Shane Y. Gibson

Randy Dreiling wrote:

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Plus
when an advanced rider wins a big prize many times they just turn
around and sell it

You pay the Pro's money and give the prizes to the other level
racers.  

As a race promoter myself - I can attest to this.  Often your more
elite/pro/sponsored racers won't even be able to ride or use equipment
from competitors, as per their agreement with their promoters.  I often
saw the sponsored racers turn around and give away or sell equipment
that they won via raffles or prizing, because of that very issue.  



v/r

Shane

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Randy Dreiling

Hello

From an ex Mt Bike Promoters view...

It was always better to give the prizes like a bike to a JR, Sport (cat 3) or Beginner racer because the more advanced riders are FAR more likely to have sponsors and get free or discounted bikes. Plus when an advanced rider wins a big prize many times they just turn around and sell it, while lower level racer will keep and use that item. Picture this and trust me it happened...OBRA chat Monday after a race there is a post that reads I won X bike...I don't need it will sell or trade. Well many times X bike company has a rep that reads OBRA chat too and they think why the hell did I give the bike away just to have someone sell it.

You pay the Pro's money and give the prizes to the other level racers.

Randy Dreiling

Owner - Oregon Adventures www.oregon-adventures.com

Promoter - Mt Bike Oregon www.mtbikeoregon.com

________________________________
From: "Meadors, Ivan C"
To: Sabrina Savage ; Jeff Mitchem
Cc: "obra@list.obra.org"
Sent: Fri, February 26, 2010 3:06:51 PM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] how many women category 1-2 would race? 2010 Fuji Banana Belt Prize List

Just a question to ponder ...
and I have no vested interest in the women’s
prize list nor the ability to influence any changes
question: would more women show-up if the prize list were bigger?

As a data-point:
check the number of category 1-2 WOMEN competitors from last
year’s Banana Belt
there were a total of (16) competitors who showed up at one of
the three events,
but not all at the same time!!

Race day: 6 competitors
204 Pennington
207 Howe
213 Archer
227 Walsh
240 Peithman
208 Moon

Race day: 9 competitors
2730 Secrist
61 Butler
218 Cohen
2416 Pennington
452 Evans
244 Valentin
200 Hartkop
207 Howe
213 Archer

Race day: 6 competitors
207 Howe
2415 Moon
2414 Whitlatch
261 White
247 Fisk
262 Godfrey
+++++++++++ all (16) category 1-2 women competitors +++++
Archer
Butler
Cohen
Evans
Fisk
Godfrey
Hartkop
Howe
Moon
Peithman
Pennington
Secrist
Valentin
Walsh
White
Whitlatch


From:obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Sabrina
Savage
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 2:39 PM
To: Jeff Mitchem
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] 2010 Fuji Banana Belt Prize List

What about the women's 1/2 field!?

I'm new to the area and am a cat 1 and I see that the
women's cat 3 may win a bike? That's a super large prize!
But see no prize for women 1/2?

On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Jeff Mitchem wrote:
2010 Fuji Banana Belt
Prize List Udate

Women Category 3. 2010 Fuji Banana Belt Series winner gets a
full Fuji Women's Supreme RC bike! Plus additional payout in gift certificates,
cash, product and medals to be announced.

Men Category 3.
2010 Fuji Banana Belt Series winner gets a Fuji SST frameset. Plus additional
payout in gift certificates, cash, product and medals to be announced.

Men Category Pro/1/2. 2010 Fuji Banana Belt Series winner gets a
Fuji SST frameset. Plus additional payout in gift certificates, cash, product
and medals to be announced.

All other Categories. Payout includes gift
certificates, cash, product and medals to be announced.

Thanks to our generous sponsors

Fuji Bikes... www.fujibikes.com

Olson's Bicyclesin Forest Grove... http://olsonsbicycles.com/

Rapha... http://www.rapha.cc/


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Meadors, Ivan C

Just a question to ponder ...
and I have no vested interest in the women's prize list nor the ability to influence any changes
question: would more women show-up if the prize list were bigger?

As a data-point:
check the number of category 1-2 WOMEN competitors from last year's Banana Belt
there were a total of (16) competitors who showed up at one of the three events,
but not all at the same time!!

Race day: 6 competitors
204

Pennington

207

Howe

213

Archer

227

Walsh

240

Peithman

208

Moon

Race day: 9 competitors
2730

Secrist

61

Butler

218

Cohen

2416

Pennington

452

Evans

244

Valentin

200

Hartkop

207

Howe

213

Archer

Race day: 6 competitors
207

Howe

2415

Moon

2414

Whitlatch

261

White

247

Fisk

262

Godfrey

+++++++++++ all (16) category 1-2 women competitors +++++
Archer

Butler

Cohen

Evans

Fisk

Godfrey

Hartkop

Howe

Moon

Peithman

Pennington

Secrist

Valentin

Walsh

White

Whitlatch

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Sabrina Savage
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 2:39 PM
To: Jeff Mitchem
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] 2010 Fuji Banana Belt Prize List

What about the women's 1/2 field!?

I'm new to the area and am a cat 1 and I see that the women's cat 3 may win a bike? That's a super large prize!
But see no prize for women 1/2?

On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Jeff Mitchem > wrote:
2010 Fuji Banana Belt
Prize List Udate

Women Category 3. 2010 Fuji Banana Belt Series winner gets a full Fuji Women's Supreme RC bike! Plus additional payout in gift certificates, cash, product and medals to be announced.

Men Category 3. 2010 Fuji Banana Belt Series winner gets a Fuji SST frameset. Plus additional payout in gift certificates, cash, product and medals to be announced.

Men Category Pro/1/2. 2010 Fuji Banana Belt Series winner gets a Fuji SST frameset. Plus additional payout in gift certificates, cash, product and medals to be announced.

All other Categories. Payout includes gift certificates, cash, product and medals to be announced.

Thanks to our generous sponsors

Fuji Bikes... www.fujibikes.com

Olson's Bicycles in Forest Grove... http://olsonsbicycles.com/

Rapha... http://www.rapha.cc/

--
Jeff Mitchem
c.503.708.0056

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