trispoke@aol.com

My 8 speed did better in the mud. My 9sp Dura Ace packed up and got
chain suck badly (almost ripping of my rear derailleur) on Sunday.
-Ian

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On Nov 25, 2009, at 4:00 PM, Jake The Snake Salcone
wrote:

> Hypothesis: My year 2000 9 Speed Jake The Snake kept on shifting
> perfectly right up to the finish line last Sunday at Kruegers
> because the 9 spd cassette has wider spacing and clogs less easily
> with mud and grass.
>
> Anyone have conflicting/supporting data? The 'ol Snake was shifting
> like a champ while others were cussing and swearing! Is 9 Spd
> better? Do I, Jake the Snake Salcone, perform outstanding drive-
> train tuning? Was I protected against technical failure by the
> mystical squeaking cow I have strapped to my handlebars? I wonder
> who should I thank on this day of Thanksgiving...
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Ron and Dorothy Strasser

I run 9 speed without a problem... of course single speed would cure all
those shifting problems right? I have it from a professional racer that 10
speed works fine as well, but the chains wear out earlier, thus need
replacement more often. I have no scientific data, but it seems to me there
are more "broken" 10 speed chains.
I say stick with whatever works for you, but expect the big component makers
to only offer the lower end 8 and 9 speed (10 as well for Campy?) stuff as
time goes on. This is how they "urge" the consumer into finally going to 10
and 11 speed or whatever is the latest thing.
Hey! I use bar end shifters and they work fine for me... I do not need to
pay 2-4 hundred dollars for those fancy brake/shifter combo gizmos and they
are lighter. Anyone who thinks they cannot take their hands off the bars to
shift, needs think about how all those riders before them managed to ride
and race. I don't finish at the back of the pack because of my componentry
nor does Erik using 8 speed. Yes. Be thankful for 8 and 9 speed riders!
ron
----- Original Message -----
From: "Erik Voldengen"
To:
Cc: ; ; "Jake The Snake
Salcone"
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] 9 spd better for mud and grass? Data needed

> You can buy the cassettes. And I run campy 10spd shifters with them.
> Works great.
>
> On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 6:02 PM, wrote:
>> 8 spd is king. You can dump pea gravel in the cassette and it doesn't
>> care! Never been stopped by grass, mud, small children, or the random
>> squirrel with 8 spd. Campy a step up from shimano.
>>
>> Can you buy 8 spd anymore?
>>
>> Chad
>> ------Original Message------
>> From: Jake The Snake Salcone
>> Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>> Subject: [OBRA Chat] 9 spd better for mud and grass? Data needed
>> Sent: Nov 25, 2009 4:00 PM
>>
>> Hypothesis: My year 2000 9 Speed Jake The Snake kept on shifting
>> perfectly right up to the finish line last Sunday at Kruegers because the
>> 9 spd cassette has wider spacing and clogs less easily with mud and
>> grass.
>>
>> Anyone have conflicting/supporting data? The 'ol Snake was shifting like
>> a champ while others were cussing and swearing! Is 9 Spd better? Do I,
>> Jake the Snake Salcone, perform outstanding drive-train tuning? Was I
>> protected against technical failure by the mystical squeaking cow I have
>> strapped to my handlebars? I wonder who should I thank on this day of
>> Thanksgiving...
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Erik Voldengen

You can buy the cassettes. And I run campy 10spd shifters with them.
Works great.

On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 6:02 PM, wrote:
> 8 spd is king. You can dump pea gravel in the cassette and it doesn't care!  Never been stopped by grass, mud, small children, or the random squirrel with 8 spd. Campy a step up from shimano.
>
> Can you buy 8 spd anymore?
>
> Chad
> ------Original Message------
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> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] 9 spd better for mud and grass?  Data needed
> Sent: Nov 25, 2009 4:00 PM
>
> Hypothesis:  My year 2000 9 Speed Jake The Snake kept on shifting perfectly right up to the finish line last Sunday at Kruegers because the 9 spd cassette has wider spacing and clogs less easily with mud and grass.
>
> Anyone have conflicting/supporting data?  The 'ol Snake was shifting like a champ while others were cussing and swearing!  Is 9 Spd better? Do I, Jake the Snake Salcone, perform outstanding drive-train tuning?  Was I protected against technical failure by the mystical squeaking cow I have strapped to my handlebars? I wonder who should I thank on this day of Thanksgiving...
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wheelyyy@aol.com

8 spd is king. You can dump pea gravel in the cassette and it doesn't care! Never been stopped by grass, mud, small children, or the random squirrel with 8 spd. Campy a step up from shimano.

Can you buy 8 spd anymore?

Chad
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Subject: [OBRA Chat] 9 spd better for mud and grass? Data needed
Sent: Nov 25, 2009 4:00 PM

Hypothesis: My year 2000 9 Speed Jake The Snake kept on shifting perfectly right up to the finish line last Sunday at Kruegers because the 9 spd cassette has wider spacing and clogs less easily with mud and grass.

Anyone have conflicting/supporting data? The 'ol Snake was shifting like a champ while others were cussing and swearing! Is 9 Spd better? Do I, Jake the Snake Salcone, perform outstanding drive-train tuning? Was I protected against technical failure by the mystical squeaking cow I have strapped to my handlebars? I wonder who should I thank on this day of Thanksgiving...
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Debra Windus

In hindsight, I would have finished the race in better position (not DNF) if I would have just shouldered the bike and hiked the course.  The mud was cement.  I have no idea how others kept the wheels turning.  Sorry, but I prefer a dry kermesse any day!  Oh, gotta go spend an hour or so deep cleaning the Gunnar and trying to get the clay off my white handlebar tape.   LOL!!!

--- On Wed, 11/25/09, Jake The Snake Salcone wrote:

From: Jake The Snake Salcone
Subject: [OBRA Chat] 9 spd better for mud and grass? Data needed
To: obra@list.obra.org
Date: Wednesday, November 25, 2009, 4:00 PM

Hypothesis:  My year 2000 9 Speed Jake The Snake kept on shifting perfectly right up to the finish line last Sunday at Kruegers because the 9 spd cassette has wider spacing and clogs less easily with mud and grass.

Anyone have conflicting/supporting data?  The 'ol Snake was shifting like a champ while others were cussing and swearing!  Is 9 Spd better? Do I, Jake the Snake Salcone, perform outstanding drive-train tuning?  Was I protected against technical failure by the mystical squeaking cow I have strapped to my handlebars? I wonder who should I thank on this day of Thanksgiving...
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eric aldinger

10 speed is a gimmick IMHO, but I have not had horrid issues with the mud.
The sand maybe, but not the mud.

On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Erik Voldengen wrote:

> I ride 8 speed for this reason. On purpose!
>
> -Erik
>
> On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Jake The Snake Salcone
> wrote:
> > Hypothesis: My year 2000 9 Speed Jake The Snake kept on shifting
> perfectly right up to the finish line last Sunday at Kruegers because the 9
> spd cassette has wider spacing and clogs less easily with mud and grass.
> >
> > Anyone have conflicting/supporting data? The 'ol Snake was shifting like
> a champ while others were cussing and swearing! Is 9 Spd better? Do I, Jake
> the Snake Salcone, perform outstanding drive-train tuning? Was I protected
> against technical failure by the mystical squeaking cow I have strapped to
> my handlebars? I wonder who should I thank on this day of Thanksgiving...
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Erik Voldengen

I ride 8 speed for this reason. On purpose!

-Erik

On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Jake The Snake Salcone
wrote:
> Hypothesis:  My year 2000 9 Speed Jake The Snake kept on shifting perfectly right up to the finish line last Sunday at Kruegers because the 9 spd cassette has wider spacing and clogs less easily with mud and grass.
>
> Anyone have conflicting/supporting data?  The 'ol Snake was shifting like a champ while others were cussing and swearing!  Is 9 Spd better? Do I, Jake the Snake Salcone, perform outstanding drive-train tuning?  Was I protected against technical failure by the mystical squeaking cow I have strapped to my handlebars? I wonder who should I thank on this day of Thanksgiving...
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halfwheelhill@yahoo.com

I think you got lucky. There is very little spacing difference between 9 and 10 spd cassettes.

Scott
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Subject: [OBRA Chat] 9 spd better for mud and grass? Data needed
Sent: Nov 25, 2009 4:00 PM

Hypothesis: My year 2000 9 Speed Jake The Snake kept on shifting perfectly right up to the finish line last Sunday at Kruegers because the 9 spd cassette has wider spacing and clogs less easily with mud and grass.

Anyone have conflicting/supporting data? The 'ol Snake was shifting like a champ while others were cussing and swearing! Is 9 Spd better? Do I, Jake the Snake Salcone, perform outstanding drive-train tuning? Was I protected against technical failure by the mystical squeaking cow I have strapped to my handlebars? I wonder who should I thank on this day of Thanksgiving...
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Hypothesis: My year 2000 9 Speed Jake The Snake kept on shifting perfectly right up to the finish line last Sunday at Kruegers because the 9 spd cassette has wider spacing and clogs less easily with mud and grass.

Anyone have conflicting/supporting data? The 'ol Snake was shifting like a champ while others were cussing and swearing! Is 9 Spd better? Do I, Jake the Snake Salcone, perform outstanding drive-train tuning? Was I protected against technical failure by the mystical squeaking cow I have strapped to my handlebars? I wonder who should I thank on this day of Thanksgiving...