Candi Murray/OBRA

sorry guys I do not know the answers to these questions. Here is the email

that I have gotten responses from



Skibowlb-@aol.com



Candi





-----Original Message-----

From: geoff raynak [mailto:geo-@igeneratorllc.com]

Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 9:39 AM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] FW: Bear Springs late charge





if we fax in our application, do we get charged the late fee?

an unknown fee structure with just my credit card # is a bit carte blanc

i remember i faxed one in last year (forget what race) and got charged a

'faxing' fee because the promoter didn't have the money before the race.



g





----- Original Message -----

From: "MARTEL,MATT (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" <matt_m-@hp.com>

To: <ob-@topica.com>

Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 9:25 AM

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] FW: Bear Springs late charge





 Thanks Mike for spelling out the official rules and the options we have. I

share the same feeling as many of the other racers in that I don't think

the

 late charge is appropriate. I will be sending a message to the promoter by

not attending his event.



Matt Martel

Corvallis, OR







-----Original Message-----

From: mike.m-@obra.org [mailto:mike.m-@obra.org]

Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 10:51 PM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] FW: Bear Springs late charge





Steven R Holland [mailto:srh-@webtv.net] wrote:

"Actually, [ Candi, correct me if I'm wrong ]

If OBRA is using the same rules as the USCF, a promoter CAN NOT charge a

late fee unless a race flyer has been distributed to at least 50% of

all licensed riders in the state two weeks prior to the event."



OBRA does not use the same rule set as USCF. This is the second year that

we are using a rule set specific to OBRA. The rules are similar to those

used by ACA and NCNCA. You can download it from the web page, I can send

it

 to you e-mail or we will mail it to you on request.



The applicable OBRA rules are:



"4. - RACE ORGANIZER ...

4.3 - Entry fees are established by the race organizer. [OBRA recommends

to

 charge fees that are fair and reasonable to the rider.] "



"6. - ENTRY FORMS/RACE ANNOUNCEMENTS

6.1 - The race organizer must include the following information on the

race

 Entry forms/Race announcement:

Name of Event

Date(s) of Event

Location of Event

Map or Directions to Race Course

Course description

Type of Race

Contact information for race organizer

Categories, start times, entry fees and prizes

Any entry restrictions

6.2 - Entry forms/Race announcements must be approved by the OBRA

Administrative Assistant prior to publication."



The rules, however, do not have any penalty for violation of the

requirements on 6.1 and 6.2. They are violated frequently by race

organizers, probably mostly through ignorance.



There is no rule requiring publication of the flyer in any fashion. Since

the race organizer has a vested interest in getting people to come to his

event it is probably not necessary for there to be such a rule.



If people don't like the late fee or the entry fee in general then the

simple solution is don't go to the event. The race organizer will get the

message through lack of attendance at their event.



It should be noted that the OBRA rules can be changed through the

following

 mechanism:



"Modification of these rules may be made by vote of the club

representatives, generally at an annual meeting. Proposed rule changes

shall

 be presented to OBRA in written form to be voted on by the club

representatives. The OBRA board may in an emergency, or in the case of a

time sensitive matter, make modifications to these rules. Changes to the

rules which are primarily of a housekeeping nature, such as printing

format

 or changing numbering, may be made without board approval."



If you don't like the rules and want to modify them, add new rules or

delete

 existing rules then propose them in writing prior to the annual meeting.



Mike Murray



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geoff raynak

if we fax in our application, do we get charged the late fee?

an unknown fee structure with just my credit card # is a bit carte blanc

i remember i faxed one in last year (forget what race) and got charged a

'faxing' fee because the promoter didn't have the money before the race.



g

 ----- Original Message -----

From: "MARTEL,MATT (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" <matt_m-@hp.com>

To: <ob-@topica.com>

Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 9:25 AM

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] FW: Bear Springs late charge





 Thanks Mike for spelling out the official rules and the options we have.

I

  share the same feeling as many of the other racers in that I don't think

the

 late charge is appropriate. I will be sending a message to the promoter

by

  not attending his event.



Matt Martel

Corvallis, OR







-----Original Message-----

From: mike.m-@obra.org [mailto:mike.m-@obra.org]

Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 10:51 PM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] FW: Bear Springs late charge





Steven R Holland [mailto:srh-@webtv.net] wrote:

"Actually, [ Candi, correct me if I'm wrong ]

If OBRA is using the same rules as the USCF, a promoter CAN NOT charge a

late fee unless a race flyer has been distributed to at least 50% of

all licensed riders in the state two weeks prior to the event."



OBRA does not use the same rule set as USCF. This is the second year

that

  we are using a rule set specific to OBRA. The rules are similar to

those

  used by ACA and NCNCA. You can download it from the web page, I can

send

 it

 to you e-mail or we will mail it to you on request.



The applicable OBRA rules are:



"4. - RACE ORGANIZER ...

4.3 - Entry fees are established by the race organizer. [OBRA recommends

to

 charge fees that are fair and reasonable to the rider.] "



"6. - ENTRY FORMS/RACE ANNOUNCEMENTS

6.1 - The race organizer must include the following information on the

race

 Entry forms/Race announcement:

Name of Event

Date(s) of Event

Location of Event

Map or Directions to Race Course

Course description

Type of Race

Contact information for race organizer

Categories, start times, entry fees and prizes

Any entry restrictions

6.2 - Entry forms/Race announcements must be approved by the OBRA

Administrative Assistant prior to publication."



The rules, however, do not have any penalty for violation of the

requirements on 6.1 and 6.2. They are violated frequently by race

organizers, probably mostly through ignorance.



There is no rule requiring publication of the flyer in any fashion.

Since

  the race organizer has a vested interest in getting people to come to

his

  event it is probably not necessary for there to be such a rule.



If people don't like the late fee or the entry fee in general then the

simple solution is don't go to the event. The race organizer will get

the

  message through lack of attendance at their event.



It should be noted that the OBRA rules can be changed through the

following

 mechanism:



"Modification of these rules may be made by vote of the club

representatives, generally at an annual meeting. Proposed rule changes

shall

 be presented to OBRA in written form to be voted on by the club

representatives. The OBRA board may in an emergency, or in the case of a

time sensitive matter, make modifications to these rules. Changes to the

rules which are primarily of a housekeeping nature, such as printing

format

 or changing numbering, may be made without board approval."



If you don't like the rules and want to modify them, add new rules or

delete

 existing rules then propose them in writing prior to the annual meeting.



Mike Murray



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geoff raynak

if we fax in our application, do we get charged the late fee?

an unknown fee structure with just my credit card # is a bit carte blanc

i remember i faxed one in last year (forget what race) and got charged a

'faxing' fee because the promoter didn't have the money before the race.



g





----- Original Message -----

From: "MARTEL,MATT (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" <matt_m-@hp.com>

To: <ob-@topica.com>

Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 9:25 AM

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] FW: Bear Springs late charge





 Thanks Mike for spelling out the official rules and the options we have. I

share the same feeling as many of the other racers in that I don't think

the

 late charge is appropriate. I will be sending a message to the promoter by

not attending his event.



Matt Martel

Corvallis, OR







-----Original Message-----

From: mike.m-@obra.org [mailto:mike.m-@obra.org]

Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 10:51 PM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] FW: Bear Springs late charge





Steven R Holland [mailto:srh-@webtv.net] wrote:

"Actually, [ Candi, correct me if I'm wrong ]

If OBRA is using the same rules as the USCF, a promoter CAN NOT charge a

late fee unless a race flyer has been distributed to at least 50% of

all licensed riders in the state two weeks prior to the event."



OBRA does not use the same rule set as USCF. This is the second year that

we are using a rule set specific to OBRA. The rules are similar to those

used by ACA and NCNCA. You can download it from the web page, I can send

it

 to you e-mail or we will mail it to you on request.



The applicable OBRA rules are:



"4. - RACE ORGANIZER ...

4.3 - Entry fees are established by the race organizer. [OBRA recommends

to

 charge fees that are fair and reasonable to the rider.] "



"6. - ENTRY FORMS/RACE ANNOUNCEMENTS

6.1 - The race organizer must include the following information on the

race

 Entry forms/Race announcement:

Name of Event

Date(s) of Event

Location of Event

Map or Directions to Race Course

Course description

Type of Race

Contact information for race organizer

Categories, start times, entry fees and prizes

Any entry restrictions

6.2 - Entry forms/Race announcements must be approved by the OBRA

Administrative Assistant prior to publication."



The rules, however, do not have any penalty for violation of the

requirements on 6.1 and 6.2. They are violated frequently by race

organizers, probably mostly through ignorance.



There is no rule requiring publication of the flyer in any fashion. Since

the race organizer has a vested interest in getting people to come to his

event it is probably not necessary for there to be such a rule.



If people don't like the late fee or the entry fee in general then the

simple solution is don't go to the event. The race organizer will get the

message through lack of attendance at their event.



It should be noted that the OBRA rules can be changed through the

following

 mechanism:



"Modification of these rules may be made by vote of the club

representatives, generally at an annual meeting. Proposed rule changes

shall

 be presented to OBRA in written form to be voted on by the club

representatives. The OBRA board may in an emergency, or in the case of a

time sensitive matter, make modifications to these rules. Changes to the

rules which are primarily of a housekeeping nature, such as printing

format

 or changing numbering, may be made without board approval."



If you don't like the rules and want to modify them, add new rules or

delete

 existing rules then propose them in writing prior to the annual meeting.



Mike Murray



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MARTEL,MATT (HP-Corvallis,ex1)

Thanks Mike for spelling out the official rules and the options we have. I

share the same feeling as many of the other racers in that I don't think the

late charge is appropriate. I will be sending a message to the promoter by

not attending his event.



Matt Martel

Corvallis, OR







-----Original Message-----

From: mike.m-@obra.org [mailto:mike.m-@obra.org]

Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 10:51 PM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] FW: Bear Springs late charge





Steven R Holland [mailto:srh-@webtv.net] wrote:

"Actually, [ Candi, correct me if I'm wrong ]

If OBRA is using the same rules as the USCF, a promoter CAN NOT charge a

late fee unless a race flyer has been distributed to at least 50% of

all licensed riders in the state two weeks prior to the event."



OBRA does not use the same rule set as USCF. This is the second year that

we are using a rule set specific to OBRA. The rules are similar to those

used by ACA and NCNCA. You can download it from the web page, I can send it

to you e-mail or we will mail it to you on request.



The applicable OBRA rules are:



"4. - RACE ORGANIZER ...

4.3 - Entry fees are established by the race organizer. [OBRA recommends to

charge fees that are fair and reasonable to the rider.] "



"6. - ENTRY FORMS/RACE ANNOUNCEMENTS

6.1 - The race organizer must include the following information on the race

Entry forms/Race announcement:

Name of Event

Date(s) of Event

Location of Event

Map or Directions to Race Course

Course description

Type of Race

Contact information for race organizer

Categories, start times, entry fees and prizes

Any entry restrictions

6.2 - Entry forms/Race announcements must be approved by the OBRA

Administrative Assistant prior to publication."



The rules, however, do not have any penalty for violation of the

requirements on 6.1 and 6.2. They are violated frequently by race

organizers, probably mostly through ignorance.



There is no rule requiring publication of the flyer in any fashion. Since

the race organizer has a vested interest in getting people to come to his

event it is probably not necessary for there to be such a rule.



If people don't like the late fee or the entry fee in general then the

simple solution is don't go to the event. The race organizer will get the

message through lack of attendance at their event.



It should be noted that the OBRA rules can be changed through the following

mechanism:



"Modification of these rules may be made by vote of the club

representatives, generally at an annual meeting. Proposed rule changes shall

be presented to OBRA in written form to be voted on by the club

representatives. The OBRA board may in an emergency, or in the case of a

time sensitive matter, make modifications to these rules. Changes to the

rules which are primarily of a housekeeping nature, such as printing format

or changing numbering, may be made without board approval."



If you don't like the rules and want to modify them, add new rules or delete

existing rules then propose them in writing prior to the annual meeting.



Mike Murray



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i beleive reducing the cost of a late fee implies that there is a problem

with the organization of the race.

the rules should be followed,

but if i was organizing the race i would charge no late fee at this point.



david baker







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mike.m-@obra.org

Steven R Holland [mailto:srh-@webtv.net] wrote:

"Actually, [ Candi, correct me if I'm wrong ]

If OBRA is using the same rules as the USCF, a promoter CAN NOT charge a

late fee unless a race flyer has been distributed to at least 50% of

all licensed riders in the state two weeks prior to the event."



OBRA does not use the same rule set as USCF. This is the second year that

we are using a rule set specific to OBRA. The rules are similar to those

used by ACA and NCNCA. You can download it from the web page, I can send it

to you e-mail or we will mail it to you on request.



The applicable OBRA rules are:



"4. - RACE ORGANIZER ...

4.3 - Entry fees are established by the race organizer. [OBRA recommends to

charge fees that are fair and reasonable to the rider.] "



"6. - ENTRY FORMS/RACE ANNOUNCEMENTS

6.1 - The race organizer must include the following information on the race

Entry forms/Race announcement:

Name of Event

Date(s) of Event

Location of Event

Map or Directions to Race Course

Course description

Type of Race

Contact information for race organizer

Categories, start times, entry fees and prizes

Any entry restrictions

6.2 - Entry forms/Race announcements must be approved by the OBRA

Administrative Assistant prior to publication."



The rules, however, do not have any penalty for violation of the

requirements on 6.1 and 6.2. They are violated frequently by race

organizers, probably mostly through ignorance.



There is no rule requiring publication of the flyer in any fashion. Since

the race organizer has a vested interest in getting people to come to his

event it is probably not necessary for there to be such a rule.



If people don't like the late fee or the entry fee in general then the

simple solution is don't go to the event. The race organizer will get the

message through lack of attendance at their event.



It should be noted that the OBRA rules can be changed through the following

mechanism:



"Modification of these rules may be made by vote of the club

representatives, generally at an annual meeting. Proposed rule changes shall

be presented to OBRA in written form to be voted on by the club

representatives. The OBRA board may in an emergency, or in the case of a

time sensitive matter, make modifications to these rules. Changes to the

rules which are primarily of a housekeeping nature, such as printing format

or changing numbering, may be made without board approval."



If you don't like the rules and want to modify them, add new rules or delete

existing rules then propose them in writing prior to the annual meeting.



Mike Murray

Don Person

WOW! A $5 mtb race! The "race flyer" does not have an entry fee listed.



80)



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We will only charge a 5$ late fee...there is still plenty of time to

pre-reg..via fax (503) 272-0240 or even the mail.

Don Person - Race Director

Cascade Cream Puff 100 mile Mt. Bike Race

http://www.puff100.com

cc-@puff100.com

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Actually, [ Candi, correct me if I'm wrong ]

If OBRA is using the same rules as the USCF, a promoter CAN NOT charge a

late fee unless a race flyer has been distributed to at least 50% of

all licensed riders in the state two weeks prior to the event.......



STEVEN R HOLLAND

17203 SE 30th St.

VANCOUVER,WA 98683-2300

360-891-3924









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I don't see 4 days as acceptable to make a decision as to whether to race or not and get a registration mailed in,

being that the race flyer was just received today. I find it ridiculous that a late fee will be charged.

Todd Duncan



(I don't generally race mtn bikes any more, just an outside observer.)





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We will only charge a 5$ late fee...there is still plenty of time to

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Duncan, Todd

I don't see 4 days as acceptable to make a decision as to whether to race or not and get a registration mailed in,

being that the race flyer was just received today. I find it ridiculous that a late fee will be charged.

Todd Duncan



(I don't generally race mtn bikes any more, just an outside observer.)





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We will only charge a 5$ late fee...there is still plenty of time to

pre-reg..via fax (503) 272-0240 or even the mail.

Candi Murray

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We will only charge a 5$ late fee...there is still plenty of time to

pre-reg..via fax (503) 272-0240 or even the mail.