Ron and Dorothy Strasser

Mike....all...
In this case... the orneriness in me used the word "assume" on
purpose...knowing assumptions can always get one in trouble... or in this
case, get people talking about something that does impact racers. I let
them know what I thought when they sent me the survey after nats. There is
a part of me that does not care that much about USAC, but when I do join, I
can at least let them know what I think as a member. I wish I would have
received the certificate before the survey!
I do not know how "big" the organization is, but my experience is the bigger
an organization, usually the more out of touch it is with members, workers,
customers etc.
ron :-)
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Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USAC & cross worlds?

> Ron Strasser wrote WRT USAC:
> "I have to somewhat "assume" they know what is best for all of us
> regarding cycling."
>
> I think there is not much reason to support this assumption.
>
> Mike Murray
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eric aldinger

Too bad there is no WBRA covering Washington races. We could then refer to
it as WonderBRA.

On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Joe Cipale wrote:

> But for those who intened to race outside of OBRA (like WA or national
> events), then you are pretty much stuck with having both a OBRA and a USAC
> license.
>
> Joe
>
> halfwheelhill wrote:
>
> > after being a member of usac for the last 16yrs. I know for a fact they
> don't really care about the racer. I have seen our membership dues go up
> every year and racer support go down every year. Usac is a joke.
> > I am so happy to be done with usac and to be a member of an organization
> that cares about the racer.
> >
> > Scott
> > ------Original Message------
> > From: Mike Murray
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> > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USAC & cross worlds?
> > Sent: Jan 15, 2010 11:15 AM
> >
> > Ron Strasser wrote WRT USAC:
> > "I have to somewhat "assume" they know what is best for all of us
> regarding cycling."
> >
> > I think there is not much reason to support this assumption.
> >
> > Mike Murray
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Joe Cipale

But for those who intened to race outside of OBRA (like WA or national events), then you are pretty much stuck with having both a OBRA and a USAC license.

Joe

halfwheelhill wrote:

> after being a member of usac for the last 16yrs. I know for a fact they don't really care about the racer. I have seen our membership dues go up every year and racer support go down every year. Usac is a joke.
> I am so happy to be done with usac and to be a member of an organization that cares about the racer.
>
> Scott
> ------Original Message------
> From: Mike Murray
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> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USAC & cross worlds?
> Sent: Jan 15, 2010 11:15 AM
>
> Ron Strasser wrote WRT USAC:
> "I have to somewhat "assume" they know what is best for all of us regarding cycling."
>
> I think there is not much reason to support this assumption.
>
> Mike Murray
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after being a member of usac for the last 16yrs. I know for a fact they don't really care about the racer. I have seen our membership dues go up every year and racer support go down every year. Usac is a joke.
I am so happy to be done with usac and to be a member of an organization that cares about the racer.

Scott
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Ron Strasser wrote WRT USAC:
"I have to somewhat "assume" they know what is best for all of us regarding cycling."

I think there is not much reason to support this assumption.

Mike Murray

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Leibowitz, Flo

I kind of thought those certificates had no purpose at all. Does anyone know otherwise?
I mainly wondered how much money they had to spend to make and mail them. Hey, use the money to pay for the timing chips, if they want to do something helpful.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 11:15 AM
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Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USAC & cross worlds?

Ron Strasser wrote WRT USAC:
"I have to somewhat "assume" they know what is best for all of us regarding cycling."

I think there is not much reason to support this assumption.

Mike Murray

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Mike Murray

Ron Strasser wrote WRT USAC:
"I have to somewhat "assume" they know what is best for all of us regarding cycling."

I think there is not much reason to support this assumption.

Mike Murray

Evan Plews

There is a Facebook page called "MTB Racers Who Demand USAC Change Course!"

If you want to sound off there...

Evan Plews
www.evanplews.com
503-949-4879

> From: rondot@spiritone.com
> To: dalnvan@bendbroadband.com; obra@list.obra.org
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:36:53 -0800
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] USAC & cross worlds?
>
> Dan,
> I agree with you.
> I have to somewhat "assume" they know what is best for all of us regarding
> cycling. I do question that expenditure. There are probably some who were
> happy to receive them. I wonder what the cost was to print and send those
> certificates out and just how much that could have aided either the riders
> going to Worlds or even some of the development camps etc. Overall I still
> believe cycling is a sport that requires most participants be middle to
> upper economic class and thus exempts many gifted riders. I know if someone
> wants to race enough, they can make it happen, but.... when they are not
> even in a place to even have cycling on their radar.... how do they ever get
> a chance. If however some of these riders (who struggle economically) have
> made it into a circle of support and onto a team, it seems the proper thing
> for USAC to offer financial support to some extent.
> not to worry here... i will keep sandbaggin' !
> ron
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dan Davis"
> To:
> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 9:21 AM
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] USAC & cross worlds?
>
>
> > Ok so what’s going on with USAC and the world’s cross team? People on the
> > team have to find their own way there as we know from last year and our
> > own Oregonians that got chosen to the team, yet the USAC will send out and
> > "certificate of participation" for the Nat’s and get the dates wrong and
> > on one of my buddies his name was upside down!
> > And they wonder why we don’t want to be part of USAC!
> > Dan…
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Ron and Dorothy Strasser

Dan,
I agree with you.
I have to somewhat "assume" they know what is best for all of us regarding
cycling. I do question that expenditure. There are probably some who were
happy to receive them. I wonder what the cost was to print and send those
certificates out and just how much that could have aided either the riders
going to Worlds or even some of the development camps etc. Overall I still
believe cycling is a sport that requires most participants be middle to
upper economic class and thus exempts many gifted riders. I know if someone
wants to race enough, they can make it happen, but.... when they are not
even in a place to even have cycling on their radar.... how do they ever get
a chance. If however some of these riders (who struggle economically) have
made it into a circle of support and onto a team, it seems the proper thing
for USAC to offer financial support to some extent.
not to worry here... i will keep sandbaggin' !
ron

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Davis"
To:
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 9:21 AM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] USAC & cross worlds?

> Ok so what’s going on with USAC and the world’s cross team? People on the
> team have to find their own way there as we know from last year and our
> own Oregonians that got chosen to the team, yet the USAC will send out and
> "certificate of participation" for the Nat’s and get the dates wrong and
> on one of my buddies his name was upside down!
> And they wonder why we don’t want to be part of USAC!
> Dan…
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Dan Davis

Ok so what’s going on with USAC and the world’s cross team? People on the team have to find their own way there as we know from last year and our own Oregonians that got chosen to the team, yet the USAC will send out and "certificate of participation" for the Nat’s and get the dates wrong and on one of my buddies his name was upside down!
And they wonder why we don’t want to be part of USAC!
Dan…