Schedule Conflicts

mike.m-@obra.org

2002-06-11

Before this all degenerates into a Portland vs. the rest of the state

argument as Scott Goldstein insinuated I have to point out that in 2000 the

State Championships were in Medford with start times which began at 8:30,

requiring all the Portland riders to leave prior to 3:30 AM. In 2001 they

were south of Eugene with start times of 9:00. Perhaps it is time that the

event to be closer to where the majority of the racers live.



Since OBRA does designate an organizer for the State Championship we could

conceivably require that they put the race on a certain date with a specific

schedule. This would be workable IF there were a large number of potential

organizers knocking on our door begging to put on the State Road.

Unfortunately this is not the case.



With regards to scheduling, the only thing that OBRA can really do is let

race organizers know about other conflicting events. This way the

organizers get to decide for themselves. The race organizers are really the

ones that bear the burden of conflicts that decrease attendance at their

races, not the riders. If the organizer picks a schedule or a date that

conflicts with another event then their event we have fewer riders. It is

in their best interest to try to avoid conflicts, unless there are other

overriding concerns, which there often are. Many events are tied to a

specific date (Crawfish Crit due to the festival) or a specific time

schedule (State Roads due to train schedules). The organizer gets to make

these decisions, as well as the other decisions about what categories to

run, in what order to run them, etc. As is often the case, the riders need

to realize it is not really just all about them.



Mike Murray



Jim Anderson

2002-06-10

Just an FYI:



Candi starts doing the scheduling for events in August and September for the next year, so

scheduling is not a last minute thing.



Also race organizers are welcome to submit dates of their events early. A suggestion for current

organizers and want-to-be organizers is to submit dates of events early, like me! Most big events

schedule dates min. 2 years (ex. Rose Festival is set for the next 5yrs) in advance and there is no

reason why bike race organizers shouldn't look that far into the future!



-jim







Candi Murray/Oregon Bicycle Racing Assn wrote:



 There are 240 days of racing on the OBRA schedule without the cyclocross

races added in. There is bound to be some conflicts with

riders/families/holidays. Right now there is a race every day of the week

from June 13 to August 7. I am sorry that some the road race championships

are on the same day as the mtn bike championships. We have to do 16

categories and it is necessary to split these championships into 2 days, I'd

like to make you all happy but I can't. It just is not possible, you and I

have to make some choices.



I am sorry that the road race championships begin too early for you. We are

scheduling around 2 train crossings and want to avoid a possible train in

the middle of the race



You are welcome to try and do the scheduling



Candi



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Steve and Alli Jorgensen

2002-06-10

Candi,

As I have said before, I greatly appreciate all your hard work, since I know

there is NO WAY I could begin to have time to do what you do, let alone as

well. I know there will always be scheduling conflicts, and I will deal

with it. I would however mention that there are a number of OBRA riders out

there that are roadies and XC mtn bike racers. I don't know how many are

roadies and downhill mtn bikers, I'd guess a minority relatively speaking.

Therefore, if possible it would be nice if consideration were given to the

order of mtn bike race scheduling such that XC races are on days that, as

much as possible, don't conflict with road races, versus the downhill races.

For instance, looking down the schedule, the June 15/16, 29/30, and July

27/28 may have avoided this conflict. Other races were scheduled that did

avoid conflicts, and I appreciate that. I know that it is difficult to

coordinate, I only ask that you think about it. If my thinking is in the

minority then so be it, but if riders are trying to compete for BAR points,

and they are using mtn biking points (which I happen to think is more

indicative of an "overall" rider), it is tougher to do that rather than

relying just on the multiple road categories which don't seem to conflict as

much. Thanks.

Steve Jorgensen





----- Original Message -----

From: "Candi Murray/Oregon Bicycle Racing Assn" <cmur-@obra.org>

To: "obra" <ob-@topica.com>

Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 3:18 PM

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Schedule Conflicts





 There are 240 days of racing on the OBRA schedule without the cyclocross

races added in. There is bound to be some conflicts with

riders/families/holidays. Right now there is a race every day of the week

from June 13 to August 7. I am sorry that some the road race

championships

 are on the same day as the mtn bike championships. We have to do 16

categories and it is necessary to split these championships into 2 days,

I'd

 like to make you all happy but I can't. It just is not possible, you and I

have to make some choices.



I am sorry that the road race championships begin too early for you. We

are

 scheduling around 2 train crossings and want to avoid a possible train in

the middle of the race



You are welcome to try and do the scheduling



Candi



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Candi Murray/Oregon Bicycle Racing Assn

2002-06-10

There are 240 days of racing on the OBRA schedule without the cyclocross

races added in. There is bound to be some conflicts with

riders/families/holidays. Right now there is a race every day of the week

from June 13 to August 7. I am sorry that some the road race championships

are on the same day as the mtn bike championships. We have to do 16

categories and it is necessary to split these championships into 2 days, I'd

like to make you all happy but I can't. It just is not possible, you and I

have to make some choices.



I am sorry that the road race championships begin too early for you. We are

scheduling around 2 train crossings and want to avoid a possible train in

the middle of the race



You are welcome to try and do the scheduling



Candi