Joe Cipale

After watcihng the sausage-making process that became 'Health Care Reform', I doubt the current collection of misfit criminals in DC could even fix transporation.

john wrote:

> Yeah Rick hit the nail on the head...
> We should be planning at least 2 or 3 high speed rail lines, one north,
> middle and south across the nation. And stop throwing our money
> into "free"-ways. Not super high speed rail because that takes an
> exponential extra amount of money and engineering... , but just sensibly
> fast like ~120 mph, with maybe some sort of smart embarkation/debarkation
> where the train never stops... .
> In another 5-10-20 years when fuel prices are over $10 a gallon it may be
> too late to afford any sort of infrastructure investments...
>
> If you want to scare yourself silly, read "the long emergency" ..
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Joe Cipale wrote:
>
> > Personally, if I can take the train, I will take the train. It may be
> > slower, but it much more relaxing.
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > Rick C Johnson wrote:
> >
> > > You all are just debating the symptoms of a diseased patient. The
> > > fundamental problem is that in America we basically have two choices
> > > when it comes to long distance transportation - drive your car or fly.
> > > Both require costly and inefficient infrastructure, both also require
> > > copious amounts of fuel. The US airline industry couldn't exist at all
> > > if it were not for government provided airports and air traffic control.
> > > The industry is being squeezed by economic factors and is in turn
> > > squeezing it's customers.
> > > Write all the emails you want - it's not going to change things one iota.
> > >
> > > Rick Johnson
> > > Bend, Oregon
> > >
> > > "Those who cannot remember the past, are condemned to repeat it" - George
> > Santayana
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Joe Cipale wrote:
> > >
> > > >Throwing my two cents in -
> > > >I used to travel for work for 2-3 weeks at a time. I would always bring
> > my bike in a Trico Ironman case. The best airlines to fly (late 90's-early
> > 00's) were Alaska and Delta. The worst, and I mean WORST was United! Alaska
> > would often waive the fee as the bike/case/helmet/shoes/cloor pump/other
> > bomb materials would weigh less than 40 lbs. Delta would give me a surcharge
> > of $25.00 becuase it was an odd shape.
> > > >
> > > >United was just a bunch of effing pr****! They would charge an oversize
> > fee, a handling fee, and a bulk fee (WTH is a 'bulk fee'?). Needless to say
> > I tried to avoid United as much as possible.
> > > >
> > > >Joe
> > > >
> > > >Thomas W. Judson wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>I just found a really useful website,
> > > >>
> > > >>http://www.ibike.org/encouragement/travel/bagregs.htm
> > > >>
> > > >>By the way, it is really easy to email the airlines by going to their
> > websites. And they do respond, especially if you are a frequent flyer with
> > elite status. If enough people complain, they might even drop their fees.
> > > >>
> > > >>Tom
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>_______________________________________________
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> > > >>
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john

Yeah Rick hit the nail on the head...
We should be planning at least 2 or 3 high speed rail lines, one north,
middle and south across the nation. And stop throwing our money
into "free"-ways. Not super high speed rail because that takes an
exponential extra amount of money and engineering... , but just sensibly
fast like ~120 mph, with maybe some sort of smart embarkation/debarkation
where the train never stops... .
In another 5-10-20 years when fuel prices are over $10 a gallon it may be
too late to afford any sort of infrastructure investments...

If you want to scare yourself silly, read "the long emergency" ..

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Joe Cipale wrote:

> Personally, if I can take the train, I will take the train. It may be
> slower, but it much more relaxing.
>
> Joe
>
> Rick C Johnson wrote:
>
> > You all are just debating the symptoms of a diseased patient. The
> > fundamental problem is that in America we basically have two choices
> > when it comes to long distance transportation - drive your car or fly.
> > Both require costly and inefficient infrastructure, both also require
> > copious amounts of fuel. The US airline industry couldn't exist at all
> > if it were not for government provided airports and air traffic control.
> > The industry is being squeezed by economic factors and is in turn
> > squeezing it's customers.
> > Write all the emails you want - it's not going to change things one iota.
> >
> > Rick Johnson
> > Bend, Oregon
> >
> > "Those who cannot remember the past, are condemned to repeat it" - George
> Santayana
> >
> >
> >
> > Joe Cipale wrote:
> >
> > >Throwing my two cents in -
> > >I used to travel for work for 2-3 weeks at a time. I would always bring
> my bike in a Trico Ironman case. The best airlines to fly (late 90's-early
> 00's) were Alaska and Delta. The worst, and I mean WORST was United! Alaska
> would often waive the fee as the bike/case/helmet/shoes/cloor pump/other
> bomb materials would weigh less than 40 lbs. Delta would give me a surcharge
> of $25.00 becuase it was an odd shape.
> > >
> > >United was just a bunch of effing pr****! They would charge an oversize
> fee, a handling fee, and a bulk fee (WTH is a 'bulk fee'?). Needless to say
> I tried to avoid United as much as possible.
> > >
> > >Joe
> > >
> > >Thomas W. Judson wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>I just found a really useful website,
> > >>
> > >>http://www.ibike.org/encouragement/travel/bagregs.htm
> > >>
> > >>By the way, it is really easy to email the airlines by going to their
> websites. And they do respond, especially if you are a frequent flyer with
> elite status. If enough people complain, they might even drop their fees.
> > >>
> > >>Tom
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>_______________________________________________
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> > >>obra@list.obra.org
> > >>http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
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> > >>
> > >>
> > >
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Joe Cipale

Personally, if I can take the train, I will take the train. It may be slower, but it much more relaxing.

Joe

Rick C Johnson wrote:

> You all are just debating the symptoms of a diseased patient. The
> fundamental problem is that in America we basically have two choices
> when it comes to long distance transportation - drive your car or fly.
> Both require costly and inefficient infrastructure, both also require
> copious amounts of fuel. The US airline industry couldn't exist at all
> if it were not for government provided airports and air traffic control.
> The industry is being squeezed by economic factors and is in turn
> squeezing it's customers.
> Write all the emails you want - it's not going to change things one iota.
>
> Rick Johnson
> Bend, Oregon
>
> "Those who cannot remember the past, are condemned to repeat it" - George Santayana
>
>
>
> Joe Cipale wrote:
>
> >Throwing my two cents in -
> >I used to travel for work for 2-3 weeks at a time. I would always bring my bike in a Trico Ironman case. The best airlines to fly (late 90's-early 00's) were Alaska and Delta. The worst, and I mean WORST was United! Alaska would often waive the fee as the bike/case/helmet/shoes/cloor pump/other bomb materials would weigh less than 40 lbs. Delta would give me a surcharge of $25.00 becuase it was an odd shape.
> >
> >United was just a bunch of effing pr****! They would charge an oversize fee, a handling fee, and a bulk fee (WTH is a 'bulk fee'?). Needless to say I tried to avoid United as much as possible.
> >
> >Joe
> >
> >Thomas W. Judson wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>I just found a really useful website,
> >>
> >>http://www.ibike.org/encouragement/travel/bagregs.htm
> >>
> >>By the way, it is really easy to email the airlines by going to their websites. And they do respond, especially if you are a frequent flyer with elite status. If enough people complain, they might even drop their fees.
> >>
> >>Tom
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Rick C Johnson

You all are just debating the symptoms of a diseased patient. The
fundamental problem is that in America we basically have two choices
when it comes to long distance transportation - drive your car or fly.
Both require costly and inefficient infrastructure, both also require
copious amounts of fuel. The US airline industry couldn't exist at all
if it were not for government provided airports and air traffic control.
The industry is being squeezed by economic factors and is in turn
squeezing it's customers.
Write all the emails you want - it's not going to change things one iota.

Rick Johnson
Bend, Oregon

"Those who cannot remember the past, are condemned to repeat it" - George Santayana

Joe Cipale wrote:

>Throwing my two cents in -
>I used to travel for work for 2-3 weeks at a time. I would always bring my bike in a Trico Ironman case. The best airlines to fly (late 90's-early 00's) were Alaska and Delta. The worst, and I mean WORST was United! Alaska would often waive the fee as the bike/case/helmet/shoes/cloor pump/other bomb materials would weigh less than 40 lbs. Delta would give me a surcharge of $25.00 becuase it was an odd shape.
>
>United was just a bunch of effing pr****! They would charge an oversize fee, a handling fee, and a bulk fee (WTH is a 'bulk fee'?). Needless to say I tried to avoid United as much as possible.
>
>Joe
>
>Thomas W. Judson wrote:
>
>
>
>>I just found a really useful website,
>>
>>http://www.ibike.org/encouragement/travel/bagregs.htm
>>
>>By the way, it is really easy to email the airlines by going to their websites. And they do respond, especially if you are a frequent flyer with elite status. If enough people complain, they might even drop their fees.
>>
>>Tom
>>
>>
>>
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halfwheelhill@yahoo.com

Me and my wife travel with our bikes a few times a year and invested in a 2 bike case from triallthreesports.com. It has paid for itself two or three times by now. Now the delta guy at eugene airport knows us and has tried to screw us on weight limits, but I had to remind him that it wasn't over the weight limit of 100lbs. Always print their requirements off their website and have them with you just in case the person can't remember their own policy.

Scott

Scott
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Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Airline Baggage Fees
Sent: Jan 21, 2010 8:32 AM

Throwing my two cents in -
I used to travel for work for 2-3 weeks at a time. I would always bring my bike in a Trico Ironman case. The best airlines to fly (late 90's-early 00's) were Alaska and Delta. The worst, and I mean WORST was United! Alaska would often waive the fee as the bike/case/helmet/shoes/cloor pump/other bomb materials would weigh less than 40 lbs. Delta would give me a surcharge of $25.00 becuase it was an odd shape.

United was just a bunch of effing pr****! They would charge an oversize fee, a handling fee, and a bulk fee (WTH is a 'bulk fee'?). Needless to say I tried to avoid United as much as possible.

Joe

Thomas W. Judson wrote:

> I just found a really useful website,
>
> http://www.ibike.org/encouragement/travel/bagregs.htm
>
> By the way, it is really easy to email the airlines by going to their websites. And they do respond, especially if you are a frequent flyer with elite status. If enough people complain, they might even drop their fees.
>
> Tom
>
>
>
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Roger Joys

I can confirm US Air fees, and also state that the Spanish baggage handlers
treated my bike (in a Bike Pro case) with extreme care and consideration.

-r

Joe Cipale

Throwing my two cents in -
I used to travel for work for 2-3 weeks at a time. I would always bring my bike in a Trico Ironman case. The best airlines to fly (late 90's-early 00's) were Alaska and Delta. The worst, and I mean WORST was United! Alaska would often waive the fee as the bike/case/helmet/shoes/cloor pump/other bomb materials would weigh less than 40 lbs. Delta would give me a surcharge of $25.00 becuase it was an odd shape.

United was just a bunch of effing pr****! They would charge an oversize fee, a handling fee, and a bulk fee (WTH is a 'bulk fee'?). Needless to say I tried to avoid United as much as possible.

Joe

Thomas W. Judson wrote:

> I just found a really useful website,
>
> http://www.ibike.org/encouragement/travel/bagregs.htm
>
> By the way, it is really easy to email the airlines by going to their websites. And they do respond, especially if you are a frequent flyer with elite status. If enough people complain, they might even drop their fees.
>
> Tom
>
>
>
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Thomas W. Judson

I just found a really useful website,

http://www.ibike.org/encouragement/travel/bagregs.htm

By the way, it is really easy to email the airlines by going to their websites. And they do respond, especially if you are a frequent flyer with elite status. If enough people complain, they might even drop their fees.

Tom

Patrick

I'll second the statement Don made. I recently bought a Surly travelers check with a soft backpack case. No problems checking it as it easily meets the 62" and under 50 pound requirements. If you do quite a bit if traveling this is really the way to go. I've not ridden the Ritchey but so far I'm sold in S&S couplers.

I bought the Surly because I wanted something the airlines would be hardpressed to demolish. I've talked to a few of the local builders in town who are open to building a couplered bike as well

Cheers

Patrick Wilder,LCSW
AVP Quality & Compliance
Psychiatric Solutions,Inc.

On Jan 20, 2010, at 6:51 PM, "Thomas W. Judson" wrote:

Has anyone flown with a bicycle lately? I am taking a bicycle to Europe this summer and did some research that I thought that it might be worth sharing. Please double check before you buy a ticket as things change (and I may have misread some of the policies).

Delta now charges $175 each way for a bicycle on domestic flights and a whooping $300 each way on international flights (skis and golf clubs go for free). Fortunately, I am flying Air France this time and bicycles get checked as regular luggage on AF. However, this may not always be the case. The only way that this will change is if enough people write the airlines and express their displeasure.

Cheers,
Tom Judson

Airline Domestic International Note

Delta $175.00 $300.00 Oversized baggage 63–80 inches (161-203 cm) is 175 USD/CAD/EUR* each

United $175.00 $200.00 "If bicycle and container are less than 62 dimensional inches and under 50 lbs, the bike is charged the applicable baggage charge for the 1st checked bag"

Air France NC NC Checks as regular baggage

Continental $100.00 $100.00 "If bicycle and container are less than 62 dimensional inches and under 50 lbs, the bike is charged the applicable baggage charge for the 1st checked bag"

U.S. Air $100.00 $100.00 "If bicycle and container are less than 62 dimensional inches and under 50 lbs, the bike is charged the applicable baggage charge for the 1st checked bag"

American $100.00 $100.00 "If bicycle and container are less than 62 dimensional inches and under 50 lbs, the bike is charged the applicable baggage charge for the 1st checked bag"

British Air NC NC

Lufthansa $250.00 $250.00

KLM NC NC $200 if over 44 lbs

Alaska $50.00 $50.00 "Up to 62 in - No Fee, 63-80 in - $50, 81-115 in $75"

Jet Blue $50.00 $50.00

Virgin Atlantic NC NC

Southwest $50 $50 "If bicycle and container are less than 62 dimensional inches and under 50 lbs, the bike is charged the applicable baggage charge for the 1st checked bag"

Air Canada $50 $50

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Don Leet

This all happened in the last year or two. I bought a Ritchy break a way and it has paid for itself twice.
Don Leet
On Jan 20, 2010, at 4:51 PM, Thomas W. Judson wrote:

> Has anyone flown with a bicycle lately? I am taking a bicycle to Europe this summer and did some research that I thought that it might be worth sharing. Please double check before you buy a ticket as things change (and I may have misread some of the policies).
>
> Delta now charges $175 each way for a bicycle on domestic flights and a whooping $300 each way on international flights (skis and golf clubs go for free). Fortunately, I am flying Air France this time and bicycles get checked as regular luggage on AF. However, this may not always be the case. The only way that this will change is if enough people write the airlines and express their displeasure.
>
> Cheers,
> Tom Judson
>
> Airline Domestic International Note
>
> Delta $175.00 $300.00 Oversized baggage 63–80 inches (161-203 cm) is 175 USD/CAD/EUR* each
>
> United $175.00 $200.00 "If bicycle and container are less than 62 dimensional inches and under 50 lbs, the bike is charged the applicable baggage charge for the 1st checked bag"
>
> Air France NC NC Checks as regular baggage
>
> Continental $100.00 $100.00 "If bicycle and container are less than 62 dimensional inches and under 50 lbs, the bike is charged the applicable baggage charge for the 1st checked bag"
>
> U.S. Air $100.00 $100.00 "If bicycle and container are less than 62 dimensional inches and under 50 lbs, the bike is charged the applicable baggage charge for the 1st checked bag"
>
> American $100.00 $100.00 "If bicycle and container are less than 62 dimensional inches and under 50 lbs, the bike is charged the applicable baggage charge for the 1st checked bag"
>
> British Air NC NC
>
> Lufthansa $250.00 $250.00
>
> KLM NC NC $200 if over 44 lbs
>
> Alaska $50.00 $50.00 "Up to 62 in - No Fee, 63-80 in - $50, 81-115 in $75"
>
> Jet Blue $50.00 $50.00
>
> Virgin Atlantic NC NC
>
> Southwest $50 $50 "If bicycle and container are less than 62 dimensional inches and under 50 lbs, the bike is charged the applicable baggage charge for the 1st checked bag"
>
> Air Canada $50 $50
>
>
>
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Thomas W. Judson

Has anyone flown with a bicycle lately? I am taking a bicycle to Europe this summer and did some research that I thought that it might be worth sharing. Please double check before you buy a ticket as things change (and I may have misread some of the policies).

Delta now charges $175 each way for a bicycle on domestic flights and a whooping $300 each way on international flights (skis and golf clubs go for free). Fortunately, I am flying Air France this time and bicycles get checked as regular luggage on AF. However, this may not always be the case. The only way that this will change is if enough people write the airlines and express their displeasure.

Cheers,
Tom Judson

Airline Domestic International Note

Delta $175.00 $300.00 Oversized baggage 63–80 inches (161-203 cm) is 175 USD/CAD/EUR* each

United $175.00 $200.00 "If bicycle and container are less than 62 dimensional inches and under 50 lbs, the bike is charged the applicable baggage charge for the 1st checked bag"

Air France NC NC Checks as regular baggage

Continental $100.00 $100.00 "If bicycle and container are less than 62 dimensional inches and under 50 lbs, the bike is charged the applicable baggage charge for the 1st checked bag"

U.S. Air $100.00 $100.00 "If bicycle and container are less than 62 dimensional inches and under 50 lbs, the bike is charged the applicable baggage charge for the 1st checked bag"

American $100.00 $100.00 "If bicycle and container are less than 62 dimensional inches and under 50 lbs, the bike is charged the applicable baggage charge for the 1st checked bag"

British Air NC NC

Lufthansa $250.00 $250.00

KLM NC NC $200 if over 44 lbs

Alaska $50.00 $50.00 "Up to 62 in - No Fee, 63-80 in - $50, 81-115 in $75"

Jet Blue $50.00 $50.00

Virgin Atlantic NC NC

Southwest $50 $50 "If bicycle and container are less than 62 dimensional inches and under 50 lbs, the bike is charged the applicable baggage charge for the 1st checked bag"

Air Canada $50 $50