Kenny Graham

Group hug y'all!

Karsten Hagen wrote:

>If I wanted to call an OBRA boycott on every dump truck company, school bus
>driver, redneck or furniture delivery truck that ever cut me off or made a
>rude gesture, the following would happen:
>
>-There'd be piles of garbage in front of all OBRA houses
>-Our kids would need to walk to school
>-Rednecks would redirect their anger at little bunnies
>-OBRA members would never get their new Laz-e-Boys delivered.
>
>Think of the little bunnies!
>
>Karsten
>
>
>On 5/3/10 10:08 AM, "Kenny Graham" wrote:
>
>> Unless all of were there to witness this, its not fair to take side or try to
>> ruin someone's business.
>
>Let's just take the high road and understand
>> everyone makes mistakes and love each other as people and
>> cyclists.
>
>Kenny
>
>Phreadi wrote:
>
>>I wouldn't.
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 8:40 AM, Lisa Winchester
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'd like to hear what Michael, the fellow that wrote the original e-mail,
>>>> has to say about this e-mail.
>>>>
>>>> ~Lisa Winchester
>>>> __o "It never gets easier,
>>>> _ \<_ you just go faster."
>>>> (_)/(_) -- Greg LeMond
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 06:56:24 -0700
>>>>> From: romanphotography@comcast.net
>>>>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>>>>> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Photographer to avoid
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> To all Cyclists that sent me an e-mail~
>>>>>
>>>>> This morning I had a rather unpleasant meeting with one of your fellow
>>>> cyclists. Let me give you some background information so you understand what
>>>> was going on. I was photographing for the Eugene Marathon, I was at mile
>>>> post 3 and 6, and had to quickly get tot he finish line as part of my
>>>> assignment. The past 2 days I have had to get up at 5:30 am, and I am not an
>>>> early riser. And quite frankly I was exhausted. All the roads leading to the
>>>> marathon were closed, and I had to find my way to Hayward field. There were
>>>> no places to park, I was franticly looking everywhere, but nothing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then I looked to the right and there it was a space, I knew there were no
>>>> cars behind me, but I obviously never saw the bike. It was clearly my fault,
>>>> i take responsibility IF I cut him off, I say IF because I never saw that I
>>>> did it. I just had a guy screaming at me. Now, anyone that knows me, knows I
>>>> would be the FIRST one to apologize if I screwed up. But the only thing I
>>>> heard was a VERY angry voice screaming obscenities at me. I even stopped
>>>> from pulling all the way in as I was confused on what happened. As I got out
>>>> of the truck the verbal lashing continued, I quickly wondered if this was
>>>> going to get physical. My disposition changed, and I was no longer
>>>> interested in what he had to say. Had he given me the opportunity to say I'm
>>>> sorry I didn't see you, it could have ended much better. Instead a passerby
>>>> yelled at him to watch his words because there were kids around.
>>>>>
>>>>> I come from a rough childhood and I don't take people yelling at me very
>>>> well, I just get defensive. My parting words to him was to watch where he
>>>> was going.... which was wrong, but bikes don't own the road either. Streets
>>>> were designed for automobiles, and driving alongside of them may not be a
>>>> good idea. If you were in a bike lane, or an area designated for bikes,
>>>> perhaps I would have been more aware.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now I am also a bike rider, and when I ride with my kids, I always tell
>>>> them to watch for cars, and always assume they don't see you. Logically one
>>>> on a bike is smaller in size and therefore smaller to see, especially if it
>>>> is in your blind spot.
>>>>> Let's think about this for a second, do you really think I would
>>>> intentionally pull into a parking space and potentially hit you? No. And I
>>>> resent the fact that you paint a picture of me as someone who thinks I own
>>>> the road! Because I drive a Chevy Tahoe (aka Gas guzzler) paints a
>>>> stereotype that is inaccurate. For your information I volunteered to begin a
>>>> Ride share program at where I work, I implemented and complied with the Air
>>>> Quality Management District (AQMD) in Los Angeles, and mandated that we had
>>>> a 1.5 Average Vehicle Ridership within our business of 475 employees. I
>>>> helped reduce smog and pollution, and collectively we made a huge
>>>> difference. So before you quickly jump to a prejudice, don't judge the book
>>>> by it's cover.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now anyone stating I lost business from this incident, so be it. I doubt
>>>> it is true, and if it were I am glad I am not working for people that would
>>>> consider making that statement without knowing the facts, just side with the
>>>> guy that rides a bike.
>>>>> Interesting philosophy. The truth is I made a mistake. The first one who
>>>> has never made a mistake, please e-mail me your secret....! yes, let's share
>>>> the road!
>>>>>
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>
>>>>> Richard Roman
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> OBRA mailing list
>>>>> obra@list.obra.org
>>>>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>>>>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>>>>
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>>>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>>>>
>>>>
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>

Karsten Hagen

If I wanted to call an OBRA boycott on every dump truck company, school bus
driver, redneck or furniture delivery truck that ever cut me off or made a
rude gesture, the following would happen:

-There'd be piles of garbage in front of all OBRA houses
-Our kids would need to walk to school
-Rednecks would redirect their anger at little bunnies
-OBRA members would never get their new Laz-e-Boys delivered.

Think of the little bunnies!

Karsten

On 5/3/10 10:08 AM, "Kenny Graham" wrote:

> Unless all of were there to witness this, its not fair to take side or try to
> ruin someone's business.

Let's just take the high road and understand
> everyone makes mistakes and love each other as people and
> cyclists.

Kenny

Phreadi wrote:

>I wouldn't.
>>
>> On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 8:40 AM, Lisa Winchester
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'd like to hear what Michael, the fellow that wrote the original e-mail,
>>> has to say about this e-mail.
>>>
>>> ~Lisa Winchester
>>> __o "It never gets easier,
>>> _ \<_ you just go faster."
>>> (_)/(_) -- Greg LeMond
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 06:56:24 -0700
>>>> From: romanphotography@comcast.net
>>>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>>>> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Photographer to avoid
>>>
>>>>
>>>> To all Cyclists that sent me an e-mail~
>>>>
>>>> This morning I had a rather unpleasant meeting with one of your fellow
>>> cyclists. Let me give you some background information so you understand what
>>> was going on. I was photographing for the Eugene Marathon, I was at mile
>>> post 3 and 6, and had to quickly get tot he finish line as part of my
>>> assignment. The past 2 days I have had to get up at 5:30 am, and I am not an
>>> early riser. And quite frankly I was exhausted. All the roads leading to the
>>> marathon were closed, and I had to find my way to Hayward field. There were
>>> no places to park, I was franticly looking everywhere, but nothing.
>>>>
>>>> Then I looked to the right and there it was a space, I knew there were no
>>> cars behind me, but I obviously never saw the bike. It was clearly my fault,
>>> i take responsibility IF I cut him off, I say IF because I never saw that I
>>> did it. I just had a guy screaming at me. Now, anyone that knows me, knows I
>>> would be the FIRST one to apologize if I screwed up. But the only thing I
>>> heard was a VERY angry voice screaming obscenities at me. I even stopped
>>> from pulling all the way in as I was confused on what happened. As I got out
>>> of the truck the verbal lashing continued, I quickly wondered if this was
>>> going to get physical. My disposition changed, and I was no longer
>>> interested in what he had to say. Had he given me the opportunity to say I'm
>>> sorry I didn't see you, it could have ended much better. Instead a passerby
>>> yelled at him to watch his words because there were kids around.
>>>>
>>>> I come from a rough childhood and I don't take people yelling at me very
>>> well, I just get defensive. My parting words to him was to watch where he
>>> was going.... which was wrong, but bikes don't own the road either. Streets
>>> were designed for automobiles, and driving alongside of them may not be a
>>> good idea. If you were in a bike lane, or an area designated for bikes,
>>> perhaps I would have been more aware.
>>>>
>>>> Now I am also a bike rider, and when I ride with my kids, I always tell
>>> them to watch for cars, and always assume they don't see you. Logically one
>>> on a bike is smaller in size and therefore smaller to see, especially if it
>>> is in your blind spot.
>>>> Let's think about this for a second, do you really think I would
>>> intentionally pull into a parking space and potentially hit you? No. And I
>>> resent the fact that you paint a picture of me as someone who thinks I own
>>> the road! Because I drive a Chevy Tahoe (aka Gas guzzler) paints a
>>> stereotype that is inaccurate. For your information I volunteered to begin a
>>> Ride share program at where I work, I implemented and complied with the Air
>>> Quality Management District (AQMD) in Los Angeles, and mandated that we had
>>> a 1.5 Average Vehicle Ridership within our business of 475 employees. I
>>> helped reduce smog and pollution, and collectively we made a huge
>>> difference. So before you quickly jump to a prejudice, don't judge the book
>>> by it's cover.
>>>>
>>>> Now anyone stating I lost business from this incident, so be it. I doubt
>>> it is true, and if it were I am glad I am not working for people that would
>>> consider making that statement without knowing the facts, just side with the
>>> guy that rides a bike.
>>>> Interesting philosophy. The truth is I made a mistake. The first one who
>>> has never made a mistake, please e-mail me your secret....! yes, let's share
>>> the road!
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>
>>>> Richard Roman
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> OBRA mailing list
>>>> obra@list.obra.org
>>>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>>>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> OBRA mailing list
>>> obra@list.obra.org
>>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>>>
>>>
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Kenny Graham

Unless all of were there to witness this, its not fair to take side or try to ruin someone's business.

Let's just take the high road and understand everyone makes mistakes and love each other as people and cyclists.

Kenny

Phreadi wrote:

>I wouldn't.
>
>On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 8:40 AM, Lisa Winchester
>wrote:
>
>> I'd like to hear what Michael, the fellow that wrote the original e-mail,
>> has to say about this e-mail.
>>
>> ~Lisa Winchester
>> __o "It never gets easier,
>> _ \<_ you just go faster."
>> (_)/(_) -- Greg LeMond
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 06:56:24 -0700
>> > From: romanphotography@comcast.net
>> > To: obra@list.obra.org
>> > Subject: [OBRA Chat] Photographer to avoid
>>
>> >
>> > To all Cyclists that sent me an e-mail~
>> >
>> > This morning I had a rather unpleasant meeting with one of your fellow
>> cyclists. Let me give you some background information so you understand what
>> was going on. I was photographing for the Eugene Marathon, I was at mile
>> post 3 and 6, and had to quickly get tot he finish line as part of my
>> assignment. The past 2 days I have had to get up at 5:30 am, and I am not an
>> early riser. And quite frankly I was exhausted. All the roads leading to the
>> marathon were closed, and I had to find my way to Hayward field. There were
>> no places to park, I was franticly looking everywhere, but nothing.
>> >
>> > Then I looked to the right and there it was a space, I knew there were no
>> cars behind me, but I obviously never saw the bike. It was clearly my fault,
>> i take responsibility IF I cut him off, I say IF because I never saw that I
>> did it. I just had a guy screaming at me. Now, anyone that knows me, knows I
>> would be the FIRST one to apologize if I screwed up. But the only thing I
>> heard was a VERY angry voice screaming obscenities at me. I even stopped
>> from pulling all the way in as I was confused on what happened. As I got out
>> of the truck the verbal lashing continued, I quickly wondered if this was
>> going to get physical. My disposition changed, and I was no longer
>> interested in what he had to say. Had he given me the opportunity to say I'm
>> sorry I didn't see you, it could have ended much better. Instead a passerby
>> yelled at him to watch his words because there were kids around.
>> >
>> > I come from a rough childhood and I don't take people yelling at me very
>> well, I just get defensive. My parting words to him was to watch where he
>> was going.... which was wrong, but bikes don't own the road either. Streets
>> were designed for automobiles, and driving alongside of them may not be a
>> good idea. If you were in a bike lane, or an area designated for bikes,
>> perhaps I would have been more aware.
>> >
>> > Now I am also a bike rider, and when I ride with my kids, I always tell
>> them to watch for cars, and always assume they don't see you. Logically one
>> on a bike is smaller in size and therefore smaller to see, especially if it
>> is in your blind spot.
>> > Let's think about this for a second, do you really think I would
>> intentionally pull into a parking space and potentially hit you? No. And I
>> resent the fact that you paint a picture of me as someone who thinks I own
>> the road! Because I drive a Chevy Tahoe (aka Gas guzzler) paints a
>> stereotype that is inaccurate. For your information I volunteered to begin a
>> Ride share program at where I work, I implemented and complied with the Air
>> Quality Management District (AQMD) in Los Angeles, and mandated that we had
>> a 1.5 Average Vehicle Ridership within our business of 475 employees. I
>> helped reduce smog and pollution, and collectively we made a huge
>> difference. So before you quickly jump to a prejudice, don't judge the book
>> by it's cover.
>> >
>> > Now anyone stating I lost business from this incident, so be it. I doubt
>> it is true, and if it were I am glad I am not working for people that would
>> consider making that statement without knowing the facts, just side with the
>> guy that rides a bike.
>> > Interesting philosophy. The truth is I made a mistake. The first one who
>> has never made a mistake, please e-mail me your secret....! yes, let's share
>> the road!
>> >
>> > Sincerely,
>> >
>> > Richard Roman
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > OBRA mailing list
>> > obra@list.obra.org
>> > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>> > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> OBRA mailing list
>> obra@list.obra.org
>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>>
>>
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Rick C Johnson

That's not exactly the way I read Richards comments, it sounds to me
like a reasonable statement of facts. The streets in fact were designed
to standards based on automobile operation. If the bicyclist was in a
designated lane they would have had the legal right of way, without it
the bicyclist does not enjoy a superior position in the traffic
environment. No where did either party say that first the motor vehicle
passed the bicyclist. Therefore it is logical to assume that if the
bicyclist was in fact cut-off they must have been pacing or overtaking
the motor vehicle on the right. While bicyclists are not prohibited
under Oregon statutes from doing so they are warned against it in the
state DMV drivers handbook due to the predictable hazard in doing so.

Rick Johnson
Bend, Oregon

"Those who cannot remember the past, are condemned to repeat it" - George Santayana

matticus@oatmail.org wrote:

>"bikes don't own the road either. Streets were designed for automobiles,
>and driving alongside of them may not be a good idea. If you were in a bike
>lane, or an area designated for bikes, perhaps I would have been more
>aware."
>
>This is the only part that really gets me. The dude might have been rude,
>but your attitude implies that he should not have been there or you do not
>think bikes should be anywhere but a designated area. Bikes are automobiles
>the road was designed for both, they are subject to the same laws, treat
>them as such.
>
>
>
>On Mon, 3 May 2010 08:40:37 -0700, Lisa Winchester
> wrote:
>
>
>>I'd like to hear what Michael, the fellow that wrote the original
>>
>>
>e-mail,
>
>
>>has to say about this e-mail.
>>
>>
>>
>>~Lisa Winchester
>>
>> __o "It never gets easier,
>> _ \<_ you just go faster."
>> (_)/(_) -- Greg LeMond
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 06:56:24 -0700
>>>From: romanphotography@comcast.net
>>>To: obra@list.obra.org
>>>Subject: [OBRA Chat] Photographer to avoid
>>>
>>>To all Cyclists that sent me an e-mail~
>>>
>>>This morning I had a rather unpleasant meeting with one of your fellow
>>>cyclists. Let me give you some background information so you understand
>>>what was going on. I was photographing for the Eugene Marathon, I was
>>>
>>>
>at
>
>
>>>mile post 3 and 6, and had to quickly get tot he finish line as part of
>>>my assignment. The past 2 days I have had to get up at 5:30 am, and I
>>>
>>>
>am
>
>
>>>not an early riser. And quite frankly I was exhausted. All the roads
>>>leading to the marathon were closed, and I had to find my way to
>>>
>>>
>Hayward
>
>
>>>field. There were no places to park, I was franticly looking
>>>
>>>
>everywhere,
>
>
>>>but nothing.
>>>
>>>Then I looked to the right and there it was a space, I knew there were
>>>no cars behind me, but I obviously never saw the bike. It was clearly
>>>
>>>
>my
>
>
>>>fault, i take responsibility IF I cut him off, I say IF because I never
>>>saw that I did it. I just had a guy screaming at me. Now, anyone that
>>>knows me, knows I would be the FIRST one to apologize if I screwed up.
>>>But the only thing I heard was a VERY angry voice screaming obscenities
>>>at me. I even stopped from pulling all the way in as I was confused on
>>>what happened. As I got out of the truck the verbal lashing continued,
>>>
>>>
>I
>
>
>>>quickly wondered if this was going to get physical. My disposition
>>>changed, and I was no longer interested in what he had to say. Had he
>>>given me the opportunity to say I'm sorry I didn't see you, it could
>>>
>>>
>have
>
>
>>>ended much better. Instead a passerby yelled at him to watch his words
>>>because there were kids around.
>>>
>>>I come from a rough childhood and I don't take people yelling at me
>>>
>>>
>very
>
>
>>>well, I just get defensive. My parting words to him was to watch where
>>>
>>>
>he
>
>
>>>was going.... which was wrong, but bikes don't own the road either.
>>>Streets were designed for automobiles, and driving alongside of them
>>>
>>>
>may
>
>
>>>not be a good idea. If you were in a bike lane, or an area designated
>>>
>>>
>for
>
>
>>>bikes, perhaps I would have been more aware.
>>>
>>>Now I am also a bike rider, and when I ride with my kids, I always tell
>>>them to watch for cars, and always assume they don't see you. Logically
>>>one on a bike is smaller in size and therefore smaller to see,
>>>
>>>
>especially
>
>
>>>if it is in your blind spot.
>>>Let's think about this for a second, do you really think I would
>>>intentionally pull into a parking space and potentially hit you? No.
>>>
>>>
>And
>
>
>>>I resent the fact that you paint a picture of me as someone who thinks
>>>
>>>
>I
>
>
>>>own the road! Because I drive a Chevy Tahoe (aka Gas guzzler) paints a
>>>stereotype that is inaccurate. For your information I volunteered to
>>>begin a Ride share program at where I work, I implemented and complied
>>>with the Air Quality Management District (AQMD) in Los Angeles, and
>>>mandated that we had a 1.5 Average Vehicle Ridership within our
>>>
>>>
>business
>
>
>>>of 475 employees. I helped reduce smog and pollution, and collectively
>>>
>>>
>we
>
>
>>>made a huge difference. So before you quickly jump to a prejudice,
>>>
>>>
>don't
>
>
>>>judge the book by it's cover.
>>>
>>>Now anyone stating I lost business from this incident, so be it. I
>>>
>>>
>doubt
>
>
>>>it is true, and if it were I am glad I am not working for people that
>>>would consider making that statement without knowing the facts, just
>>>
>>>
>side
>
>
>>>with the guy that rides a bike.
>>>Interesting philosophy. The truth is I made a mistake. The first one
>>>
>>>
>who
>
>
>>>has never made a mistake, please e-mail me your secret....! yes, let's
>>>share the road!
>>>
>>>Sincerely,
>>>
>>>Richard Roman
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>OBRA mailing list
>>>obra@list.obra.org
>>>http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>>>Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>>>
>>>
>_______________________________________________
>OBRA mailing list
>obra@list.obra.org
>http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>
>
>

Phreadi

I wouldn't.

On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 8:40 AM, Lisa Winchester
wrote:

> I'd like to hear what Michael, the fellow that wrote the original e-mail,
> has to say about this e-mail.
>
> ~Lisa Winchester
> __o "It never gets easier,
> _ \<_ you just go faster."
> (_)/(_) -- Greg LeMond
>
>
>
>
> > Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 06:56:24 -0700
> > From: romanphotography@comcast.net
> > To: obra@list.obra.org
> > Subject: [OBRA Chat] Photographer to avoid
>
> >
> > To all Cyclists that sent me an e-mail~
> >
> > This morning I had a rather unpleasant meeting with one of your fellow
> cyclists. Let me give you some background information so you understand what
> was going on. I was photographing for the Eugene Marathon, I was at mile
> post 3 and 6, and had to quickly get tot he finish line as part of my
> assignment. The past 2 days I have had to get up at 5:30 am, and I am not an
> early riser. And quite frankly I was exhausted. All the roads leading to the
> marathon were closed, and I had to find my way to Hayward field. There were
> no places to park, I was franticly looking everywhere, but nothing.
> >
> > Then I looked to the right and there it was a space, I knew there were no
> cars behind me, but I obviously never saw the bike. It was clearly my fault,
> i take responsibility IF I cut him off, I say IF because I never saw that I
> did it. I just had a guy screaming at me. Now, anyone that knows me, knows I
> would be the FIRST one to apologize if I screwed up. But the only thing I
> heard was a VERY angry voice screaming obscenities at me. I even stopped
> from pulling all the way in as I was confused on what happened. As I got out
> of the truck the verbal lashing continued, I quickly wondered if this was
> going to get physical. My disposition changed, and I was no longer
> interested in what he had to say. Had he given me the opportunity to say I'm
> sorry I didn't see you, it could have ended much better. Instead a passerby
> yelled at him to watch his words because there were kids around.
> >
> > I come from a rough childhood and I don't take people yelling at me very
> well, I just get defensive. My parting words to him was to watch where he
> was going.... which was wrong, but bikes don't own the road either. Streets
> were designed for automobiles, and driving alongside of them may not be a
> good idea. If you were in a bike lane, or an area designated for bikes,
> perhaps I would have been more aware.
> >
> > Now I am also a bike rider, and when I ride with my kids, I always tell
> them to watch for cars, and always assume they don't see you. Logically one
> on a bike is smaller in size and therefore smaller to see, especially if it
> is in your blind spot.
> > Let's think about this for a second, do you really think I would
> intentionally pull into a parking space and potentially hit you? No. And I
> resent the fact that you paint a picture of me as someone who thinks I own
> the road! Because I drive a Chevy Tahoe (aka Gas guzzler) paints a
> stereotype that is inaccurate. For your information I volunteered to begin a
> Ride share program at where I work, I implemented and complied with the Air
> Quality Management District (AQMD) in Los Angeles, and mandated that we had
> a 1.5 Average Vehicle Ridership within our business of 475 employees. I
> helped reduce smog and pollution, and collectively we made a huge
> difference. So before you quickly jump to a prejudice, don't judge the book
> by it's cover.
> >
> > Now anyone stating I lost business from this incident, so be it. I doubt
> it is true, and if it were I am glad I am not working for people that would
> consider making that statement without knowing the facts, just side with the
> guy that rides a bike.
> > Interesting philosophy. The truth is I made a mistake. The first one who
> has never made a mistake, please e-mail me your secret....! yes, let's share
> the road!
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Richard Roman
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > OBRA mailing list
> > obra@list.obra.org
> > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>
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>
>

matticus@oatmail.org

"bikes don't own the road either. Streets were designed for automobiles,
and driving alongside of them may not be a good idea. If you were in a bike
lane, or an area designated for bikes, perhaps I would have been more
aware."

This is the only part that really gets me. The dude might have been rude,
but your attitude implies that he should not have been there or you do not
think bikes should be anywhere but a designated area. Bikes are automobiles
the road was designed for both, they are subject to the same laws, treat
them as such.

On Mon, 3 May 2010 08:40:37 -0700, Lisa Winchester
wrote:
> I'd like to hear what Michael, the fellow that wrote the original
e-mail,
> has to say about this e-mail.
>
>
>
> ~Lisa Winchester
>
> __o "It never gets easier,
> _ \<_ you just go faster."
> (_)/(_) -- Greg LeMond
>
>
>
>
>
>> Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 06:56:24 -0700
>> From: romanphotography@comcast.net
>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Photographer to avoid
>>
>> To all Cyclists that sent me an e-mail~
>>
>> This morning I had a rather unpleasant meeting with one of your fellow
>> cyclists. Let me give you some background information so you understand
>> what was going on. I was photographing for the Eugene Marathon, I was
at
>> mile post 3 and 6, and had to quickly get tot he finish line as part of
>> my assignment. The past 2 days I have had to get up at 5:30 am, and I
am
>> not an early riser. And quite frankly I was exhausted. All the roads
>> leading to the marathon were closed, and I had to find my way to
Hayward
>> field. There were no places to park, I was franticly looking
everywhere,
>> but nothing.
>>
>> Then I looked to the right and there it was a space, I knew there were
>> no cars behind me, but I obviously never saw the bike. It was clearly
my
>> fault, i take responsibility IF I cut him off, I say IF because I never
>> saw that I did it. I just had a guy screaming at me. Now, anyone that
>> knows me, knows I would be the FIRST one to apologize if I screwed up.
>> But the only thing I heard was a VERY angry voice screaming obscenities
>> at me. I even stopped from pulling all the way in as I was confused on
>> what happened. As I got out of the truck the verbal lashing continued,
I
>> quickly wondered if this was going to get physical. My disposition
>> changed, and I was no longer interested in what he had to say. Had he
>> given me the opportunity to say I'm sorry I didn't see you, it could
have
>> ended much better. Instead a passerby yelled at him to watch his words
>> because there were kids around.
>>
>> I come from a rough childhood and I don't take people yelling at me
very
>> well, I just get defensive. My parting words to him was to watch where
he
>> was going.... which was wrong, but bikes don't own the road either.
>> Streets were designed for automobiles, and driving alongside of them
may
>> not be a good idea. If you were in a bike lane, or an area designated
for
>> bikes, perhaps I would have been more aware.
>>
>> Now I am also a bike rider, and when I ride with my kids, I always tell
>> them to watch for cars, and always assume they don't see you. Logically
>> one on a bike is smaller in size and therefore smaller to see,
especially
>> if it is in your blind spot.
>> Let's think about this for a second, do you really think I would
>> intentionally pull into a parking space and potentially hit you? No.
And
>> I resent the fact that you paint a picture of me as someone who thinks
I
>> own the road! Because I drive a Chevy Tahoe (aka Gas guzzler) paints a
>> stereotype that is inaccurate. For your information I volunteered to
>> begin a Ride share program at where I work, I implemented and complied
>> with the Air Quality Management District (AQMD) in Los Angeles, and
>> mandated that we had a 1.5 Average Vehicle Ridership within our
business
>> of 475 employees. I helped reduce smog and pollution, and collectively
we
>> made a huge difference. So before you quickly jump to a prejudice,
don't
>> judge the book by it's cover.
>>
>> Now anyone stating I lost business from this incident, so be it. I
doubt
>> it is true, and if it were I am glad I am not working for people that
>> would consider making that statement without knowing the facts, just
side
>> with the guy that rides a bike.
>> Interesting philosophy. The truth is I made a mistake. The first one
who
>> has never made a mistake, please e-mail me your secret....! yes, let's
>> share the road!
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Richard Roman
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> OBRA mailing list
>> obra@list.obra.org
>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org

Lisa Winchester

I'd like to hear what Michael, the fellow that wrote the original e-mail, has to say about this e-mail.

~Lisa Winchester

__o "It never gets easier,
_ \<_ you just go faster."
(_)/(_) -- Greg LeMond

> Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 06:56:24 -0700
> From: romanphotography@comcast.net
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Photographer to avoid
>
> To all Cyclists that sent me an e-mail~
>
> This morning I had a rather unpleasant meeting with one of your fellow cyclists. Let me give you some background information so you understand what was going on. I was photographing for the Eugene Marathon, I was at mile post 3 and 6, and had to quickly get tot he finish line as part of my assignment. The past 2 days I have had to get up at 5:30 am, and I am not an early riser. And quite frankly I was exhausted. All the roads leading to the marathon were closed, and I had to find my way to Hayward field. There were no places to park, I was franticly looking everywhere, but nothing.
>
> Then I looked to the right and there it was a space, I knew there were no cars behind me, but I obviously never saw the bike. It was clearly my fault, i take responsibility IF I cut him off, I say IF because I never saw that I did it. I just had a guy screaming at me. Now, anyone that knows me, knows I would be the FIRST one to apologize if I screwed up. But the only thing I heard was a VERY angry voice screaming obscenities at me. I even stopped from pulling all the way in as I was confused on what happened. As I got out of the truck the verbal lashing continued, I quickly wondered if this was going to get physical. My disposition changed, and I was no longer interested in what he had to say. Had he given me the opportunity to say I'm sorry I didn't see you, it could have ended much better. Instead a passerby yelled at him to watch his words because there were kids around.
>
> I come from a rough childhood and I don't take people yelling at me very well, I just get defensive. My parting words to him was to watch where he was going.... which was wrong, but bikes don't own the road either. Streets were designed for automobiles, and driving alongside of them may not be a good idea. If you were in a bike lane, or an area designated for bikes, perhaps I would have been more aware.
>
> Now I am also a bike rider, and when I ride with my kids, I always tell them to watch for cars, and always assume they don't see you. Logically one on a bike is smaller in size and therefore smaller to see, especially if it is in your blind spot.
> Let's think about this for a second, do you really think I would intentionally pull into a parking space and potentially hit you? No. And I resent the fact that you paint a picture of me as someone who thinks I own the road! Because I drive a Chevy Tahoe (aka Gas guzzler) paints a stereotype that is inaccurate. For your information I volunteered to begin a Ride share program at where I work, I implemented and complied with the Air Quality Management District (AQMD) in Los Angeles, and mandated that we had a 1.5 Average Vehicle Ridership within our business of 475 employees. I helped reduce smog and pollution, and collectively we made a huge difference. So before you quickly jump to a prejudice, don't judge the book by it's cover.
>
> Now anyone stating I lost business from this incident, so be it. I doubt it is true, and if it were I am glad I am not working for people that would consider making that statement without knowing the facts, just side with the guy that rides a bike.
> Interesting philosophy. The truth is I made a mistake. The first one who has never made a mistake, please e-mail me your secret....! yes, let's share the road!
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Richard Roman
>
> _______________________________________________
> OBRA mailing list
> obra@list.obra.org
> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org

Max Kirchoff

Writing a somewhat condescending email to a list of cyclists about how
you think people should ride their bikes, then give them a "you're
childish threats are hollow" was def the path to take on this one.

Good moves both on the maturity and the professionalism. I'm sure your
business reflects these.

On May 3, 2010, at 6:56 AM, romanphotography wrote:

> To all Cyclists that sent me an e-mail~
>
> This morning I had a rather unpleasant meeting with one of your
> fellow cyclists. Let me give you some background information so you
> understand what was going on. I was photographing for the Eugene
> Marathon, I was at mile post 3 and 6, and had to quickly get tot he
> finish line as part of my assignment. The past 2 days I have had to
> get up at 5:30 am, and I am not an early riser. And quite frankly I
> was exhausted. All the roads leading to the marathon were closed,
> and I had to find my way to Hayward field. There were no places to
> park, I was franticly looking everywhere, but nothing.
>
> Then I looked to the right and there it was a space, I knew there
> were no cars behind me, but I obviously never saw the bike. It was
> clearly my fault, i take responsibility IF I cut him off, I say IF
> because I never saw that I did it. I just had a guy screaming at me.
> Now, anyone that knows me, knows I would be the FIRST one to
> apologize if I screwed up. But the only thing I heard was a VERY
> angry voice screaming obscenities at me. I even stopped from pulling
> all the way in as I was confused on what happened. As I got out of
> the truck the verbal lashing continued, I quickly wondered if this
> was going to get physical. My disposition changed, and I was no
> longer interested in what he had to say. Had he given me the
> opportunity to say I'm sorry I didn't see you, it could have ended
> much better. Instead a passerby yelled at him to watch his words
> because there were kids around.
>
> I come from a rough childhood and I don't take people yelling at me
> very well, I just get defensive. My parting words to him was to
> watch where he was going.... which was wrong, but bikes don't own
> the road either. Streets were designed for automobiles, and driving
> alongside of them may not be a good idea. If you were in a bike
> lane, or an area designated for bikes, perhaps I would have been
> more aware.
>
> Now I am also a bike rider, and when I ride with my kids, I always
> tell them to watch for cars, and always assume they don't see you.
> Logically one on a bike is smaller in size and therefore smaller to
> see, especially if it is in your blind spot.
> Let's think about this for a second, do you really think I would
> intentionally pull into a parking space and potentially hit you?
> No. And I resent the fact that you paint a picture of me as someone
> who thinks I own the road! Because I drive a Chevy Tahoe (aka Gas
> guzzler) paints a stereotype that is inaccurate. For your
> information I volunteered to begin a Ride share program at where I
> work, I implemented and complied with the Air Quality Management
> District (AQMD) in Los Angeles, and mandated that we had a 1.5
> Average Vehicle Ridership within our business of 475 employees. I
> helped reduce smog and pollution, and collectively we made a huge
> difference. So before you quickly jump to a prejudice, don't judge
> the book by it's cover.
>
> Now anyone stating I lost business from this incident, so be it. I
> doubt it is true, and if it were I am glad I am not working for
> people that would consider making that statement without knowing the
> facts, just side with the guy that rides a bike.
> Interesting philosophy. The truth is I made a mistake. The first one
> who has never made a mistake, please e-mail me your secret....!
> yes, let's share the road!
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Richard Roman
>
> _______________________________________________
> OBRA mailing list
> obra@list.obra.org
> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org

romanphotography

To all Cyclists that sent me an e-mail~

This morning I had a rather unpleasant meeting with one of your fellow cyclists. Let me give you some background information so you understand what was going on. I was photographing for the Eugene Marathon, I was at mile post 3 and 6, and had to quickly get tot he finish line as part of my assignment. The past 2 days I have had to get up at 5:30 am, and I am not an early riser. And quite frankly I was exhausted. All the roads leading to the marathon were closed, and I had to find my way to Hayward field. There were no places to park, I was franticly looking everywhere, but nothing.

Then I looked to the right and there it was a space, I knew there were no cars behind me, but I obviously never saw the bike. It was clearly my fault, i take responsibility IF I cut him off, I say IF because I never saw that I did it. I just had a guy screaming at me. Now, anyone that knows me, knows I would be the FIRST one to apologize if I screwed up. But the only thing I heard was a VERY angry voice screaming obscenities at me. I even stopped from pulling all the way in as I was confused on what happened. As I got out of the truck the verbal lashing continued, I quickly wondered if this was going to get physical. My disposition changed, and I was no longer interested in what he had to say. Had he given me the opportunity to say I'm sorry I didn't see you, it could have ended much better. Instead a passerby yelled at him to watch his words because there were kids around.

I come from a rough childhood and I don't take people yelling at me very well, I just get defensive. My parting words to him was to watch where he was going.... which was wrong, but bikes don't own the road either. Streets were designed for automobiles, and driving alongside of them may not be a good idea. If you were in a bike lane, or an area designated for bikes, perhaps I would have been more aware.

Now I am also a bike rider, and when I ride with my kids, I always tell them to watch for cars, and always assume they don't see you. Logically one on a bike is smaller in size and therefore smaller to see, especially if it is in your blind spot.
Let's think about this for a second, do you really think I would intentionally pull into a parking space and potentially hit you? No. And I resent the fact that you paint a picture of me as someone who thinks I own the road! Because I drive a Chevy Tahoe (aka Gas guzzler) paints a stereotype that is inaccurate. For your information I volunteered to begin a Ride share program at where I work, I implemented and complied with the Air Quality Management District (AQMD) in Los Angeles, and mandated that we had a 1.5 Average Vehicle Ridership within our business of 475 employees. I helped reduce smog and pollution, and collectively we made a huge difference. So before you quickly jump to a prejudice, don't judge the book by it's cover.

Now anyone stating I lost business from this incident, so be it. I doubt it is true, and if it were I am glad I am not working for people that would consider making that statement without knowing the facts, just side with the guy that rides a bike.
Interesting philosophy. The truth is I made a mistake. The first one who has never made a mistake, please e-mail me your secret....! yes, let's share the road!

Sincerely,

Richard Roman

Kevin

Thanks for posting this. If he (or his boss) suffers an economic loss because of this guy's behavior then the point will be driven home more profoundly than any of us could do with mere words to the driver.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
What is happening in Kevin's corner of the bike world?
http://the-whir-of-spokes-in-air.blogspot.com
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

________________________________
From: michael brunelle
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Sun, May 2, 2010 4:26:40 PM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Photographer to avoid

OBRA,
On my way to watch my house-mate run a 2:27 marathon today (boo ya!) the following individual came very close to ending my life with his large SUV. Long story short I tried talking with him and he told me what he thought of cyclists. The back of his vehicle was labeled with http://www.richardromanphotography.com/. He's a Photographer obviously and one any cyclist should avoid.
Cheers
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michael brunelle wrote:

> OBRA,
> On my way to watch my house-mate run a 2:27 marathon today (boo ya!) the following individual came very close to ending my life with his large SUV. Long story short I tried talking with him and he told me what he thought of cyclists. The back of his vehicle was labeled with http://www.richardromanphotography.com/. He's a Photographer obviously and one any cyclist should avoid.
> Cheers
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Wasnt he taking pictures at last years TT in Corvallis? :^)

michael brunelle

OBRA,
On my way to watch my house-mate run a 2:27 marathon today (boo ya!) the following individual came very close to ending my life with his large SUV. Long story short I tried talking with him and he told me what he thought of cyclists. The back of his vehicle was labeled with http://www.richardromanphotography.com/. He's a Photographer obviously and one any cyclist should avoid.
Cheers