Scott Fitzwater

If Floyd's allegations are true, who cares about his motivation for
revealing them.
Scotty

On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Jim Walker wrote:

> There probably are a couple hundred people that had jobs to work the Tour
> of
> Missouri that would like this to be corrected, but regret the manner it was
> presented.
> Landis did not do this out of love or respect for professional cycling and
> anyone who aspires to become a professional cyclist.
>
> To clarify, I don't have a problem with the message, but he chose to
> present
> it with an intent is to hurt cycling.
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of Ron and Dorothy Strasser
> Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 9:48 AM
> To: Don Leet; OBRA remailer
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Landis mounts a direct attack at cycling
>
> you and daccrizzow are right.
> ron
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don Leet"
> To: "OBRA remailer"
> Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 6:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Landis mounts a direct attack at cycling
>
>
> >I thought I was the only person who thought the TOC was over hyped. As to
> >the rest I agree, Floyd is either telling the truth or not, and I feel it
> >will all come out in the end. I will continue to ride, watch the Tour and
> >shave my legs weather we "look bad or not" As a master racer I have come
> to
>
> >realize that drugs are very common, and it has no affect on me and how I
> >enjoy what I do. So let Floyd vent. Cycling will survive because in the
> end
>
> >our sport is bigger than the people involved.
> > Don
> > On Jul 2, 2010, at 11:33 PM, dacrizzow wrote:
> >
> >> do you guys hear yourselves?! i agree, Landis' credibility is for
> >> nothing. he also at this point has nothing to lose. so why not throw it
> >> all out there on the table. so f!@#ing what if it embarrasses the
> >> sponsers. they're part of the problem. they pay for results from teams
> >> and for winning cyclists to race their races. dropping a bomb is how you
> >> get attention.someone has to pay the price in the beginning for the
> >> future. i don't care who dopes or doesn't. i will still watch. and if
> >> races are no longer televised, so what. i will still race. and if even
> >> local race directors no longer put on races, i will still ride. i worry
> >> more about someone on a phone hitting me or my friends more than i do
> >> about some over hyped race (the TOC specifcally) or weither some
> >> millionare texan gets his jerseys taken away. whatever it takes means
> >> just that. jesus, you guys sound like the same guys that get upset when
> a
>
> >> biker defends himself from aggessive drivers. 'it makes us all look
> bad'.
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we all need to go on a ride! i am puttin' a tire on (34c) and out the door!!!!!!!!
ron
----- Original Message -----
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To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Landis mounts a direct attack at cycling

On Jul 3, 2010, at 2:14 PM, Adrian Richardson wrote:

And what about those 4/5 sandbaggers not holding their lines!

See what i mean?! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0&feature=related

lol

I was fully expecting a video of Cavendish's Big Swerve!

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On Jul 3, 2010, at 2:14 PM, Adrian Richardson wrote:

> And what about those 4/5 sandbaggers not holding their lines!
>
> See what i mean?! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0&feature=related
>
>
> lol
>

I was fully expecting a video of Cavendish's Big Swerve!

Adrian Richardson

And what about those 4/5 sandbaggers not holding their lines!

See what i mean?! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0&feature=related

lol

On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Kevin wrote:

> and in a slight shift of focus........... Save your effort on bike lanes,
> I'd rather they prosecute fully those in cars who run us over when they fail
> to yield. A few of these folks making headlines for large fines or jail
> time would sure cut down on the "gee, I didn't see the cyclist" defense.
> (what that translates into is "I didn't look")
>
> IMHO until that happens we will continue to be the victims of buses,
> trucks, and SUV's.
>
>
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> What is happening in Kevin's corner of the bike world?
> http://the-whir-of-spokes-in-air.blogspot.com
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* dacrizzow
> *To:* obra@list.obra.org
> **
> "and sometimes others have to pay the price. so what. i'd rather this
> energy go to painting more bike lanes so i can ride easier."
> _______________________________________________
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Kevin

and in a slight shift of focus........... Save your effort on bike lanes, I'd rather they prosecute fully those in cars who run us over when they fail to yield. A few of these folks making headlines for large fines or jail time would sure cut down on the "gee, I didn't see the cyclist" defense. (what that translates into is "I didn't look")

IMHO until that happens we will continue to be the victims of buses, trucks, and SUV's.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
What is happening in Kevin's corner of the bike world?
http://the-whir-of-spokes-in-air.blogspot.com
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

________________________________
From: dacrizzow
To: obra@list.obra.org
"and sometimes others have to pay the price. so what. i'd rather this energy go to painting more bike lanes so i can ride easier."
_______________________________________________

dacrizzow

tour of missouri? seriously? you're blaming that on landis? first off it seems boring. second, those 200 people depending on a job that lasts (at best) a couple of months should consider something a little more stable than orginizing races. the Mt. Hood classic seems to be doing ok. as is the cascade classic. both of wich seem to be alot more exciting than the TOM. the Battenkill? that seems to be bigger than ever. there will always be bikes. and as long as there are bikes there will be races. and you know what? there will always be cheaters and sometimes people get what they deserve and sometimes others have to pay the price. so what. i'd rather this energy go to painting more bike lanes so i can ride easier.

John Fricker

If I'm not mistaken the Tour of Missouri was cancelled due to economic issues and the lack of an alternate title sponsor (to replace the hesitant state of Missouri). More of a political battle which went on for many months than anything related to PEDs and Landis.

On Jul 3, 2010, at 10:34 AM, Jim Walker wrote:

> There probably are a couple hundred people that had jobs to work the Tour of
> Missouri that would like this to be corrected, but regret the manner it was
> presented.
> Landis did not do this out of love or respect for professional cycling and
> anyone who aspires to become a professional cyclist.
>
> To clarify, I don't have a problem with the message, but he chose to present
> it with an intent is to hurt cycling.
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of Ron and Dorothy Strasser
> Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 9:48 AM
> To: Don Leet; OBRA remailer
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Landis mounts a direct attack at cycling
>
> you and daccrizzow are right.
> ron
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don Leet"
> To: "OBRA remailer"
> Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 6:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Landis mounts a direct attack at cycling
>
>
>> I thought I was the only person who thought the TOC was over hyped. As to
>> the rest I agree, Floyd is either telling the truth or not, and I feel it
>> will all come out in the end. I will continue to ride, watch the Tour and
>> shave my legs weather we "look bad or not" As a master racer I have come to
>
>> realize that drugs are very common, and it has no affect on me and how I
>> enjoy what I do. So let Floyd vent. Cycling will survive because in the end
>
>> our sport is bigger than the people involved.
>> Don
>> On Jul 2, 2010, at 11:33 PM, dacrizzow wrote:
>>
>>> do you guys hear yourselves?! i agree, Landis' credibility is for
>>> nothing. he also at this point has nothing to lose. so why not throw it
>>> all out there on the table. so f!@#ing what if it embarrasses the
>>> sponsers. they're part of the problem. they pay for results from teams
>>> and for winning cyclists to race their races. dropping a bomb is how you
>>> get attention.someone has to pay the price in the beginning for the
>>> future. i don't care who dopes or doesn't. i will still watch. and if
>>> races are no longer televised, so what. i will still race. and if even
>>> local race directors no longer put on races, i will still ride. i worry
>>> more about someone on a phone hitting me or my friends more than i do
>>> about some over hyped race (the TOC specifcally) or weither some
>>> millionare texan gets his jerseys taken away. whatever it takes means
>>> just that. jesus, you guys sound like the same guys that get upset when a
>
>>> biker defends himself from aggessive drivers. 'it makes us all look bad'.
>>> _______________________________________________
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Jim Walker

There probably are a couple hundred people that had jobs to work the Tour of
Missouri that would like this to be corrected, but regret the manner it was
presented.
Landis did not do this out of love or respect for professional cycling and
anyone who aspires to become a professional cyclist.

To clarify, I don't have a problem with the message, but he chose to present
it with an intent is to hurt cycling.
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Ron and Dorothy Strasser
Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 9:48 AM
To: Don Leet; OBRA remailer
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Landis mounts a direct attack at cycling

you and daccrizzow are right.
ron
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Leet"
To: "OBRA remailer"
Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 6:00 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Landis mounts a direct attack at cycling

>I thought I was the only person who thought the TOC was over hyped. As to
>the rest I agree, Floyd is either telling the truth or not, and I feel it
>will all come out in the end. I will continue to ride, watch the Tour and
>shave my legs weather we "look bad or not" As a master racer I have come to

>realize that drugs are very common, and it has no affect on me and how I
>enjoy what I do. So let Floyd vent. Cycling will survive because in the end

>our sport is bigger than the people involved.
> Don
> On Jul 2, 2010, at 11:33 PM, dacrizzow wrote:
>
>> do you guys hear yourselves?! i agree, Landis' credibility is for
>> nothing. he also at this point has nothing to lose. so why not throw it
>> all out there on the table. so f!@#ing what if it embarrasses the
>> sponsers. they're part of the problem. they pay for results from teams
>> and for winning cyclists to race their races. dropping a bomb is how you
>> get attention.someone has to pay the price in the beginning for the
>> future. i don't care who dopes or doesn't. i will still watch. and if
>> races are no longer televised, so what. i will still race. and if even
>> local race directors no longer put on races, i will still ride. i worry
>> more about someone on a phone hitting me or my friends more than i do
>> about some over hyped race (the TOC specifcally) or weither some
>> millionare texan gets his jerseys taken away. whatever it takes means
>> just that. jesus, you guys sound like the same guys that get upset when a

>> biker defends himself from aggessive drivers. 'it makes us all look bad'.
>> _______________________________________________
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>> obra@list.obra.org
>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
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you and daccrizzow are right.
ron
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Leet"
To: "OBRA remailer"
Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 6:00 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Landis mounts a direct attack at cycling

>I thought I was the only person who thought the TOC was over hyped. As to
>the rest I agree, Floyd is either telling the truth or not, and I feel it
>will all come out in the end. I will continue to ride, watch the Tour and
>shave my legs weather we "look bad or not" As a master racer I have come to
>realize that drugs are very common, and it has no affect on me and how I
>enjoy what I do. So let Floyd vent. Cycling will survive because in the end
>our sport is bigger than the people involved.
> Don
> On Jul 2, 2010, at 11:33 PM, dacrizzow wrote:
>
>> do you guys hear yourselves?! i agree, Landis' credibility is for
>> nothing. he also at this point has nothing to lose. so why not throw it
>> all out there on the table. so f!@#ing what if it embarrasses the
>> sponsers. they're part of the problem. they pay for results from teams
>> and for winning cyclists to race their races. dropping a bomb is how you
>> get attention.someone has to pay the price in the beginning for the
>> future. i don't care who dopes or doesn't. i will still watch. and if
>> races are no longer televised, so what. i will still race. and if even
>> local race directors no longer put on races, i will still ride. i worry
>> more about someone on a phone hitting me or my friends more than i do
>> about some over hyped race (the TOC specifcally) or weither some
>> millionare texan gets his jerseys taken away. whatever it takes means
>> just that. jesus, you guys sound like the same guys that get upset when a
>> biker defends himself from aggessive drivers. 'it makes us all look bad'.
>> _______________________________________________
>> OBRA mailing list
>> obra@list.obra.org
>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
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Ron and Dorothy Strasser

thank you dacrizzow. needed some sanity.
ron
----- Original Message -----
From: "dacrizzow"
To:
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 11:33 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Landis mounts a direct attack at cycling

> do you guys hear yourselves?! i agree, Landis' credibility is for nothing.
> he also at this point has nothing to lose. so why not throw it all out
> there on the table. so f!@#ing what if it embarrasses the sponsers.
> they're part of the problem. they pay for results from teams and for
> winning cyclists to race their races. dropping a bomb is how you get
> attention.someone has to pay the price in the beginning for the future. i
> don't care who dopes or doesn't. i will still watch. and if races are no
> longer televised, so what. i will still race. and if even local race
> directors no longer put on races, i will still ride. i worry more about
> someone on a phone hitting me or my friends more than i do about some over
> hyped race (the TOC specifcally) or weither some millionare texan gets his
> jerseys taken away. whatever it takes means just that. jesus, you guys
> sound like the same guys that get upset when a biker defends himself from
> aggessive drivers. 'it makes us all look bad'.
> _______________________________________________
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> obra@list.obra.org
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John Fricker

On Jul 3, 2010, at 9:03 AM, Scott Fitzwater wrote:

> Riders that dope are hurting the sport not people who disclose the doping regardless how it's disclosed.
> Scott
>
>

Very true.

Riders that dope are also hurting themselves. There are serious side effects to PEDs including mental health. Even the ubiquitous ibuprofen can be fatal when used in sports (dehydration and a heavy dose of ibuprofen can cause kidney failure). Ride smart.

John

Scott Fitzwater

Riders that dope are hurting the sport not people who disclose the doping
regardless how it's disclosed.
Scott

On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Jim Walker wrote:

> I don't know if what he says is true or not. However, the way he and the
> WSJ has gone about this will cause significant collateral damage. There are
> other ways he could have approached that would have resulted in more
> positive results.
>
> I'm totally behind "Clean Riding". However, I am also concerned that there
> are a number of clean, talented, younger riders that won't achieve what they
> could have, if this was handled in a more professional manner. Especially,
> considering all the other episodes for the last ten years or more, to have
> these races targeted will hurt. Maybe the WSJ is to blame for this one, but
> the Tour of California (arguably the most prestigious American race) was
> clearly targeted by Landis.
>
> We have already lost the Tour of Georgia and Missouri. The Tour of Missouri
> was cancelled four days after the Tour of California ended. It is malicious
> and disingenuous not to have told the whole story in May, and then release
> another episode the day before the TDF.
>
> The probability is that this approach is going to hurt riders, teams,
> promoters and sponsors. There will be another round of sponsors leaving the
> sport, and it will be even harder to recruit new sponsors. There are better
> ways to have handled this. The reality is this will cost millions of
> dollars. Embarrassed advertisers and sponsors are not likely to continue
> financial support and that will result in a number of lost future
> opportunities for many.
>
> If this had come from within organized cycling, there could have been a
> minimal negative effect, to no significant effect, or even a possible
> positive effect. Instead of looking like a sport and group of individuals
> that should be admired (and they most certainly deserve to be), for the next
> week and beyond, professional cycling is going to look like a group of
> scoundrels and incompetents.
>
> Landis did not have to take this tactic.
>
> Will professional cycling still exist? Yes, but it just got exponentially
> harder.
>
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron and Dorothy Strasser [mailto:rondot@spiritone.com]
> Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 9:02 PM
> To: Jim Walker; obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Landis mounts a direct attack at cycling
>
> Not saying he is telling the truth, but.............If it is true then it
> should be told. On the eve or not. The ones not doping should win in the
> end if the sport really does get cleaned up. I personally believe it is
> getting cleaner, but I do not know. If the people in power in cycling, be
> it the teams or governing bodies etc. work together to make the sport clean
> then it will be better for the future. There are low times in life and
> then
> higher times. I would not be surprised it Mr. Landis had an axe to grind
> because he was caught and to some this seems like sour grapes... but my
> bottom line is if it is true, it needs to be out there and I could care
> less
> when the truth came out.
> I personally think cheaters will do all they can especially when money is
> the reward. I put most fault on the governing bodies for not doing what is
> necessary to clean the sport up. The sport will not die but be stronger if
> it free of doping.
> my opinion.
> ron
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Walker"
> To:
> Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 7:12 PM
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Landis mounts a direct attack at cycling
>
>
> > It is so disingenuous that he chooses to make these serious accusations
> > not only in the press, but on the eve of the major races.
> >
> > It is impossible to comprehend how he thinks this is going to �help�
> > cycling.
> >
> > This stunt is going to lead to a significant decrease in the number of
> > jobs available in professional cycling.
> >
> >
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703964104575334812419976690.html?mod=WSJ_hps_LEADNewsCollection
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Don Leet

I thought I was the only person who thought the TOC was over hyped. As to the rest I agree, Floyd is either telling the truth or not, and I feel it will all come out in the end. I will continue to ride, watch the Tour and shave my legs weather we "look bad or not" As a master racer I have come to realize that drugs are very common, and it has no affect on me and how I enjoy what I do. So let Floyd vent. Cycling will survive because in the end our sport is bigger than the people involved.
Don
On Jul 2, 2010, at 11:33 PM, dacrizzow wrote:

> do you guys hear yourselves?! i agree, Landis' credibility is for nothing. he also at this point has nothing to lose. so why not throw it all out there on the table. so f!@#ing what if it embarrasses the sponsers. they're part of the problem. they pay for results from teams and for winning cyclists to race their races. dropping a bomb is how you get attention.someone has to pay the price in the beginning for the future. i don't care who dopes or doesn't. i will still watch. and if races are no longer televised, so what. i will still race. and if even local race directors no longer put on races, i will still ride. i worry more about someone on a phone hitting me or my friends more than i do about some over hyped race (the TOC specifcally) or weither some millionare texan gets his jerseys taken away. whatever it takes means just that. jesus, you guys sound like the same guys that get upset when a biker defends himself from aggessive drivers. 'it makes us all look bad'.
> _______________________________________________
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dacrizzow

do you guys hear yourselves?! i agree, Landis' credibility is for nothing. he also at this point has nothing to lose. so why not throw it all out there on the table. so f!@#ing what if it embarrasses the sponsers. they're part of the problem. they pay for results from teams and for winning cyclists to race their races. dropping a bomb is how you get attention.someone has to pay the price in the beginning for the future. i don't care who dopes or doesn't. i will still watch. and if races are no longer televised, so what. i will still race. and if even local race directors no longer put on races, i will still ride. i worry more about someone on a phone hitting me or my friends more than i do about some over hyped race (the TOC specifcally) or weither some millionare texan gets his jerseys taken away. whatever it takes means just that. jesus, you guys sound like the same guys that get upset when a biker defends himself from aggessive drivers. 'it makes us all look bad'.

Jim Walker

I don't know if what he says is true or not. However, the way he and the WSJ has gone about this will cause significant collateral damage. There are other ways he could have approached that would have resulted in more positive results.

I'm totally behind "Clean Riding". However, I am also concerned that there are a number of clean, talented, younger riders that won't achieve what they could have, if this was handled in a more professional manner. Especially, considering all the other episodes for the last ten years or more, to have these races targeted will hurt. Maybe the WSJ is to blame for this one, but the Tour of California (arguably the most prestigious American race) was clearly targeted by Landis.

We have already lost the Tour of Georgia and Missouri. The Tour of Missouri was cancelled four days after the Tour of California ended. It is malicious and disingenuous not to have told the whole story in May, and then release another episode the day before the TDF.

The probability is that this approach is going to hurt riders, teams, promoters and sponsors. There will be another round of sponsors leaving the sport, and it will be even harder to recruit new sponsors. There are better ways to have handled this. The reality is this will cost millions of dollars. Embarrassed advertisers and sponsors are not likely to continue financial support and that will result in a number of lost future opportunities for many.

If this had come from within organized cycling, there could have been a minimal negative effect, to no significant effect, or even a possible positive effect. Instead of looking like a sport and group of individuals that should be admired (and they most certainly deserve to be), for the next week and beyond, professional cycling is going to look like a group of scoundrels and incompetents.

Landis did not have to take this tactic.

Will professional cycling still exist? Yes, but it just got exponentially harder.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron and Dorothy Strasser [mailto:rondot@spiritone.com]
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 9:02 PM
To: Jim Walker; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Landis mounts a direct attack at cycling

Not saying he is telling the truth, but.............If it is true then it
should be told. On the eve or not. The ones not doping should win in the
end if the sport really does get cleaned up. I personally believe it is
getting cleaner, but I do not know. If the people in power in cycling, be
it the teams or governing bodies etc. work together to make the sport clean
then it will be better for the future. There are low times in life and then
higher times. I would not be surprised it Mr. Landis had an axe to grind
because he was caught and to some this seems like sour grapes... but my
bottom line is if it is true, it needs to be out there and I could care less
when the truth came out.
I personally think cheaters will do all they can especially when money is
the reward. I put most fault on the governing bodies for not doing what is
necessary to clean the sport up. The sport will not die but be stronger if
it free of doping.
my opinion.
ron
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Walker"
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Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 7:12 PM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Landis mounts a direct attack at cycling

> It is so disingenuous that he chooses to make these serious accusations
> not only in the press, but on the eve of the major races.
>
> It is impossible to comprehend how he thinks this is going to �help�
> cycling.
>
> This stunt is going to lead to a significant decrease in the number of
> jobs available in professional cycling.
>
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halfwheelhill@yahoo.com

I don't think brunelle would tell landis they sold the bikes to pay for doping. I am sure they doped but the story just sounds fishy. At this point I have a hard time believing anything landis says.

Scott
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Ron and Dorothy Strasser"
Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 21:01:33
To: Jim Walker;
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Landis mounts a direct attack at cycling

Not saying he is telling the truth, but.............If it is true then it
should be told. On the eve or not. The ones not doping should win in the
end if the sport really does get cleaned up. I personally believe it is
getting cleaner, but I do not know. If the people in power in cycling, be
it the teams or governing bodies etc. work together to make the sport clean
then it will be better for the future. There are low times in life and then
higher times. I would not be surprised it Mr. Landis had an axe to grind
because he was caught and to some this seems like sour grapes... but my
bottom line is if it is true, it needs to be out there and I could care less
when the truth came out.
I personally think cheaters will do all they can especially when money is
the reward. I put most fault on the governing bodies for not doing what is
necessary to clean the sport up. The sport will not die but be stronger if
it free of doping.
my opinion.
ron
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Walker"
To:
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 7:12 PM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Landis mounts a direct attack at cycling

> It is so disingenuous that he chooses to make these serious accusations
> not only in the press, but on the eve of the major races.
>
> It is impossible to comprehend how he thinks this is going to “help”
> cycling.
>
> This stunt is going to lead to a significant decrease in the number of
> jobs available in professional cycling.
>
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703964104575334812419976690.html?mod=WSJ_hps_LEADNewsCollection
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Ron and Dorothy Strasser

Not saying he is telling the truth, but.............If it is true then it
should be told. On the eve or not. The ones not doping should win in the
end if the sport really does get cleaned up. I personally believe it is
getting cleaner, but I do not know. If the people in power in cycling, be
it the teams or governing bodies etc. work together to make the sport clean
then it will be better for the future. There are low times in life and then
higher times. I would not be surprised it Mr. Landis had an axe to grind
because he was caught and to some this seems like sour grapes... but my
bottom line is if it is true, it needs to be out there and I could care less
when the truth came out.
I personally think cheaters will do all they can especially when money is
the reward. I put most fault on the governing bodies for not doing what is
necessary to clean the sport up. The sport will not die but be stronger if
it free of doping.
my opinion.
ron
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Walker"
To:
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 7:12 PM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Landis mounts a direct attack at cycling

> It is so disingenuous that he chooses to make these serious accusations
> not only in the press, but on the eve of the major races.
>
> It is impossible to comprehend how he thinks this is going to “help”
> cycling.
>
> This stunt is going to lead to a significant decrease in the number of
> jobs available in professional cycling.
>
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703964104575334812419976690.html?mod=WSJ_hps_LEADNewsCollection
> _______________________________________________
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Jim Walker

It is so disingenuous that he chooses to make these serious accusations not only in the press, but on the eve of the major races.

It is impossible to comprehend how he thinks this is going to “help” cycling.

This stunt is going to lead to a significant decrease in the number of jobs available in professional cycling.

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