UCI and cross tire sizing, no more 34C

Ron and Dorothy Strasser

2010-06-24

Well all said, I am running my 34c Hutchinson Bulldog tubeless tires for the
2nd season and if they choose to dq me for that then they have small minds
in my opinion. Anyone or organization who/that (in my very heartfelt
opinion) is so anal about tire size for the 60-64 age group has some
personality issues and or has not really come to grips with the meaning of
life. So if anyone out there in my cat at nats is beaten my this person,
just go to the judge and have them come inspect my bike, dq me and move up a
position. Then go home and fall asleep at ease with yourself knowing that
you took strasser the cheater down... as is should be!
Maybe we should also ban 29ers from mtb races?

ron
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Based on the current trend of some rim manufacturers to make wider rims to
put a wider "footprint" on the ground, your analysis does make sense.
Dave

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David Rosen

2010-06-23

Based on the current trend of some rim manufacturers to make wider rims to put a wider "footprint" on the ground, your analysis does make sense.
Dave

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Tim Schauer

2010-06-23

One perspective…

As a fan of wider tires myself (both road and cyclocross). I think they
represent an advantage. They permit me to run lower pressure and hold higher
speed in rougher conditions and corner with more traction. In my view
requiring narrower low volume tires would probably increase the value of
muddy off camber cornering skills, increase the value of your ability to
“float” over obstacles with appropriate weight distribution to minimize
pinch flats, might lower off road speeds, and perhaps make some course
obstacles a little more challenging than before. Seems to me that is also
clearly eliminates a more 29’r style bike when it might prove advantageous.
Overall, for cyclocross this seems that UCI might be giving a nod towards
favoring higher skills and less on tire selection.

Can you imagine if all the professionals were limited to 23c tires at Paris
Roubaix?

-Tim Schauer

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I believe the UCIs logic was cost containment. Wider tires are not
necessarily slower, that depends on conditions. The more tires and wheels
required to cover all possibilities contributes to added cost for the
participants.

Rick Johnson

Bend, Oregon

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Ron and Dorothy Strasser wrote:

So help me understand. UCI would not let someone run a fatter tire than "X
mm"? This seems stupid. If someone runs a fatter tire, in general they
will be going slower so there should be no advantage.

ron

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I thought the rule is tires can't be wider than 33mm, no?

A 35c tire does not necessary measure out to be 35mm wide.

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Dan Davis
wrote:

UCI and cross tire sizing?
So do you think that they will be checking tire size at cross Nat’s this
season? No more 34c tires. I know OBRA won’t care what size tire your
running but I would hate to get DQ’ed at Nats?
and thanks to Ryan T i really like the 34C tire size.
Dan…

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Rick Johnson

2010-06-23

I believe the UCIs  logic was cost containment. Wider tires are not
necessarily slower, that depends on conditions. The more tires and
wheels required to cover all possibilities contributes to added cost
for the participants.



Rick Johnson

Bend, Oregon

Every revolutionary idea seems to evoke three stages of reaction...
One, it's completely impossible.
Two, it's possible, but it's not worth doing.
Three, I said it was a good idea all along.

Arthur C. Clarke






Ron and Dorothy Strasser wrote:




So help me understand.  UCI would
not let someone run a fatter tire than "X mm"?  This seems stupid.  If
someone runs a fatter tire, in general they will be going slower so
there should be no advantage.  

ron 


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I thought the rule is tires can't be wider than 33mm, no?



A 35c tire does not necessary measure out to be 35mm wide.



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Davis <dalnvan@bendbroadband.com>
wrote:

UCI
and cross tire sizing?

So do you think that they will be checking tire size at cross Nat’s
this season? No more 34c tires. I know OBRA won’t care what size tire
your running but I would hate to get DQ’ed at Nats?

and thanks to Ryan T i really like the 34C tire size.

Dan…



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Devin Flynn

2010-06-23

I doubt they would be checking at the non championship races like the singlespeed race. And since I am in the midpack I am not going to worry about it.

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On Jun 23, 2010, at 10:49 AM, Dan Davis wrote:

UCI and cross tire sizing?
So do you think that they will be checking tire size at cross Nat’s this season? No more 34c tires. I know OBRA won’t care what size tire your running but I would hate to get DQ’ed at Nats?
and thanks to Ryan T i really like the 34C tire size.
Dan…
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eric aldinger

2010-06-23

UCI actually has good reason for this rule. With the advent of motor doping
UCI has become very proactive in their attempts to prevent mechanical
advantages from being deployed within the bike. It is felt that a tire wider
than 33mm will allow enough room for the narrowest tube plus a set of
miniture hamsters. Said configuration would increase forward momentum beyond
the normal output of a pedal stroke. I support the UCI in this logical ban.

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Ron and Dorothy Strasser <
rondot@spiritone.com> wrote:

> So help me understand. UCI would not let someone run a fatter tire than
> "X mm"? This seems stupid. If someone runs a fatter tire, in general they
> will be going slower so there should be no advantage.
> ron
>
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>
> I thought the rule is tires can't be wider than 33mm, no?
>
> A 35c tire does not necessary measure out to be 35mm wide.
>
> On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Dan Davis wrote:
>
>> UCI and cross tire sizing?
>> So do you think that they will be checking tire size at cross Nat’s this
>> season? No more 34c tires. I know OBRA won’t care what size tire your
>> running but I would hate to get DQ’ed at Nats?
>> and thanks to Ryan T i really like the 34C tire size.
>> Dan…
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Mike Murray

2010-06-23

It should be pointed out that USAC Nationals are run under UCI rules.
Mike Murray - Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

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Ron and Dorothy Strasser

2010-06-23

So help me understand. UCI would not let someone run a fatter tire than "X mm"? This seems stupid. If someone runs a fatter tire, in general they will be going slower so there should be no advantage.
ron
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Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] UCI and cross tire sizing, no more 34C

I thought the rule is tires can't be wider than 33mm, no?

A 35c tire does not necessary measure out to be 35mm wide.

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Dan Davis wrote:

UCI and cross tire sizing?
So do you think that they will be checking tire size at cross Nat’s this season? No more 34c tires. I know OBRA won’t care what size tire your running but I would hate to get DQ’ed at Nats?
and thanks to Ryan T i really like the 34C tire size.
Dan…

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Erik Voldengen

2010-06-23

I thought the rule is tires can't be wider than 33mm, no?

A 35c tire does not necessary measure out to be 35mm wide.

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Dan Davis wrote:

> UCI and cross tire sizing?
> So do you think that they will be checking tire size at cross Nat’s this
> season? No more 34c tires. I know OBRA won’t care what size tire your
> running but I would hate to get DQ’ed at Nats?
> and thanks to Ryan T i really like the 34C tire size.
> Dan…
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Matthew Case

2010-06-23

Velo News reported USA Cycling did not adopt the tire change rule from the
UCI so only UCI races will be effected by this rule, not races under the
USAC banner.

Matt Case

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 10:53 AM, wrote:

> I would say yes.
>
> Scott
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> UCI and cross tire sizing?
> So do you think that they will be checking tire size at cross Nat’s this
> season? No more 34c tires. I know OBRA won’t care what size tire your
> running but I would hate to get DQ’ed at Nats?
> and thanks to Ryan T i really like the 34C tire size.
> Dan…
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halfwheelhill@yahoo.com

2010-06-23

I would say yes.

Scott
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UCI and cross tire sizing?
So do you think that they will be checking tire size at cross Nat’s this season? No more 34c tires. I know OBRA won’t care what size tire your running but I would hate to get DQ’ed at Nats?
and thanks to Ryan T i really like the 34C tire size.
Dan…
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Dan Davis

2010-06-23

UCI and cross tire sizing?
So do you think that they will be checking tire size at cross Nat’s this season? No more 34c tires. I know OBRA won’t care what size tire your running but I would hate to get DQ’ed at Nats?
and thanks to Ryan T i really like the 34C tire size.
Dan…