lisa graham

Ditto, August would be much better.Lisa

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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 08:49:54 -0700
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Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Please answer these questions re: OBRA TT Championships.........

I concur with Craig for the reason for low attendence.

Eric
On Jun 11, 2010, at 8:41, craig austin wrote:

Steve, I think June's a tough month to add a race, for a number of reasons. Kids' sports are going strong. This weekend is graduation for many of the schools in Portland, which keeps lots of folks from racing. And that 50-55 class is generally the age with high school kids, so they're attending graduations and sports.

There are also a number of other races this weekend (Cirque du Cycling crit and Vernonia short track Saturday, Ashland mountain challenge and Six Hours of Mt Hood Sunday) that force people to make a hard choice and many racers get only one hall pass for the weekend. I know that several of my teammates who would've been at the August TT champs are doing the Mt Hood race.

Jack Frost is always going to have huge numbers. It's the first opportunity to race after a long winter.

I for one am really disappointed that the race isn't in August. We need more events then, not in June and certainly not in February and March.

Craig Austin

On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 12:05 AM, STEVEN R HOLLAND wrote:

I'm trying to understand the lack of attendance in this years OBRA TT Championships.[And past years for that matter]

Please reply to ME ONLY. srh148@yahoo.com

Why do over 350 attend Jack Frost TT in February and only 1/2 that amount for a CHAMPIONSHIP TT in the summer?

Why did 52 masters men 50-59 do Jack Frost and only half that do the OBRA TT?

Why is there only ONE masters man and ONE masters women in the 30-34 age group? [This is the largest age demographic in OBRA I believe]

Why do so few women do TT's?



Based on response, next year we might have the OBRA TT in February on the Jack Frost TT course if that is when most of you want to do TT's????? It would be MUCH easier for my team to promote and cost less for us to do and we would have twice the attendance. [Maybe all of the OBRA Championships will be in WA,............ joking]

Some told us they will not attend because we moved the date from August. Hey, we never had 350 attend in August either....................

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Brady Brady

I think the stock bike category is a pretty cool idea. This would give people who don't mind an hour of suffering something else to try before cross season, without requiring them to have a special bike (track, TT), ride in a pack, or contest a sprint finish.

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Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 9:44 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Please answer these questions re: OBRA TT Championships.........

Here are a couple of ideas that won't do any good this year but may boost the attendance a little next year:

1. Market the TT to tri-geeks. Maybe even offer a triathlete category (obviously, everyone would need an OBRA license).
2. Offer a stock bike category. Aero bars and bionicle helmets wouldn't be allowed, nor would any wheel with fewer than 16 spokes.

Neither of these ideas would bring the attendance up to the level of Jack Frost, I know this. But who knows, maybe you'd get another 50 riders.
On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 9:36 AM, Dan Silvernail > wrote:
I know that this issue has been beaten back and forth but I still think it's ridiculous that the road season all but ends by June 1st. Yes, I know that there is racing every weeknight, and yes, I know that there are stage races on the calendar but I am talking about one day weekend road races.

On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Stephen Fitzgerald > wrote:
I always assumed Jack Frost was big because everyone got their first chance to gauge their fitness against the field for the first time.
Cherry Pie is a huge race, Roseburg RR had small fields. Maybe the calendar plays into that as well.

I have no science to back it up, but at PIR it has seemed like the Monday Masters crew has been slow, sketchy, and unmotivated for the last 2-3 weeks. I chalked it up to mid season burnout. People in June may have a very different mindset to Feb.

I'm a little bored with road racing myself at this point in the season and am planning to do more MTB to mix things up.

Eric Wallace wrote:
I concur with Craig for the reason for low attendence.

Eric

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Dan Silvernail

Here are a couple of ideas that won't do any good this year but may boost
the attendance a little next year:

1. Market the TT to tri-geeks. Maybe even offer a triathlete category
(obviously, everyone would need an OBRA license).
2. Offer a stock bike category. Aero bars and bionicle helmets wouldn't be
allowed, nor would any wheel with fewer than 16 spokes.

Neither of these ideas would bring the attendance up to the level of Jack
Frost, I know this. But who knows, maybe you'd get another 50 riders.

On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 9:36 AM, Dan Silvernail wrote:

> I know that this issue has been beaten back and forth but I still think
> it's ridiculous that the road season all but ends by June 1st. Yes, I know
> that there is racing every weeknight, and yes, I know that there are stage
> races on the calendar but I am talking about one day weekend road races.
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Stephen Fitzgerald wrote:
>
>> I always assumed Jack Frost was big because everyone got their first
>> chance to gauge their fitness against the field for the first time.
>> Cherry Pie is a huge race, Roseburg RR had small fields. Maybe the
>> calendar plays into that as well.
>>
>> I have no science to back it up, but at PIR it has seemed like the Monday
>> Masters crew has been slow, sketchy, and unmotivated for the last 2-3 weeks.
>> I chalked it up to mid season burnout. People in June may have a very
>> different mindset to Feb.
>>
>> I'm a *little* bored with road racing myself at this point in the season
>> and am planning to do more MTB to mix things up.
>>
>>
>> Eric Wallace wrote:
>>
>> I concur with Craig for the reason for low attendence.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>
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Dan Silvernail

I know that this issue has been beaten back and forth but I still think
it's ridiculous that the road season all but ends by June 1st. Yes, I know
that there is racing every weeknight, and yes, I know that there are stage
races on the calendar but I am talking about one day weekend road races.

On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Stephen Fitzgerald wrote:

> I always assumed Jack Frost was big because everyone got their first chance
> to gauge their fitness against the field for the first time.
> Cherry Pie is a huge race, Roseburg RR had small fields. Maybe the calendar
> plays into that as well.
>
> I have no science to back it up, but at PIR it has seemed like the Monday
> Masters crew has been slow, sketchy, and unmotivated for the last 2-3 weeks.
> I chalked it up to mid season burnout. People in June may have a very
> different mindset to Feb.
>
> I'm a *little* bored with road racing myself at this point in the season
> and am planning to do more MTB to mix things up.
>
>
> Eric Wallace wrote:
>
> I concur with Craig for the reason for low attendence.
>
> Eric
>
>
>
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Stephen Fitzgerald

I always assumed Jack Frost was big because everyone got their first
chance to gauge their fitness against the field for the first time.
Cherry Pie is a huge race, Roseburg RR had small fields. Maybe the
calendar plays into that as well.

I have no science to back it up, but at PIR it has seemed like the
Monday Masters crew has been slow, sketchy, and unmotivated for the last
2-3 weeks. I chalked it up to mid season burnout. People in June may
have a very different mindset to Feb.

I'm a /little/ bored with road racing myself at this point in the season
and am planning to do more MTB to mix things up.

Eric Wallace wrote:
> I concur with Craig for the reason for low attendence.
>
> Eric
>

Eric Wallace

I concur with Craig for the reason for low attendence.

Eric

On Jun 11, 2010, at 8:41, craig austin wrote:

> Steve, I think June's a tough month to add a race, for a number of
> reasons. Kids' sports are going strong. This weekend is graduation
> for many of the schools in Portland, which keeps lots of folks from
> racing. And that 50-55 class is generally the age with high school
> kids, so they're attending graduations and sports.
>
> There are also a number of other races this weekend (Cirque du
> Cycling crit and Vernonia short track Saturday, Ashland mountain
> challenge and Six Hours of Mt Hood Sunday) that force people to make
> a hard choice and many racers get only one hall pass for the
> weekend. I know that several of my teammates who would've been at
> the August TT champs are doing the Mt Hood race.
>
> Jack Frost is always going to have huge numbers. It's the first
> opportunity to race after a long winter.
>
> I for one am really disappointed that the race isn't in August. We
> need more events then, not in June and certainly not in February and
> March.
>
> Craig Austin
>
> On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 12:05 AM, STEVEN R HOLLAND
> wrote:
> I'm trying to understand the lack of attendance in this years OBRA
> TT Championships.[And past years for that matter]
>
> Please reply to ME ONLY. srh148@yahoo.com
>
> Why do over 350 attend Jack Frost TT in February and only 1/2 that
> amount for a CHAMPIONSHIP TT in the summer?
>
> Why did 52 masters men 50-59 do Jack Frost and only half that do the
> OBRA TT?
>
> Why is there only ONE masters man and ONE masters women in the 30-34
> age group? [This is the largest age demographic in OBRA I believe]
>
> Why do so few women do TT's?
>
>
>
> Based on response, next year we might have the OBRA TT in February
> on the Jack Frost TT course if that is when most of you want to do
> TT's????? It would be MUCH easier for my team to promote and cost
> less for us to do and we would have twice the attendance. [Maybe all
> of the OBRA Championships will be in WA,............ joking]
>
> Some told us they will not attend because we moved the date from
> August. Hey, we never had 350 attend in August
> either....................
>
>
>
>
>
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craig austin

Steve, I think June's a tough month to add a race, for a number of reasons.
Kids' sports are going strong. This weekend is graduation for many of the
schools in Portland, which keeps lots of folks from racing. And that 50-55
class is generally the age with high school kids, so they're attending
graduations and sports.

There are also a number of other races this weekend (Cirque du Cycling crit
and Vernonia short track Saturday, Ashland mountain challenge and Six Hours
of Mt Hood Sunday) that force people to make a hard choice and many racers
get only one hall pass for the weekend. I know that several of my teammates
who would've been at the August TT champs are doing the Mt Hood race.

Jack Frost is always going to have huge numbers. It's the first opportunity
to race after a long winter.

I for one am really disappointed that the race isn't in August. We need more
events then, not in June and certainly not in February and March.

Craig Austin

On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 12:05 AM, STEVEN R HOLLAND wrote:

> I'm trying to understand the lack of attendance in this years OBRA TT
> Championships.[And past years for that matter]
>
> Please reply to ME ONLY. srh148@yahoo.com
>
> *Why do over 350 attend Jack Frost TT in February and only 1/2 that
> amount for a CHAMPIONSHIP TT in the summer? *
> **
> *Why did 52 masters men 50-59 do Jack Frost and only half that do the OBRA
> TT?*
> **
> *Why is there only ONE masters man and ONE masters women in the 30-34 age
> group? [This is the largest age demographic in OBRA I believe]*
> **
> *Why do so few women do TT's?*
>
>
>
> Based on response, next year we might have the OBRA TT in February on the
> Jack Frost TT course if that is when most of you want to do TT's????? It
> would be MUCH easier for my team to promote and cost less for us to do and
> we would have twice the attendance. [Maybe all of the OBRA Championships
> will be in WA,............ joking]
>
> Some told us they will not attend because we moved the date from August.
> Hey, we never had 350 attend in August either....................
>
>
>
>
>
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STEVEN R HOLLAND

I'm trying to understand the lack of attendance in this years OBRA TT Championships.[And past years for that matter]

Please reply to ME ONLY. srh148@yahoo.com

Why do over 350 attend Jack Frost TT in February and  only 1/2 that amount for a CHAMPIONSHIP TT in the summer?
 
Why did 52 masters men 50-59 do Jack Frost and only half that do the OBRA TT?
 
Why is there only ONE masters man and ONE masters women in the 30-34 age group? [This is the largest age demographic in OBRA I believe]
 
Why do so few women do TT's?

Based on response, next year we might have the OBRA TT in February on the Jack Frost TT course if that is when most of you want to do TT's????? It would be MUCH easier for my team to promote and cost less for us to do and we would have twice the attendance. [Maybe all of the OBRA Championships will be in WA,............ joking]

Some told us they will not attend because we moved the date from August. Hey, we never had 350 attend in August either....................