OBRA: OBRA Chat: night riding scappoose

Ron and Dorothy Strasser

2009-12-18

Re: [OBRA Chat] night riding scappooseOh Tom... you knucklehead! Nothing like that would ever happen! By the way, how are you HEALING?
ron
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From: Thomas Hoffman
To: bengelen@comcast.net ; Ron and Dorothy Strasser ; obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] night riding scappoose

Riding at night is dangerous. What would happen of somebody slipped and broke his leg for example.

On 12/18/09 12:40 PM, "Brian Engelen" wrote:

I believe that one of the neighboring Land owners is a State Trooper.

Brian

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From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Ron and Dorothy Strasser
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 10:19 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] night riding scappoose

Please don't ride out there after dark.

I just received an email from an OBRA rider. Yesterday this rider and a buddy were starting a ride out there about 3:30 PM. They were at the gate when a State Trooper stopped and informed them about the rule regarding no entry (including riding) at night. The Trooper also informed these two riders that the Landowner was getting close to SHUTTING DOWN THE AREA TO MOUNTAIN BIKING if people continue to ride after dark.

I see this as a perfect example of where people who make the individual choice to ride after dark could easily end our access of a close place to ride our bikes. I have to hope that most people with the knowledge of the situation will choose not to ride after dark. Please let anyone you know who has, enjoys, or you think will want to do so in the future know what their riding at night there could do to so many other people. Ask them to please not ride after dark out there. Remember. The landowners are not bad people. They have posted rules regarding the use of the property that applies to everyone, not just mountain bike riders. These rules have been in place for many years. If you get a negative reaction from a person you inform, please try to make them understand it is not personal, but impacts all users. Mad people will go ahead and break the rules and ruin it for all. Even if "Joe rider" goes in and rides at night or "Bill and Jane" take a hike in on a lovely moonlit night... it does not make it "OK" for others to do the same. Two or two hundred wrongs do not make a right.

This rule in non-negotiable and is consistent on all of their properties throughout Oregon and Washington. It is not public land where we could try to change rules. There is really no reason work ourselves up about it, but instead just try to do what we can to minimize or eliminate night riding out there.

If this sounds preachy... it is not meant to... these are just the facts regarding this private property we are allowed to use.... as long as we follow the rules.

Thanks very much for any help with this.

ron

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Rick Johnson

2009-12-18

They'd better have insurance!

Rick Johnson
Bend, Oregon

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Thomas Hoffman wrote:

Re: [OBRA Chat] night riding scappoose
Riding at night is dangerous. What would
happen of somebody slipped and broke his leg for example.

On 12/18/09 12:40 PM, "Brian Engelen" <bengelen@comcast.net> wrote:

I
believe that one of the neighboring Land owners is a State Trooper.

Brian

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
On Behalf Of Ron and Dorothy Strasser

Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 10:19 AM

To: obra@list.obra.org

Subject: [OBRA Chat] night riding scappoose

Please
don't ride out there after dark.

I just received an email from an OBRA rider.
Yesterday this rider and a buddy were starting a ride out there about
3:30 PM. They were at the gate when a State Trooper stopped and
informed them about the rule regarding no entry (including riding) at
night. The Trooper also informed these two riders that the Landowner
was getting close to SHUTTING DOWN THE AREA TO MOUNTAIN BIKING if
people continue to ride after dark.

I see this as a perfect example of where
people who make the individual choice to ride after dark could easily
end our access of a close place to ride our bikes. I have to hope that
most people with the knowledge of the situation will choose not to ride
after dark. Please let anyone you know who has, enjoys, or you
think will want to do so in the future know what their riding at night
there could do to so many other people. Ask them to please not ride
after dark out there. Remember. The landowners are not bad people.
They have posted rules regarding the use of the property that applies
to everyone, not just mountain bike riders. These rules have been in
place for many years. If you get a negative reaction from a person you
inform, please try to make them understand it is not personal, but
impacts all users. Mad people will go ahead and break the rules and
ruin it for all. Even if "Joe rider" goes in and rides at night or
"Bill and Jane" take a hike in on a lovely moonlit night... it does
not make it "OK" for others to do the same. Two or two hundred
wrongs do not make a right.

This rule in non-negotiable and is consistent
on all of their properties throughout Oregon and Washington. It is not
public land where we could try to change rules. There is really no
reason work ourselves up about it, but instead just try to do what we
can to minimize or eliminate night riding out there.

If this sounds preachy... it is not meant
to... these are just the facts regarding this private property we are
allowed to use.... as long as we follow the rules.

Thanks very much for any help with this.

ron

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Thomas Hoffman

2009-12-18

Riding at night is dangerous. What would happen of somebody slipped and
broke his leg for example.

On 12/18/09 12:40 PM, "Brian Engelen" wrote:

> I believe that one of the neighboring Land owners is a State Trooper.
>
> Brian
>
>
>
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf
> Of Ron and Dorothy Strasser
> Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 10:19 AM
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] night riding scappoose
>
>
> Please don't ride out there after dark.
>
> I just received an email from an OBRA rider. Yesterday this rider and a buddy
> were starting a ride out there about 3:30 PM. They were at the gate when a
> State Trooper stopped and informed them about the rule regarding no entry
> (including riding) at night. The Trooper also informed these two riders that
> the Landowner was getting close to SHUTTING DOWN THE AREA TO MOUNTAIN BIKING
> if people continue to ride after dark.
>
> I see this as a perfect example of where people who make the individual choice
> to ride after dark could easily end our access of a close place to ride our
> bikes. I have to hope that most people with the knowledge of the situation
> will choose not to ride after dark. Please let anyone you know who has,
> enjoys, or you think will want to do so in the future know what their riding
> at night there could do to so many other people. Ask them to please not ride
> after dark out there. Remember. The landowners are not bad people. They have
> posted rules regarding the use of the property that applies to everyone, not
> just mountain bike riders. These rules have been in place for many years. If
> you get a negative reaction from a person you inform, please try to make them
> understand it is not personal, but impacts all users. Mad people will go
> ahead and break the rules and ruin it for all. Even if "Joe rider" goes in
> and rides at night or "Bill and Jane" take a hike in on a lovely moonlit
> night... it does not make it "OK" for others to do the same. Two or two
> hundred wrongs do not make a right.
>
> This rule in non-negotiable and is consistent on all of their properties
> throughout Oregon and Washington. It is not public land where we could try to
> change rules. There is really no reason work ourselves up about it, but
> instead just try to do what we can to minimize or eliminate night riding out
> there.
>
> If this sounds preachy... it is not meant to... these are just the facts
> regarding this private property we are allowed to use.... as long as we follow
> the rules.
>
> Thanks very much for any help with this.
>
> ron
>
>
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> Thomas Hoffman
> Real Estate Broker
> RE/MAX equity group, inc.
> Office Phone: 503-645-0638
> Direct Phone: 503-495-5607
> Fax: 503-645-9742
> Email: thoffman@equitygroup.com

Brian Engelen

2009-12-18

I believe that one of the neighboring Land owners is a State Trooper.

Brian

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From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Ron and Dorothy Strasser
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 10:19 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] night riding scappoose

Please don't ride out there after dark.

I just received an email from an OBRA rider. Yesterday this rider and a
buddy were starting a ride out there about 3:30 PM. They were at the gate
when a State Trooper stopped and informed them about the rule regarding no
entry (including riding) at night. The Trooper also informed these two
riders that the Landowner was getting close to SHUTTING DOWN THE AREA TO
MOUNTAIN BIKING if people continue to ride after dark.

I see this as a perfect example of where people who make the individual
choice to ride after dark could easily end our access of a close place to
ride our bikes. I have to hope that most people with the knowledge of the
situation will choose not to ride after dark. Please let anyone you know who
has, enjoys, or you think will want to do so in the future know what their
riding at night there could do to so many other people. Ask them to please
not ride after dark out there. Remember. The landowners are not bad
people. They have posted rules regarding the use of the property that
applies to everyone, not just mountain bike riders. These rules have been
in place for many years. If you get a negative reaction from a person you
inform, please try to make them understand it is not personal, but impacts
all users. Mad people will go ahead and break the rules and ruin it for
all. Even if "Joe rider" goes in and rides at night or "Bill and Jane" take
a hike in on a lovely moonlit night... it does not make it "OK" for others
to do the same. Two or two hundred wrongs do not make a right.

This rule in non-negotiable and is consistent on all of their properties
throughout Oregon and Washington. It is not public land where we could try
to change rules. There is really no reason work ourselves up about it, but
instead just try to do what we can to minimize or eliminate night riding out
there.

If this sounds preachy... it is not meant to... these are just the facts
regarding this private property we are allowed to use.... as long as we
follow the rules.

Thanks very much for any help with this.

ron

Ron and Dorothy Strasser

2009-12-18

Please don't ride out there after dark.
I just received an email from an OBRA rider. Yesterday this rider and a buddy were starting a ride out there about 3:30 PM. They were at the gate when a State Trooper stopped and informed them about the rule regarding no entry (including riding) at night. The Trooper also informed these two riders that the Landowner was getting close to SHUTTING DOWN THE AREA TO MOUNTAIN BIKING if people continue to ride after dark.
I see this as a perfect example of where people who make the individual choice to ride after dark could easily end our access of a close place to ride our bikes. I have to hope that most people with the knowledge of the situation will choose not to ride after dark. Please let anyone you know who has, enjoys, or you think will want to do so in the future know what their riding at night there could do to so many other people. Ask them to please not ride after dark out there. Remember. The landowners are not bad people. They have posted rules regarding the use of the property that applies to everyone, not just mountain bike riders. These rules have been in place for many years. If you get a negative reaction from a person you inform, please try to make them understand it is not personal, but impacts all users. Mad people will go ahead and break the rules and ruin it for all. Even if "Joe rider" goes in and rides at night or "Bill and Jane" take a hike in on a lovely moonlit night... it does not make it "OK" for others to do the same. Two or two hundred wrongs do not make a right.
This rule in non-negotiable and is consistent on all of their properties throughout Oregon and Washington. It is not public land where we could try to change rules. There is really no reason work ourselves up about it, but instead just try to do what we can to minimize or eliminate night riding out there.
If this sounds preachy... it is not meant to... these are just the facts regarding this private property we are allowed to use.... as long as we follow the rules.
Thanks very much for any help with this.
ron