OBRA: OBRA Chat: West side ride/meet locatio...

Santos Joe

2010-04-14

I thought I would throw this out there for some perspective. There
has been a lot of talk about "Chief" Whitehead. Keep in mind there
are TWO cops in North Plains. The Chief and a second officer (who I
guess would be the assistant chief). I think this place is more of he
good ol' boy system with respect to the Mayor and the council, I don't
think what little noise we could make would really matter. Besides
I've been riding out there for years an have yet to even see a No Pla
copper.

J
On Apr 13, 2010, at 8:50 PM, G Magnus wrote:

> So couple things on this subject. First Chief Whiteheads attitude
> towards cyclists obviously sucks, there was an email that he
> responded to an OBRA member a year or two ago where he was cursing
> in the email....this is clearly not a sign of a very professional
> person nor someting an LEO especially a Chief should be doing. I
> still wait for the day I get stopped out there for not putting a
> foot down when I track stand at the stop sign. Second, I don't live
> in North Plains, nor do I really know of anyone that lives out
> there, here lies the problem. The Chief and his department respond
> to the mayor and council, they in turn respond to the voting
> public. If the public that lives there makes enough noise about not
> citing cyclists then most likely the amount of targeting cyclists
> should reduce. If they don't care that we cyclists get chippy
> tickets that support the local government, well sucks to be us. And
> honestly a lot of the folks in rural Washington County really don't
> like us out there and those attitudes are passed on the NP PD and
> WCSO deputies out there.
> Now even though I and most of you don't live there we can certainly
> make an argument that if North Plains were more bicycle friendly all
> of us might wish to stop in there and pay patronage to the local
> businesses thus helping the economy. But then again maybe they just
> don't want us there and thats their loss.
>
> I do like the idea of the law abiding ride through town for 50 miles
> that would just make Chief Whitehead steam and fume, heck invite the
> mayor and council to come a long that would hillarious!!!
>
> Gregg
>
> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 19:27:07 -0700
> From: debrawindus@yahoo.com
> To: rachaeljparker@verizon.net; ivan.c.meadors@intel.com; rondot@spiritone.com
> CC: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] West side ride/meet location option
>
> I agree with Ron. North Plains has obviously been making a policy
> of targeting cyclists for years. You may reply to the charge and go
> to traffic school and end up paying less than the original charge,
> but if you don't have time to do that you are SOL. North Plains has
> funded their new community center and who knows what other programs
> by targeting cyclists in their neighborhood. The better way is to
> offer hospitality, bike parking, and discounts to friendly folks
> passing through.
>
> --- On Tue, 4/13/10, Ron and Dorothy Strasser
> wrote:
>
> From: Ron and Dorothy Strasser
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] West side ride/meet location option
> To: "Rachael Parker" , "Meadors, Ivan C"
>
> Cc: obra@list.obra.org
> Date: Tuesday, April 13, 2010, 7:19 PM
>
> I think I will NOT ride out that way. The police force does not
> sound as if they are at peace with themselves (or cyclists). I will
> avoid the area. Let them live "in (what seems to me) their
> unhappiness". I will take "my happiness" somewhere else. My life
> is fine without North Plains. But I do say. Most police officers
> are people trying to help society. I respect them in general. Like
> any profession, there are good and not so good humans. These
> officers seem to be wallowing in the not so good.
> ronnie
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rachael Parker" >
> To: "Meadors, Ivan C"
> Cc: "Ron and Dorothy Strasser" ; "Rod
> Underhill" ;
> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 2:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] West side ride/meet location option
>
>
> > I had an odd thought. Do you think maybe the NP police have set a
> goal to not have any cycling fatalities in their town?
> >
> > - Rachael
> >
> > On Apr 13, 2010, at 10:12 AM, "Meadors, Ivan C" > > wrote:
> >
> >> And if you ride near North Plains, don't forget to stop ...
> >>
> >> ... at the stop signs!!
> >> The police are still aggressively ticketing cyclists
> >> (and supposedly automobiles) within their jurisdiction.
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Rod Underhill" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 7:12 AM
> >> Subject: [OBRA Chat] West side ride/meet location option
> >> ATTENTION OBRA CYCLISTS!
> >>
> >> FOR YOUR NEXT CORNELIUS PASS/NORTH PLAINS RIDE,
> >> EDGE DEVELOPMENT IS INVITING OBRA MEMBERS TO PARK AND RIDE AT
> THE SITE ON
> >> THE SW CORNER OF WEST UNION ROAD & CORNELIUS PASS. (THE FORMER
> LOCATION
> >> OF SWEET OREGON GRILL)
> >>
> >> PARK THE CAR, ENJOY YOUR RIDE AND RELAX WITH A FRESH CUP OF
> COFFEE AT JAVA
> >> JOLT!
> >>
> >>
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G Magnus

2010-04-14

So couple things on this subject. First Chief Whiteheads attitude towards cyclists obviously sucks, there was an email that he responded to an OBRA member a year or two ago where he was cursing in the email....this is clearly not a sign of a very professional person nor someting an LEO especially a Chief should be doing. I still wait for the day I get stopped out there for not putting a foot down when I track stand at the stop sign. Second, I don't live in North Plains, nor do I really know of anyone that lives out there, here lies the problem. The Chief and his department respond to the mayor and council, they in turn respond to the voting public. If the public that lives there makes enough noise about not citing cyclists then most likely the amount of targeting cyclists should reduce. If they don't care that we cyclists get chippy tickets that support the local government, well sucks to be us. And honestly a lot of the folks in rural Washington County really don't like us out there and those attitudes are passed on the NP PD and WCSO deputies out there.

Now even though I and most of you don't live there we can certainly make an argument that if North Plains were more bicycle friendly all of us might wish to stop in there and pay patronage to the local businesses thus helping the economy. But then again maybe they just don't want us there and thats their loss.

I do like the idea of the law abiding ride through town for 50 miles that would just make Chief Whitehead steam and fume, heck invite the mayor and council to come a long that would hillarious!!!

Gregg

Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 19:27:07 -0700
From: debrawindus@yahoo.com
To: rachaeljparker@verizon.net; ivan.c.meadors@intel.com; rondot@spiritone.com
CC: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] West side ride/meet location option

I agree with Ron. North Plains has obviously been making a policy of targeting cyclists for years. You may reply to the charge and go to traffic school and end up paying less than the original charge, but if you don't have time to do that you are SOL. North Plains has funded their new community center and who knows what other programs by targeting cyclists in their neighborhood. The better way is to offer hospitality, bike parking, and discounts to friendly folks passing through.

--- On Tue, 4/13/10, Ron and Dorothy Strasser wrote:

From: Ron and Dorothy Strasser
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] West side ride/meet location option
To: "Rachael Parker" , "Meadors, Ivan C"
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Date: Tuesday, April 13, 2010, 7:19 PM

I think I will NOT ride out that way. The police force does not sound as if they are at peace with themselves (or cyclists). I will avoid the area. Let them live "in (what seems to me) their unhappiness". I will take "my happiness" somewhere else. My life is fine without North Plains. But I do say. Most police officers are people trying to help society. I respect them in general. Like any profession, there are good and not so good humans. These officers seem to be wallowing in the not so good.
ronnie
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rachael Parker"
To: "Meadors, Ivan C"
Cc: "Ron and Dorothy Strasser" ; "Rod Underhill" ;
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] West side ride/meet location option

> I had an odd thought. Do you think maybe the NP police have set a goal to not have any cycling fatalities in their town?
>
> - Rachael
>
> On Apr 13, 2010, at 10:12 AM, "Meadors, Ivan C" > wrote:
>
>> And if you ride near North Plains, don't forget to stop ...
>>
>> ... at the stop signs!!
>> The police are still aggressively ticketing cyclists
>> (and supposedly automobiles) within their jurisdiction.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Rod Underhill" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 7:12 AM
>> Subject: [OBRA Chat] West side ride/meet location option
>> ATTENTION OBRA CYCLISTS!
>>
>> FOR YOUR NEXT CORNELIUS PASS/NORTH PLAINS RIDE,
>> EDGE DEVELOPMENT IS INVITING OBRA MEMBERS TO PARK AND RIDE AT THE SITE ON
>> THE SW CORNER OF WEST UNION ROAD & CORNELIUS PASS. (THE FORMER LOCATION
>> OF SWEET OREGON GRILL)
>>
>> PARK THE CAR, ENJOY YOUR RIDE AND RELAX WITH A FRESH CUP OF COFFEE AT JAVA
>> JOLT!
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> obra@list.obra.org
>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>

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Debra Windus

2010-04-14

I agree with Ron. North Plains has obviously been making a policy of targeting cyclists for years. You may reply to the charge and go to traffic school and end up paying less than the original charge, but if you don't have time to do that you are SOL. North Plains has funded their new community center and who knows what other programs by targeting cyclists in their neighborhood. The better way is to offer hospitality, bike parking, and discounts to friendly folks passing through.

--- On Tue, 4/13/10, Ron and Dorothy Strasser wrote:

From: Ron and Dorothy Strasser
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] West side ride/meet location option
To: "Rachael Parker" , "Meadors, Ivan C"
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Date: Tuesday, April 13, 2010, 7:19 PM

I think I will NOT ride out that way. The police force does not sound as if they are at peace with themselves (or cyclists). I will avoid the area. Let them live "in (what seems to me) their unhappiness". I will take "my happiness" somewhere else. My life is fine without North Plains. But I do say. Most police officers are people trying to help society. I respect them in general. Like any profession, there are good and not so good humans. These officers seem to be wallowing in the not so good.
ronnie
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rachael Parker"
To: "Meadors, Ivan C"
Cc: "Ron and Dorothy Strasser" ; "Rod Underhill" ;
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] West side ride/meet location option

> I had an odd thought. Do you think maybe the NP police have set a goal to not have any cycling fatalities in their town?
>
> - Rachael
>
> On Apr 13, 2010, at 10:12 AM, "Meadors, Ivan C" > wrote:
>
>> And if you ride near North Plains, don't forget to stop ...
>>
>> ... at the stop signs!!
>> The police are still aggressively ticketing cyclists
>> (and supposedly automobiles) within their jurisdiction.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Rod Underhill" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 7:12 AM
>> Subject: [OBRA Chat] West side ride/meet location option
>> ATTENTION OBRA CYCLISTS!
>>
>> FOR YOUR NEXT CORNELIUS PASS/NORTH PLAINS RIDE,
>> EDGE DEVELOPMENT IS INVITING OBRA MEMBERS TO PARK AND RIDE AT THE SITE ON
>> THE SW CORNER OF WEST UNION ROAD & CORNELIUS PASS. (THE FORMER LOCATION
>> OF SWEET OREGON GRILL)
>>
>> PARK THE CAR, ENJOY YOUR RIDE AND RELAX WITH A FRESH CUP OF COFFEE AT JAVA
>> JOLT!
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> OBRA mailing list
>> obra@list.obra.org
>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>

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Ron and Dorothy Strasser

2010-04-14

I think I will NOT ride out that way. The police force does not sound as if
they are at peace with themselves (or cyclists). I will avoid the area.
Let them live "in (what seems to me) their unhappiness". I will take "my
happiness" somewhere else. My life is fine without North Plains. But I do
say. Most police officers are people trying to help society. I respect
them in general. Like any profession, there are good and not so good
humans. These officers seem to be wallowing in the not so good.
ronnie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rachael Parker"
To: "Meadors, Ivan C"
Cc: "Ron and Dorothy Strasser" ; "Rod Underhill"
;
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] West side ride/meet location option

>I had an odd thought. Do you think maybe the NP police have set a goal to
>not have any cycling fatalities in their town?
>
> - Rachael
>
> On Apr 13, 2010, at 10:12 AM, "Meadors, Ivan C" > wrote:
>
>> And if you ride near North Plains, don't forget to stop ...
>>
>> ... at the stop signs!!
>> The police are still aggressively ticketing cyclists
>> (and supposedly automobiles) within their jurisdiction.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Rod Underhill" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 7:12 AM
>> Subject: [OBRA Chat] West side ride/meet location option
>> ATTENTION OBRA CYCLISTS!
>>
>> FOR YOUR NEXT CORNELIUS PASS/NORTH PLAINS RIDE,
>> EDGE DEVELOPMENT IS INVITING OBRA MEMBERS TO PARK AND RIDE AT THE SITE
>> ON
>> THE SW CORNER OF WEST UNION ROAD & CORNELIUS PASS. (THE FORMER LOCATION
>> OF SWEET OREGON GRILL)
>>
>> PARK THE CAR, ENJOY YOUR RIDE AND RELAX WITH A FRESH CUP OF COFFEE AT
>> JAVA
>> JOLT!
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> OBRA mailing list
>> obra@list.obra.org
>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>

Mark J. Ginsberg

2010-04-13

speeding is different than not having a speedometer.

Mark

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From: "brispear@comcast.net"
To: Obra
Sent: Tue, April 13, 2010 3:38:27 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] West side ride/meet location option

I was under the impression that a speeding ticket handed out to a cyclist would never stand up in court as a speedometer is not required equipment on a bicycle.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rachael Parker"
To: "Jess Mace"
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 2:52:18 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] West side ride/meet location option

Yeah, he got me the other day for exceeding the speed limit.

- Rachael

On Apr 13, 2010, at 11:07 AM, Jess Mace wrote:

>
>>
>I’ve been on the receiving end of the Sheriff’s bullhorn…not a
>good place to be when he’s yelling so loudly he turns red.
>It’s not only stop signs….its riding in a tight double paceline through
>town that’ll draw his ire as well…
>
>
>
>>
>Jess Mace, MPH, CCRP
>Clinical Outcomes Research - Oregon Sinus Center
>Department of Otolaryngology - Head and Neck Surgery
>Oregon Health & Science University
>503.494.5886
>
>>
>>
>From:obra-bounces@list.obra.org >[mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Buck, Jeffrey A
>Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 11:01 AM
>To: Martin Baker; Meadors, Ivan C
>Cc: obra@list.obra.org
>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] West side ride/meet location option
>
>Ah yes, “The Stop Signs of North Plains”. Wasn’t that a movie
>staring Clint Eastwood and Meryl Streep? And although very good, we seem
>to have to watch it every year.
>
>I think we should organize a ride, that stays totally within North
>Plains. 25-50 miler so it doesn’t get too boring. Stop at every
>stop sign. Many times. Drive him crazy. Have to make sure it
>is not his day off. De Ronde North Plains? Hell of the Westside?
>
>My platform, when I run for Mayor of North Plains, will be to take
>the NP police cars and trade them in on bikes. Let the police ride them
>around. They will be in better shape and won’t need as much money to keep
>the city running. And then we can point at them and laugh, when they run
>“The Stop Signs of North Plains”, cause they didn’t want to unclip.
>
>>
>>
________________________________
>
>From:obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Martin
>Baker
>Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 10:26 AM
>To: Meadors, Ivan C
>Cc: obra@list.obra.org
>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] West side ride/meet location option
>
>>
>This!
>>
>
>>
>As I was approaching the
>Shadybrook/West Union/Glencoe intersection on my way home from Hornings on
>Sunday, I noticed the North Plains police sitting on Shadybrook with a good
>view of the intesection. Was he busting speeders? No. Busting cars rolling
>through the stop sign? No. Busting cyclists rolling through the stop sign? You
>betcha! This guy has it out for cyclists - no doubt in my mind.
>>
>On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Meadors, Ivan C wrote:
>And if you ride near North Plains, don't forget to stop
> ...
>
>> ... at the stop signs!!
>>The police are still aggressively ticketing cyclists
>>(and supposedly automobiles) within their jurisdiction.
>>
>>
>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Rod Underhill" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 7:12 AM
>>Subject: [OBRA Chat] West side ride/meet location option
>> ATTENTION OBRA CYCLISTS!
>
>> FOR YOUR NEXT CORNELIUS PASS/NORTH PLAINS RIDE,
>> EDGE DEVELOPMENT IS INVITING OBRA MEMBERS TO PARK AND RIDE AT THE SITE ON
>> THE SW CORNER OF WEST UNION ROAD & CORNELIUS PASS. (THE FORMER
>LOCATION
>> OF SWEET OREGON GRILL)
>
>> PARK THE CAR, ENJOY YOUR RIDE AND RELAX WITH A FRESH CUP OF COFFEE AT
>JAVA
>> JOLT!
>
>
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brispear@comcast.net

2010-04-13

I was under the impression that a speeding ticket handed out to a cyclist would never stand up in court as a speedometer is not required equipment on a bicycle.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rachael Parker"
To: "Jess Mace"
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 2:52:18 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] West side ride/meet location option

Yeah, he got me the other day for exceeding the speed limit.

- Rachael

On Apr 13, 2010, at 11:07 AM, Jess Mace < macej@ohsu.edu > wrote:

I’ve been on the receiving end of the Sheriff’s bullhorn…not a good place to be when he’s yelling so loudly he turns red.

It’s not only stop signs….its riding in a tight double paceline through town that’ll draw his ire as well…

Jess Mace, MPH, CCRP

Clinical Outcomes Research - Oregon Sinus Center

Department of Otolaryngology - Head and Neck Surgery

Oregon Health & Science University

503.494.5886

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Buck, Jeffrey A
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 11:01 AM
To: Martin Baker; Meadors, Ivan C
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] West side ride/meet location option

Ah yes, “The Stop Signs of North Plains”. Wasn’t that a movie staring Clint Eastwood and Meryl Streep? And although very good, we seem to have to watch it every year.

I think we should organize a ride, that stays totally within North Plains. 25-50 miler so it doesn’t get too boring. Stop at every stop sign. Many times. Drive him crazy. Have to make sure it is not his day off. De Ronde North Plains? Hell of the Westside?

My platform, when I run for Mayor of North Plains, will be to take the NP police cars and trade them in on bikes. Let the police ride them around. They will be in better shape and won’t need as much money to keep the city running. And then we can point at them and laugh, when they run “The Stop Signs of North Plains”, cause they didn’t want to unclip.

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Martin Baker
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 10:26 AM
To: Meadors, Ivan C
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] West side ride/meet location option

This!

As I was approaching the Shadybrook/West Union/Glencoe intersection on my way home from Hornings on Sunday, I noticed the North Plains police sitting on Shadybrook with a good view of the intesection. Was he busting speeders? No. Busting cars rolling through the stop sign? No. Busting cyclists rolling through the stop sign? You betcha! This guy has it out for cyclists - no doubt in my mind.

On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Meadors, Ivan C < ivan.c.meadors@intel.com > wrote:

And if you ride near North Plains, don't forget to stop ...

... at the stop signs!!
The police are still aggressively ticketing cyclists
(and supposedly automobiles) within their jurisdiction.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rod Underhill" < rodunderhill@comcast.net
To: < obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 7:12 AM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] West side ride/meet location option
ATTENTION OBRA CYCLISTS!

FOR YOUR NEXT CORNELIUS PASS/NORTH PLAINS RIDE,
EDGE DEVELOPMENT IS INVITING OBRA MEMBERS TO PARK AND RIDE AT THE SITE ON
THE SW CORNER OF WEST UNION ROAD & CORNELIUS PASS. (THE FORMER LOCATION
OF SWEET OREGON GRILL)

PARK THE CAR, ENJOY YOUR RIDE AND RELAX WITH A FRESH CUP OF COFFEE AT JAVA
JOLT!

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eric aldinger

2010-04-13

Portand responded that way to several fatal cycling accidents a few years
back. They increased the number of officers citing cyclist for moving
violations.

On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 2:55 PM, Rachael Parker
wrote:

> I had an odd thought. Do you think maybe the NP police have set a goal to
> not have any cycling fatalities in their town?
>
> - Rachael
>
>
> On Apr 13, 2010, at 10:12 AM, "Meadors, Ivan C"
> wrote:
>
> And if you ride near North Plains, don't forget to stop ...
>>
>> ... at the stop signs!!
>> The police are still aggressively ticketing cyclists
>> (and supposedly automobiles) within their jurisdiction.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Rod Underhill" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 7:12 AM
>> Subject: [OBRA Chat] West side ride/meet location option
>> ATTENTION OBRA CYCLISTS!
>>
>> FOR YOUR NEXT CORNELIUS PASS/NORTH PLAINS RIDE,
>> EDGE DEVELOPMENT IS INVITING OBRA MEMBERS TO PARK AND RIDE AT THE SITE ON
>> THE SW CORNER OF WEST UNION ROAD & CORNELIUS PASS. (THE FORMER LOCATION
>> OF SWEET OREGON GRILL)
>>
>> PARK THE CAR, ENJOY YOUR RIDE AND RELAX WITH A FRESH CUP OF COFFEE AT JAVA
>> JOLT!
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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Rachael Parker

2010-04-13

I had an odd thought. Do you think maybe the NP police have set a goal
to not have any cycling fatalities in their town?

- Rachael

On Apr 13, 2010, at 10:12 AM, "Meadors, Ivan C" wrote:

> And if you ride near North Plains, don't forget to stop ...
>
> ... at the stop signs!!
> The police are still aggressively ticketing cyclists
> (and supposedly automobiles) within their jurisdiction.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rod Underhill" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 7:12 AM
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] West side ride/meet location option
> ATTENTION OBRA CYCLISTS!
>
> FOR YOUR NEXT CORNELIUS PASS/NORTH PLAINS RIDE,
> EDGE DEVELOPMENT IS INVITING OBRA MEMBERS TO PARK AND RIDE AT THE
> SITE ON
> THE SW CORNER OF WEST UNION ROAD & CORNELIUS PASS. (THE FORMER
> LOCATION
> OF SWEET OREGON GRILL)
>
> PARK THE CAR, ENJOY YOUR RIDE AND RELAX WITH A FRESH CUP OF COFFEE
> AT JAVA
> JOLT!
>
>
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Rachael Parker

2010-04-13

Yeah, he got me the other day for exceeding the speed limit.

- Rachael

On Apr 13, 2010, at 11:07 AM, Jess Mace wrote:

> I’ve been on the receiving end of the Sheriff’s bullhorn…not a
> good place to be when he’s yelling so loudly he turns red.
>
> It’s not only stop signs….its riding in a tight double paceline
> through town that’ll draw his ire as well…
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Jess Mace, MPH, CCRP
>
> Clinical Outcomes Research - Oregon Sinus Center
>
> Department of Otolaryngology - Head and Neck Surgery
>
> Oregon Health & Science University
>
> 503.494.5886
>
>
>
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
> On Behalf Of Buck, Jeffrey A
> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 11:01 AM
> To: Martin Baker; Meadors, Ivan C
> Cc: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] West side ride/meet location option
>
>
>
> Ah yes, “The Stop Signs of North Plains”. Wasn’t that a movie
> staring Clint Eastwood and Meryl Streep? And although very good, we
> seem to have to watch it every year.
>
>
>
> I think we should organize a ride, that stays totally within North
> Plains. 25-50 miler so it doesn’t get too boring. Stop at every st
> op sign. Many times. Drive him crazy. Have to make sure it is not
> his day off. De Ronde North Plains? Hell of the Westside?
>
>
>
> My platform, when I run for Mayor of North Plains, will be to take
> the NP police cars and trade them in on bikes. Let the police ride
> them around. They will be in better shape and won’t need as much mo
> ney to keep the city running. And then we can point at them and lau
> gh, when they run “The Stop Signs of North Plains”, cause they
> didn’t want to unclip.
>
>
>
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
> On Behalf Of Martin Baker
> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 10:26 AM
> To: Meadors, Ivan C
> Cc: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] West side ride/meet location option
>
>
>
> This!
>
>
>
> As I was approaching the Shadybrook/West Union/Glencoe intersection
> on my way home from Hornings on Sunday, I noticed the North Plains
> police sitting on Shadybrook with a good view of the intesection.
> Was he busting speeders? No. Busting cars rolling through the stop
> sign? No. Busting cyclists rolling through the stop sign? You
> betcha! This guy has it out for cyclists - no doubt in my mind.
>
> On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Meadors, Ivan C > wrote:
>
> And if you ride near North Plains, don't forget to stop ...
>
> ... at the stop signs!!
> The police are still aggressively ticketing cyclists
> (and supposedly automobiles) within their jurisdiction.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rod Underhill" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 7:12 AM
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] West side ride/meet location option
> ATTENTION OBRA CYCLISTS!
>
> FOR YOUR NEXT CORNELIUS PASS/NORTH PLAINS RIDE,
> EDGE DEVELOPMENT IS INVITING OBRA MEMBERS TO PARK AND RIDE AT THE
> SITE ON
> THE SW CORNER OF WEST UNION ROAD & CORNELIUS PASS. (THE FORMER
> LOCATION
> OF SWEET OREGON GRILL)
>
> PARK THE CAR, ENJOY YOUR RIDE AND RELAX WITH A FRESH CUP OF COFFEE
> AT JAVA
> JOLT!
>
>
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Brady Brady

2010-04-13

We should all move to North Plains. Clearly it must be the safest place on the planet, as the officers have nothing more serious to pursue.

Brady Brady
SAS Financial Services Business Unit
brady.brady@sas.com
Office: 919.531.9767
Mobile: 503.545.2110

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Tim Schauer
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 2:09 PM
To: 'shane.young@comcast.net'; Martin Baker
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] West side ride/meet location option

My North Plains Drifter story…

This is an old incident that actually got some coverage in the Oregonian and a LOT of OBRA chat emails but I thought I’d just share it again.

Two teammates and I got “stop sign violation” tickets at that four-way stop…from Chief Whitehead of North Plains. Each ticket was $335. Ouch! We asked for a hearing to protest. We made our case (which would have likely held up on appeal to Washington County) but said appeal would have cost us another $275 to file. We would have had to pay the appeal fee and then take more time off work to go to the appeal. Now, had we won we would have gotten all our money back, but the point of my story is that (in my experience) North Plains is not a very “flexible or friendly” place for cyclists. If you must ride your bike though there I advise stopping at all stop signs. Getting off your bike. Doing two pushups to prove you stopped. Then proceed.

Our situation was that probably one of us rolled the stop, one of us made a near stop and one of us stopped. No one put a foot down. But we all got tickets.

Curiously….Later, I did hear that someone successfully proved he did stop by submitting Garmin GPS data with a time stamp to prove he was at zero MPH at that location.

Be careful out there….in North Plains…

-Tim Schauer

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of shane.young@comcast.net
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 1:00 PM
To: Martin Baker
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] West side ride/meet location option

He actaully busted a car on Sunday. Saw it with my own two eyes. I think they weren't doing 35 the moment the speed limit changed.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Baker"
To: "Ivan C Meadors"
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 10:25:50 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] West side ride/meet location option
This!

As I was approaching the Shadybrook/West Union/Glencoe intersection on my way home from Hornings on Sunday, I noticed the North Plains police sitting on Shadybrook with a good view of the intesection. Was he busting speeders? No. Busting cars rolling through the stop sign? No. Busting cyclists rolling through the stop sign? You betcha! This guy has it out for cyclists - no doubt in my mind.
On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Meadors, Ivan C > wrote:
And if you ride near North Plains, don't forget to stop ...

... at the stop signs!!
The police are still aggressively ticketing cyclists
(and supposedly automobiles) within their jurisdiction.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rod Underhill"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 7:12 AM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] West side ride/meet location option
ATTENTION OBRA CYCLISTS!

FOR YOUR NEXT CORNELIUS PASS/NORTH PLAINS RIDE,
EDGE DEVELOPMENT IS INVITING OBRA MEMBERS TO PARK AND RIDE AT THE SITE ON
THE SW CORNER OF WEST UNION ROAD & CORNELIUS PASS. (THE FORMER LOCATION
OF SWEET OREGON GRILL)

PARK THE CAR, ENJOY YOUR RIDE AND RELAX WITH A FRESH CUP OF COFFEE AT JAVA
JOLT!

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