@hotmail.com</a>



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i'm having some knee troubles and i'm wondering if anyone can shed some light. i feel like it was caused by simply overdoing it training wise these last few weeks and this is my body's way of saying stop. although i've been pretty consistent w/ rest and mileage i did start doing two sessions on wednesdays, morning and evening, at higher intensities. then on thursday of last week did an 80 mile ride at conversational pace/low gears and afterwards sitting at a booth in a restaurant my knee started to act up. been resting since then and went for a ride today and it felt like a saw coming throught the front of the kneecap. any thoughts or suggestions on recovery would be appreciated. feel free to email me directly at csina-@hotmail.com

cycling sure is fun

craig

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<DIV>i'm having some knee troubles and i'm wondering if

anyone can shed some light. i feel like it was caused by simply overdoing

it training wise these last few weeks and this is my body's way of saying

stop. although i've been pretty consistent w/ rest and mileage i did start

doing two sessions on wednesdays, morning and evening, at higher

intensities. then on thursday of last week did an 80 mile ride at

conversational pace/low gears and afterwards sitting at a booth in a restaurant

my knee started to act up. been resting since then and went for a ride

today and it felt like a saw coming throught the front of the kneecap. any

thoughts or suggestions on recovery would be appreciated. feel free to

email me directly at <A

href="mailto:csina-@hotmail.com">csina-@hotmail.com</A> </DIV>

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<DIV>cycling sure is fun</DIV>

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