OBRA: OBRA Chat: A new velodrome inside Memo...

smclaughry

2009-07-07

I've begun the process of cleaning up the pdxvelo.org website. The "contact" and "support" links should be working now. I realize that most of the content is pretty stale, but most of our recent work has been of the "closed door meeting" variety that doesn't lend itself to public announcement.

A sudden flood of traffic to the website (and to the contact email) would be a welcome show of support.

Thanks,
Stephen McLaughry
Portland Velodrome Committee

>
>From: john
>To: obra@list.obra.org
>Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2009 11:54:13 AM
>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] A new velodrome inside Memorial Coliseum?
>
>
>Now it would be nice if the website could get fixed ( http://www.pdxvelo.org/ ).
>
>I and many others have been trying to pledge "support" (ie $$) for the past 3 years to NO avail. Actually this email is very deja vu several times over.
>
>I am assuming the "show the support" would be well past a critical point if the website would work or if someone would be tracking this... ?
>
> If help is needed, ask, as we have seen there a lot of talented obra people out there.
>
>
>
>On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 11:36 AM, joe cipale wrote:
>
>This is all well and good, but the glass/brick monstrosity known as Memorial
>>Coliseum will remain as it is right now: An unused glass house that is
>>>>hoisted as a 'shrine' to a long lost 'Blazers Era'. It serves no real
>>purpose, other than being a drain on the tax rolls (do they even collect
>>taxes on it?).
>>
>>Tear the damn thing down and build the baseball stadium in its place and make
>>>>the Rose Garden part of a entertainment district like most other major
>>metropolitan cities have done.
>>
>>Joe
>>
>>
>>On Tuesday 07 July 2009 11:31, Jonathan Maus wrote:
>>> Hey race fans,
>>>
>>> Just wanted to bring your attention to Steve Brown's latest effort/
>>> idea to get a velodrome build in Portland.
>>>>>
>>> Here's a report (and a concept drawing of how a track would look
>>> inside Mem. Coliseum):
>>>
>>> http://bit.ly/17QCBH
>>>
>>> This is a real idea that I personally think has a lot of upside (for a
>>>>> variety of reasons). With a lot of support from Portlanders, there
>>> might just be a way to fit a velodrome into upcoming Rose Quarter
>>> redevelopment plans. stay tuned...
>>>
>>> --Jonathan
>>>>> _____________________
>>> Jonathan Maus
>>> Publisher/Editor-in-chief
>>> BikePortland.org
>>>
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Gregory Leblanc

2009-07-07

On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Steve Brown wrote:
> Brian,
> Not a bad idea. But the banking is a real problem. As someone who spend a
> few afternoons and evenings running at the old Oregon Indoor track meet I am
> very familiar with indoor track. I understand that Concordia College will
> be building a new indoor complex.

Probably Concordia University, if you're talking about the one out in
NE. Last I knew, there was no Concordia College in Portland.
Greg

Ron and Dorothy Strasser

2009-07-07

I do not ride the velodrome, but if there were a chance to have one done right INSIDE a covered / eviro. controlled building, I would think most cyclists (including this off-roader) would get on board backing the effort. And nothing is free, even if we think it is free.
If we are keeping the glass box, including a velodrome as part would be a great addition.
ron
----- Original Message -----
From: Jonathan Maus
To: Fergus
Cc: zak
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] A new velodrome inside Memorial Coliseum?

i will let Steve Brown address details because it's his idea..

...but I know Steve and his main impetus for this is to broaden track racing for the community... he is absolutely not the type of guy who's going to make this some sort of elite track. Steve wants to keep the OBRA vibe of openness and free access.

and as for running it like a business... i hope it is. meaning that, it needs to be run like a business for it to be sustainable.

but to step back for a minute... we are very early on with this.. it's just an idea.

--Jonathan
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On Jul 7, 2009, at 2:23 PM, Fergus wrote:

Luciano poses an interesting question; elite vs. non-elite.

Steve Brown

2009-07-07

Brian,

Not a bad idea. But the banking is a real problem. As someone who
spend a few afternoons and evenings running at the old Oregon Indoor
track meet I am very familiar with indoor track. I understand that
Concordia College will be building a new indoor complex.

Steve Brown
On Jul 7, 2009, at 2:48 PM, Brian Engelen wrote:

> Is there any possibility of adding an indoor running track to the
> velodrome? The dimensions seem similar if it is a 200 meter
> track. The corner banking is different but I’m sure someone clever
> could figure out a solution.
>
>
>
> We are sure to get more support if you include running.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-
> bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Maus
> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 2:30 PM
> To: Fergus
> Cc: zak
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] A new velodrome inside Memorial Coliseum?
>
>
>
> i will let Steve Brown address details because it's his idea..
>
>
>
> ...but I know Steve and his main impetus for this is to broaden
> track racing for the community... he is absolutely not the type of
> guy who's going to make this some sort of elite track. Steve wants
> to keep the OBRA vibe of openness and free access.
>
>
>
> and as for running it like a business... i hope it is. meaning
> that, it needs to be run like a business for it to be sustainable.
>
>
>
> but to step back for a minute... we are very early on with this..
> it's just an idea.
>
>
>
>
>
> --Jonathan
>
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> On Jul 7, 2009, at 2:23 PM, Fergus wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Luciano poses an interesting question; elite vs. non-elite.
>
>
>
> More questions:
>
>
>
> Alpenrose is pretty much free as far as I can tell. Will this new
> shiny velodrome in the heart of Portland be free as well?
>
>
>
> Will someone just give it to us?
>
>
>
> Will someone be running it as a business?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jul 7, 2009, at 1:10 PM, Luciano bailey wrote:
>
>
>
>
> It is a great idea and one I have personally lead the parade for
> the last decade what is still in question is why we want a
> velodrome in Memorial. If it is to serve only as an elite venue
> (ADT) center LA than I say ney, if this would bring back the spirit
> of 1904 Madison Square Garden then bring it on.
>
> > From: jonathan@bikeportland.org
> > To: obra@list.obra.org
> > Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 11:31:21 -0700
> > Subject: [OBRA Chat] A new velodrome inside Memorial Coliseum?
> >
> > Hey race fans,
> >
> > Just wanted to bring your attention to Steve Brown's latest effort/
> > idea to get a velodrome build in Portland.
> >
> > Here's a report (and a concept drawing of how a track would look
> > inside Mem. Coliseum):
> >
> > http://bit.ly/17QCBH
> >
> > This is a real idea that I personally think has a lot of upside
> (for a
> > variety of reasons). With a lot of support from Portlanders, there
> > might just be a way to fit a velodrome into upcoming Rose Quarter
> > redevelopment plans. stay tuned...
> >
> > --Jonathan
> > _____________________
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Brian Engelen

2009-07-07

Is there any possibility of adding an indoor running track to the velodrome?
The dimensions seem similar if it is a 200 meter track. The corner banking
is different but I'm sure someone clever could figure out a solution.

We are sure to get more support if you include running.

_____

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Jonathan Maus
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 2:30 PM
To: Fergus
Cc: zak
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] A new velodrome inside Memorial Coliseum?

i will let Steve Brown address details because it's his idea..

...but I know Steve and his main impetus for this is to broaden track racing
for the community... he is absolutely not the type of guy who's going to
make this some sort of elite track. Steve wants to keep the OBRA vibe of
openness and free access.

and as for running it like a business... i hope it is. meaning that, it
needs to be run like a business for it to be sustainable.

but to step back for a minute... we are very early on with this.. it's just
an idea.

--Jonathan

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On Jul 7, 2009, at 2:23 PM, Fergus wrote:

Luciano poses an interesting question; elite vs. non-elite.

Steve Brown

2009-07-07

Fergus,

Plan is to keep the same program. This will not be a business,
article clearly states that. The track is the cheapest part of any
indoor velodrome project. The goal is to run it as it it run now.
But please keep in mind that race fees, volunteers the dairy and
sponsors, pay for the program, it is not free.
As I have mentioned before, elite programs are great for one or two
days a year. Alpenrose has about the most vibrant track program in
the country and it serves all. Last week was the Six Day, next week
the AVC. The whole idea is to create the lowest cost public use of a
building that does not have a current viable commercial use. We are
not talking about creating a temple. Just putting a simple wood
track in the existing floor plan and bringing the program along for
the fun.

Steve Brown
On Jul 7, 2009, at 2:23 PM, Fergus wrote:

> Luciano poses an interesting question; elite vs. non-elite.
>
> More questions:
>
> Alpenrose is pretty much free as far as I can tell. Will this new
> shiny velodrome in the heart of Portland be free as well?
>
> Will someone just give it to us?
>
> Will someone be running it as a business?
>
>
>
> On Jul 7, 2009, at 1:10 PM, Luciano bailey wrote:
>
>> It is a great idea and one I have personally lead the parade for
>> the last decade what is still in question is why we want a
>> velodrome in Memorial. If it is to serve only as an elite venue
>> (ADT) center LA than I say ney, if this would bring back the
>> spirit of 1904 Madison Square Garden then bring it on.
>>
>> > From: jonathan@bikeportland.org
>> > To: obra@list.obra.org
>> > Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 11:31:21 -0700
>> > Subject: [OBRA Chat] A new velodrome inside Memorial Coliseum?
>> >
>> > Hey race fans,
>> >
>> > Just wanted to bring your attention to Steve Brown's latest effort/
>> > idea to get a velodrome build in Portland.
>> >
>> > Here's a report (and a concept drawing of how a track would look
>> > inside Mem. Coliseum):
>> >
>> > http://bit.ly/17QCBH
>> >
>> > This is a real idea that I personally think has a lot of upside
>> (for a
>> > variety of reasons). With a lot of support from Portlanders, there
>> > might just be a way to fit a velodrome into upcoming Rose Quarter
>> > redevelopment plans. stay tuned...
>> >
>> > --Jonathan
>> > _____________________
>> > Jonathan Maus
>> > Publisher/Editor-in-chief
>> > BikePortland.org
>> >
>> > http://www.BikePortland.org
>> > News Tipline/Cell: (503) 706-8804
>> > jonathan@bikeportland.org
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>> >
>> >
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Jonathan Maus

2009-07-07

i will let Steve Brown address details because it's his idea..

...but I know Steve and his main impetus for this is to broaden track
racing for the community... he is absolutely not the type of guy who's
going to make this some sort of elite track. Steve wants to keep the
OBRA vibe of openness and free access.

and as for running it like a business... i hope it is. meaning that,
it needs to be run like a business for it to be sustainable.

but to step back for a minute... we are very early on with this.. it's
just an idea.

--Jonathan
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On Jul 7, 2009, at 2:23 PM, Fergus wrote:

> Luciano poses an interesting question; elite vs. non-elite.
>
> More questions:
>
> Alpenrose is pretty much free as far as I can tell. Will this new
> shiny velodrome in the heart of Portland be free as well?
>
> Will someone just give it to us?
>
> Will someone be running it as a business?
>
>
>
> On Jul 7, 2009, at 1:10 PM, Luciano bailey wrote:
>
>> It is a great idea and one I have personally lead the parade for
>> the last decade what is still in question is why we want a
>> velodrome in Memorial. If it is to serve only as an elite venue
>> (ADT) center LA than I say ney, if this would bring back the spirit
>> of 1904 Madison Square Garden then bring it on.
>>
>> > From: jonathan@bikeportland.org
>> > To: obra@list.obra.org
>> > Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 11:31:21 -0700
>> > Subject: [OBRA Chat] A new velodrome inside Memorial Coliseum?
>> >
>> > Hey race fans,
>> >
>> > Just wanted to bring your attention to Steve Brown's latest effort/
>> > idea to get a velodrome build in Portland.
>> >
>> > Here's a report (and a concept drawing of how a track would look
>> > inside Mem. Coliseum):
>> >
>> > http://bit.ly/17QCBH
>> >
>> > This is a real idea that I personally think has a lot of upside
>> (for a
>> > variety of reasons). With a lot of support from Portlanders, there
>> > might just be a way to fit a velodrome into upcoming Rose Quarter
>> > redevelopment plans. stay tuned...
>> >
>> > --Jonathan
>> > _____________________
>> > Jonathan Maus
>> > Publisher/Editor-in-chief
>> > BikePortland.org
>> >
>> > http://www.BikePortland.org
>> > News Tipline/Cell: (503) 706-8804
>> > jonathan@bikeportland.org
>> > http://twitter.com/bikeportland
>> >
>> >
>> >
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Fergus

2009-07-07

Luciano poses an interesting question; elite vs. non-elite.

smclaughry

2009-07-07

There is no intention to make this an elite-only racing facility. The track will be designed to be much easier to ride than Alpenrose, but it will only be 200M, which makes it unsuitable for World Cup style racing. The target audience is much more the Portland bike community, including (but not limited to) OBRA racing.

>
>From: Luciano bailey
>To: jonathan maus ; zak
>Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2009 1:10:47 PM
>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] A new velodrome inside Memorial Coliseum?
>
> >
>It is a great idea and one I have personally lead the parade for the last decade what is still in question is why we want a velodrome in Memorial. If it is to serve only as an elite venue (ADT) center LA than I say ney, if this would bring back the spirit of 1904 Madison Square Garden then bring it on.
>
>> From: jonathan@bikeportland.org
>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 11:31:21 -0700
>> Subject: [OBRA Chat] A new velodrome inside Memorial Coliseum?
>>
>> Hey race fans,
>>
>> Just wanted to bring your attention to Steve Brown's latest effort/
>> idea to get a velodrome build in Portland.
>>
>> Here's a report (and a concept drawing of how a track would look
>> inside Mem. Coliseum):
>>
>> http://bit.ly/17QCBH
>>
>> This is a real idea that I personally think has a lot of upside (for a
>> variety of reasons). With a lot of support from Portlanders, there
>> might just be a way to fit a velodrome into upcoming Rose Quarter
>> redevelopment plans. stay tuned...
>>
>> --Jonathan
>> _____________________
>> Jonathan Maus
>> Publisher/Editor-in-chief
>> BikePortland.org
>>
>> http://www.BikePortland.org
>> News Tipline/Cell: (503) 706-8804
>> jonathan@bikeportland.org
>> http://twitter.com/bikeportland
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>>
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Brian Ratliff

2009-07-07

I, for one, would love it if there were an indoor track here in Portland.
Imagine 6 day racing through the winter for the road sprinters to stay in
shape, and not having the racing be limited by season, nightfall or weather!
I would like it very much if track racing didn't have to conflict directly
with the summer road season. And definitely part of what keeps track kind
of small (as far as number of participants) is the limited, seasonal use of
Alpenrose.
Also, having another track available for racing on will, perhaps, allow
Alpenrose to be renovated in a more robust fashion sometime in the future.

On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Luciano bailey wrote:

> In terms of a retro fit I have 3 different versions that will change the
> facade without costly engineering to the structure as for those tear
> everything down folks if the economy hasn't lead you to a state of grace
> nothing will. And lets not forget this list of venues partners I would bring
> roller derby with free skating after.
>
> > From: sbrown@stevebrowncompany.com
> > Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 12:01:16 -0700
> > To: joec@aracnet.com
> > CC: obra@list.obra.org
> > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] A new velodrome inside Memorial Coliseum?
>
> >
> > Joe,
> >
> > The MC with the velodrome inside becomes the "ice skating rink" in
> > the mall. It will be the heart of the area. Saving it with the
> > velodrome is less costly than tearing it down.
> >
> >
> > Steve Brown
> > On Jul 7, 2009, at 11:36 AM, joe cipale wrote:
> >
> > > This is all well and good, but the glass/brick monstrosity known as
> > > Memorial
> > > Coliseum will remain as it is right now: An unused glass house that is
> > > hoisted as a 'shrine' to a long lost 'Blazers Era'. It serves no real
> > > purpose, other than being a drain on the tax rolls (do they even
> > > collect
> > > taxes on it?).
> > >
> > > Tear the damn thing down and build the baseball stadium in its
> > > place and make
> > > the Rose Garden part of a entertainment district like most other major
> > > metropolitan cities have done.
> > >
> > > Joe
> > >
> > > On Tuesday 07 July 2009 11:31, Jonathan Maus wrote:
> > >> Hey race fans,
> > >>
> > >> Just wanted to bring your attention to Steve Brown's latest effort/
> > >> idea to get a velodrome build in Portland.
> > >>
> > >> Here's a report (and a concept drawing of how a track would look
> > >> inside Mem. Coliseum):
> > >>
> > >> http://bit.ly/17QCBH
> > >>
> > >> This is a real idea that I personally think has a lot of upside
> > >> (for a
> > >> variety of reasons). With a lot of support from Portlanders, there
> > >> might just be a way to fit a velodrome into upcoming Rose Quarter
> > >> redevelopment plans. stay tuned...
> > >>
> > >> --Jonathan
> > >> _____________________
> > >> Jonathan Maus
> > >> Publisher/Editor-in-chief
> > >> BikePortland.org
> > >>
> > >> http://www.BikePortland.org
> > >> News Tipline/Cell: (503) 706-8804
> > >> jonathan@bikeportland.org
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> > >>
> > >>
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Steve Brown

2009-07-07

Luciano,

The main point behind the city even bringing up the idea is to have
the same type of program we have at Alpenrose. Elite only programs
are great for one or two days a year, we need a program just like we
have now. Wednesday night beginners class and the open ride at lunch
should be as big as elite training. Do you think we could have a
better place for a kids program?

Steve Brown
On Jul 7, 2009, at 1:10 PM, Luciano bailey wrote:

> It is a great idea and one I have personally lead the parade for
> the last decade what is still in question is why we want a
> velodrome in Memorial. If it is to serve only as an elite venue
> (ADT) center LA than I say ney, if this would bring back the spirit
> of 1904 Madison Square Garden then bring it on.
>
> > From: jonathan@bikeportland.org
> > To: obra@list.obra.org
> > Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 11:31:21 -0700
> > Subject: [OBRA Chat] A new velodrome inside Memorial Coliseum?
> >
> > Hey race fans,
> >
> > Just wanted to bring your attention to Steve Brown's latest effort/
> > idea to get a velodrome build in Portland.
> >
> > Here's a report (and a concept drawing of how a track would look
> > inside Mem. Coliseum):
> >
> > http://bit.ly/17QCBH
> >
> > This is a real idea that I personally think has a lot of upside
> (for a
> > variety of reasons). With a lot of support from Portlanders, there
> > might just be a way to fit a velodrome into upcoming Rose Quarter
> > redevelopment plans. stay tuned...
> >
> > --Jonathan
> > _____________________
> > Jonathan Maus
> > Publisher/Editor-in-chief
> > BikePortland.org
> >
> > http://www.BikePortland.org
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Luciano bailey

2009-07-07

In terms of a retro fit I have 3 different versions that will change the facade without costly engineering to the structure as for those tear everything down folks if the economy hasn't lead you to a state of grace nothing will. And lets not forget this list of venues partners I would bring roller derby with free skating after.

> From: sbrown@stevebrowncompany.com
> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 12:01:16 -0700
> To: joec@aracnet.com
> CC: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] A new velodrome inside Memorial Coliseum?
>
> Joe,
>
> The MC with the velodrome inside becomes the "ice skating rink" in
> the mall. It will be the heart of the area. Saving it with the
> velodrome is less costly than tearing it down.
>
>
> Steve Brown
> On Jul 7, 2009, at 11:36 AM, joe cipale wrote:
>
> > This is all well and good, but the glass/brick monstrosity known as
> > Memorial
> > Coliseum will remain as it is right now: An unused glass house that is
> > hoisted as a 'shrine' to a long lost 'Blazers Era'. It serves no real
> > purpose, other than being a drain on the tax rolls (do they even
> > collect
> > taxes on it?).
> >
> > Tear the damn thing down and build the baseball stadium in its
> > place and make
> > the Rose Garden part of a entertainment district like most other major
> > metropolitan cities have done.
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > On Tuesday 07 July 2009 11:31, Jonathan Maus wrote:
> >> Hey race fans,
> >>
> >> Just wanted to bring your attention to Steve Brown's latest effort/
> >> idea to get a velodrome build in Portland.
> >>
> >> Here's a report (and a concept drawing of how a track would look
> >> inside Mem. Coliseum):
> >>
> >> http://bit.ly/17QCBH
> >>
> >> This is a real idea that I personally think has a lot of upside
> >> (for a
> >> variety of reasons). With a lot of support from Portlanders, there
> >> might just be a way to fit a velodrome into upcoming Rose Quarter
> >> redevelopment plans. stay tuned...
> >>
> >> --Jonathan
> >> _____________________
> >> Jonathan Maus
> >> Publisher/Editor-in-chief
> >> BikePortland.org
> >>
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Luciano bailey

2009-07-07

It is a great idea and one I have personally lead the parade for the last decade what is still in question is why we want a velodrome in Memorial. If it is to serve only as an elite venue (ADT) center LA than I say ney, if this would bring back the spirit of 1904 Madison Square Garden then bring it on.

> From: jonathan@bikeportland.org
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 11:31:21 -0700
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] A new velodrome inside Memorial Coliseum?
>
> Hey race fans,
>
> Just wanted to bring your attention to Steve Brown's latest effort/
> idea to get a velodrome build in Portland.
>
> Here's a report (and a concept drawing of how a track would look
> inside Mem. Coliseum):
>
> http://bit.ly/17QCBH
>
> This is a real idea that I personally think has a lot of upside (for a
> variety of reasons). With a lot of support from Portlanders, there
> might just be a way to fit a velodrome into upcoming Rose Quarter
> redevelopment plans. stay tuned...
>
> --Jonathan
> _____________________
> Jonathan Maus
> Publisher/Editor-in-chief
> BikePortland.org
>
> http://www.BikePortland.org
> News Tipline/Cell: (503) 706-8804
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Steve Brown

2009-07-07

Joe,

The MC with the velodrome inside becomes the "ice skating rink" in
the mall. It will be the heart of the area. Saving it with the
velodrome is less costly than tearing it down.

Steve Brown
On Jul 7, 2009, at 11:36 AM, joe cipale wrote:

> This is all well and good, but the glass/brick monstrosity known as
> Memorial
> Coliseum will remain as it is right now: An unused glass house that is
> hoisted as a 'shrine' to a long lost 'Blazers Era'. It serves no real
> purpose, other than being a drain on the tax rolls (do they even
> collect
> taxes on it?).
>
> Tear the damn thing down and build the baseball stadium in its
> place and make
> the Rose Garden part of a entertainment district like most other major
> metropolitan cities have done.
>
> Joe
>
> On Tuesday 07 July 2009 11:31, Jonathan Maus wrote:
>> Hey race fans,
>>
>> Just wanted to bring your attention to Steve Brown's latest effort/
>> idea to get a velodrome build in Portland.
>>
>> Here's a report (and a concept drawing of how a track would look
>> inside Mem. Coliseum):
>>
>> http://bit.ly/17QCBH
>>
>> This is a real idea that I personally think has a lot of upside
>> (for a
>> variety of reasons). With a lot of support from Portlanders, there
>> might just be a way to fit a velodrome into upcoming Rose Quarter
>> redevelopment plans. stay tuned...
>>
>> --Jonathan
>> _____________________
>> Jonathan Maus
>> Publisher/Editor-in-chief
>> BikePortland.org
>>
>> http://www.BikePortland.org
>> News Tipline/Cell: (503) 706-8804
>> jonathan@bikeportland.org
>> http://twitter.com/bikeportland
>>
>>
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john

2009-07-07

Now it would be nice if the website could get fixed (
http://www.pdxvelo.org/ ).

I and many others have been trying to pledge "support" (ie $$) for the past
3 years to NO avail. Actually this email is very deja vu several times
over.

I am assuming the "show the support" would be well past a critical point if
the website would work or if someone would be tracking this... ?

If help is needed, ask, as we have seen there a lot of talented obra people
out there.

On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 11:36 AM, joe cipale wrote:

> This is all well and good, but the glass/brick monstrosity known as
> Memorial
> Coliseum will remain as it is right now: An unused glass house that is
> hoisted as a 'shrine' to a long lost 'Blazers Era'. It serves no real
> purpose, other than being a drain on the tax rolls (do they even collect
> taxes on it?).
>
> Tear the damn thing down and build the baseball stadium in its place and
> make
> the Rose Garden part of a entertainment district like most other major
> metropolitan cities have done.
>
> Joe
>
> On Tuesday 07 July 2009 11:31, Jonathan Maus wrote:
> > Hey race fans,
> >
> > Just wanted to bring your attention to Steve Brown's latest effort/
> > idea to get a velodrome build in Portland.
> >
> > Here's a report (and a concept drawing of how a track would look
> > inside Mem. Coliseum):
> >
> > http://bit.ly/17QCBH
> >
> > This is a real idea that I personally think has a lot of upside (for a
> > variety of reasons). With a lot of support from Portlanders, there
> > might just be a way to fit a velodrome into upcoming Rose Quarter
> > redevelopment plans. stay tuned...
> >
> > --Jonathan
> > _____________________
> > Jonathan Maus
> > Publisher/Editor-in-chief
> > BikePortland.org
> >
> > http://www.BikePortland.org
> > News Tipline/Cell: (503) 706-8804
> > jonathan@bikeportland.org
> > http://twitter.com/bikeportland
> >
> >
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Jess Mace

2009-07-07

Huh...better not tell the Winterhawks that it serves no real purpose.

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Clinical Outcomes Research - Oregon Sinus Center
Department of Otolaryngology - Head and Neck Surgery
Oregon Health & Science University
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From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of joe cipale
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:36 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] A new velodrome inside Memorial Coliseum?

This is all well and good, but the glass/brick monstrosity known as Memorial
Coliseum will remain as it is right now: An unused glass house that is
hoisted as a 'shrine' to a long lost 'Blazers Era'. It serves no real
purpose, other than being a drain on the tax rolls (do they even collect
taxes on it?).

Tear the damn thing down and build the baseball stadium in its place and make
the Rose Garden part of a entertainment district like most other major
metropolitan cities have done.

Joe

On Tuesday 07 July 2009 11:31, Jonathan Maus wrote:
> Hey race fans,
>
> Just wanted to bring your attention to Steve Brown's latest effort/
> idea to get a velodrome build in Portland.
>
> Here's a report (and a concept drawing of how a track would look
> inside Mem. Coliseum):
>
> http://bit.ly/17QCBH
>
> This is a real idea that I personally think has a lot of upside (for a
> variety of reasons). With a lot of support from Portlanders, there
> might just be a way to fit a velodrome into upcoming Rose Quarter
> redevelopment plans. stay tuned...
>
> --Jonathan
> _____________________
> Jonathan Maus
> Publisher/Editor-in-chief
> BikePortland.org
>
> http://www.BikePortland.org
> News Tipline/Cell: (503) 706-8804
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2009-07-07

This is all well and good, but the glass/brick monstrosity known as Memorial
Coliseum will remain as it is right now: An unused glass house that is
hoisted as a 'shrine' to a long lost 'Blazers Era'. It serves no real
purpose, other than being a drain on the tax rolls (do they even collect
taxes on it?).

Tear the damn thing down and build the baseball stadium in its place and make
the Rose Garden part of a entertainment district like most other major
metropolitan cities have done.

Joe

On Tuesday 07 July 2009 11:31, Jonathan Maus wrote:
> Hey race fans,
>
> Just wanted to bring your attention to Steve Brown's latest effort/
> idea to get a velodrome build in Portland.
>
> Here's a report (and a concept drawing of how a track would look
> inside Mem. Coliseum):
>
> http://bit.ly/17QCBH
>
> This is a real idea that I personally think has a lot of upside (for a
> variety of reasons). With a lot of support from Portlanders, there
> might just be a way to fit a velodrome into upcoming Rose Quarter
> redevelopment plans. stay tuned...
>
> --Jonathan
> _____________________
> Jonathan Maus
> Publisher/Editor-in-chief
> BikePortland.org
>
> http://www.BikePortland.org
> News Tipline/Cell: (503) 706-8804
> jonathan@bikeportland.org
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Jonathan Maus

2009-07-07

Hey race fans,

Just wanted to bring your attention to Steve Brown's latest effort/
idea to get a velodrome build in Portland.

Here's a report (and a concept drawing of how a track would look
inside Mem. Coliseum):

http://bit.ly/17QCBH

This is a real idea that I personally think has a lot of upside (for a
variety of reasons). With a lot of support from Portlanders, there
might just be a way to fit a velodrome into upcoming Rose Quarter
redevelopment plans. stay tuned...

--Jonathan
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