USGP Race Numbers

Chipp

2009-12-02

FINALLY,some closure! My fee schedule for questions will be posted AFTER
12am,midnight on Fri before the race.$.As far as wearing said chip/chipp
that's totally gender dependent.$.You can be assured $ that as a Virgo I
will make/keep you on time$$.Also please bring as many urine samples as
possible for the usgp, NOT OBRA, officials,using the "I am Spartacus"
method.-$.Remember Sat. at 11,unless that changes.$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
(Ron you wass-cuh-we wabbit)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron and Dorothy Strasser"
To: "john mitchem" ;
Cc: ;
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USGP Race Numbers

>I think the final authority should be the creator of the great Clyde at
> Alpenrose and the Uni at Rainier... Mr. Chipp Ross!
> We await your directive Chipp.
> ron
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "john mitchem"
> To:
> Cc: ;
> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 4:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USGP Race Numbers
>
>
>>I really don't like to, or what to, wear a chip. I don't know anyone that
>>races around me that wants one either. I have never seen a result, or any
>>chip data.
>> How about no deposit, no wear chippy chip?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 1, 2009, at 3:45 PM, halfwheelhill@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>> In all the races I have ever done with a chip there has never been a
>>> deposit required. They usually take your racing license. It seems like
>>> a
>>> liability nightmare if they take a CC impression.
>>>
>>> Scott
>>> ------Original Message------
>>> From: Mike Murray
>>> Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
>>> To: Erik Voldengen
>>> To: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
>>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>>> ReplyTo: mike.murray@obra.org
>>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USGP Race Numbers
>>> Sent: Dec 1, 2009 3:41 PM
>>>
>>> They lost a bunch of $ due to unreturned chips.
>>>
>>> ------Original Message------
>>> From: Erik Voldengen
>>> Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
>>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USGP Race Numbers
>>> Sent: Dec 1, 2009 15:22
>>>
>>> That's interesting that someone would expect a racer to put a deposit
>>> down on that. I don't remember doing that when the Cross Crusade
>>> races experimented with them.
>>>
>>> -Erik
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Mike Murray
>>> wrote:
>>>> They AMB chips cost $80-100 each so I would expect the deposit to be
>>>> substantial. It will be interesting to see if they can work the system
>>>> well enough to get results from them. This hardware works well but
>>>> there is often a glitch in setting up the process which negates any
>>>> benefit.
>>>>
>>>> ------Original Message------
>>>> From: Candi Murray
>>>> Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
>>>> To: rondot@spiritone.com
>>>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USGP Race Numbers
>>>> Sent: Dec 1, 2009 13:21
>>>>
>>>> They have not told us. Andy is trying to pin it down. I would think
>>>> that they would request a credit card impression.
>>>> Candi
>>>>
>>>>
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Ron and Dorothy Strasser

2009-12-02

I think the final authority should be the creator of the great Clyde at
Alpenrose and the Uni at Rainier... Mr. Chipp Ross!
We await your directive Chipp.
ron
----- Original Message -----
From: "john mitchem"
To:
Cc: ;
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USGP Race Numbers

>I really don't like to, or what to, wear a chip. I don't know anyone that
>races around me that wants one either. I have never seen a result, or any
>chip data.
> How about no deposit, no wear chippy chip?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 1, 2009, at 3:45 PM, halfwheelhill@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> In all the races I have ever done with a chip there has never been a
>> deposit required. They usually take your racing license. It seems like a
>> liability nightmare if they take a CC impression.
>>
>> Scott
>> ------Original Message------
>> From: Mike Murray
>> Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
>> To: Erik Voldengen
>> To: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>> ReplyTo: mike.murray@obra.org
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USGP Race Numbers
>> Sent: Dec 1, 2009 3:41 PM
>>
>> They lost a bunch of $ due to unreturned chips.
>>
>> ------Original Message------
>> From: Erik Voldengen
>> Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USGP Race Numbers
>> Sent: Dec 1, 2009 15:22
>>
>> That's interesting that someone would expect a racer to put a deposit
>> down on that. I don't remember doing that when the Cross Crusade
>> races experimented with them.
>>
>> -Erik
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Mike Murray
>> wrote:
>>> They AMB chips cost $80-100 each so I would expect the deposit to be
>>> substantial. It will be interesting to see if they can work the system
>>> well enough to get results from them. This hardware works well but
>>> there is often a glitch in setting up the process which negates any
>>> benefit.
>>>
>>> ------Original Message------
>>> From: Candi Murray
>>> Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
>>> To: rondot@spiritone.com
>>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USGP Race Numbers
>>> Sent: Dec 1, 2009 13:21
>>>
>>> They have not told us. Andy is trying to pin it down. I would think
>>> that they would request a credit card impression.
>>> Candi
>>>
>>>
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Okay, so now that we've talked about the chips, my questions...

(1) Do we keep the chip for Saturday & Sunday? Or is it returned after each day?

(2) Do you need a different chip for EACH category you race in one day or both days? Especially if my number will change each day.


Mike Murray

2009-12-01

These chips are an attractive solution. They are passive chips so they are much cheaper than active chips (AMB et.al.). Essentially they are disposable. Problem is they need an overhead structure. I believe they also have a too narrow maximum finish line width for most races.

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-----Original Message-----
From: biketroy@comcast.net
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 04:51:35
To: mike murray
Cc: Shane Y. Gibson; ;
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USGP Race Numbers

I raced in Louisville and the chips there were just taped to your helmet, you used the same chip both day with a different number scaned to that new number. It's as thin as paper. No charge, no returning them

Hope this helps,

Troy

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Murray"
To: "Shane Y. Gibson" , obra-bounces@list.obra.org, obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2009 10:46:15 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USGP Race Numbers

We currently get lap times for every rider but we do not routinely publish them because it would take more effort for the officials and there has not been a demand for it. Chips would not change this at all.

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-----Original Message-----
From: "Shane Y. Gibson"
Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:52:49
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USGP Race Numbers

Personally - I"m excited to see the use of Chips grow in Cyclocross
races.  I'm no where near competitive in my results, but I am
competitive with myself.  Chips give you the ability to see your split
times on laps.   Theres even the possibility to have "prizes" or
bragging awards for fastest run-up times, or fastest lap, or ... any
number of interesting possibilities with multiple timing stations.

I suspect the biggest peeps against chips are hard core sand baggers.
If everyone gets chip timed, we'll see in black and white who the sand
baggers are.   Just my 2cents worth.

--Shane

john mitchem wrote:
> I really don't like to, or what to, wear a chip. I don't know anyone
> that races around me that wants one either. I have never seen a
> result, or any chip data.
> How about no deposit, no wear chippy chip?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 1, 2009, at 3:45 PM, halfwheelhill@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> In all the races I have ever done with a chip there has never been a
>> deposit required. They usually take your racing license. It seems
>> like a liability nightmare if they take a CC impression.
>>
>> Scott
>> ------Original Message------
>> From: Mike Murray
>> Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
>> To: Erik Voldengen
>> To: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>> ReplyTo: mike.murray@obra.org
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USGP Race Numbers
>> Sent: Dec 1, 2009 3:41 PM
>>
>> They lost a bunch of $ due to unreturned chips.
>>
>> ------Original Message------
>> From: Erik Voldengen
>> Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USGP Race Numbers
>> Sent: Dec 1, 2009 15:22
>>
>> That's interesting that someone would expect a racer to put a deposit
>> down on that.  I don't remember doing that when the Cross Crusade
>> races experimented with them.
>>
>> -Erik
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Mike Murray
>> wrote:
>>> They AMB chips cost $80-100 each so I would expect the deposit to be
>>> substantial. It will be interesting to see if they can work the
>>> system well enough to get results from them. This hardware works
>>> well but there is often a glitch in setting up the process which
>>> negates any benefit.
>>>
>>> ------Original Message------
>>> From: Candi Murray
>>> Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
>>> To: rondot@spiritone.com
>>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USGP Race Numbers
>>> Sent: Dec 1, 2009 13:21
>>>
>>> They have not told us. Andy is trying to pin it down. I would think
>>> that they would request a credit card impression.
>>> Candi
>>>
>>>
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biketroy@comcast.net

2009-12-01

I raced in Louisville and the chips there were just taped to your helmet, you used the same chip both day with a different number scaned to that new number. It's as thin as paper. No charge, no returning them

Hope this helps,

Troy

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Murray"
To: "Shane Y. Gibson" , obra-bounces@list.obra.org, obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2009 10:46:15 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USGP Race Numbers

We currently get lap times for every rider but we do not routinely publish them because it would take more effort for the officials and there has not been a demand for it. Chips would not change this at all.

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-----Original Message-----
From: "Shane Y. Gibson"
Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:52:49
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USGP Race Numbers

Personally - I"m excited to see the use of Chips grow in Cyclocross
races.  I'm no where near competitive in my results, but I am
competitive with myself.  Chips give you the ability to see your split
times on laps.   Theres even the possibility to have "prizes" or
bragging awards for fastest run-up times, or fastest lap, or ... any
number of interesting possibilities with multiple timing stations.

I suspect the biggest peeps against chips are hard core sand baggers.
If everyone gets chip timed, we'll see in black and white who the sand
baggers are.   Just my 2cents worth.

--Shane

john mitchem wrote:
> I really don't like to, or what to, wear a chip. I don't know anyone
> that races around me that wants one either. I have never seen a
> result, or any chip data.
> How about no deposit, no wear chippy chip?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 1, 2009, at 3:45 PM, halfwheelhill@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> In all the races I have ever done with a chip there has never been a
>> deposit required. They usually take your racing license. It seems
>> like a liability nightmare if they take a CC impression.
>>
>> Scott
>> ------Original Message------
>> From: Mike Murray
>> Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
>> To: Erik Voldengen
>> To: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>> ReplyTo: mike.murray@obra.org
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USGP Race Numbers
>> Sent: Dec 1, 2009 3:41 PM
>>
>> They lost a bunch of $ due to unreturned chips.
>>
>> ------Original Message------
>> From: Erik Voldengen
>> Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USGP Race Numbers
>> Sent: Dec 1, 2009 15:22
>>
>> That's interesting that someone would expect a racer to put a deposit
>> down on that.  I don't remember doing that when the Cross Crusade
>> races experimented with them.
>>
>> -Erik
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Mike Murray
>> wrote:
>>> They AMB chips cost $80-100 each so I would expect the deposit to be
>>> substantial. It will be interesting to see if they can work the
>>> system well enough to get results from them. This hardware works
>>> well but there is often a glitch in setting up the process which
>>> negates any benefit.
>>>
>>> ------Original Message------
>>> From: Candi Murray
>>> Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
>>> To: rondot@spiritone.com
>>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USGP Race Numbers
>>> Sent: Dec 1, 2009 13:21
>>>
>>> They have not told us. Andy is trying to pin it down. I would think
>>> that they would request a credit card impression.
>>> Candi
>>>
>>>
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Mike Murray

2009-12-01

We currently get lap times for every rider but we do not routinely publish them because it would take more effort for the officials and there has not been a demand for it. Chips would not change this at all.

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-----Original Message-----
From: "Shane Y. Gibson"
Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:52:49
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USGP Race Numbers

Personally - I"m excited to see the use of Chips grow in Cyclocross
races. I'm no where near competitive in my results, but I am
competitive with myself. Chips give you the ability to see your split
times on laps. Theres even the possibility to have "prizes" or
bragging awards for fastest run-up times, or fastest lap, or ... any
number of interesting possibilities with multiple timing stations.

I suspect the biggest peeps against chips are hard core sand baggers.
If everyone gets chip timed, we'll see in black and white who the sand
baggers are. Just my 2cents worth.

--Shane

john mitchem wrote:
> I really don't like to, or what to, wear a chip. I don't know anyone
> that races around me that wants one either. I have never seen a
> result, or any chip data.
> How about no deposit, no wear chippy chip?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 1, 2009, at 3:45 PM, halfwheelhill@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> In all the races I have ever done with a chip there has never been a
>> deposit required. They usually take your racing license. It seems
>> like a liability nightmare if they take a CC impression.
>>
>> Scott
>> ------Original Message------
>> From: Mike Murray
>> Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
>> To: Erik Voldengen
>> To: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>> ReplyTo: mike.murray@obra.org
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USGP Race Numbers
>> Sent: Dec 1, 2009 3:41 PM
>>
>> They lost a bunch of $ due to unreturned chips.
>>
>> ------Original Message------
>> From: Erik Voldengen
>> Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USGP Race Numbers
>> Sent: Dec 1, 2009 15:22
>>
>> That's interesting that someone would expect a racer to put a deposit
>> down on that. I don't remember doing that when the Cross Crusade
>> races experimented with them.
>>
>> -Erik
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Mike Murray
>> wrote:
>>> They AMB chips cost $80-100 each so I would expect the deposit to be
>>> substantial. It will be interesting to see if they can work the
>>> system well enough to get results from them. This hardware works
>>> well but there is often a glitch in setting up the process which
>>> negates any benefit.
>>>
>>> ------Original Message------
>>> From: Candi Murray
>>> Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
>>> To: rondot@spiritone.com
>>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USGP Race Numbers
>>> Sent: Dec 1, 2009 13:21
>>>
>>> They have not told us. Andy is trying to pin it down. I would think
>>> that they would request a credit card impression.
>>> Candi
>>>
>>>
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david baker

2009-12-01

I've always kept them. There's no deposit so why return them. They are good
for strapping Tomato plants to stakes, organizing wires behind tv's,
securing insulation to pipes under the house, etc.
Or sell them on Ebay as cat collars and tell people they are transmitters
to find your cat if they are lost.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Candi Murray"
To: ;
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USGP Race Numbers

>
>
> Brad and the Crusade got dinged for thousands of dollars in lost chips
> that year. I think the number was close to $5000
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Ron and Dorothy Strasser" [rondot@spiritone.com]
> Date: 12/01/2009 07:03 PM
> To: "Erik Voldengen" , obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USGP Race Numbers
>
> There was no deposit when Crusade used them a few years ago and it seemed
> to
> me that the "chip company" or the "promoter" stepped up to be responsible
> for "their equipment" at Barlow as well. There was a person just past the
> finish area getting the chips from each rider. Just my experience thus
> far.
> I am flexible on this chip thing, but I do think it is the right thing for
> people to know about this type of "add on" ahead of time (like when
> pre-reg.
> or) on the USGP site. To be fair, maybe we are the chip guinea pigs for
> the
> USGP this season.
> ron
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Erik Voldengen"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 3:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USGP Race Numbers
>
>
>> That's interesting that someone would expect a racer to put a deposit
>> down on that. I don't remember doing that when the Cross Crusade
>> races experimented with them.
>>
>> -Erik
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Mike Murray wrote:
>>> They AMB chips cost $80-100 each so I would expect the deposit to be
>>> substantial. It will be interesting to see if they can work the system
>>> well enough to get results from them. This hardware works well but there
>>> is often a glitch in setting up the process which negates any benefit.
>>>
>>> ------Original Message------
>>> From: Candi Murray
>>> Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
>>> To: rondot@spiritone.com
>>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USGP Race Numbers
>>> Sent: Dec 1, 2009 13:21
>>>
>>> They have not told us. Andy is trying to pin it down. I would think that
>>> they would request a credit card impression.
>>> Candi
>>>
>>>
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Shane Y. Gibson

2009-12-01

Personally - I"m excited to see the use of Chips grow in Cyclocross
races. I'm no where near competitive in my results, but I am
competitive with myself. Chips give you the ability to see your split
times on laps. Theres even the possibility to have "prizes" or
bragging awards for fastest run-up times, or fastest lap, or ... any
number of interesting possibilities with multiple timing stations.

I suspect the biggest peeps against chips are hard core sand baggers.
If everyone gets chip timed, we'll see in black and white who the sand
baggers are. Just my 2cents worth.

--Shane

john mitchem wrote:
> I really don't like to, or what to, wear a chip. I don't know anyone
> that races around me that wants one either. I have never seen a
> result, or any chip data.
> How about no deposit, no wear chippy chip?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 1, 2009, at 3:45 PM, halfwheelhill@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> In all the races I have ever done with a chip there has never been a
>> deposit required. They usually take your racing license. It seems
>> like a liability nightmare if they take a CC impression.
>>
>> Scott
>> ------Original Message------
>> From: Mike Murray
>> Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
>> To: Erik Voldengen
>> To: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>> ReplyTo: mike.murray@obra.org
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USGP Race Numbers
>> Sent: Dec 1, 2009 3:41 PM
>>
>> They lost a bunch of $ due to unreturned chips.
>>
>> ------Original Message------
>> From: Erik Voldengen
>> Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USGP Race Numbers
>> Sent: Dec 1, 2009 15:22
>>
>> That's interesting that someone would expect a racer to put a deposit
>> down on that. I don't remember doing that when the Cross Crusade
>> races experimented with them.
>>
>> -Erik
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Mike Murray
>> wrote:
>>> They AMB chips cost $80-100 each so I would expect the deposit to be
>>> substantial. It will be interesting to see if they can work the
>>> system well enough to get results from them. This hardware works
>>> well but there is often a glitch in setting up the process which
>>> negates any benefit.
>>>
>>> ------Original Message------
>>> From: Candi Murray
>>> Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
>>> To: rondot@spiritone.com
>>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USGP Race Numbers
>>> Sent: Dec 1, 2009 13:21
>>>
>>> They have not told us. Andy is trying to pin it down. I would think
>>> that they would request a credit card impression.
>>> Candi
>>>
>>>
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johnfforbes@comcast.net

2009-12-01

As well, you must keep Brad Ross informed of your whereabouts at all times.
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-----Original Message-----
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Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:16:21
To:
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Brent Chapman

2009-12-01

yep, we utilized Milliseconds at Crossaflixion 1 &2 . I was very skeptical
at first, but once the system was up it was very accurate and we did not
seem to be plagued with any of the old issues that have haunted mtb, road
and cross races of the past. (only issue we found was our PA system
interfered with the reader and moving the speakers solved the problem.)
Worked good even in the freezing temps.
I will be totally fine with using those guys again in the future even at a
greater scale than our little race had.

We accounted for the whole lot and most of that is because we had a chip
collector at the finish line. (only 2 people squeaked by, but were hunted
down later- )

By the way, the milliseconds chip is linked to your registration profile
(contains your address and license info). So even if someone bailed with the
chip, we would know who it was so you don't need a blood sample or credit
card to find you.

Additionally, there is more than one chip technology out there so there is
more variety for lower cost (even disposable) chips.

-bc

On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 5:02 PM, Leibowitz, Flo
wrote:

>
>
> The Crossaflixion race in Bend on Nov 28 used chips and there was no
> charge above the regular registration. Bless you, organizers !
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike Murray
> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 4:46 PM
> To: Ron and Dorothy Strasser; obra-bounces@list.obra.org; Erik
> Voldengen; obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USGP Race Numbers
>
> The Cross Crusade people ate the cost of the lost chips, not the company
> that owned the chips, Athlete's Lounge. The company that provided the
> chips at Barlow did this as an attempt to sell OBRA their system.
>
> I have done a lot of research on the chips issue. I think that some
> systems are close to workable for OBRA but currently all of them that I
> have looked at have some flaw that kills the deal.
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Ron and Dorothy Strasser
> Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
> To: Erik Voldengen
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USGP Race Numbers
> Sent: Dec 1, 2009 16:03
>
> There was no deposit when Crusade used them a few years ago and it
> seemed to
> me that the "chip company" or the "promoter" stepped up to be
> responsible
> for "their equipment" at Barlow as well. There was a person just past
> the
> finish area getting the chips from each rider. Just my experience thus
> far.
> I am flexible on this chip thing, but I do think it is the right thing
> for
> people to know about this type of "add on" ahead of time (like when
> pre-reg.
> or) on the USGP site. To be fair, maybe we are the chip guinea pigs for
> the
> USGP this season.
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Rick Johnson

2009-12-01


USA Cycling Announces Chip Timing Policies for
USGP

Colorado Springs, Colorado



In a bold move to thwart the thriving black market of stolen timing
chips USA Cycling announced a cooperative agreement with the UCI
implementing strict new deposit requirements. Instead of requiring
traditional monetary deposits USA Cycling will now require two blood
samples be taken at the event - each of which will be associated with
the timing chip number. After the event any chips not returned will
result in the blood samples being immediately sent to France's national
drug-testing lab at Chatenay-Malabry. All test results will then be
published by L'Equipe.

A UCI spokesperson call the unique collaboration a show of worldwide
unity against the threat posed to cycling's image over timing chip
theft. "Too many people already believe cycling to be rife with doping
cheats, we must not allow them to further believe our ranks are full of
thieves. We intend these measures to be taken most seriously by all
competitors, regardless of age or national standing. It sends a clear
message that we stand firmly against both cheating and stealing."

The new regulations will take effect at the upcoming USGP event in
Portland, Oregon, December 5th & 6th ahead of the National
Championships held the following weekend in Bend, Oregon.



Mike Murray wrote:

They lost a bunch of $ due to unreturned chips. 

------Original Message------
From: Erik Voldengen
Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USGP Race Numbers
Sent: Dec 1, 2009 15:22

That's interesting that someone would expect a racer to put a deposit
down on that. I don't remember doing that when the Cross Crusade
races experimented with them.

-Erik

On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Mike Murray <mike.murray@obra.org> wrote:



They AMB chips cost $80-100 each so I would expect the deposit to be substantial. It will be interesting to see if they can work the system well enough to get results from them. This hardware works well but there is often a glitch in setting up the process which negates any benefit.

------Original Message------
From: Candi Murray
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To: rondot@spiritone.com
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USGP Race Numbers
Sent: Dec 1, 2009 13:21

They have not told us. Andy is trying to pin it down. I would think that they would request a credit card impression.
Candi



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Leibowitz, Flo

2009-12-01

The Crossaflixion race in Bend on Nov 28 used chips and there was no
charge above the regular registration. Bless you, organizers !

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Murray
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 4:46 PM
To: Ron and Dorothy Strasser; obra-bounces@list.obra.org; Erik
Voldengen; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USGP Race Numbers

The Cross Crusade people ate the cost of the lost chips, not the company
that owned the chips, Athlete's Lounge. The company that provided the
chips at Barlow did this as an attempt to sell OBRA their system.

I have done a lot of research on the chips issue. I think that some
systems are close to workable for OBRA but currently all of them that I
have looked at have some flaw that kills the deal.

------Original Message------
From: Ron and Dorothy Strasser
Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
To: Erik Voldengen
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USGP Race Numbers
Sent: Dec 1, 2009 16:03

There was no deposit when Crusade used them a few years ago and it
seemed to
me that the "chip company" or the "promoter" stepped up to be
responsible
for "their equipment" at Barlow as well. There was a person just past
the
finish area getting the chips from each rider. Just my experience thus
far.
I am flexible on this chip thing, but I do think it is the right thing
for
people to know about this type of "add on" ahead of time (like when
pre-reg.
or) on the USGP site. To be fair, maybe we are the chip guinea pigs for
the
USGP this season.
ron


john mitchem

2009-12-01

I really don't like to, or what to, wear a chip. I don't know anyone
that races around me that wants one either. I have never seen a
result, or any chip data.
How about no deposit, no wear chippy chip?

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 1, 2009, at 3:45 PM, halfwheelhill@yahoo.com wrote:

> In all the races I have ever done with a chip there has never been a
> deposit required. They usually take your racing license. It seems
> like a liability nightmare if they take a CC impression.
>
> Scott
> ------Original Message------
> From: Mike Murray
> Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
> To: Erik Voldengen
> To: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> ReplyTo: mike.murray@obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USGP Race Numbers
> Sent: Dec 1, 2009 3:41 PM
>
> They lost a bunch of $ due to unreturned chips.
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Erik Voldengen
> Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USGP Race Numbers
> Sent: Dec 1, 2009 15:22
>
> That's interesting that someone would expect a racer to put a deposit
> down on that. I don't remember doing that when the Cross Crusade
> races experimented with them.
>
> -Erik
>
> On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Mike Murray
> wrote:
>> They AMB chips cost $80-100 each so I would expect the deposit to
>> be substantial. It will be interesting to see if they can work the
>> system well enough to get results from them. This hardware works
>> well but there is often a glitch in setting up the process which
>> negates any benefit.
>>
>> ------Original Message------
>> From: Candi Murray
>> Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
>> To: rondot@spiritone.com
>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USGP Race Numbers
>> Sent: Dec 1, 2009 13:21
>>
>> They have not told us. Andy is trying to pin it down. I would think
>> that they would request a credit card impression.
>> Candi
>>
>>
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Mike Murray

2009-12-01

The Cross Crusade people ate the cost of the lost chips, not the company that owned the chips, Athlete's Lounge. The company that provided the chips at Barlow did this as an attempt to sell OBRA their system.

I have done a lot of research on the chips issue. I think that some systems are close to workable for OBRA but currently all of them that I have looked at have some flaw that kills the deal.
------Original Message------
From: Ron and Dorothy Strasser
Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
To: Erik Voldengen
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USGP Race Numbers
Sent: Dec 1, 2009 16:03

There was no deposit when Crusade used them a few years ago and it seemed to
me that the "chip company" or the "promoter" stepped up to be responsible
for "their equipment" at Barlow as well. There was a person just past the
finish area getting the chips from each rider. Just my experience thus far.
I am flexible on this chip thing, but I do think it is the right thing for
people to know about this type of "add on" ahead of time (like when pre-reg.
or) on the USGP site. To be fair, maybe we are the chip guinea pigs for the
USGP this season.
ron
----- Original Message -----
From: "Erik Voldengen"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USGP Race Numbers

> That's interesting that someone would expect a racer to put a deposit
> down on that. I don't remember doing that when the Cross Crusade
> races experimented with them.
>
> -Erik
>
> On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Mike Murray wrote:
>> They AMB chips cost $80-100 each so I would expect the deposit to be
>> substantial. It will be interesting to see if they can work the system
>> well enough to get results from them. This hardware works well but there
>> is often a glitch in setting up the process which negates any benefit.
>>
>> ------Original Message------
>> From: Candi Murray
>> Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
>> To: rondot@spiritone.com
>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USGP Race Numbers
>> Sent: Dec 1, 2009 13:21
>>
>> They have not told us. Andy is trying to pin it down. I would think that
>> they would request a credit card impression.
>> Candi
>>
>>
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Candi Murray

2009-12-01

Brad and the Crusade got dinged for thousands of dollars in lost chips that year. I think the number was close to $5000

-----Original Message-----
From: "Ron and Dorothy Strasser" [rondot@spiritone.com]
Date: 12/01/2009 07:03 PM
To: "Erik Voldengen" , obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USGP Race Numbers

There was no deposit when Crusade used them a few years ago and it seemed to
me that the "chip company" or the "promoter" stepped up to be responsible
for "their equipment" at Barlow as well. There was a person just past the
finish area getting the chips from each rider. Just my experience thus far.
I am flexible on this chip thing, but I do think it is the right thing for
people to know about this type of "add on" ahead of time (like when pre-reg.
or) on the USGP site. To be fair, maybe we are the chip guinea pigs for the
USGP this season.
ron
----- Original Message -----
From: "Erik Voldengen"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USGP Race Numbers

> That's interesting that someone would expect a racer to put a deposit
> down on that. I don't remember doing that when the Cross Crusade
> races experimented with them.
>
> -Erik
>
> On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Mike Murray wrote:
>> They AMB chips cost $80-100 each so I would expect the deposit to be
>> substantial. It will be interesting to see if they can work the system
>> well enough to get results from them. This hardware works well but there
>> is often a glitch in setting up the process which negates any benefit.
>>
>> ------Original Message------
>> From: Candi Murray
>> Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
>> To: rondot@spiritone.com
>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USGP Race Numbers
>> Sent: Dec 1, 2009 13:21
>>
>> They have not told us. Andy is trying to pin it down. I would think that
>> they would request a credit card impression.
>> Candi
>>
>>
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Ron and Dorothy Strasser

2009-12-01

There was no deposit when Crusade used them a few years ago and it seemed to
me that the "chip company" or the "promoter" stepped up to be responsible
for "their equipment" at Barlow as well. There was a person just past the
finish area getting the chips from each rider. Just my experience thus far.
I am flexible on this chip thing, but I do think it is the right thing for
people to know about this type of "add on" ahead of time (like when pre-reg.
or) on the USGP site. To be fair, maybe we are the chip guinea pigs for the
USGP this season.
ron
----- Original Message -----
From: "Erik Voldengen"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USGP Race Numbers

> That's interesting that someone would expect a racer to put a deposit
> down on that. I don't remember doing that when the Cross Crusade
> races experimented with them.
>
> -Erik
>
> On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Mike Murray wrote:
>> They AMB chips cost $80-100 each so I would expect the deposit to be
>> substantial. It will be interesting to see if they can work the system
>> well enough to get results from them. This hardware works well but there
>> is often a glitch in setting up the process which negates any benefit.
>>
>> ------Original Message------
>> From: Candi Murray
>> Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
>> To: rondot@spiritone.com
>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USGP Race Numbers
>> Sent: Dec 1, 2009 13:21
>>
>> They have not told us. Andy is trying to pin it down. I would think that
>> they would request a credit card impression.
>> Candi
>>
>>
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David Diviney

2009-12-01

I've done literally hundreds of races with chips (including a GREAT cross race in Bend 3 days ago), never paid a deposit.  Logistically speaking, I don't see it happening.

--- On Tue, 12/1/09, Erik Voldengen wrote:

From: Erik Voldengen
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USGP Race Numbers
To: obra@list.obra.org
Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2009, 3:22 PM

That's interesting that someone would expect a racer to put a deposit
down on that.  I don't remember doing that when the Cross Crusade
races experimented with them.

-Erik

On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Mike Murray wrote:
> They AMB chips cost $80-100 each so I would expect the deposit to be substantial. It will be interesting to see if they can work the system well enough to get results from them. This hardware works well but there is often a glitch in setting up the process which negates any benefit.
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Candi Murray
> Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
> To: rondot@spiritone.com
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USGP Race Numbers
> Sent: Dec 1, 2009 13:21
>
> They have not told us. Andy is trying to pin it down. I would think that they would request a credit card impression.
> Candi
>
>
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halfwheelhill@yahoo.com

2009-12-01

In all the races I have ever done with a chip there has never been a deposit required. They usually take your racing license. It seems like a liability nightmare if they take a CC impression.

Scott
------Original Message------
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To: Erik Voldengen
To: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
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ReplyTo: mike.murray@obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USGP Race Numbers
Sent: Dec 1, 2009 3:41 PM

They lost a bunch of $ due to unreturned chips.

------Original Message------
From: Erik Voldengen
Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USGP Race Numbers
Sent: Dec 1, 2009 15:22

That's interesting that someone would expect a racer to put a deposit
down on that. I don't remember doing that when the Cross Crusade
races experimented with them.

-Erik

On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Mike Murray wrote:
> They AMB chips cost $80-100 each so I would expect the deposit to be substantial. It will be interesting to see if they can work the system well enough to get results from them. This hardware works well but there is often a glitch in setting up the process which negates any benefit.
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Candi Murray
> Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
> To: rondot@spiritone.com
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USGP Race Numbers
> Sent: Dec 1, 2009 13:21
>
> They have not told us. Andy is trying to pin it down. I would think that they would request a credit card impression.
> Candi
>
>
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Justin Serna

2009-12-01

So are you saying that the chip is mandatory to race or is it optional. In other words do we have to pay twice to race the USGP now?

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Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Tue, December 1, 2009 3:40:54 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USGP Race Numbers

I think Mom had to put a depo down on her chip for the Portland Marathon

----- Original Message -----
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To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2009 3:22:45 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USGP Race Numbers

That's interesting that someone would expect a racer to put a deposit
down on that. I don't remember doing that when the Cross Crusade
races experimented with them.

-Erik

On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Mike Murray wrote:
> They AMB chips cost $80-100 each so I would expect the deposit to be substantial. It will be interesting to see if they can work the system well enough to get results from them. This hardware works well but there is often a glitch in setting up the process which negates any benefit.
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Candi Murray
> Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
> To: rondot@spiritone.com
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USGP Race Numbers
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>
> They have not told us. Andy is trying to pin it down. I would think that they would request a credit card impression.
> Candi
>
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Shane Y. Gibson

2009-12-01

Like Mike says - unreturned chips cost the race promoter money. Often
LOTS of money. As a promoter, if you get bitten once, your twice shy.
Hmm...I remember a song about that...

I've never used the AMB chips in bicycle races - but I've used lots of
the SportIdent chips in Adventure Racing and Orienteering events. They
very often have a deposit requirement for the SportIdent chip, usually
$50 to $100 to cover the replacement cost of the chip if it's not
returned, destroyed, or lost.

v/r
Shane

Mike Murray wrote:
> They lost a bunch of $ due to unreturned chips.
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Erik Voldengen
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> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USGP Race Numbers
> Sent: Dec 1, 2009 15:22
>
> That's interesting that someone would expect a racer to put a deposit
> down on that. I don't remember doing that when the Cross Crusade
> races experimented with them.

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Mike Murray

2009-12-01

They lost a bunch of $ due to unreturned chips.

------Original Message------
From: Erik Voldengen
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To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USGP Race Numbers
Sent: Dec 1, 2009 15:22

That's interesting that someone would expect a racer to put a deposit
down on that. I don't remember doing that when the Cross Crusade
races experimented with them.

-Erik

On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Mike Murray wrote:
> They AMB chips cost $80-100 each so I would expect the deposit to be substantial. It will be interesting to see if they can work the system well enough to get results from them. This hardware works well but there is often a glitch in setting up the process which negates any benefit.
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Candi Murray
> Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
> To: rondot@spiritone.com
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USGP Race Numbers
> Sent: Dec 1, 2009 13:21
>
> They have not told us. Andy is trying to pin it down. I would think that they would request a credit card impression.
> Candi
>
>
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jon.ragsdale@comcast.net

2009-12-01

I think Mom had to put a depo down on her chip for the Portland Marathon

----- Original Message -----
From: "Erik Voldengen"
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2009 3:22:45 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USGP Race Numbers

That's interesting that someone would expect a racer to put a deposit
down on that.  I don't remember doing that when the Cross Crusade
races experimented with them.

-Erik

On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Mike Murray wrote:
> They AMB chips cost $80-100 each so I would expect the deposit to be substantial. It will be interesting to see if they can work the system well enough to get results from them. This hardware works well but there is often a glitch in setting up the process which negates any benefit.
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Candi Murray
> Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
> To: rondot@spiritone.com
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USGP Race Numbers
> Sent: Dec 1, 2009 13:21
>
> They have not told us. Andy is trying to pin it down. I would think that they would request a credit card impression.
> Candi
>
>
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Erik Voldengen

2009-12-01

That's interesting that someone would expect a racer to put a deposit
down on that. I don't remember doing that when the Cross Crusade
races experimented with them.

-Erik

On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Mike Murray wrote:
> They AMB chips cost $80-100 each so I would expect the deposit to be substantial. It will be interesting to see if they can work the system well enough to get results from them. This hardware works well but there is often a glitch in setting up the process which negates any benefit.
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Candi Murray
> Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
> To: rondot@spiritone.com
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USGP Race Numbers
> Sent: Dec 1, 2009 13:21
>
> They have not told us. Andy is trying to pin it down. I would think that they would request a credit card impression.
> Candi
>
>


Mike Murray

2009-12-01

They AMB chips cost $80-100 each so I would expect the deposit to be substantial. It will be interesting to see if they can work the system well enough to get results from them. This hardware works well but there is often a glitch in setting up the process which negates any benefit.

------Original Message------
From: Candi Murray
Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
To: rondot@spiritone.com
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USGP Race Numbers
Sent: Dec 1, 2009 13:21

They have not told us. Andy is trying to pin it down. I would think that they would request a credit card impression.
Candi

-----Original Message-----
From: "Ron and Dorothy Strasser" [rondot@spiritone.com]
Date: 12/01/2009 04:19 PM
To: cmurray@obra.org, "'obra'"
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USGP Race Numbers

This all sounds just fine. Even the cold temps are a possible chance to get
ready for weather in Bend. The AMB chips being used are kool as well. The
one question I have (not sure if you are person to answer, but if someone on
the USGP know can chime in) is how much $ do I need to bring as a deposit
for this chip. Not had to do that before, but since this series seems so
east coast.... I understand... just would be good information everyone to
receive ahead of time.
thanks for any help.
ron
----- Original Message -----
From: "Candi Murray"
To: "'obra'"
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 7:09 AM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] USGP Race Numbers

>
> I know we have posted this on the Cross Crusade forum but I wanted to post
> it here in case you missed it.
>
> USGP will be using their own numbers. If you race both days you will get
> new
> numbers for each. DO NOT WEAR ANY OTHER NUMBER. Please. Make sure you
> affix
> your number in the usual cross manner, and not on your back.
>
> They will be using AMB chips. Please make sure you can pick that up and
> leave the deposit. Allow some extra time for your registration process.
> For
> heavens sake make sure you return the chip immediately after your event.
>
> Looks like it is going to be cold, but I expect the racing will be hot!
> See
> you there.
>
>
> Candi
>
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Candi Murray

2009-12-01

They have not told us. Andy is trying to pin it down. I would think that they would request a credit card impression.
Candi

-----Original Message-----
From: "Ron and Dorothy Strasser" [rondot@spiritone.com]
Date: 12/01/2009 04:19 PM
To: cmurray@obra.org, "'obra'"
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USGP Race Numbers

This all sounds just fine. Even the cold temps are a possible chance to get
ready for weather in Bend. The AMB chips being used are kool as well. The
one question I have (not sure if you are person to answer, but if someone on
the USGP know can chime in) is how much $ do I need to bring as a deposit
for this chip. Not had to do that before, but since this series seems so
east coast.... I understand... just would be good information everyone to
receive ahead of time.
thanks for any help.
ron
----- Original Message -----
From: "Candi Murray"
To: "'obra'"
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 7:09 AM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] USGP Race Numbers

>
> I know we have posted this on the Cross Crusade forum but I wanted to post
> it here in case you missed it.
>
> USGP will be using their own numbers. If you race both days you will get
> new
> numbers for each. DO NOT WEAR ANY OTHER NUMBER. Please. Make sure you
> affix
> your number in the usual cross manner, and not on your back.
>
> They will be using AMB chips. Please make sure you can pick that up and
> leave the deposit. Allow some extra time for your registration process.
> For
> heavens sake make sure you return the chip immediately after your event.
>
> Looks like it is going to be cold, but I expect the racing will be hot!
> See
> you there.
>
>
> Candi
>
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Ron and Dorothy Strasser

2009-12-01

This all sounds just fine. Even the cold temps are a possible chance to get
ready for weather in Bend. The AMB chips being used are kool as well. The
one question I have (not sure if you are person to answer, but if someone on
the USGP know can chime in) is how much $ do I need to bring as a deposit
for this chip. Not had to do that before, but since this series seems so
east coast.... I understand... just would be good information everyone to
receive ahead of time.
thanks for any help.
ron
----- Original Message -----
From: "Candi Murray"
To: "'obra'"
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 7:09 AM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] USGP Race Numbers

>
> I know we have posted this on the Cross Crusade forum but I wanted to post
> it here in case you missed it.
>
> USGP will be using their own numbers. If you race both days you will get
> new
> numbers for each. DO NOT WEAR ANY OTHER NUMBER. Please. Make sure you
> affix
> your number in the usual cross manner, and not on your back.
>
> They will be using AMB chips. Please make sure you can pick that up and
> leave the deposit. Allow some extra time for your registration process.
> For
> heavens sake make sure you return the chip immediately after your event.
>
> Looks like it is going to be cold, but I expect the racing will be hot!
> See
> you there.
>
>
> Candi
>
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Candi Murray

2009-12-01

I know we have posted this on the Cross Crusade forum but I wanted to post
it here in case you missed it.

USGP will be using their own numbers. If you race both days you will get new
numbers for each. DO NOT WEAR ANY OTHER NUMBER. Please. Make sure you affix
your number in the usual cross manner, and not on your back.

They will be using AMB chips. Please make sure you can pick that up and
leave the deposit. Allow some extra time for your registration process. For
heavens sake make sure you return the chip immediately after your event.

Looks like it is going to be cold, but I expect the racing will be hot! See
you there.

Candi