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Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 12:00:00
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Subject: OBRA Digest, Vol 44, Issue 10
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Today's Topics:
1. fs garmin (Chad Swanson)
2. Come support Portland Twilight tonight! (Norrene Godfrey)
3. NIB tubular 'cross tires f/s (rich cramer)
4. OBRA Criterium Championships (Robert Hughes)
5. Tandem Race Updates From NWTandemRacing.com (Henry Abel)
6. WTB: White Industries ENO wheel (Sam Taylor)
7. Tandem captains and bikes needed in Portland, Saturday August
22 (Robert Burney)
8. Short Track Series '09 - final series standings & thanks!
(Kris Schamp)
9. OT: laptop incite (tackyglueit)
10. Cat 3's at Eugene CELEBRATION (comotionclassic@comcast.net)
11. FS: Accessories and Clothing (Erich Wegscheider)
12. OT: room for rent in Corvallis? (Jeff Wills)
13. FS: FSA and Rival Crankset (Linda Watts)
14. CRIT Championships (david klipper)
15. Rides near Jessie Honeyman State Park? (Joel Morrissette)
16. CAT 3 Portland Twilight Follow Up and Concern (Adrian Richardson)
17. Twilight crit cat 3 (Jonathan Long)
18. Re: CRIT Championships (Melissa Boyd)
19. Re: CRIT Championships (T. Kenji Sugahara)
20. 2009 Junior Cross Series (T. Kenji Sugahara)
21. Re: CRIT Championships (Erik Long)
22. Re: CAT 3 Portland Twilight Follow Up and Concern
(T. Kenji Sugahara)
23. Re: CAT 3 Portland Twilight Follow Up and Concern (Trevor Spahr)
24. PDX Twilight Criterium coverage (Pat Malach)
25. P.2 Trade for CCX Bike (Tony Dirks)
26. Re: CAT 3 Portland Twilight Follow Up and Concern
(Jonathan Vinson)
27. Re: CAT 3 Portland Twilight Follow Up and Concern (Rick C Johnson)
28. Re: CAT 3 Portland Twilight Follow Up and Concern
(J.Michael Manning)
29. Portland Twilight Crash - Lost Glasses (Derek Newell)
30. Re: CAT 3 Portland Twilight Follow Up and Concern
(T. Kenji Sugahara)
31. Re: Road/Cross parts FS (Matthew R Wills)
32. 9 SP DA Shifters $150 (Steve Lacey)
33. Re: CAT 3 Portland Twilight Follow Up and Concern (Scott Jones)
34. Fw: CRIT Championships (davecampbell828@charter.net)
35. custom jersey's (FGBiker)
36. FS: Felt F3C Road Bike 54cm $1750 OBO (marshall)
37. Re: CAT 3 Portland Twilight Follow Up and Concern (Rick C Johnson)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 12:13:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chad Swanson
Subject: [OBRA Chat] fs garmin
To: obra chat
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Garmin Edge 605 with North America NT software, extra mounts, and extra 2-gid memory card.
$315.
Chad
541-370-2620
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 12:27:00 -0700
From: Norrene Godfrey
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Come support Portland Twilight tonight!
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I want to give a huge shout out to all the lawyers who got together and raised the need funds to make the Portland Twilight happen . . . now lets bring a huge crowd rain or shine and show our support.
See you tonight!
Norrene
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 12:55:26 -0700
From: rich cramer
Subject: [OBRA Chat] NIB tubular 'cross tires f/s
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I have 2 (brand new) of these:
http://www.biketiresdirect.com/pvixmt/vittoria_cross_evo_xm_tubular_tire/pp.htm
I think they're 32c, $120 for the pair. Rich
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 12:58:57 -0700
From: Robert Hughes
Subject: [OBRA Chat] OBRA Criterium Championships
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1) Online registration is cheaper than mail in! NO ADDED FEES, just the $20 race cost ($10 for juniors and additional races)
2) T-Shirts are available for $12, see flyer, contact me with size info or order at the time of registration, 100% proceeds go to Bicycle Transportation Alliance, limited first run of 100 shirts, additional runs will incur shipping costs or will need to be picked up. Thanks.
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 15:02:50 -0700
From: Henry Abel
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Tandem Race Updates From NWTandemRacing.com
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? A reminder that the Willamette Epic TT is tomorrow!
? One less tandem criterium.
? Seriously, if you're not going to do the Co-Motion Tandem Stage Race this year - then you're missing out!
? And, a new MTB tandem race at beautiful Diamond Lake!
Links and details are below and at NWTandemRacing.com
TT: WILLAMETTE EPIC TT, Aug 8 - Eugene, OR
This 42K TT has everything from windy flats to rolling hills. There is one short climb and loads of beautiful Willamette Valley scenery. There are classes for Tandem Open, Tandem Mixed, and Tandem Masters 80+ as well as single bike classes. Put on by our good friend, Sal Collura, this race starts at Twin Oaks Elementary School. Good training for the upcoming Co-Motion race!
http://www.obra.org/flyers/2009/willamette_epic_tt.html
ALBANY CRITERIUM, Aug 15 - NO TANDEMS!
Lame. Sorry, but I'd been told at one point that we'd have ourselves a good tandem crit in Albany, Oregon on the 15th, and I've been plugging it and planning it all Summer long. But once the schedule was finally posted the geek bikes were left out. Sorry for my mistake - and to all of you who were planning on that one. Note to race promoters - I'd like more than one tandem crit a year that has both left and right turns! I welcome any suggestions.
ROAD: CO-MOTION CLASSIC TANDEM STAGE RACE, Aug 21-23 - Eugene, OR
The only tandem stage race in the country is put on each year in Eugene, Oregon by the good folks at Co-Motion Cycles. The 2009 event features a social ride for the racers on friday, an all new road race on Saturday, and a TT and criterium on Sunday. Videos from the 2008 Co-Motion Classic are posted on the right sidebar of NWTandemRacing.com. Full details are at Co-Motion.com. Sign up now! Seriously - for all of us that have been getting our doors blown off at the one day tandem races this year - the Co-Motion is the most level playing field of the year. Three classes to choose from guarantees a tighter and closer race! There will be a year when you finally try it and you'll be sooooo disappointed that you'd waited so long! Trust me.
http://www.co-motion.com/CCTandemRace.html
*NEW* MTB: DIAMOND LAKE NW CHALLENGE, Sept 5 - Diamond Lake, OR
A beautiful and fun course with lots of singletrack. Starts and ends at Diamond Lake with great views all along the way. A fun course for tandems (we raced the tandem in the Sport class 2 years ago), and the race promoters have added an official tandem class this year AND are letting tandem teams race for the same price as a single. Make sure and stay to watch the air dog competition!
http://www.northwestchallenge.com/pdf/Diamond%20Lake%20Event%20Schedule.jpg
Cheers,
Henry Abel
henry@webcyclery.com
NWTandemRacing.com
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 15:15:12 -0700
From: Sam Taylor
Subject: [OBRA Chat] WTB: White Industries ENO wheel
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Thanks to all who gave CXSS advice-- much appreciated. For those who were wondering, the universal best plan was to get a wheel built up with a white industries ENO hub. . .
So I'd like to do that.
I know a few folks have them available-- I'd love to hear about it, what rim it's built to (need clincher), etc. . .
On a budget, so let me know what you're looking to get for it.
Thanks,
Sam
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 15:14:44 -0700
From: "Robert Burney"
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Tandem captains and bikes needed in Portland,
Saturday August 22
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The United States Association of Blind Athletes (Military Program) is
hosting 17-22 blind US Vets in Portland on Saturday August 22. The program
is teaching rock climbing and tandem riding to these Vets. The participants
will be divided into two groups for morning and afternoon sessions. I have
volunteered to captain my tandem as have several other local riders.
We are still need tandems and captains. Can you volunteer your time on the
22nd to captain for a blind US Vet? The group's website is www.usaba.org
. Please respond to both Rich Cardillo
(military@usaba.org), the coordinator, and to me (Robert@reburney.com) so I
know how many captains I still need to find.
Here is the original text asking for local help:
"By way of introduction, my name is Rich Cardillo and I am the Military
Sport Program Coordinator for the U.S. Association of Blind Athletes
(USABA). I was hired to help enhance the lives of Veterans and Service
Members who are blind and visually impaired and to accelerate their
rehabilitation process through sport, physical activity, recreation and
employment. My program is focused on three of the ten VA Blind
Rehabilitation Centers around the United States. USABA has been invited to
speak at the Blind Veterans Association National Convention in Portland,
Oregon 21 August about this particular program and the progress that has
been made up to this point.
As part of our presentation, USABA would like to organize a tandem cycling
clinic and ride on 22 August for those visually impaired veterans who are
attending the convention. I don't have specific numbers yet but I believe
we'll have to break the group down into two or three sessions. I would like
this opportunity to be something more than just getting on a bike and
riding. I personally think they'll need a little "classroom" instruction
and learn about the various bikes associated with tandem cycling
(recreation, road racing, time trial, pursuit, etc), showing them some of
the specialized equipment associated with tandem cycling, learning about the
roles/responsibilities and importance of a pilot and then having an
opportunity to link up with a pilot and go for a ride.
Where I need your help is breaking into the Portland area and locating
several tandem cycling clubs in the Portland area that I might be able to
tap into for instructors, bikes, pilots and helmets.
Rich Cardillo
United States Association of Blind Athletes
Military Sports Program Coordinator
33 N. Institute
Colorado Springs, CO 80903
phone: 719-630-0422 (ext 15)
e-mail: military@usaba.org
website: http://www.usaba.org/"
Robert Burney, JD
President
RE Burney & Associates, Inc.
8285 SW Nimbus Ave., Suite 124
Beaverton, OR 97008
Brokerage of Life Insurance, Annuities,
Long Term Care and Disability Insurance.
Office: 503-608-7813
Cell: 503-502-4289
EFax: 503-210-1595
Email: robert@reburney.com
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 15:21:06 -0700
From: Kris Schamp
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Short Track Series '09 - final series standings &
thanks!
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All,
The fifth edition of the Portland Short Track Series has come to an end and I would like to thank everyone who attended, raced, volunteered and helped making it such a fun and successful event.
Across the seven races of this year's edition, we saw a total of 750 unique racers and more than 300 of them raced short track for the very first time! It was great to see so many new faces each week and it was even greater to see so many families with kids enjoying the weekly event. We definitely hope to see you back next year!
The results of last Monday's races, the final series standings, and the "unofficial" team relay results have been posted:
http://www.portlandracing.com/2009-series-standings.html
http://www.portlandracing.com/results-team-relay-2009.html
Also check out the preview of the team relay video clip by Scott Barker (featuring an overview of our podium finishers and some sweet slow-motion action shots): http://vimeo.com/5332811
Big thanks to Shane and Scott for capturing all the fun every week!
I further would like to thank our generous sponsors, most of them local companies with a big heart for local bike racing:
- Our Series title sponsor Hopworks Urban Brewing, who contributed generously with products, prizes and a royal cash purse for our pro podium finishers.
- the fine folks at Chris King, who provided free mechanical support and lemonade to our racers, topping it all off with some much coveted primes and prizes.
- Our two other gold-level series sponsors Cyclepath and Yakima.
- Our special "Queen of the Night" women sponsor Bike N Hike.
- Portland Design Works, Nossa Familia Coffee and Fun Reflector who all contributed with some awesome prizes.
- Larabar, St Honore Bakery, Hammer Nutrition, A?ai Roots, and - again! - Chris King, for the great free snacks, PB&J sandwiches and beverages racers and spectators got to enjoy at the races.
Feel free to send them a word of thanks, or even better, support their business with your wallet!
Also a shout to the friendly staff of Portland International Raceway, everyone at OBRA, and our local MTB/trail advocates of Northwest Trail Alliance who hosted the super-fun skills park at the races. BTW: There is strength in numbers. If you enjoy riding your bike off-road, care about MTB access to trails, and like to see more singletrack trails close to Portland, you should seriously consider to join NWTA (http://nw-trail.org/membership).
Finally, a huge THANK YOU to the more than 40 volunteers who helped out this year. From the people at the registration desk, to the lap counters and course marshals, to our first aid providers, to Luciano "the voice of short track", to the organizers of our free kiddie race and clinics, to the folks who helped set up and tear down the course each week, and so many others: you all did an awesome job! Without the help of this amazing group of people, we wouldn't be able to pull it off.
We will back next year with more short track racing. If you have any feedback you like to share or some ideas to make next year's series even better, just shoot me an email. Otherwise, it's time to relax, enjoy the rest of your summer and get all ready for cross season!
Thanks again and hope to see you around at the races!
~Kris
Kris Schamp
Portland Racing
PS 1: talking about the upcoming cyclocross season... as you might have read on BikePortland.org, a recent ruling by Multnomah County has forced us to cancel the upcoming Kruger's Kermesse Farm Crit Series. We are still hopeful we can get something worked out for the Kruger's Crossing Cyclocross Classic at the end of cross season. I will make sure to keep you posted on any further developments.
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 16:00:25 -0700
From: tackyglueit
Subject: [OBRA Chat] OT: laptop incite
To: obra@list.obra.org
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my wife is going to urchase a laptop.......mac or pc? if you have any
thoughts please shoot me an email off list.
thank you very much.
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 00:01:12 +0000 (UTC)
From: comotionclassic@comcast.net
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Cat 3's at Eugene CELEBRATION
To: obra@list.obra.org
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Do you guys want to do 2 laps for the Maxon Road Race, or 3?
It is a difference of 26.2 miles.
-sal
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 19:30:52 -0700
From: Erich Wegscheider
Subject: [OBRA Chat] FS: Accessories and Clothing
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Trying to get rid of some gear that has been lying around.
Look Keo Sprint Pedals (Gray) - $60 OBO
*New* Gore Bike Wear 2-in-1 Jacket/Vest. Size: L (White) - $100
Specialized Seat Bag (Black) - $ 10 OBO
2 Specialized Stems: S-Works Pro-Set Stem (110mm) - $50 OBO
'07 Comp-Set Stem (110mm) - $ 25 OBO
LG Bib Short. Size: M (White) - $ 40 OBO
LG Jersey. Size: L (Blue) - $ 25 OBO
Selle Italia Flite Gel Flow Saddle (Black) - $ 100 OBO
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 04:01:37 +0000 (UTC)
From: Jeff Wills
Subject: [OBRA Chat] OT: room for rent in Corvallis?
To: obra@list.obra.org
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My wife just got re-employed after being out of work for 6 months (yay!) but the job is in Corvallis (boo!) while my job in Portland is still stable. She's wanting to room with someone in & around Corvallis proper- apparently the apartments are all booked, and she'd rather be away from OSU anyway. The job is with H-P.
Anybody got a room they could rent to a stable, quiet, professional woman on weekdays? She'll be commuting back here for the weekends. Email me off list.
Jeff Wills
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 21:15:38 -0700
From: Linda Watts
Subject: [OBRA Chat] FS: FSA and Rival Crankset
To: obra@list.obra.org
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FSA SL-K carbon crankset. 50/34 with extra 46t outer ring. 175mm. $100 obo *
SOLD*
SRAM Rival compact crankset. 50/34 172.5mm. $75 obo.
Link to CL ad and pics:
http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/1307436354.html
OBRA members get lower price.
Linda
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 22:59:36 -0700
From: david klipper
Subject: [OBRA Chat] CRIT Championships
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Since you are charging $20 pre and $25 day of registration, and you are giving away no monetary prices except for ONE cash prime per race? I assume this is like a $500 prime?? Why don't you take all of your profit and donate to charity. I am sure the OBRA membership can give you a list of one's they feel are worthy. You can give it to Quinn to help pay for some of his medical bills. there are numerous options available.
Putting on a bicycle race should be to promote the sport and not pad your pocket. Being that the race is a "OBRA Championship", the possibility of an extremely large rider turnout is very high. This equates to a very large profit on your behalf as i have heard what your costs are and they are very low. I also understand that you are not paying a medic to be on site for the race. Dude, who is going to take care of the people after a crash. Calling the local fire department or EMT because they are feel is not cool. They aren't going to do anything. Don't be cheap and pay someone the $75 like all of us do when we put on a race (and yes i put on a race and give away tons of prizes, primes and stuff--so you can't pull that excuse on me). Plus the medics are usually college kids and they can use the money.
For those of you whom couldn't make it, brad ross and crew put on an amazing race in portland tonight that i am sure was not cheap with the lights, barriers, street closure, etc... And guess what, his entry was only $25 and he gave away $5K in cash.
I am calling out to all the OBRA members to take a stand against people that are taking advantage of our desire to races our bicycles. Especially, with the economy the way it is. Another question for you? Do you even race your bike?
David
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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 23:03:48 -0700
From: Joel Morrissette
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Rides near Jessie Honeyman State Park?
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OBRA-
We're headed down to Honeyman State Park for a few days and I'm taking both
the cyclocross and road bikes. Any suggestions for good rides in the area?
Thanks!
-Joel
--
__o "It never gets easier,
_ \<_ you just go faster."
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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 23:05:26 -0700
From: Adrian Richardson
Subject: [OBRA Chat] CAT 3 Portland Twilight Follow Up and Concern
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First off I just want to make clear that this is not a complaint. I am very
thankful for all those who volunteered and helped out with one of Portland?s
fastest and popular events.
As much as I am satisfied with my efforts, I got to ask what happened with
the split. As you may or may not know, during the middle of the race there
was a huge crash which involved what I believe to be a stray tennis ball
from some kids playing nearby. The crash resulted in a split field, and it
was attempted by the officials to neutralize the race.
I was in the second group that actually "slowed" down. It was brought to my
knowledge that the lead group did not follow the officials demand, and
greatly benefited from it. While the second group, the abiders, suffered
tremendously. Also, after the race, I heard that those who crashed and got
their free lap were allowed to continue with the lead group.
I know that crashing and split fields are the name of the game in
criteriums, I was preparing for that same scenario all day, but when
official intervention completely changes what?s to be assumed, that?s where
i am curious.
What is to be said about not following the official?s command? Should it be
something to be thought about? Or acted upon immediately?
This issue to me is just a bother, I do not wish for any actions to follow.
But I would like maybe a little more insight to what actually happened, and
validation to the gossip I have heard throughout the night?
For those riders who crashed and couldn?t continue, my apologies go out to
you.
Thank you,
-Adrian Richardson
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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 23:22:37 -0700
From: Jonathan Long
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Twilight crit cat 3
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Also not a complaint but I was told to slow down by an official to slow down as we were all being neutralized after being stuck in no mans land solo for a couple of laps.
-Jonathan Long
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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 23:42:06 -0700
From: Melissa Boyd
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] CRIT Championships
To: david klipper
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
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Would you show some respect please?
Promoters put in a lot of their personal time and effort, and it does cost a
lot of money to put on a race. Are you really expecting them to do all this
for free? If you don't like the race, vote with your $$ and don't show up.
I have the greatest respect for those who volunteer their time and effort to
put on bike races for all of us. I also really appreciate the promoters who
make a bit of profit on the races, knowing that sometimes there are
promoters who LOSE money on races, and who is helping them out then? If they
put on a great race, I will show up and gladly pay the fees.
If you would like to put on a race and donate all the proceeds, I think that
is wonderful and you should go for it. Until then, please keep it civil.
Melissa
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 10:59 PM, david klipper wrote:
> Since you are charging $20 pre and $25 day of registration, and you are
> giving away no monetary prices except for ONE cash prime per race? I assume
> this is like a $500 prime?? Why don't you take all of your profit and donate
> to charity. I am sure the OBRA membership can give you a list of one's they
> feel are worthy. You can give it to Quinn to help pay for some of his
> medical bills. there are numerous options available.
>
> Putting on a bicycle race should be to promote the sport and not pad your
> pocket. Being that the race is a "OBRA Championship", the possibility of an
> extremely large rider turnout is very high. This equates to a very large
> profit on your behalf as i have heard what your costs are and they are very
> low. I also understand that you are not paying a medic to be on site for
> the race. Dude, who is going to take care of the people after a crash.
> Calling the local fire department or EMT because they are feel is not cool.
> They aren't going to do anything. Don't be cheap and pay someone the $75
> like all of us do when we put on a race (and yes i put on a race and give
> away tons of prizes, primes and stuff--so you can't pull that excuse on me).
> Plus the medics are usually college kids and they can use the money.
>
> For those of you whom couldn't make it, brad ross and crew put on an
> amazing race in portland tonight that i am sure was not cheap with the
> lights, barriers, street closure, etc... And guess what, his entry was only
> $25 and he gave away $5K in cash.
>
> I am calling out to all the OBRA members to take a stand against people
> that are taking advantage of our desire to races our bicycles. Especially,
> with the economy the way it is. Another question for you? Do you even
> race your bike?
>
> David
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Message: 19
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 00:03:15 -0700
From: "T. Kenji Sugahara"
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] CRIT Championships
To: david klipper
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
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David-
Those are incorrect assumptions.
There will be medical on site.
The promoters originally thought to have a large prize list. He was
told that prizes should only be medals.
Rob is putting forth a decent amount of money for primes.
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 10:59 PM, david klipper wrote:
> Since you are charging $20 pre and $25 day of registration, and you are giving away no monetary prices except for ONE cash prime per race? ?I assume this is like a $500 prime?? Why don't you take all of your profit and donate to charity. I am sure the OBRA membership can give you a list of one's they feel are worthy. ?You can give it to Quinn to help pay for some of his medical bills. ?there are numerous options available.
>
> Putting on a bicycle race should be to promote the sport and not pad your pocket. ?Being that the race is a "OBRA Championship", the possibility of an extremely large rider turnout is very high. ?This equates to a very large profit on your behalf as i have heard what your costs are and they are very low. ? I also understand that you are not paying a medic to be on site for the race. ?Dude, who is going to take care of the people after a crash. ?Calling the local fire department or EMT because they are feel is not cool. ?They aren't going to do anything. ?Don't be cheap and pay someone the $75 like all of us do when we put on a race (and yes i put on a race and give away tons of prizes, primes and stuff--so you can't pull that excuse on me). ?Plus the medics are usually college kids and they can use the money.
>
> For those of you whom couldn't make it, ?brad ross and crew put on an amazing race in portland tonight that i am sure was not cheap with the lights, barriers, street closure, etc... And guess what, his entry was only $25 and he gave away $5K in cash.
>
> I am calling out to all the OBRA members to take a stand against people that are taking advantage of our desire to races our bicycles. ?Especially, with the economy the way it is. ? Another question for you? ?Do you even race your bike?
>
> David
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Message: 20
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 00:12:07 -0700
From: "T. Kenji Sugahara"
Subject: [OBRA Chat] 2009 Junior Cross Series
To: ""
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On a good note, we are pleased to announce the 2009 Oregon Junior Cross Series!
You probably saw the earlier e-mail by John Wilson.
Here's the link to the pdf!
http://www.obra.org/pdfs/Oregon_Junior_Cross_Series.pdf
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Message: 21
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 00:20:16 -0700
From: Erik Long
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] CRIT Championships
To: , Guinness Cycling
Cc: Obra
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Anybody out there ever registered for an outdoor event outside of cycling?
I love how we all seem to think $25 is a lot of money for a bike race. I started racing in Oregon 15 years ago and entries were around $25 back then. I've raced all over the western U.S. and paid entries at an average of $35 on race day (in some cases, $50). If you ask me, our promoters are long overdue for a raise.
How is it that the participants of such an affluent sport are this f%&ing cheap?!? How screwed is your financial compass? You'll drop $2,000-$6,000 on a bike, $800 annually on race day food/gas (if you only race in the region), maybe another $300 on tires . . . you see where I'm going, here.
While I agree that any crit should have a medic on duty, I urge every promoter to raise their entry fees by $5. You deserve it. In fact, I'm certain that your costs have gone up in the past 15 years, so that extra $5 might help you break even again, or - god forbid - offer a prize purse that the elite divisions will give a crap about.
To all my fellow racers, if an extra $5 is enough to keep you at home, you deserve everything that sitting on your ass will get you.
Race Organization is a job and these people deserve to get paid for their time. Shut your trap and open your wallet.
-Erik
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 23:42:06 -0700
From: melissafroggie@gmail.com
To: guinnesscycling@aol.com
CC: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] CRIT Championships
Would you show some respect please?
Promoters put in a lot of their personal time and effort, and it does cost a lot of money to put on a race. Are you really expecting them to do all this for free? If you don't like the race, vote with your $$ and don't show up.
I have the greatest respect for those who volunteer their time and effort to put on bike races for all of us. I also really appreciate the promoters who make a bit of profit on the races, knowing that sometimes there are promoters who LOSE money on races, and who is helping them out then? If they put on a great race, I will show up and gladly pay the fees.
If you would like to put on a race and donate all the proceeds, I think that is wonderful and you should go for it. Until then, please keep it civil.
Melissa
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 10:59 PM, david klipper wrote:
Since you are charging $20 pre and $25 day of registration, and you are giving away no monetary prices except for ONE cash prime per race? I assume this is like a $500 prime?? Why don't you take all of your profit and donate to charity. I am sure the OBRA membership can give you a list of one's they feel are worthy. You can give it to Quinn to help pay for some of his medical bills. there are numerous options available.
Putting on a bicycle race should be to promote the sport and not pad your pocket. Being that the race is a "OBRA Championship", the possibility of an extremely large rider turnout is very high. This equates to a very large profit on your behalf as i have heard what your costs are and they are very low. I also understand that you are not paying a medic to be on site for the race. Dude, who is going to take care of the people after a crash. Calling the local fire department or EMT because they are feel is not cool. They aren't going to do anything. Don't be cheap and pay someone the $75 like all of us do when we put on a race (and yes i put on a race and give away tons of prizes, primes and stuff--so you can't pull that excuse on me). Plus the medics are usually college kids and they can use the money.
For those of you whom couldn't make it, brad ross and crew put on an amazing race in portland tonight that i am sure was not cheap with the lights, barriers, street closure, etc... And guess what, his entry was only $25 and he gave away $5K in cash.
I am calling out to all the OBRA members to take a stand against people that are taking advantage of our desire to races our bicycles. Especially, with the economy the way it is. Another question for you? Do you even race your bike?
David
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Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 00:26:38 -0700
From: "T. Kenji Sugahara"
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] CAT 3 Portland Twilight Follow Up and Concern
To: Adrian Richardson
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
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Adrian-
Thank you for bringing this to our attention. At times, our officials
are under a lot of pressure- especially with crashes- and there are
many things happening at once. Having not been there and not having
spoken to any riders or officials, I can't speculate as to what may or
may not have occurred. But, we had some of the best officials out
there today- and the most experienced. Those included, Lynn Goss,
Rick Kneuven, Candi Murray, Terri Camp, Brian List, Luciano Bailey and
Andrea Fisk. If you have a concern, bring it up immediately after the
race. I can't promise that you will get the answer that you want but
it is important that you do report it. I will definitely speak to our
officiating staff and find out what transpired.
Thanks for bringing this up.
Kenji Sugahara
Executive Director
Oregon Bicycle Racing Association
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Adrian
Richardson wrote:
> First off I just want to make clear that this is not a complaint. I am very
> thankful for all those who volunteered and helped out with one of Portland?s
> fastest and popular events.
>
> As much as I am satisfied with my efforts, I got to ask what happened with
> the split. As you may or may not know, during the middle of the race there
> was a huge crash which involved what I believe to be a stray tennis ball
> from some kids playing nearby. The crash resulted in a split field, and it
> was attempted by the officials to neutralize the race.
>
> I was in the second group that actually "slowed" down. It was brought to my
> knowledge that the lead group did not follow the officials demand, and
> greatly benefited from it. While the second group, the abiders, suffered
> tremendously.?Also, after the race, I heard that those who crashed and got
> their free lap were allowed to continue with the lead group.
>
> I know that crashing and split fields are the name of the game in
> criteriums, I was preparing for that same scenario all day, but when
> official intervention completely changes what?s to be assumed, that?s where
> i am curious.
>
> What is to be said about not following the official?s command? Should it be
> something to be thought about? Or acted upon immediately?
>
> This issue to me is just a bother, I do not wish for any actions to follow.
> But I would like maybe a little more insight to what actually happened, and
> validation to the gossip I have heard throughout the night?
>
> For those riders who crashed and couldn?t continue, my apologies go out to
> you.
>
> Thank you,
>
> -Adrian Richardson
>
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Message: 23
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 01:29:27 -0700
From: Trevor Spahr
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] CAT 3 Portland Twilight Follow Up and Concern
To: Adrian Richardson
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
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Adrian,
I understand exactly what you're saying. From my side of things this is how
it went down. I was leading the group through the caution zone when I
believe the pack split. The notice I got was, "slow down, slow down" from
an official standing just beyond the recovering racers on the course. In
the race, the action was happening so fast that, yes I did slow, from my own
judgment, enough to be safe and to the right, then resumed racing after we
got through the caution zone. I can see that this reaction among multiple
racers easily creating the split in the field because the accordion effect
is bad enough in the corners during a crit, but on a straight leading into a
corner is doubly bad.
I'm sorry for the bad situation, and I hope a speedy recovery to all those
involved in the accidents during the race, my teammates included, but I
don't think there was any intentional rule breaking on the racers' part. I
personally chalk it up to a racing incident. I mean, I may have made it
through that accident and the split unscathed but later was wrecked out with
3 to go and missed the opportunity for a free lap. That's the luck of the
draw.
All this being said, it was an amazing race. I can't express enough my
gratitude towards the sponsors, the officials, the racers and the fans.
That was by far the most fun/exciting crit I've ever had the pleasure to
participate in. Thank you all and I'll see you again next year.
Trevor.
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Adrian Richardson
wrote:
> First off I just want to make clear that this is not a complaint. I am very
> thankful for all those who volunteered and helped out with one of Portland?s
> fastest and popular events.
>
> As much as I am satisfied with my efforts, I got to ask what happened with
> the split. As you may or may not know, during the middle of the race there
> was a huge crash which involved what I believe to be a stray tennis ball
> from some kids playing nearby. The crash resulted in a split field, and it
> was attempted by the officials to neutralize the race.
>
> I was in the second group that actually "slowed" down. It was brought to my
> knowledge that the lead group did not follow the officials demand, and
> greatly benefited from it. While the second group, the abiders, suffered
> tremendously. Also, after the race, I heard that those who crashed and got
> their free lap were allowed to continue with the lead group.
>
> I know that crashing and split fields are the name of the game in
> criteriums, I was preparing for that same scenario all day, but when
> official intervention completely changes what?s to be assumed, that?s where
> i am curious.
>
> What is to be said about not following the official?s command? Should it be
> something to be thought about? Or acted upon immediately?
>
> This issue to me is just a bother, I do not wish for any actions to follow.
> But I would like maybe a little more insight to what actually happened, and
> validation to the gossip I have heard throughout the night?
>
> For those riders who crashed and couldn?t continue, my apologies go out to
> you.
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> -Adrian Richardson
>
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Message: 24
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 02:35:42 -0700
From: Pat Malach
Subject: [OBRA Chat] PDX Twilight Criterium coverage
To: obra@list.obra.org
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You can find a full report and some photos of the Portland Twilight Criterium @ http://www.oregoncyclingaction.com/
(More photos to come)
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Message: 25
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 07:37:42 -0700
From: Tony Dirks
Subject: [OBRA Chat] P.2 Trade for CCX Bike
To: obra@list.obra.org
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We'd like to trade below P.2 for 48-50cm CCX bike. Please let me know if you have something and are interested. Thanks for looking. Pics available.
Tony (541)490-8332
2004 Specialized P.2 Short Dirt Jumper. Gently ridden. Garaged and not ridden for the last 2 years. Good condition. All original equipment.
Frame & Fork
Frame Construction: TIG-welded
Frame Tubing Material: Specialized A1 aluminum
Fork Brand & Model: Marzocchi EXR Comp, 100mm travel
Components
Component Group: Mountain Mix
Brakeset: Hayes HMX-2 Mechanical Disc brakes, Shimano Alivio levers
Shift Levers: Shimano Alivio RapidFire
Front Derailleur: Shimano Alivio, bottom-pull/clamp-on 34.9mm
Rear Derailleur: Shimano Deore
Crankset: TruVativ Hussefelt, 22/32 teeth
Pedals: Aluminum platform
Bottom Bracket: TruVativ ISIS Drive Hussefelt, 113mm spindle
BB Shell Width: 73mm English
Rear Cogs: 8-speed, 11 - 32 teeth
Chain: Shimano CN-IG31, 1/2 x 3/32"
Seatpost: Aluminum, 30.9mm diameter
Saddle: Specialized Jumping
Handlebar: Specialized aluminum
Handlebar Stem: TruVativ Hussefelt
Headset: 1 1/8" threadless Aheadset Tank MX
Wheels
Hubs: Joy Tech aluminum, Q/R
Rims: Sun Rims Ditch Witch, 36-hole
Tires: 26 x 2.30" Specialized Roller Sport
Spoke: Stainless steel, 14ga. (2.0mm) straight gauge
Spoke Nipples: Brass nipples
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Message: 26
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 08:02:36 -0700
From: Jonathan Vinson
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] CAT 3 Portland Twilight Follow Up and Concern
To: Trevor Spahr
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
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My perspective is similar. I was near the front when we came through after
the big crash on the frontstraight. I heard no instructions over the PA.
There was one official who gave us the "two hands
palms down" sign, which says to me, "slow down, there's an obstacle on the
course." I thought
there might be *another* crash around turn one; we slowed and soft pedaled
through turns 1-2, then
resumed race pace. I was unaware that there was a pack split.
I think that the only other choices the officials had were:
--stop the race and restart
--neutralize and regroup using the lead moto (dangerous on this course as it
would've bunched us
badly)
Super-fun race. Easy to get gapped or stuck on the wrong side of the
accordion--happened to
me last year.
Thanks to the officials and promoters and especially to those who raised
money to make this
race happen!
JV
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 1:29 AM, Trevor Spahr wrote:
> Adrian,
>
> I understand exactly what you're saying. From my side of things this is
> how it went down. I was leading the group through the caution zone when I
> believe the pack split. The notice I got was, "slow down, slow down" from
> an official standing just beyond the recovering racers on the course. In
> the race, the action was happening so fast that, yes I did slow, from my own
> judgment, enough to be safe and to the right, then resumed racing after we
> got through the caution zone. I can see that this reaction among multiple
> racers easily creating the split in the field because the accordion effect
> is bad enough in the corners during a crit, but on a straight leading into a
> corner is doubly bad.
>
> I'm sorry for the bad situation, and I hope a speedy recovery to all those
> involved in the accidents during the race, my teammates included, but I
> don't think there was any intentional rule breaking on the racers' part. I
> personally chalk it up to a racing incident. I mean, I may have made it
> through that accident and the split unscathed but later was wrecked out with
> 3 to go and missed the opportunity for a free lap. That's the luck of the
> draw.
>
> All this being said, it was an amazing race. I can't express enough my
> gratitude towards the sponsors, the officials, the racers and the fans.
> That was by far the most fun/exciting crit I've ever had the pleasure to
> participate in. Thank you all and I'll see you again next year.
>
> Trevor.
>
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Adrian Richardson > wrote:
>
>> First off I just want to make clear that this is not a complaint. I am
>> very thankful for all those who volunteered and helped out with one of
>> Portland?s fastest and popular events.
>>
>> As much as I am satisfied with my efforts, I got to ask what happened with
>> the split. As you may or may not know, during the middle of the race there
>> was a huge crash which involved what I believe to be a stray tennis ball
>> from some kids playing nearby. The crash resulted in a split field, and it
>> was attempted by the officials to neutralize the race.
>>
>> I was in the second group that actually "slowed" down. It was brought to
>> my knowledge that the lead group did not follow the officials demand, and
>> greatly benefited from it. While the second group, the abiders, suffered
>> tremendously. Also, after the race, I heard that those who crashed and got
>> their free lap were allowed to continue with the lead group.
>>
>> I know that crashing and split fields are the name of the game in
>> criteriums, I was preparing for that same scenario all day, but when
>> official intervention completely changes what?s to be assumed, that?s where
>> i am curious.
>>
>> What is to be said about not following the official?s command? Should it
>> be something to be thought about? Or acted upon immediately?
>>
>> This issue to me is just a bother, I do not wish for any actions to
>> follow. But I would like maybe a little more insight to what actually
>> happened, and validation to the gossip I have heard throughout the night?
>>
>> For those riders who crashed and couldn?t continue, my apologies go out to
>> you.
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> -Adrian Richardson
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> OBRA mailing list
>> obra@list.obra.org
>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>>
>>
>
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Message: 27
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 08:20:36 -0700
From: Rick C Johnson
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] CAT 3 Portland Twilight Follow Up and Concern
To: Jonathan Vinson
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
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To remove the ambiguity from these types of situations perhaps OBRA
should consider adopting a motorsports style flagging system for criterium.
It sounds to me like the recent conditions would best be described as a
"waving yellow" at the site of the incident and a full course "standing
yellow".
Waving Yellow = extreme caution, immediate danger
Standing Yellow = Neutral, proceed at reduced speed
Rick Johnson
Bend, Oregon
"Those who cannot remember the past, are condemned to repeat it" - George Santayana
Jonathan Vinson wrote:
> My perspective is similar. I was near the front when we came through
> after the big crash on the front
> straight. I heard no instructions over the PA. There was one
> official who gave us the "two hands
> palms down" sign, which says to me, "slow down, there's an obstacle on
> the course." I thought
> there might be *another* crash around turn one; we slowed and soft
> pedaled through turns 1-2, then
> resumed race pace. I was unaware that there was a pack split.
>
> I think that the only other choices the officials had were:
> --stop the race and restart
> --neutralize and regroup using the lead moto (dangerous on this course
> as it would've bunched us
> badly)
>
> Super-fun race. Easy to get gapped or stuck on the wrong side of the
> accordion--happened to
> me last year.
>
> Thanks to the officials and promoters and especially to those who
> raised money to make this
> race happen!
> JV
>
> On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 1:29 AM, Trevor Spahr > wrote:
>
> Adrian,
>
> I understand exactly what you're saying. From my side of things
> this is how it went down. I was leading the group through the
> caution zone when I believe the pack split. The notice I got was,
> "slow down, slow down" from an official standing just beyond the
> recovering racers on the course. In the race, the action was
> happening so fast that, yes I did slow, from my own judgment,
> enough to be safe and to the right, then resumed racing after we
> got through the caution zone. I can see that this reaction among
> multiple racers easily creating the split in the field because the
> accordion effect is bad enough in the corners during a crit, but
> on a straight leading into a corner is doubly bad.
>
> I'm sorry for the bad situation, and I hope a speedy recovery to
> all those involved in the accidents during the race, my teammates
> included, but I don't think there was any intentional rule
> breaking on the racers' part. I personally chalk it up to a
> racing incident. I mean, I may have made it through that accident
> and the split unscathed but later was wrecked out with 3 to go and
> missed the opportunity for a free lap. That's the luck of the draw.
>
> All this being said, it was an amazing race. I can't express
> enough my gratitude towards the sponsors, the officials, the
> racers and the fans. That was by far the most fun/exciting crit
> I've ever had the pleasure to participate in. Thank you all and
> I'll see you again next year.
>
> Trevor.
>
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Adrian Richardson
> > wrote:
>
> First off I just want to make clear that this is not a
> complaint. I am very thankful for all those who volunteered
> and helped out with one of Portland?s fastest and popular events.
>
> As much as I am satisfied with my efforts, I got to ask what
> happened with the split. As you may or may not know, during
> the middle of the race there was a huge crash which involved
> what I believe to be a stray tennis ball from some kids
> playing nearby. The crash resulted in a split field, and it
> was attempted by the officials to neutralize the race.
>
> I was in the second group that actually "slowed" down. It was
> brought to my knowledge that the lead group did not follow the
> officials demand, and greatly benefited from it. While the
> second group, the abiders, suffered tremendously. Also, after
> the race, I heard that those who crashed and got their free
> lap were allowed to continue with the lead group.
>
> I know that crashing and split fields are the name of the game
> in criteriums, I was preparing for that same scenario all day,
> but when official intervention completely changes what?s to be
> assumed, that?s where i am curious.
>
> What is to be said about not following the official?s command?
> Should it be something to be thought about? Or acted upon
> immediately?
>
> This issue to me is just a bother, I do not wish for any
> actions to follow. But I would like maybe a little more
> insight to what actually happened, and validation to the
> gossip I have heard throughout the night?
>
> For those riders who crashed and couldn?t continue, my
> apologies go out to you.
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> -Adrian Richardson
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> OBRA mailing list
> obra@list.obra.org
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>
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Message: 28
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 09:43:51 -0700
From: J.Michael Manning
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] CAT 3 Portland Twilight Follow Up and Concern
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Not to sound insensitive to the concerns and misfortune of those riders caught behind the crash, but that's just racing. There were at least four crashes in the Cat 3 race, and each time it created a break in the field. I was fortunate enought to get through two of those and get back with the leaders. Others were not so fortunate... I just happened to be in the right place and reacted quickly. But even the final outcome was the result of a crash. The two riders who finished ahead of the pack were in front of the crash, while the rest of us had to regroup and chase. Again, there was a sizeable group who got gapped. That's the nature of crit racing. Imagine if the officials neutralized us everytime there was a mishap. I think their main concern is simply safety.
Mike Manning
"Athletic Excellence is my Business"
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 08:20:36 -0700
From: rickcjohnson1@gmail.com
To: jvbiker@gmail.com
CC: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] CAT 3 Portland Twilight Follow Up and Concern
To remove the ambiguity from these types of situations perhaps OBRA should consider adopting a motorsports style flagging system for criterium.
It sounds to me like the recent conditions would best be described as a "waving yellow" at the site of the incident and a full course "standing yellow".
Waving Yellow = extreme caution, immediate danger
Standing Yellow = Neutral, proceed at reduced speed
Rick Johnson
Bend, Oregon
"Those who cannot remember the past, are condemned to repeat it" - George Santayana
Jonathan Vinson wrote:
My perspective is similar. I was near the front when we came through after the big crash on the front
straight. I heard no instructions over the PA. There was one official who gave us the "two hands
palms down" sign, which says to me, "slow down, there's an obstacle on the course." I thought
there might be *another* crash around turn one; we slowed and soft pedaled through turns 1-2, then
resumed race pace. I was unaware that there was a pack split.
I think that the only other choices the officials had were:
--stop the race and restart
--neutralize and regroup using the lead moto (dangerous on this course as it would've bunched us
badly)
Super-fun race. Easy to get gapped or stuck on the wrong side of the accordion--happened to
me last year.
Thanks to the officials and promoters and especially to those who raised money to make this
race happen!
JV
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 1:29 AM, Trevor Spahr wrote:
Adrian,
I understand exactly what you're saying. From my side of things this is how it went down. I was leading the group through the caution zone when I believe the pack split. The notice I got was, "slow down, slow down" from an official standing just beyond the recovering racers on the course. In the race, the action was happening so fast that, yes I did slow, from my own judgment, enough to be safe and to the right, then resumed racing after we got through the caution zone. I can see that this reaction among multiple racers easily creating the split in the field because the accordion effect is bad enough in the corners during a crit, but on a straight leading into a corner is doubly bad.
I'm sorry for the bad situation, and I hope a speedy recovery to all those involved in the accidents during the race, my teammates included, but I don't think there was any intentional rule breaking on the racers' part. I personally chalk it up to a racing incident. I mean, I may have made it through that accident and the split unscathed but later was wrecked out with 3 to go and missed the opportunity for a free lap. That's the luck of the draw.
All this being said, it was an amazing race. I can't express enough my gratitude towards the sponsors, the officials, the racers and the fans. That was by far the most fun/exciting crit I've ever had the pleasure to participate in. Thank you all and I'll see you again next year.
Trevor.
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Adrian Richardson wrote:
First off I just want to make clear that this is not a complaint. I am very thankful for all those who volunteered and helped out with one of Portland?s fastest and popular events.
As much as I am satisfied with my efforts, I got to ask what happened with the split. As you may or may not know, during the middle of the race there was a huge crash which involved what I believe to be a stray tennis ball from some kids playing nearby. The crash resulted in a split field, and it was attempted by the officials to neutralize the race.
I was in the second group that actually "slowed" down. It was brought to my knowledge that the lead group did not follow the officials demand, and greatly benefited from it. While the second group, the abiders, suffered tremendously. Also, after the race, I heard that those who crashed and got their free lap were allowed to continue with the lead group.
I know that crashing and split fields are the name of the game in criteriums, I was preparing for that same scenario all day, but when official intervention completely changes what?s to be assumed, that?s where i am curious.
What is to be said about not following the official?s command? Should it be something to be thought about? Or acted upon immediately?
This issue to me is just a bother, I do not wish for any a