OBRA Petition

Dtbe-@aol.com

2000-05-30

Candice,



I have been following your petition and the responses, too to increase the amount of women in the sport of cycling. Your premise that states. "create it and they will follow" has been tryed, and ended up not working as well as it should.



Last year on the mtn. bike side we created the series and ran identical catagories for both the men and the women, with one modification after the series began. The modification was to combine the pro women or woman as the case ended up being (i.e. Jessica Cortell) with the Expert women. It was done to create some competition and share in the rewards for all the Pro/Ex women.



But in the other catagories, we provided an identical series for both the men and the women, and we had substaintally less numbers with the women fields through out than the mens fields. When compared one to one. However, the numbers of competitors in the womens fields were up more than in the past and we achieved our goal of getting more men and women involved in the sport of cycling. By that token the series was a great success. In 2000 it is my understanding that the numbers are increasing even more, which is great. The series was concieved with increasing dwindling numbers of competitors and creating unity among promoters as a couple of the primary goals.



I would like to inform you though that in the some of the older womens catagories we ran all year with absolutely no competitors in some of the fields. We did this at a substaintal loss and if I were to do it again in the future I would combine some of the catagories, to run a more fiscally sound series.



Contrary to what most people think, the profit margin in promoting is extremely narrow and the energy needs to be placed in areas where a promoter can insure the success of his/her event and the continued livehood of such event. I feel that be attempting to legislate how a promoter should run the catagories of a event is going to be counter productive and cause a lot of negative feelings from the competitors and the promoters. I can see that you are frustrated, or else you would not be pushing as adamately as you are to make this happen.



I would like to challenge you to get involved on the promotional side and adminstrative side of cycling before you make a strong push for this, so you can gain a better understanding of the promoters perspective. We all and I mean we all would like to see numbers increase in all venues of cycling, but by mandating someone do something that they're not doing to make a living at is just going to discourage present and future promoters. We need to foster and get more people out putting on races, we need to get better sponsorship $'s to be able to reach potiential untapped competitors to come out and race. We need to make this happen in the most positive and fun manner we can. After all this is supposed to be about something good, healthy, and fun. No more.



I feel that I have contributed enough to be entitled to make this observation and I would not be happy to say the least to have someone legislating to me how to promote my races, create my catagories, and so on. It's done by what is going to get the most people out to race, and to at minimum not loose any $'s. I don't know if you realize what the cost's involved would be to run empty or minimal catagories, on the road side or the mtn. bike side.



Cheers,

David Beede



John F. Forbes

2000-05-30

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Candace,

You seem to think that penalizing older masters will somehow increase =

women's participation. Believe me, those of us in the 50 + category are =

so thankful when, wonder of wonders, there is a category for us, heck, =

we're thankful when it's not a 35 + masters cat. What you propose would =

essentially make it far less likely that masters' races would ever be =

anything less than 35+. What promoter will take a chance? Why should =

they put together groups that might have 2 or three women but the =

equivalent male group have 15 or so. Instead, just run a larger group, =

one covering a much greater age range and take fewer chances. It's hard =

promoting races and the more groups one includes the more difficult it =

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I agree more women racing is desirable but let's find a more equitable =

way.

John F.

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Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 20:30:31 GMT

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   Hello, all. I sent a rough draft of a proposed petition to promote

   equality for women in cycle racing to Candi Murray to review and

   critique, and to my surprise, it went out to the entire OBRA membership.

   This being so, all of your feedback and criticisms are welcome. I had

   hoped to revise and print the petition to send hard copies to the races

   this weekend.

   

   Title 9 mandated equal opportunity for women in athletic programs

   receiving Federal support. This has had a tremendous effect on those

   sports generally available at a collegiate level, such as women's

   soccer, volleyball, and basketball, to name a few. Cycling is rarely

   available in colleges, rarely receives Federal dollars, and women's

   cycling has not made the great strides that many other women's sports

   have. The petition is to encourage OBRA to make voluntary Title 9 type

   changes to make opportunities in cycling more equally available to women

   and men, particularly at both ends of the age spectrum. We wished to

   propose changes that would be financially neutral to promoters, though

   in the long run increased participation will benefit promoters. We felt

   that, with the exception of some outstanding athletes, Juniors

   andSeniors and Masters are really doing different races, and providing

   separate categories for these broad age divisions would be a reasonable

   place to start.If there do not seem to be enough toatal racers to be

   financially feasible to have all categories, then we would like to see

   the same categories offered for women as for men. Both Masters

   categories offered or neither, both junior categories offered or

   neither. When subdividing the Masters fields, we would like to see

   promoters look at the total number of racers in a given Master's age

   category, and keep the category open for both men and women if the total

   number makes that reasonable, and if there are too few racers in a given

   age category, to combine age categories similarly for men and women. To

   avoid the embarrassing situation exemplified by the 75 yr old

   grandmother and her 5 yr old granddaughter showing up for all races,

   always coming in first and only in their respective categories and thus

   winning the BAR every year, an overall Master's race winner for men and

   for women was proposed. In addition, as Candi says, since an uncontested

   race is no fun for anyone, the revised petition states that no age-sex

   specific category with one or fewer racers need be maintained.

   

   We had hoped to have a petition that both men and women cyclists would

   support, and that both racers and promoters would find non-threatening.

   We can wait for enough women cyclists to vote with their entry fees, but

   experience with Title 9 has taught that young women are more likely to

   enter sports that support women equally with men, and that participation

   increases by orders of magnitude more rapidly if opportunity is provided

   first. I do not race much, but at every race I attend I hear about

   friends of racers who would race if there were appropriate women's age

   categories for them. Significant change in numbers often lags a few

   years behind change in opportunity, but we need to start sometime! We

   would like to see cycle racing in Oregon continue to be a training

   ground for national and world class athletes, and in addition be a

   competitive sport which can be enjoyed by both men and women past the

   age of Olympic fantasies.

   

   My apologies to all of you with no interest at all in this topic who

   received this email. My thanks to all of you who have emailed back your

   support!

   

   ADD: I was just forwarded the full text of Candi's response--apparently

   I am not on the main distribution list so it did not come to me

   directly. Her criticisms are well taken. Candi, as everyone knows, has

   probably done more for bicycle racing in Oregon than any other single

   person. Her encouragement and support are one of the main reasons I

   still show up.She also has more knowledge and experience with racing and

   promoting than I will have in three lifetimes, so her criticisms have

   the weight of both experience and authority. Nevertheless,looking at

   the broader picture of women in sports, I still believe we can support

   equivalent racing categories for men and women without creating a

   negative impact on promoters or cycle racing in general. Comments

   welcome. Please copy me in --candac-@kp.org.

   



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