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sn-@ccountry.net

2000-06-06

I applaud Candace's attempt to support women's racing in Oregon. I have

read the petition posts etc. and have a couple of comments/questions.



1. What are the women in Oregon doing to improve Oregon racing

opportunities for women? Outside of Candy, I have not observed many

women getting that involved in their own sport. Are you organizing a

peer group to provide encouragement to one another to actually race?

The biggest problem for promoters is when a category is set up an no one

participates. Candace, have you approached any promoters with

sponsorship to fund additional opportunities/categories for women at

existing races? What about promoting a race series for beginner women

to get them involved in racing? When should we expect to see your first

race promotion with the ideal categories as an example for others to

follow?



2. If there are not women categories/races then there should not be

similar men categories/races, is that is your suggestion? If it is,

then, you should not be participating in the Monday night Masters races

at PIR as we do not have a Monday night Masters race in Southern Oregon,

and for the sake of fairness I believe the races should be canceled

immediately. (sounds silly huh?)



Your basic premise of equal races or categories for men and women is

flawed. Women can race with the men anytime they like, however, men

cannot race with the women. Therefore, women have MORE opportunity to

race than men. No, women may not have their own category, however, if

there is not a category for women, it is likely there are not enough

women racers to support the category. A race of one is not a race, and

likely adds to women's discontent.



By simply adding categories, you have resolved nothing. Cycling

organizations have tried your suggestion for YEARS, with no results.

Look at the success of Masters competition in the US. It did not start

out one day by stating, "lets have equal opportunities for Masters to

race".   It started by offering a few age graded categories, and as

participation increased so did the categories. For women, this same

offer has been in existence since the early eighties, however, women

racers have not responded. Even at a time when we had the best women

racers in the world, women racing floundered.



The resolution to your issue is to simply get women racing.



Richard Randleman



Reid, Pam

2000-05-25

I agree that women and master women need to vote with their entry but I also

remember back 12 years ago when I first got into bike racing a master's men

catagory was always offered and very few master men participated. However

that catagory has consistently been offered every year and at almost every

race and WOW, look at the # of participants in the master men catagory now.

I think the same thing can happen for the Master Women. The catagory needs

to be offered, we need to SHOW UP and encourage others to take up our sport!



Pam



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While I have to admire Candace's request, I see this also from a more

practical stand point.



This year I promoted the Estacada Time trial. 2 separate days. On day 2

we had 84 riders and 11 were women

3 Senior, 5 Masters, 1 Jr and 2 Cat 4 women

On day 1 we had 50 riders

2 Sr, 2 Masters 1 Jr and 2 Cat 4 women



The women who are requesting more defined categories must first vote with

their entry fees. You have to show that there is a need by coming to

events. This has been demonstated greatly this year by the Monday PIR

series. The women's field has grown over the 3 years so that now we are

consistenly getting 15-20 riders. On Friday Night at the track - an

introduction field of women is offered and in 1 week we had a 100% growth

in attendance.





I don't understand the uncontested prize, is that really a victory?



Candi



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Barila, Phil

2000-05-25

I am very much in support of increasing opportunities for women to race, but

I can't support this petition as it is given. It places far too much burden

on the promoters, and offers them very little in return.



Have we learned nothing from observing our neighbors to the north? Several

enterprising individuals identified the need to stimulate participation at

the entry level by a combination of reward and encouragement (carrot and hug

discipline? :-D), and it has taken off. I have met at least one Oregon

woman who has benefited from competing in the Washington series. Is she the

only one?



Instead of imposing a burden on all promoters, perhaps a better tack would

be to create a similar program. Perhaps you might like to look at

http://www.teamestrogen.com/nwwrs.asp and

http://www.bikementors.com/series/serindex.htm for some ideas. The

BikeMentors website has a lot of good info for new racers, of either gender.



There's no reason why a similar series can't be done for a subset of Masters

racers...



Phil



* Philip D. Barila | (503) 264-8386

* Intel Corp. | Not speaking for Intel





 Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 20:04:29 +0000 (GMT)

From: "Candace Bonner, M.D. 67 3158" <Candace-@kp.org>

Subject: petition



    Fellow OBRA members and cycling friends,

    The following is a petition proposing minor changes in OBRA race

    guidelines to promote further equality in opportunity (in the spirit of

    Title 9) for women in cycle racing. Title 9 taught us that we cannot

    wait for participation before providing opportunity-opportunity is

    needed first, and participation will follow. We hope the following

    changes will, over time, encourage more young woman to enter the sport

    of cycle racing and more women to continue to participate over the age

    of forty-five. Please sign if you agree.

    Send completed petitions to Candace Bonner, 16560 SW Maple Circle, Lake

    Oswego, OR 97034.



    We the undersigned would like to encourage OBRA to continue to work

    towards equal opportunity for both men and women, both older and

    younger, in cycle racing in Oregon, by adopting the following

    guidelines:



    1) All OBRA sanctioned races should include categories for Senior men

    and women, Junior men and women, and Masters men and women.

    2) Junior racers should register by 2-year age categories and Masters

    racers by 5-year age categories.

    3) Promoters should state at the time of race announcement how many

    racers are needed per category, i.e. under what number of racers per

    category will result in categories being combined.

    4) In any given race, Junior categories for men and women should be

    equivalent and Masters categories for men and women should be

    equivalent. If age categories are combined for women, they should be

    combined similarly for men. If age categories are maintained for men,

    the same age categories should be maintained for women.

    5) There should be an overall Master's winner for men and for women in

    each race, with additional BAR points to the overall winner. Promoters

    may choose to limit significant Masters cash prizes to overall Master's

    winners.

    6) In races with ribbons awards and no cash prizes, promoters should be

    encouraged to keep all categories open, even with low numbers of

racers.

     7) Annual BAR awards should be given for at least two age categories of

    Masters men and Masters women.



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jeff mitchem

2000-05-25

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Candace,



As the promoter of the Tuesday night PIR races, I have the following request

for clarification:



As I read this, you are requesting that I add at least four events to the

Tuesday night program....Is that right, is that what you are requesting?



Jeff Mitchem





    Fellow OBRA members and cycling friends,

     The following is a petition proposing minor changes in OBRA race

    guidelines to promote further equality in opportunity (in the spirit of

    Title 9) for women in cycle racing. Title 9 taught us that we cannot

    wait for participation before providing opportunity-opportunity is

    needed first, and participation will follow. We hope the following

    changes will, over time, encourage more young woman to enter the sport

    of cycle racing and more women to continue to participate over the age

    of forty-five. Please sign if you agree.

    Send completed petitions to Candace Bonner, 16560 SW Maple Circle, Lake

    Oswego, OR 97034.



    We the undersigned would like to encourage OBRA to continue to work

    towards equal opportunity for both men and women, both older and

    younger, in cycle racing in Oregon, by adopting the following

    guidelines:



    1) All OBRA sanctioned races should include categories for Senior men

    and women, Junior men and women, and Masters men and women.

    2) Junior racers should register by 2-year age categories and Masters

    racers by 5-year age categories.

    3) Promoters should state at the time of race announcement how many

    racers are needed per category, i.e. under what number of racers per

    category will result in categories being combined.

    4) In any given race, Junior categories for men and women should be

    equivalent and Masters categories for men and women should be

    equivalent. If age categories are combined for women, they should be

    combined similarly for men. If age categories are maintained for men,

    the same age categories should be maintained for women.

    5) There should be an overall Master's winner for men and for women in

    each race, with additional BAR points to the overall winner. Promoters

    may choose to limit significant Masters cash prizes to overall Master's

    winners.

    6) In races with ribbons awards and no cash prizes, promoters should be

    encouraged to keep all categories open, even with low numbers of racers.

    7) Annual BAR awards should be given for at least two age categories of

    Masters men and Masters women.



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   Send completed petitions to Candace Bonner, 16560 SW=

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Candi Murray

2000-05-25

While I have to admire Candace's request, I see this also from a more

practical stand point.



This year I promoted the Estacada Time trial. 2 separate days. On day 2

we had 84 riders and 11 were women

3 Senior, 5 Masters, 1 Jr and 2 Cat 4 women

On day 1 we had 50 riders

2 Sr, 2 Masters 1 Jr and 2 Cat 4 women



The women who are requesting more defined categories must first vote with

their entry fees. You have to show that there is a need by coming to

events. This has been demonstated greatly this year by the Monday PIR

series. The women's field has grown over the 3 years so that now we are

consistenly getting 15-20 riders. On Friday Night at the track - an

introduction field of women is offered and in 1 week we had a 100% growth

in attendance.





I don't understand the uncontested prize, is that really a victory?



Candi



Candi Murray

2000-05-25



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    Fellow OBRA members and cycling friends,

    The following is a petition proposing minor changes in OBRA race

    guidelines to promote further equality in opportunity (in the spirit of

    Title 9) for women in cycle racing. Title 9 taught us that we cannot

    wait for participation before providing opportunity-opportunity is

    needed first, and participation will follow. We hope the following

    changes will, over time, encourage more young woman to enter the sport

    of cycle racing and more women to continue to participate over the age

    of forty-five. Please sign if you agree.

    Send completed petitions to Candace Bonner, 16560 SW Maple Circle, Lake

    Oswego, OR 97034.



    We the undersigned would like to encourage OBRA to continue to work

    towards equal opportunity for both men and women, both older and

    younger, in cycle racing in Oregon, by adopting the following

    guidelines:



    1) All OBRA sanctioned races should include categories for Senior men

    and women, Junior men and women, and Masters men and women.

    2) Junior racers should register by 2-year age categories and Masters

    racers by 5-year age categories.

    3) Promoters should state at the time of race announcement how many

    racers are needed per category, i.e. under what number of racers per

    category will result in categories being combined.

    4) In any given race, Junior categories for men and women should be

    equivalent and Masters categories for men and women should be

    equivalent. If age categories are combined for women, they should be

    combined similarly for men. If age categories are maintained for men,

    the same age categories should be maintained for women.

    5) There should be an overall Master's winner for men and for women in

    each race, with additional BAR points to the overall winner. Promoters

    may choose to limit significant Masters cash prizes to overall Master's

    winners.

    6) In races with ribbons awards and no cash prizes, promoters should be

    encouraged to keep all categories open, even with low numbers of racers.

    7) Annual BAR awards should be given for at least two age categories of

    Masters men and Masters women.