MIKE STOCKTON
Well Said!
> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 10:34:51 -0800
> From: rickcjohnson1@gmail.com
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Beer and Racing
>
> Despite my recent tongue in cheek comments I believe Mike Murray is
> entirely correct to be concerned about the direction we are going in
> regards to alcohol and racing. I think there is a clear line between
> having beer available to spectators, or participants /after/
> competition, and having same for participants /during/ competition. The
> whole issue of alcohols place in our society and policy relating to
> minors is a separate topic.
>
> I like beer as much as the next person (ok, maybe a bit more). I've also
> been involved in racing of one kind or another for many years. From 1988
> until 2004 I was involved with professional motorsports almost
> exclusively. I was a on track official or team member for a wide variety
> of organizations all over the world. One team even had a beer sponsor
> that provided us multiple kegs for our hospitality for every race event.
> And you know the number of times I had alcohol of any kind during the
> time I was performing my duties? Absolutely zero times. Not while on the
> track, not while working in the pits, not even while working on the
> machines at the end of the day. Only after the job was done and all the
> tools were put away was it time for a beer. I think the reasons for that
> should be obvious. I think those same reasons are still valid for
> bicycle racing.
>
> That's my perspective. I'd ask everyone to consider what the event is
> for. Are we there to race bikes or to drink? If the answer is the latter
> then all we really have is a high priced drinking game.
>
> Rick
>
> Rick Johnson
> Bend, Oregon
>
> "Those who cannot remember the past, are condemned to repeat it" - George Santayana
>
>
>
> Maximillian Kirchoff wrote:
>
> > Why not use the enforcement that would be necessary for a beer garden
> > sanctioned area and make that enforcement watching for the smaller
> > group of deviants. There are plenty of responsible adults who weren't
> > spraying people with beer, who would still like to enjoy a tall boy at
> > the races.
> >
> > Changing the general structure of how/when/where beer is consumed is
> > not going to stop the jerks from being jerks. That's like sitting in a
> > refrigerator when you have a fever. There should be steps taken to
> > penalize and expel anyone participating in unacceptable behavior.
> > That's what they do in sports and at bars. I'm not against conforming
> > to OLCC regulations and recommendations, however I believe the
> > structure of these events already falls into those. And while I can
> > understand a lack of staff to fulfill enforcement, remember that
> > creating a ban on beer or having sanctioned "beer garden" areas will
> > require the same, if not more, enforcement.
> >
> > And if this really does come down to a lack of person-power, there
> > seems to be a number of people who are chiming in now that would love
> > to watch out for fellow racers' and the juniors' safety.
> >
> >
> > ______________{ :)
> > Max Kirchoff
> > (503) 770-0629
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> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 9:15 AM, lisa graham > > wrote:
> >
> > Mike is right,minors did get beer over the weekend,and minors were
> > also sprayed with beer for not being in costume! Seriously,
> > spraying a JR rider with beer is stupid,if they are not already
> > very involved in racing do you think they would want to race
> > again? Not likely.
> > Lisa Graham
> > zombie cyclists
> > * h *
> > * p ** i *
> > * u l*
> > *Me after a long ride ^^ l *
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > From: mike.murray@obra.org
> >
> > To: obra@list.obra.org
> > Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 08:39:24 -0800
> > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Beer and Juniors
> >
> > This is incorrect. There have been episodes of minors trying to
> > get beer at races. I am sure some have been successful. The
> > events of last weekend showed that the presence of (supposedly)
> > responsible adults was not terribly protective against bad
> > behavior. Excessive enforcement may drive underage drinking
> > underground but having underage people obtain alcohol at races
> > puts the entire organization at risk. I am more concerned about
> > the possibility of legal problems than I am worried that some kids
> > might drink. In addition, the possibility of injury related to
> > alcohol use (drunk driving, riding, throwing of items at riders,
> > etc.) creates liability risk for the whole organization. Last
> > weekend was a sentinel event. We need to clean up the show.
> >
> >
> >
> > Mike Murray
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* obra-bounces@list.obra.org
> >
> > [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org
> > ] *On Behalf Of *Mike Kerkmann
> >
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 04, 2009 00:29 AM
> > *To:* obra@list.obra.org ; Randy Word
> > *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] Beer and Juniors
> >
> >
> >
> > I don't know what all the OLCC paranoia is all about. There are
> > enough responsible adults around that would self police these kind
> > of events (let alone fairs and other crap). How many junior cycle
> > racers show up without a parent/guardian figure and would bee line
> > it the keg if given a chance? Slimmm I think.
> >
> > Sorry if I am way off, but I think the over protective nature of
> > our gov is just pushing underage drinking underground without the
> > support and education that those who are more mature might offer.
> > And no, I am not condoning it, I do think that the enforcement is
> > excessive and creates a different set of problems.
> >
> > -Mike
> >
> > --- On *Tue, 11/3/09, Randy Word / > >/* wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Randy Word >
> > Subject: [OBRA Chat] Beer and Juniors
> > To: obra@list.obra.org
> > Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 9:59 PM
> >
> > Juniors and a ride through beer garden this Saturday? I'm sure
> > that along with beer cans thrown in the face, spitting, and
> > swearing will make every parent want to get their kids involved in
> > bike racing. Thank you to those who recognized the issue last
> > weekend and are putting a stop to it, but promoting and glorifying
> > alcohol along with bike races is part of the problem and it
> > certainly doesn't help with the goal of Junior development in the
> > sport. Beer parties are fine if that's your thing, but they
> > should be separate, not a glorified part of sanctioned races.
> > Randy
> >
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