Joe Cipale

Okay Rick...

I think this one is the big catch here! DO youpractice 'catch and release' or are you planning on mounting this trophy catch? :D

Joe

Jason Shucker wrote:

> Mr Hammel,=A0 you are NOT confused or naive.=A0 In my humble opinion you br=
> ing up a great point.=A0 I do not for the life of me understand the popular=
> ity of this sport...especially in Oregon.=A0 It is road racing?=A0 Is it Mt=
> Biking? and as you added, is it Cross Country Running?=A0 Obviously its al=
> l three, so your question does hold some truth, is it actually 'bike racing=
> '?=A0=20
>
> What is the point of adding barriers that call for you to dismount, steep r=
> un ups that no one can ride up in a bike race?.=A0 If these barriers were p=
> ut into a road race, a crit, or a time trial people would be crying in thei=
> r micro-brews.=A0 Yet, each fall a 1000+ people come out to bike and run ar=
> ound a dairy and farms.=A0 Why?=A0=20
>
> Thank you Mr Hammel for having the courage to post your thoughts to OBRA Ch=
> at.=A0 Its to bad many of the masses assumed you were 'joking' instead of b=
> ringing up a great question.=A0 Perhaps you cross racers need to get off yo=
> ur soap box and realize not everyone loves your sport.=A0 Some of us do que=
> stion it and find it to be quite silly.=A0
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: rick hammel
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Sent: Saturday, October 3, 2009 9:53:27 AM
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Is Cyclocross really bike racing?
>
>
> Maybe I'm just naive or confused; but I'm not sure cyclocross is bike racin=
> g.=A0 Looks more like Cross Country running or Steeple Chase to me.=A0 It s=
> eems somewhat popular in Oregon so I hope I don't step on anyone's toes; bu=
> t I think we need to consider whether it belongs or not.=A0=20
>
> For me bike racing is being in the saddle and riding my bike, not carrying =
> it like a duffle bag over a mini Steeple Chase barrier, how silly is that.=
> =A0 I'm not saying it's not a sport all together, just not really bike raci=
> ng.=A0 Running and hurdling is not bike racing, sorry, it isn't.=A0 Maybe I=
> 'm just a stodgy old purist; but all this Cyclocross stuff makes me confuse=
> d and could really be leading us down a path of not really being a bicycle =
> racing group.=A0=A0 Makes us more of a cross country, steeplechassing, mud =
> slinging race organization.=A0 Now that doesn't sound like bike racing to m=
> e.
>
> For that reason, perhaps we should have a respectful and healthy=A0debate o=
> n whether to keep this schizophrenic athletic endeavor as part of OBRA or c=
> reate a wholly separate OCRA for these folks.=A0 As far as I know they don'=
> t even do this kind of racing in the motherland:=A0 Europe.
>
> best regards,
> Rick Hammel
>
>
> =20=20=20=20=20=20=

Jason Shucker

Mr Hammel,  you are NOT confused or naive.  In my humble opinion you bring up a great point.  I do not for the life of me understand the popularity of this sport...especially in Oregon.  It is road racing?  Is it Mt Biking? and as you added, is it Cross Country Running?  Obviously its all three, so your question does hold some truth, is it actually 'bike racing'? 

What is the point of adding barriers that call for you to dismount, steep run ups that no one can ride up in a bike race?.  If these barriers were put into a road race, a crit, or a time trial people would be crying in their micro-brews.  Yet, each fall a 1000+ people come out to bike and run around a dairy and farms.  Why? 

Thank you Mr Hammel for having the courage to post your thoughts to OBRA Chat.  Its to bad many of the masses assumed you were 'joking' instead of bringing up a great question.  Perhaps you cross racers need to get off your soap box and realize not everyone loves your sport.  Some of us do question it and find it to be quite silly. 

________________________________
From: rick hammel
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Saturday, October 3, 2009 9:53:27 AM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Is Cyclocross really bike racing?

Maybe I'm just naive or confused; but I'm not sure cyclocross is bike racing.  Looks more like Cross Country running or Steeple Chase to me.  It seems somewhat popular in Oregon so I hope I don't step on anyone's toes; but I think we need to consider whether it belongs or not. 

For me bike racing is being in the saddle and riding my bike, not carrying it like a duffle bag over a mini Steeple Chase barrier, how silly is that.  I'm not saying it's not a sport all together, just not really bike racing.  Running and hurdling is not bike racing, sorry, it isn't.  Maybe I'm just a stodgy old purist; but all this Cyclocross stuff makes me confused and could really be leading us down a path of not really being a bicycle racing group.   Makes us more of a cross country, steeplechassing, mud slinging race organization.  Now that doesn't sound like bike racing to me.

For that reason, perhaps we should have a respectful and healthy debate on whether to keep this schizophrenic athletic endeavor as part of OBRA or create a wholly separate OCRA for these folks.  As far as I know they don't even do this kind of racing in the motherland:  Europe.

best regards,
Rick Hammel

Curt Dewees

I don't see what the fuss is about. The dude admitted right up front,
"Maybe I'm just naive or confused..."

All he needed was someone to help him delete the word "Maybe" and replace
"or" with "and" ...

... and my work here is done! :-)
CD

> > >
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: rick hammel
> > >> To: obra@list.obra.org
> > >> Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 9:53 AM
> > >> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Is Cyclocross really bike racing?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Maybe I'm just naive or confused; ...
>

joe cipale

I thought it was funnier than hell the number of people that bit.
I wonder what kind of bait he was using?

On Sunday 04 October 2009 21:19, Trevor Spahr wrote:
> Everybody just stop. This many serious replies to an obvious troll is
> worse than the original post itself. Let's move on, please.
>
> On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Chris Streight wrote:
> > Rick, Cyclocross actually started in France (which is part of the
> >
> >> "motherland"): http://www.cyclingrevealed.com/cyclocross/Intro_CX.htm
> >
> > As you will read the winner of the 1910 Tour of France raced cyclocross.
> >
> > What about mountain bike racing? Sometimes racers push their bikes up
> > hills when they are too steep or difficult to ride. Should this also not
> > be considered bike racing because they use their feet for more than just
> > turning the pedals? Of course not.
> >
> > So yes, cyclocross most certainly is bike racing and belongs in OBRA.
> >
> > Chris Streight
> >
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: rick hammel
> >> To: obra@list.obra.org
> >> Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 9:53 AM
> >> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Is Cyclocross really bike racing?
> >>
> >>
> >> Maybe I'm just naive or confused; but I'm not sure cyclocross is bike
> >> racing. Looks more like Cross Country running or Steeple Chase to me.
> >> It seems somewhat popular in Oregon so I hope I don't step on anyone's
> >> toes; but I think we need to consider whether it belongs or not.
> >>
> >> For me bike racing is being in the saddle and riding my bike, not
> >> carrying it like a duffle bag over a mini Steeple Chase barrier, how
> >> silly is that. I'm not saying it's not a sport all together, just not
> >> really bike racing. Running and hurdling is not bike racing, sorry, it
> >> isn't. Maybe I'm just a stodgy old purist; but all this Cyclocross
> >> stuff makes me confused and could really be leading us down a path of
> >> not really being a bicycle racing group. Makes us more of a cross
> >> country, steeplechassing, mud slinging race organization. Now that
> >> doesn't sound like bike racing to me.
> >>
> >> For that reason, perhaps we should have a respectful and healthy debate
> >> on whether to keep this schizophrenic athletic endeavor as part of OBRA
> >> or create a wholly separate OCRA for these folks. As far as I know they
> >> don't even do this kind of racing in the motherland: Europe.
> >>
> >> best regards,
> >> Rick Hammel
> >
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Trevor Spahr

Everybody just stop. This many serious replies to an obvious troll is worse
than the original post itself. Let's move on, please.

On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Chris Streight wrote:

> Rick, Cyclocross actually started in France (which is part of the
>> "motherland"): http://www.cyclingrevealed.com/cyclocross/Intro_CX.htm
>>
>
> As you will read the winner of the 1910 Tour of France raced cyclocross.
>
> What about mountain bike racing? Sometimes racers push their bikes up hills
> when they are too steep or difficult to ride. Should this also not be
> considered bike racing because they use their feet for more than just
> turning the pedals? Of course not.
>
> So yes, cyclocross most certainly is bike racing and belongs in OBRA.
>
> Chris Streight
>
>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: rick hammel
>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>> Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 9:53 AM
>> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Is Cyclocross really bike racing?
>>
>>
>> Maybe I'm just naive or confused; but I'm not sure cyclocross is bike
>> racing. Looks more like Cross Country running or Steeple Chase to me. It
>> seems somewhat popular in Oregon so I hope I don't step on anyone's toes;
>> but I think we need to consider whether it belongs or not.
>>
>> For me bike racing is being in the saddle and riding my bike, not
>> carrying it like a duffle bag over a mini Steeple Chase barrier, how silly
>> is that. I'm not saying it's not a sport all together, just not really bike
>> racing. Running and hurdling is not bike racing, sorry, it isn't. Maybe
>> I'm just a stodgy old purist; but all this Cyclocross stuff makes me
>> confused and could really be leading us down a path of not really being a
>> bicycle racing group. Makes us more of a cross country, steeplechassing,
>> mud slinging race organization. Now that doesn't sound like bike racing to
>> me.
>>
>> For that reason, perhaps we should have a respectful and healthy debate
>> on whether to keep this schizophrenic athletic endeavor as part of OBRA or
>> create a wholly separate OCRA for these folks. As far as I know they don't
>> even do this kind of racing in the motherland: Europe.
>>
>> best regards,
>> Rick Hammel
>>
>>
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Chris Streight

>
> Rick, Cyclocross actually started in France (which is part of the
> "motherland"): http://www.cyclingrevealed.com/cyclocross/Intro_CX.htm
>

As you will read the winner of the 1910 Tour of France raced cyclocross.

What about mountain bike racing? Sometimes racers push their bikes up hills
when they are too steep or difficult to ride. Should this also not be
considered bike racing because they use their feet for more than just
turning the pedals? Of course not.

So yes, cyclocross most certainly is bike racing and belongs in OBRA.

Chris Streight

>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: rick hammel
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 9:53 AM
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Is Cyclocross really bike racing?
>
>
> Maybe I'm just naive or confused; but I'm not sure cyclocross is bike
> racing. Looks more like Cross Country running or Steeple Chase to me. It
> seems somewhat popular in Oregon so I hope I don't step on anyone's toes;
> but I think we need to consider whether it belongs or not.
>
> For me bike racing is being in the saddle and riding my bike, not carrying
> it like a duffle bag over a mini Steeple Chase barrier, how silly is that.
> I'm not saying it's not a sport all together, just not really bike racing.
> Running and hurdling is not bike racing, sorry, it isn't. Maybe I'm just a
> stodgy old purist; but all this Cyclocross stuff makes me confused and could
> really be leading us down a path of not really being a bicycle racing group.
> Makes us more of a cross country, steeplechassing, mud slinging race
> organization. Now that doesn't sound like bike racing to me.
>
> For that reason, perhaps we should have a respectful and healthy debate on
> whether to keep this schizophrenic athletic endeavor as part of OBRA or
> create a wholly separate OCRA for these folks. As far as I know they don't
> even do this kind of racing in the motherland: Europe.
>
> best regards,
> Rick Hammel
>
>

lisa graham

1393 racer for cyclocross today, so yes its racing. Come try it

Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 20:38:52 -0700
From: hammelr@yahoo.com
To: TSchauer@mackaysposito.com; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Is Cyclocross really bike racing?

i'm pretty sure i've never been in your gene pool. "bike race" and "farm" cannot intelligently be used in the same sentence, thus proving my point.

i win !! and you could never make it to my gene pool, you'd drown.

i also googled 'cross and Europe, all i came up with was stuff about the Knights Templar, Haa!! I knew it.

Indurain ran cross country in high school; but never ran through mud with his bike, duhhhh.

From: Tim Schauer
To: rick hammel ; "obra@list.obra.org"
Sent: Saturday, October 3, 2009 6:22:31 PM
Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Is Cyclocross really bike racing?

Hey YOU! ….Rick……Yeah, you…….Out of the gene pool…NOW!

BTW: Great BIKE race at Heiser’s Farm today!!

-Tim Schauer

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of rick hammel
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 9:53 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Is Cyclocross really bike racing?

Maybe I'm just naive or confused; but I'm not sure cyclocross is bike racing. Looks more like Cross Country running or Steeple Chase to me. It seems somewhat popular in Oregon so I hope I don't step on anyone's toes; but I think we need to consider whether it belongs or not.

For me bike racing is being in the saddle and riding my bike, not carrying it like a duffle bag over a mini Steeple Chase barrier, how silly is that. I'm not saying it's not a sport all together, just not really bike racing. Running and hurdling is not bike racing, sorry, it isn't. Maybe I'm just a stodgy old purist; but all this Cyclocross stuff makes me confused and could really be leading us down a path of not really being a bicycle racing group. Makes us more of a cross country, steeplechassing, mud slinging race organization. Now that doesn't sound like bike racing to me.

For that reason, perhaps we should have a respectful and healthy debate on whether to keep this schizophrenic athletic endeavor as part of OBRA or create a wholly separate OCRA for these folks. As far as I know they don't even do this kind of racing in the motherland: Europe.

best regards,

Rick Hammel

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rick hammel

i'm pretty sure i've never been in your gene pool.  "bike race" and "farm" cannot intelligently be used in the same sentence, thus proving my point.

i win !!  and you could never make it to my gene pool, you'd drown. 

i also googled 'cross and Europe, all i came up with was stuff about the Knights Templar,  Haa!! I knew it. 

Indurain ran cross country in high school; but never ran through mud with his bike, duhhhh.

________________________________
From: Tim Schauer
To: rick hammel ; "obra@list.obra.org"
Sent: Saturday, October 3, 2009 6:22:31 PM
Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Is Cyclocross really bike racing?

Hey YOU! ….Rick……Yeah, you…….Out of the gene pool…NOW!
 
BTW: Great BIKE race at Heiser’s Farm today!!
 
-Tim Schauer
 
From:obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of rick hammel
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 9:53 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Is Cyclocross really bike racing?
 
Maybe I'm just naive or confused; but I'm not sure cyclocross is bike racing.  Looks more like Cross Country running or Steeple Chase to me.  It seems somewhat popular in Oregon so I hope I don't step on anyone's toes; but I think we need to consider whether it belongs or not. 
 
For me bike racing is being in the saddle and riding my bike, not carrying it like a duffle bag over a mini Steeple Chase barrier, how silly is that.  I'm not saying it's not a sport all together, just not really bike racing.  Running and hurdling is not bike racing, sorry, it isn't.  Maybe I'm just a stodgy old purist; but all this Cyclocross stuff makes me confused and could really be leading us down a path of not really being a bicycle racing group.   Makes us more of a cross country, steeplechassing, mud slinging race organization.  Now that doesn't sound like bike racing to me.
 
For that reason, perhaps we should have a respectful and healthy debate on whether to keep this schizophrenic athletic endeavor as part of OBRA or create a wholly separate OCRA for these folks.  As far as I know they don't even do this kind of racing in the motherland:  Europe.
 
best regards,
Rick Hammel

Karsten Hagen

Welcome to "reply all" season...

AKA Cyclocross season. But either way, bikes are involved.

Karsten
On Saturday, October 03, 2009, at 10:34AM, "Ben Fischler" wrote:
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joe cipale

Obviously SOME people bit. And bit hard. I wonder how much those 'fishies'
weigh after they were reeled in?

And personally, who really gives a sheet what the UCI says anyway?

On Saturday 03 October 2009 10:01, David Saltzberg wrote:
> Troll alert!
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of rick hammel
> Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 9:53 AM
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Is Cyclocross really bike racing?
>
>
>
> Maybe I'm just naive or confused; but I'm not sure cyclocross is bike
> racing. Looks more like Cross Country running or Steeple Chase to me. It
> seems somewhat popular in Oregon so I hope I don't step on anyone's toes;
> but I think we need to consider whether it belongs or not.
>
>
>
> For me bike racing is being in the saddle and riding my bike, not carrying
> it like a duffle bag over a mini Steeple Chase barrier, how silly is that.
> I'm not saying it's not a sport all together, just not really bike racing.
> Running and hurdling is not bike racing, sorry, it isn't. Maybe I'm just a
> stodgy old purist; but all this Cyclocross stuff makes me confused and
> could really be leading us down a path of not really being a bicycle racing
> group. Makes us more of a cross country, steeplechassing, mud slinging race
> organization. Now that doesn't sound like bike racing to me.
>
>
>
> For that reason, perhaps we should have a respectful and healthy debate on
> whether to keep this schizophrenic athletic endeavor as part of OBRA or
> create a wholly separate OCRA for these folks. As far as I know they don't
> even do this kind of racing in the motherland: Europe.
>
>
>
> best regards,
>
> Rick Hammel

Joel Morrissette

+1 Funny
But seriously, what's the best way to remove the tubular glue from my OBRA
card while bunny-hopping?

-J

On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:53 AM, rick hammel wrote:

> Maybe I'm just naive or confused; but I'm not sure cyclocross is bike
> racing. Looks more like Cross Country running or Steeple Chase to me. It
> seems somewhat popular in Oregon so I hope I don't step on anyone's toes;
> but I think we need to consider whether it belongs or not.
>
> For me bike racing is being in the saddle and riding my bike, not carrying
> it like a duffle bag over a mini Steeple Chase barrier, how silly is that.
> I'm not saying it's not a sport all together, just not really bike racing.
> Running and hurdling is not bike racing, sorry, it isn't. Maybe I'm just a
> stodgy old purist; but all this Cyclocross stuff makes me confused and could
> really be leading us down a path of not really being a bicycle racing
> group. Makes us more of a cross country, steeplechassing, mud slinging
> race organization. Now that doesn't sound like bike racing to me.
>
> For that reason, perhaps we should have a respectful and healthy debate on
> whether to keep this schizophrenic athletic endeavor as part of OBRA or
> create a wholly separate OCRA for these folks. As far as I know they don't
> even do this kind of racing in the motherland: Europe.
>
> best regards,
> Rick Hammel
>
>
>
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Tim Schauer

Hey YOU! ....Rick......Yeah, you.......Out of the gene pool...NOW!

BTW: Great BIKE race at Heiser's Farm today!!

-Tim Schauer

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of rick hammel
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 9:53 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Is Cyclocross really bike racing?

Maybe I'm just naive or confused; but I'm not sure cyclocross is bike racing. Looks more like Cross Country running or Steeple Chase to me. It seems somewhat popular in Oregon so I hope I don't step on anyone's toes; but I think we need to consider whether it belongs or not.

For me bike racing is being in the saddle and riding my bike, not carrying it like a duffle bag over a mini Steeple Chase barrier, how silly is that. I'm not saying it's not a sport all together, just not really bike racing. Running and hurdling is not bike racing, sorry, it isn't. Maybe I'm just a stodgy old purist; but all this Cyclocross stuff makes me confused and could really be leading us down a path of not really being a bicycle racing group. Makes us more of a cross country, steeplechassing, mud slinging race organization. Now that doesn't sound like bike racing to me.

For that reason, perhaps we should have a respectful and healthy debate on whether to keep this schizophrenic athletic endeavor as part of OBRA or create a wholly separate OCRA for these folks. As far as I know they don't even do this kind of racing in the motherland: Europe.

best regards,
Rick Hammel

Garcia

It certainly shouldn't be held at a velodrome!

________________________________
From: rick hammel
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Saturday, October 3, 2009 9:53:27 AM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Is Cyclocross really bike racing?

Maybe I'm just naive or confused; but I'm not sure cyclocross is bike racing.  Looks more like Cross Country running or Steeple Chase to me.  It seems somewhat popular in Oregon so I hope I don't step on anyone's toes; but I think we need to consider whether it belongs or not. 

For me bike racing is being in the saddle and riding my bike, not carrying it like a duffle bag over a mini Steeple Chase barrier, how silly is that.  I'm not saying it's not a sport all together, just not really bike racing.  Running and hurdling is not bike racing, sorry, it isn't.  Maybe I'm just a stodgy old purist; but all this Cyclocross stuff makes me confused and could really be leading us down a path of not really being a bicycle racing group.   Makes us more of a cross country, steeplechassing, mud slinging race organization.  Now that doesn't sound like bike racing to me.

For that reason, perhaps we should have a respectful and healthy debate on whether to keep this schizophrenic athletic endeavor as part of OBRA or create a wholly separate OCRA for these folks.  As far as I know they don't even do this kind of racing in the motherland:  Europe.

best regards,
Rick Hammel

karl mikkelson

Ahhh...to be unencumbered by the thought process. I wounder what the UCI in the motherland would say?

Michael O'Hair

I always liked the definition I saw in Velonews years ago. "Cyclocross; noun: A form of madness where people run across fields carrying perfectly ridable bicycles."

Jeff Tedder & Shari

Hopefully you are not serious : )

----- Original Message -----
From: rick hammel
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 9:53 AM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Is Cyclocross really bike racing?

Maybe I'm just naive or confused; but I'm not sure cyclocross is bike racing. Looks more like Cross Country running or Steeple Chase to me. It seems somewhat popular in Oregon so I hope I don't step on anyone's toes; but I think we need to consider whether it belongs or not.

For me bike racing is being in the saddle and riding my bike, not carrying it like a duffle bag over a mini Steeple Chase barrier, how silly is that. I'm not saying it's not a sport all together, just not really bike racing. Running and hurdling is not bike racing, sorry, it isn't. Maybe I'm just a stodgy old purist; but all this Cyclocross stuff makes me confused and could really be leading us down a path of not really being a bicycle racing group. Makes us more of a cross country, steeplechassing, mud slinging race organization. Now that doesn't sound like bike racing to me.

For that reason, perhaps we should have a respectful and healthy debate on whether to keep this schizophrenic athletic endeavor as part of OBRA or create a wholly separate OCRA for these folks. As far as I know they don't even do this kind of racing in the motherland: Europe.

best regards,
Rick Hammel

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Ben Fischler

Ah, the scent of a troll!

f you've got a bike involved, its bike racing. If we were carrying
skateboards I'd say you'd have a point.

E for effort, T for nice Try.

[ ben.fischler@gmail.com ]

On Oct 3, 2009, at 9:53 AM, rick hammel wrote:

> Maybe I'm just naive or confused; but I'm not sure cyclocross is
> bike racing. Looks more like Cross Country running or Steeple Chase
> to me. It seems somewhat popular in Oregon so I hope I don't step
> on anyone's toes; but I think we need to consider whether it belongs
> or not.
>
> For me bike racing is being in the saddle and riding my bike, not
> carrying it like a duffle bag over a mini Steeple Chase barrier, how
> silly is that. I'm not saying it's not a sport all together, just
> not really bike racing. Running and hurdling is not bike racing,
> sorry, it isn't. Maybe I'm just a stodgy old purist; but all this
> Cyclocross stuff makes me confused and could really be leading us
> down a path of not really being a bicycle racing group. Makes us
> more of a cross country, steeplechassing, mud slinging race
> organization. Now that doesn't sound like bike racing to me.
>
> For that reason, perhaps we should have a respectful and healthy
> debate on whether to keep this schizophrenic athletic endeavor as
> part of OBRA or create a wholly separate OCRA for these folks. As
> far as I know they don't even do this kind of racing in the
> motherland: Europe.
>
> best regards,
> Rick Hammel
>
>
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Devin Flynn

Yes, it is close to Halloween.  Troll indeed.

Any serious response is not really needed here I don't think.

Devin Flynn

Cycling Blog: http://www.rcmt.blogspot.com

--- On Sat, 10/3/09, David Saltzberg wrote:

From: David Saltzberg
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Is Cyclocross really bike racing?
To: "'rick hammel'" , obra@list.obra.org
Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 10:01 AM

Troll alert!

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Of rick hammel

Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009
9:53 AM

To: obra@list.obra.org

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Is Cyclocross
really bike racing?

Maybe I'm just naive or confused; but I'm not sure
cyclocross is bike racing.  Looks more like Cross Country running or
Steeple Chase to me.  It seems somewhat popular in Oregon so I hope I
don't step on anyone's toes; but I think we need to consider whether it belongs
or not. 

For me bike racing is being in the saddle and riding
my bike, not carrying it like a duffle bag over a mini Steeple Chase barrier,
how silly is that.  I'm not saying it's not a sport all together, just not
really bike racing.  Running and hurdling is not bike racing, sorry, it
isn't.  Maybe I'm just a stodgy old purist; but all this Cyclocross stuff
makes me confused and could really be leading us down a path of not really
being a bicycle racing group.   Makes us more of a cross country,
steeplechassing, mud slinging race organization.  Now that doesn't sound
like bike racing to me.

For that reason, perhaps we should have a respectful
and healthy debate on whether to keep this schizophrenic athletic endeavor
as part of OBRA or create a wholly separate OCRA for these folks.  As far
as I know they don't even do this kind of racing in the motherland:  Europe.

best regards,

Rick Hammel

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From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of rick hammel
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 9:53 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Is Cyclocross really bike racing?

Maybe I'm just naive or confused; but I'm not sure cyclocross is bike
racing. Looks more like Cross Country running or Steeple Chase to me. It
seems somewhat popular in Oregon so I hope I don't step on anyone's toes;
but I think we need to consider whether it belongs or not.

For me bike racing is being in the saddle and riding my bike, not carrying
it like a duffle bag over a mini Steeple Chase barrier, how silly is that.
I'm not saying it's not a sport all together, just not really bike racing.
Running and hurdling is not bike racing, sorry, it isn't. Maybe I'm just a
stodgy old purist; but all this Cyclocross stuff makes me confused and could
really be leading us down a path of not really being a bicycle racing group.
Makes us more of a cross country, steeplechassing, mud slinging race
organization. Now that doesn't sound like bike racing to me.

For that reason, perhaps we should have a respectful and healthy debate on
whether to keep this schizophrenic athletic endeavor as part of OBRA or
create a wholly separate OCRA for these folks. As far as I know they don't
even do this kind of racing in the motherland: Europe.

best regards,

Rick Hammel

Alexander Clemens

Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic
things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response
were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought.
Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you
no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:53 AM, rick hammel wrote:

> Maybe I'm just naive or confused; but I'm not sure cyclocross is bike
> racing. Looks more like Cross Country running or Steeple Chase to me. It
> seems somewhat popular in Oregon so I hope I don't step on anyone's toes;
> but I think we need to consider whether it belongs or not.
>
> For me bike racing is being in the saddle and riding my bike, not carrying
> it like a duffle bag over a mini Steeple Chase barrier, how silly is that.
> I'm not saying it's not a sport all together, just not really bike racing.
> Running and hurdling is not bike racing, sorry, it isn't. Maybe I'm just a
> stodgy old purist; but all this Cyclocross stuff makes me confused and could
> really be leading us down a path of not really being a bicycle racing
> group. Makes us more of a cross country, steeplechassing, mud slinging
> race organization. Now that doesn't sound like bike racing to me.
>
> For that reason, perhaps we should have a respectful and healthy debate on
> whether to keep this schizophrenic athletic endeavor as part of OBRA or
> create a wholly separate OCRA for these folks. As far as I know they don't
> even do this kind of racing in the motherland: Europe.
>
> best regards,
> Rick Hammel
>
>
>
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rick hammel

Maybe I'm just naive or confused; but I'm not sure cyclocross is bike racing.  Looks more like Cross Country running or Steeple Chase to me.  It seems somewhat popular in Oregon so I hope I don't step on anyone's toes; but I think we need to consider whether it belongs or not. 

For me bike racing is being in the saddle and riding my bike, not carrying it like a duffle bag over a mini Steeple Chase barrier, how silly is that.  I'm not saying it's not a sport all together, just not really bike racing.  Running and hurdling is not bike racing, sorry, it isn't.  Maybe I'm just a stodgy old purist; but all this Cyclocross stuff makes me confused and could really be leading us down a path of not really being a bicycle racing group.   Makes us more of a cross country, steeplechassing, mud slinging race organization.  Now that doesn't sound like bike racing to me.

For that reason, perhaps we should have a respectful and healthy debate on whether to keep this schizophrenic athletic endeavor as part of OBRA or create a wholly separate OCRA for these folks.  As far as I know they don't even do this kind of racing in the motherland:  Europe.

best regards,
Rick Hammel