Motor Vehicle with gun vs. Group of Cyclists

Michael O'Hair

2002-04-08

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It is important to remember that following through in a case like this is important. All the riders involved in this

incident may be called upon to make sworn statements, testify in court, etc. This is vitally important.



I've talked to several riders who have been run off the road, harassed, etc., and never pursued the case. Every

time some social defective skates because somebody didn't want "all the hassle" of pressing charges, that

means said defective can and probably will go out and do it again.



Perhaps Mark Ginsberg can give details as to the process of pursuing a criminal case of this nature.



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From: Scott Sloat

As our afternoon group of cyclists were headed back from a lunch time ride today on Bethany Blvd near 26, we had a rather interesting altercation with a motor vehicle. Apparently, the driver was upset with us being on the road AND riding single file. As he passed us, he tried to scrape us off the road and was then nice enough to try to run the person on the front off the road.    







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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It is important to remember that following through

in a case like this is important.  All the riders involved in

this</FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>incident may be called upon to make sworn

statements, testify in court, etc. This is vitally important.</FONT></DIV>

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I've talked to several riders who </FONT><FONT

face=Arial size=2>have been run off the road, harassed, etc., and never pursued

the case.  Every</FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>time some social defective </FONT><FONT face=Arial

size=2>skates because somebody didn't want "all the hassle" of pressing charges,

that</FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>means said defective can </FONT><FONT face=Arial

size=2>and probably will </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>go out and do it

again.</FONT></DIV>

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Perhaps </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>Mark

Ginsberg can give details as to the process of pursuing a criminal case of this

nature.</FONT></DIV>

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<DIV>As our afternoon group of cyclists were headed back from a lunch

time ride today on Bethany Blvd near 26, we had a rather interesting

altercation with a motor vehicle.  Apparently, the driver was upset with

us being on the road AND riding single file.  As he passed us, he

tried to scrape us off the road and was then nice enough to try to

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Cp53-@aol.com

2002-04-08

Hey,

    Thank you for the info about the gun weilding motorist.

    What a genius! Pulling a gun on somebody in a marked company car. I had

an experience of road rage by somebody in a company owned vehicle. I did the

same thing. I called his company on my cell phone and said "you've got a van

who just about ran me over (and I explained the situation, why he was at

fault, and made sure they knew that an accident like that would come at grear

expense to the company).

    It was tremendously satisfying to stick it to the big man in the car. If

he's not going to play by the rules, he'll pay.        CP



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I agree with Scott, be careful, but in addition to the vehicle plate and make if possible, also make sure you can identify the driver. It does not have to be exact, but white guy, dark hair, is better than nothing.

Also think about who to use the next time you need a lock replaced!

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As our afternoon group of cyclists were headed back from a lunch time ride today on Bethany Blvd near 26, we had a rather interesting altercation with a motor vehicle. Apparently, the driver was upset with us being on the road AND riding single file. As he passed us, he tried to scrape us off the road and was then nice enough to try to run the person on the front off the road.     He caught the next red-light and our group rolled to a stop on his right. Just as one of the riders inquired as to what his problem was, he wanted to express his displeasure by pulling his gun. Apparently he must have felt threatened by our lycra and shaved legs.   What level of stupidity does it take for a person to pull a gun? Actually, the question should be "What level of stupidity does it take for a person to pull a gun in his company van with the company name and phone number all over it? After several riders hit the deck, he took off. We then called 911 and have filled out a police report. I would imagine that the Beaverton Police Department will be paying him a visit this afternoon.   This is the second time I have seen this type of incident in the last 3 months. Take care and be careful on the road. When someone is driving aggressively, just get a description of the vehicle and the tag number and call the police. They get paid to deal with the idiots like this.   Apparently, it was take your gun to work day at Davis Lock and Safe. Remember PIR starts tomorrow and as of yet, I have never had any problems with motor vehicles on the track.     Scott Sloat



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<P> I agree with Scott, be careful, but in addition to the vehicle plate and make if possible, also make sure you can identify the driver. It does not have to be exact, but white guy, dark hair, is better than nothing.

<P>Also think about who to use the next time you need a lock replaced!

<P>Mark Ginsberg

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<DIV>As our afternoon group of cyclists were headed back from a lunch time ride today on Bethany Blvd near 26, we had a rather interesting altercation with a motor vehicle.  Apparently, the driver was upset with us being on the road AND riding single file.  As he passed us, he tried to scrape us off the road and was then nice enough to try to run the person on the front off the road.    </DIV>

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<DIV>He caught the next red-light and our group rolled to a stop on his right.  Just as one of the riders inquired as to what his problem was, he wanted to express his displeasure by pulling his gun.  Apparently he must have felt threatened by our lycra and shaved legs.  </DIV>

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<DIV>What level of stupidity does it take for a person to pull a gun?  Actually, the question should be "What level of stupidity does it take for a person to pull a gun in his company van with the company name and phone number all over it?</DIV>

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<DIV>After several riders hit the deck, he took off.  We then called 911 and have filled out a police report.  I would imagine that the Beaverton Police Department will be paying him a visit this afternoon.  </DIV>

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<DIV>This is the second time I have seen this type of incident in the last 3 months.  Take care and be careful on the road.  When someone is driving aggressively, just get a description of the vehicle and the tag number and call the police.  They get paid to deal with the idiots like this.  </DIV>

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<DIV>Apparently, it was take your gun to work day at Davis Lock and Safe.  Remember PIR starts tomorrow and as of yet, I have never had any problems with motor vehicles on the track.    </DIV>

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<DIV>As our afternoon group of cyclists were headed back from a lunch time ride today on Bethany Blvd near 26, we had a rather interesting altercation with a motor vehicle.  Apparently, the driver was upset with us being on the road AND riding single file.  As he passed us, he tried to scrape us off the road and was then nice enough to try to run the person on the front off the road.    </DIV>

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<DIV>He caught the next red-light and our group rolled to a stop on his right.  Just as one of the riders inquired as to what his problem was, he wanted to express his displeasure by pulling his gun.  Apparently he must have felt threatened by our lycra and shaved legs.  </DIV>

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<DIV>What level of stupidity does it take for a person to pull a gun?  Actually, the question should be "What level of stupidity does it take for a person to pull a gun in his company van with the company name and phone number all over it?</DIV>

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<DIV>After several riders hit the deck, he took off.  We then called 911 and have filled out a police report.  I would imagine that the Beaverton Police Department will be paying him a visit this afternoon.  </DIV>

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<DIV>This is the second time I have seen this type of incident in the last 3 months.  Take care and be careful on the road.  When someone is driving aggressively, just get a description of the vehicle and the tag number and call the police.  They get paid to deal with the idiots like this.  </DIV>

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<DIV>Apparently, it was take your gun to work day at Davis Lock and Safe.  Remember PIR starts tomorrow and as of yet, I have never had any problems with motor vehicles on the track.    </DIV>

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