Russell @ Upper Echelon Fitness
I have seen the Win and Out run both ways. The traditional format referred
to as the "Danish Win and Out" and the "Belgian Win and Out" is the format
Seth is proposing. While not as common, I have seen this race format used
before and the race went off without incident.
RC
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On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 9:23 AM, Candi Murray wrote:
> Chuck is correct. In a Win and Out the first sprint is for 1st place,
> then subsequent sprints fill the prize list. You should either change the
> rules or the name of the event.
> The way this one is concocted the potential for disaster is high.
> Candi
>
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> *From:* obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] *On
> Behalf Of *chood1@comcast.net
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 01, 2009 8:54 AM
> *To:* Seth May
> *Cc:* OBRA
> *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] Renegade Win & Out Details
>
> Seth.
>
> I am sorry, but I think Win and Outs work best the other way...on lap 18
> you sprint for 1st place, no? What incentive is there to sprint for the
> first sprint if you are only going to get 10th? It will seem like everyone
> will hit the brakes at the line and the tenth slowest reaction time will get
> the sprint. If you do it like velodrome racing, you would sprint for 1st
> place FIRST and then race 2nd, and then 3rd.
>
> That is how a velodrome Win and Out works so I would just assume that is
> how tonight's race would work. Again, what incentive is there to race for
> 10th place first?
>
> Just my thoughts.
>
> Chuck Hood
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Seth May"
> To: "OBRA"
> Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2009 8:24:54 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Renegade Win & Out Details
>
> All,
> In preparation for tonights Renegade (reverse) Win & Out in Eugene, I
> want to let folks know how this is going to work.
>
> The Cat 4/5 will race 22 laps, the Cat 1/2/3 will do between 25 & 30,
> depending on my assessment of the daylight vs cloud cover, etc.
>
> The rest applies to both races:
> On lap 19, the pack will hear the bell.
> The first person across the line on lap 18 will take 10th place and will
> the be finished the race and must exit the course. The rest of the race
> will proceed as follows:
> Lap 19: Bell
> Lap 18: 10th place
> Lap 17: Bell
> Lap 16: 9th place
> Lap 15: Bell
> Lap 14: 8th place
> Lap 13: Bell
> Lap 12: 7th place
> Lap 11: Bell
> Lap 10: 6th place
> Lap 9: Bell
> Lap 8: 5th place
> Lap 7: Bell
> Lap 6: 4th place
> Lap 5: Bell
> Lap 4: 3rd place
> Lap 3: Bell
> Lap 2: 2nd place
> Lap 1: Bell
> Finish: 1st place
>
> I think most of you see a pattern here. Please note that the 2nd
> finisher on the final lap does not take a top 10 placing! That
> prestigious position goes to the winner of lap 18. If you win a
> position, your race is done and you must exit the course. You can not
> try for a better position.
>
> So why might you want to chase 10th place? If you've never had a top 10
> placing before, here is your chance! If your looking for brighter glory,
> racing for 10th could put you out of contention for a top 5 finish, so
> you might want to hold off. Last year we had strong sprints for every
> placing.
>
> Good luck all. Should be a fun night.
>
> Thanks
> Seth
>
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