Mike Rosenfeld

Boy was I wrong about this...I thought people just used it so their
leg muscles would glisten and shine in the winter sun. Make it easier to
see the big guns in the low light while you ride past reflective surfaces.
You know what I am talking about....on any given ride you have two or three
spots that give you that position and kit check....make sure the white shoe
covers aren't too dirty. Not that I would know anything about this.

I can see that balm really has its uses from keeping you warm to providing
hours of entertainment at the expense of others... and to think that I
thought sweat pants over my shorts would be enough.

Have fun in the cold at Nats everyone.

On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 8:47 AM, Rick C Johnson wrote:

>
>
> Well there pardners, over here on the cold side of the hills we just put on
> some more clothes fer winter time. I 'spose if ya'll be wantn' somethin' to
> make yer skin feel hot when in fact yer actually gettin' colder that's yer
> choice. Heck, we could even arrange somethin' fer y'all come nationals time.
> We could oblige ya some pepper spray, that'll make ya feel warm all over!
> Hows about we set up a couple places y'all could pull in, one fer a little
> warm up with the "Bear-Be-Gone" strength. For t'other we could use the
> "Dangerous Felon" variety. If'n I was a bettin' man I'd say we'd be sure to
> have some volunteers to hep y'all out!
> But I 'spect y'all is better off just wearin' plain old clothes. 'Sides,
> folks 'round these parts tend to look at y'all funny when youse be smelling
> like to two dollar whore. But that's just one fellas 'pinion, a'course.
>
>
>
> Rick Johnson
> Bend, Oregon
>
> "Those who cannot remember the past, are condemned to repeat it" - George
> Santayana
>
>
>
> Steve Brown wrote:
>
> Atomic Balm was banned by most countries with the exception of a few old
>> Soviet republics in Central Asia as it was too often used as a prank
>> substitute for chamois cream. Although, if you call your old high school
>> football coach he might have some in an old equipment bag.
>>
>>
>> On Dec 2, 2009, at 5:20 PM, mohair wrote:
>>
>> So what ever became of Atomic Balm? Or is that passe nowadays?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 2, 2009, at 4:04 PM, rosenfeldma@gmail.com >> rosenfeldma@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Or just plain old pull on leg warmers maybe even some knee warmers? Or
>>>> is that not cool looking enough anymore? -- Sent from my Palm Pre
>>>>
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> OBRA mailing list
>>> obra@list.obra.org
>>>
>>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org >> obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org>
>>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> OBRA mailing list
>> obra@list.obra.org
>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> OBRA mailing list
> obra@list.obra.org
> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>

Rick C Johnson

Well there pardners, over here on the cold side of the hills we just put
on some more clothes fer winter time. I 'spose if ya'll be wantn'
somethin' to make yer skin feel hot when in fact yer actually gettin'
colder that's yer choice. Heck, we could even arrange somethin' fer
y'all come nationals time. We could oblige ya some pepper spray, that'll
make ya feel warm all over! Hows about we set up a couple places y'all
could pull in, one fer a little warm up with the "Bear-Be-Gone"
strength. For t'other we could use the "Dangerous Felon" variety. If'n I
was a bettin' man I'd say we'd be sure to have some volunteers to hep
y'all out!
But I 'spect y'all is better off just wearin' plain old clothes. 'Sides,
folks 'round these parts tend to look at y'all funny when youse be
smelling like to two dollar whore. But that's just one fellas 'pinion,
a'course.

Rick Johnson
Bend, Oregon

"Those who cannot remember the past, are condemned to repeat it" - George Santayana

Steve Brown wrote:

> Atomic Balm was banned by most countries with the exception of a few
> old Soviet republics in Central Asia as it was too often used as a
> prank substitute for chamois cream. Although, if you call your old
> high school football coach he might have some in an old equipment bag.
>
>
> On Dec 2, 2009, at 5:20 PM, mohair wrote:
>
>> So what ever became of Atomic Balm? Or is that passe nowadays?
>>
>>
>> On Dec 2, 2009, at 4:04 PM, rosenfeldma@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Or just plain old pull on leg warmers maybe even some knee warmers?
>>> Or is that not cool looking enough anymore?
>>> -- Sent from my Palm Pre
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> OBRA mailing list
>> obra@list.obra.org
>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>>
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>_______________________________________________
>OBRA mailing list
>obra@list.obra.org
>http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>
>

Steve Brown

Atomic Balm was banned by most countries with the exception of a few
old Soviet republics in Central Asia as it was too often used as a
prank substitute for chamois cream. Although, if you call your old
high school football coach he might have some in an old equipment bag.

On Dec 2, 2009, at 5:20 PM, mohair wrote:

> So what ever became of Atomic Balm? Or is that passe nowadays?
>
>
> On Dec 2, 2009, at 4:04 PM, rosenfeldma@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Or just plain old pull on leg warmers maybe even some knee
>> warmers? Or is that not cool looking enough anymore?
>> -- Sent from my Palm Pre
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> OBRA mailing list
> obra@list.obra.org
> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org

Melissa Boyd

I guess I was personally curious about this stuff, so checked on Google.
Here's a good summary from twowheelblogs.com. Basically it increases
circulation and makes you feel warm, and your muscles feel "warmed up" and
ready for action, but you are still losing body heat so be careful:

"How does it work? Well if you look at the ingredients in many common
cycling embrocations you will tend to find capsicum (the stuff that makes
peppers hot), menthol, or other odd ingredients that would seem to provide a
burning sensation. As I understand things, these ingredients when rubbed
into the skin, stimulate the nerves and in turn more blood flows to the area
(instead of nature’s first reaction to cold which is to constrict vessels in
the extremities to keep the core warm).

Now before anyone gets any bright ideas, allow me to point out an obvious
danger. This stuff will not actually make you warm! It only redirects blood
flow to the areas where it is applied. This is not a big deal if you are
generating a fair amount of additional heat through vigorous activities, but
if you are sedentary in the cold weather this stuff will act to lower your
core temperature. You can get a similar effect by drinking alcohol (booze
dilates blood vessels and allows blood to flow to your extremities and your
hands will feel warmer at the cost of your vital organs which cool as the
cool blood returns to your core…can lead to hypothermia which is bad!). For
most cyclists our core gets plenty warm, but the legs often feel “dead” in
the cold weather (probably because of this vascular restriction reducing
blood flow)."

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Ron and Dorothy Strasser <
rondot@spiritone.com> wrote:

> On a serious note. I first started using embrocation the first year I
> raced Cyclocross... when it started getting cold. The 50+ group raced at 9
> AM and this old body needed that jump start. I think it really does help my
> body function more efficiently. I have to admit I have ridden many more
> miles without embrocation in worse weather (when touring) than any of my
> cyclocross or mountain bike races and survived. But I like the stuff! I
> would assume most of them work pretty much the same. Kind of like a mouse
> trap. For you science people out there... you could chime in... I expect it
> is all chemistry right? It is just another method of providing heat than a)
> warming up the muscles by spinning or b) wearing leg warmers etc.
> ron
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* mohair
> *To:* obra@list.obra.org
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 02, 2009 5:20 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] which shops have Embrocation?
>
> So what ever became of Atomic Balm? Or is that passe nowadays?
>
>
> On Dec 2, 2009, at 4:04 PM, rosenfeldma@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Or just plain old pull on leg warmers maybe even some knee warmers? Or is
> that not cool looking enough anymore?
> -- Sent from my Palm Pre
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> OBRA mailing list
> obra@list.obra.org
> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> OBRA mailing list
> obra@list.obra.org
> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>
>

Ron and Dorothy Strasser

On a serious note. I first started using embrocation the first year I raced Cyclocross... when it started getting cold. The 50+ group raced at 9 AM and this old body needed that jump start. I think it really does help my body function more efficiently. I have to admit I have ridden many more miles without embrocation in worse weather (when touring) than any of my cyclocross or mountain bike races and survived. But I like the stuff! I would assume most of them work pretty much the same. Kind of like a mouse trap. For you science people out there... you could chime in... I expect it is all chemistry right? It is just another method of providing heat than a) warming up the muscles by spinning or b) wearing leg warmers etc.
ron
----- Original Message -----
From: mohair
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 5:20 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] which shops have Embrocation?

So what ever became of Atomic Balm? Or is that passe nowadays?

On Dec 2, 2009, at 4:04 PM, rosenfeldma@gmail.com wrote:

Or just plain old pull on leg warmers maybe even some knee warmers? Or is that not cool looking enough anymore?

-- Sent from my Palm Pre

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

_______________________________________________
OBRA mailing list
obra@list.obra.org
http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org

mohair

So what ever became of Atomic Balm? Or is that passe nowadays?

On Dec 2, 2009, at 4:04 PM, rosenfeldma@gmail.com wrote:

> Or just plain old pull on leg warmers maybe even some knee warmers? Or is that not cool looking enough anymore?
> -- Sent from my Palm Pre
>

Dan H

Apparently, knee warmers and anything else below the knee except shoes and socks are illegal for UCI sanctioned races. Perhaps one could get away with very long socks.
----- Original Message -----
From: rosenfeldma@gmail.com
To: Erik Voldengen ; obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] which shops have Embrocation?

Or just plain old pull on leg warmers maybe even some knee warmers? Or is that not cool looking enough anymore?

-- Sent from my Palm Pre

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Erik Voldengen wrote:

Has anyone just tried "Icy Hot?"

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Ron and Dorothy Strasser
wrote:
> It depends on what you use. You can pick up big cans of "Tiger Balm" which
> I have used for years at the Vitamin Shop downtown. Dot usually does this
> for me as she is down there..... I just bought a can of the
> northwestkneewarmers.com (medium) at Psycho and it seems to work great...
> gets warmer as you get warmed up. They will probably have some at the Cyclo
> Sportif Tent at USGP. I would not put it on the waffle.
> ron
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "will"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 11:02 AM
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] which shops have Embrocation?
>
>
>> With the exception of going to the tri-shop on Vaughn, does anyone in
>> Portland carry some?
>>
>> I can usually rely on my baby-fat to get me through the cold season but
>> USGP is looking to be uber cold and very dry.
>>
>> -will, Crossniacs
>> _______________________________________________
>> OBRA mailing list
>> obra@list.obra.org
>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> OBRA mailing list
> obra@list.obra.org
> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>
_______________________________________________
OBRA mailing list
obra@list.obra.org
http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

_______________________________________________
OBRA mailing list
obra@list.obra.org
http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org

Dave Roth

I have Greyhound Juice in stock in all flavors (Original, Warm Weather, and Super Strength). It comes in an easy-to-use deoderant style applicator. Just remember not to apply it to your pits.

http://www.veloclothes.com/prod1.aspx?Mode=40&Brand=All%20Brands&SID=1&Product_ID=2085&Category_ID=134

Call me if you want to order and I can give you a coupon code for free shipping. I can also deliver it in person this weekend at PIR.

Dave Roth
Store Manager
Veloclothes.com
5630 NE MLK Blvd
Portland, OR 97211

503-288-6430 - phone
888-288-6430 - toll free

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of T. Kenji Sugahara
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 5:00 PM
To: Ron and Dorothy Strasser
Cc: obra@list.obra.org; will
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] which shops have Embrocation?

I just ordered the extra-hot from northwestkneewarmers.

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Ron and Dorothy Strasser wrote:
> It depends on what you use.  You can pick up big cans of "Tiger Balm"
> which I have used for years at the Vitamin Shop downtown.  Dot usually
> does this for me as she is down there..... I just bought a can of the
> northwestkneewarmers.com (medium) at Psycho and it seems to work great...
> gets warmer as you get warmed up.  They will probably have some at the
> Cyclo Sportif Tent at USGP.  I would not put it on the waffle.
> ron
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "will"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 11:02 AM
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] which shops have Embrocation?
>
>
>> With the exception of going to the tri-shop on Vaughn, does anyone in
>> Portland carry some?
>>
>> I can usually rely on my baby-fat to get me through the cold season
>> but USGP is looking to be uber cold and very dry.
>>
>> -will, Crossniacs
>> _______________________________________________
>> OBRA mailing list
>> obra@list.obra.org
>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> OBRA mailing list
> obra@list.obra.org
> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>
>
_______________________________________________
OBRA mailing list
obra@list.obra.org
http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org

T. Kenji Sugahara

I just ordered the extra-hot from northwestkneewarmers.

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Ron and Dorothy Strasser
wrote:
> It depends on what you use.  You can pick up big cans of "Tiger Balm" which
> I have used for years at the Vitamin Shop downtown.  Dot usually does this
> for me as she is down there..... I just bought a can of the
> northwestkneewarmers.com (medium) at Psycho and it seems to work great...
> gets warmer as you get warmed up.  They will probably have some at the Cyclo
> Sportif Tent at USGP.  I would not put it on the waffle.
> ron
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "will"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 11:02 AM
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] which shops have Embrocation?
>
>
>> With the exception of going to the tri-shop on Vaughn, does anyone in
>> Portland carry some?
>>
>> I can usually rely on my baby-fat to get me through the cold season but
>> USGP is looking to be uber cold and very dry.
>>
>> -will, Crossniacs
>> _______________________________________________
>> OBRA mailing list
>> obra@list.obra.org
>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> OBRA mailing list
> obra@list.obra.org
> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>
>

rrrain@comcast.net

Will-    River City Bicycles had plenty of Mad Alchemy embrocation the last time I was in there.... (both mild and medium)

I use the medium and like it a lot -although I wish I could find some of their hot (aka "Madness"). It doesn't feel scorchingly hot, but my legs never feel cold even on wet freezing race days.

Like most real embrocation, it is not easy to remove (although easier than most!)

----- Original Message -----
From: "will"
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2009 11:02:36 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: [OBRA Chat] which shops have Embrocation?

With the exception of going to the tri-shop on Vaughn, does anyone in Portland carry some?

I can usually rely on my baby-fat to get me through the cold season but USGP is looking to be uber cold and very dry.

-will, Crossniacs
_______________________________________________
OBRA mailing list
obra@list.obra.org
http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org

rosenfeldma@gmail.com

Or just plain old pull on leg warmers maybe even some knee warmers?  Or is that not cool looking enough anymore?  
-- Sent from my Palm Pre
Erik Voldengen wrote:

Has anyone just tried "Icy Hot?"

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Ron and Dorothy Strasser

<rondot@spiritone.com> wrote:

> It depends on what you use.  You can pick up big cans of "Tiger Balm" which

> I have used for years at the Vitamin Shop downtown.  Dot usually does this

> for me as she is down there..... I just bought a can of the

> northwestkneewarmers.com (medium) at Psycho and it seems to work great...

> gets warmer as you get warmed up.  They will probably have some at the Cyclo

> Sportif Tent at USGP.  I would not put it on the waffle.

> ron

> ----- Original Message ----- From: "will" <will_cortez_23@hotmail.com>

> To: <obra@list.obra.org>

> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 11:02 AM

> Subject: [OBRA Chat] which shops have Embrocation?

>

>

>> With the exception of going to the tri-shop on Vaughn, does anyone in

>> Portland carry some?

>>

>> I can usually rely on my baby-fat to get me through the cold season but

>> USGP is looking to be uber cold and very dry.

>>

>> -will, Crossniacs

>> _______________________________________________

>> OBRA mailing list

>> obra@list.obra.org

>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra

>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org

>>

>

> _______________________________________________

> OBRA mailing list

> obra@list.obra.org

> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra

> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org

>

_______________________________________________

OBRA mailing list

obra@list.obra.org

http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra

Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org

Erik Voldengen

Has anyone just tried "Icy Hot?"

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Ron and Dorothy Strasser
wrote:
> It depends on what you use.  You can pick up big cans of "Tiger Balm" which
> I have used for years at the Vitamin Shop downtown.  Dot usually does this
> for me as she is down there..... I just bought a can of the
> northwestkneewarmers.com (medium) at Psycho and it seems to work great...
> gets warmer as you get warmed up.  They will probably have some at the Cyclo
> Sportif Tent at USGP.  I would not put it on the waffle.
> ron
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "will"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 11:02 AM
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] which shops have Embrocation?
>
>
>> With the exception of going to the tri-shop on Vaughn, does anyone in
>> Portland carry some?
>>
>> I can usually rely on my baby-fat to get me through the cold season but
>> USGP is looking to be uber cold and very dry.
>>
>> -will, Crossniacs
>> _______________________________________________
>> OBRA mailing list
>> obra@list.obra.org
>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> OBRA mailing list
> obra@list.obra.org
> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>

Ron and Dorothy Strasser

It depends on what you use. You can pick up big cans of "Tiger Balm" which
I have used for years at the Vitamin Shop downtown. Dot usually does this
for me as she is down there..... I just bought a can of the
northwestkneewarmers.com (medium) at Psycho and it seems to work great...
gets warmer as you get warmed up. They will probably have some at the Cyclo
Sportif Tent at USGP. I would not put it on the waffle.
ron
----- Original Message -----
From: "will"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 11:02 AM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] which shops have Embrocation?

> With the exception of going to the tri-shop on Vaughn, does anyone in
> Portland carry some?
>
> I can usually rely on my baby-fat to get me through the cold season but
> USGP is looking to be uber cold and very dry.
>
> -will, Crossniacs
> _______________________________________________
> OBRA mailing list
> obra@list.obra.org
> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>

will

With the exception of going to the tri-shop on Vaughn, does anyone in Portland carry some?

I can usually rely on my baby-fat to get me through the cold season but USGP is looking to be uber cold and very dry.

-will, Crossniacs