RE: RE:Abici Demo Booth

Schreck, George

2002-07-05

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I think you need to be very careful about spreading these things around.

There are no specifics and it seems like this is just an opinion being

passed around without any facts. Unless you have a specific personal

experience to relate, I do not think you should use the OBRA chat to spread

malicious gossip. This can be unfairly damaging to the subject person, and

you should be aware that it can subject you to a lawsuit for defamation.



                          George C. Schreck

                           Phone: (503) 813-7211

                           Fax: (503) 813-7190





-----Original Message-----

From: cameron ingram [mailto:canei-@hotmail.com]

Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 12:12 AM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] RE:Abici Demo Booth









Word on the Banana Belt Ride is that this guy is very shady and he lies. I



tell you this as a concerned friend. BE CAREFUL!



Cane Ingram



  Hello OBRA Members



Abici Bicycle Company will be setting up a demo booth

at the Portland AVC 7-19 to 7/21.



Is there anyone going to Bakersfield for Masters National Road

that would be able to transport bicycles and outdoor tent

from Bakersfield to Portland on July 14th.



We will be happy to discuss compensation for any interested parties.



Clark Metcalfe

cl-@abicibikes.com

www.abicibikes.com

805 557 9954



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<P><FONT SIZE=2>I think you need to be very careful about spreading these things around.  There are no specifics and it seems like this is just an opinion being passed around without any facts.  Unless you have a specific personal experience to relate, I do not think you should use the OBRA chat to spread malicious gossip.  This can be unfairly damaging to the subject person, and you should be aware that it can subject you to a lawsuit for defamation.</FONT></P>



<P><FONT SIZE=2>                          George C. Schreck</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>                           Phone: (503) 813-7211</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>                           Fax: (503) 813-7190</FONT>

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<P><FONT SIZE=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>From: cameron ingram [<A HREF="mailto:canei-@hotmail.com">mailto:canei-@hotmail.com</A>]</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 12:12 AM</FONT>

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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Subject: [OBRA Chat] RE:Abici Demo Booth</FONT>

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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Word on the Banana Belt Ride is that this guy is very shady and he lies.  I  </FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>tell you this as a concerned friend. BE CAREFUL!</FONT>

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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Cane Ingram</FONT>

</P>



<P><FONT SIZE=2>>>Hello OBRA Members</FONT>

</P>



<P><FONT SIZE=2>Abici Bicycle Company will be setting up a demo booth</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>at the Portland AVC 7-19 to 7/21.</FONT>

</P>



<P><FONT SIZE=2>Is there anyone going to Bakersfield for Masters National Road</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>that would be able to transport bicycles and outdoor tent</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>from Bakersfield to Portland on July 14th.</FONT>

</P>



<P><FONT SIZE=2>We will be happy to discuss compensation for any interested parties.</FONT>

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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Clark Metcalfe</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>cl-@abicibikes.com</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>www.abicibikes.com</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2>805 557 9954</FONT>

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Candi Murray/Oregon Bicycle Racing Assn

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[OBRA Chat] RE:Abici Demo Booth

The wording of the original message show that this poster does not know what

he is talking about "Banana Belt Ride". There was never a Banana Belt Ride,

it was a race series. It is obvious that he is trying to damage Clark and

Abici and he is full of shit.



Candi



ps I have deleted him from the obra list





-----Original Message-----

From: David Auker [mailto:Dav-@Hevanet.Com]

Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 9:00 AM

To: john-@msn.com; bigsung-@attbi.com; OBRA

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] RE:Abici Demo Booth





I think the original poster meant Clark "lies" down to sleep at night,

and rides on "very shady" lanes. Sounds fine to me! He's one of the bunch!

:-)

-David





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    From: JOHN F FORBES

    To: bigsung-@attbi.com ; OBRA

    Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 8:26 AM

    Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] RE:Abici Demo Booth





    What a ridiculous email! Clark is an upstanding guy with a great

product. I know quite a few riders, pro and otherwise, who ride Abici bikes

and love 'em.

    John Forbes

      ....

      Word on the Banana Belt Ride is that this guy is very shady and he

lies. I

      tell you this as a concerned friend. BE CAREFUL!



      Cane Ingram



      >>Hello OBRA Members



      Abici Bicycle Company will be setting up a demo booth

      at the Portland AVC 7-19 to 7/21.









      Is there anyone going to Bakersfield for Masters National Road

      that would be able to transport bicycles and outdoor tent

      from Bakersfield to Portland on July 14th.



      We will be happy to discuss compensation for any interested parties.



      Clark Metcalfe

      cl-@abicibikes.com

      www.abicibikes.com

      805 557 9954



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<DIV><SPAN class=203075715-05072002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The

wording of the original message show that this poster does not know what he is

talking about "Banana Belt Ride". There was never a Banana Belt Ride, it was a

race series.  It is obvious that he is trying to damage Clark and Abici and

he is full of shit.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>

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size=2>Candi</FONT></SPAN></DIV>

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size=2>ps  I have deleted him from the obra list</FONT></SPAN></DIV>

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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> David Auker

[mailto:Dav-@Hevanet.Com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 05, 2002 9:00

AM<BR><B>To:</B> john-@msn.com; bigsung-@attbi.com;

OBRA<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [OBRA Chat] RE:Abici Demo

Booth<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I think the original poster meant Clark "lies"

down  to sleep at night, and rides on "very shady" lanes.  Sounds

fine to me!  He's one of the bunch!  :-)</FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial>-David</FONT></DIV>

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    style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>

    <A title=j-@msn.com href="mailto:john-@msn.com">JOHN F FORBES</A>

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    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=bigs-@attbi.com

    href="mailto:bigsung-@attbi.com">bigsung-@attbi.com</A> ; <A

    title-@topica.com href="mailto:ob-@topica.com">OBRA</A> </DIV>

    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 05, 2002 8:26

    AM</DIV>

    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [OBRA Chat] RE:Abici Demo

    Booth</DIV>

    <DIV><BR></DIV>

    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>What a ridiculous email! Clark is an upstanding

    guy with a great product. I know quite a few riders, pro and otherwise, who

    ride Abici bikes and love 'em.</FONT></DIV>

    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>John Forbes</FONT></DIV>

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      <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><TT>Word on the Banana Belt Ride is that

      this guy is very shady and he lies.  I  <BR>tell you this as a

      concerned friend. BE CAREFUL!<BR><BR>Cane Ingram<BR><BR>>>Hello OBRA

      Members<BR><BR>Abici Bicycle Company will be setting up a demo booth<BR>at

      the Portland AVC 7-19 to 7/21.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Is there anyone going to

      Bakersfield for Masters National Road<BR>that would be able to transport

      bicycles and outdoor tent<BR>from Bakersfield to Portland on July

      14th.<BR><BR>We will be happy to discuss compensation for any interested

      parties.<BR><BR>Clark Metcalfe<BR><FONT

      color=#0000ff><U>cl-@abicibikes.com<BR></U></FONT>www.abicibikes.com<BR>805

      557

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[OBRA Chat] RE:Abici Demo BoothI think the original poster meant Clark "lies" down to sleep at night, and rides on "very shady" lanes. Sounds fine to me! He's one of the bunch! :-)

-David





----- Original Message -----

From: JOHN F FORBES

To: bigsung-@attbi.com ; OBRA

Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 8:26 AM

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] RE:Abici Demo Booth





What a ridiculous email! Clark is an upstanding guy with a great product. I know quite a few riders, pro and otherwise, who ride Abici bikes and love 'em.

John Forbes

    ....

    Word on the Banana Belt Ride is that this guy is very shady and he lies. I

    tell you this as a concerned friend. BE CAREFUL!



    Cane Ingram



    >>Hello OBRA Members



    Abici Bicycle Company will be setting up a demo booth

    at the Portland AVC 7-19 to 7/21.









    Is there anyone going to Bakersfield for Masters National Road

    that would be able to transport bicycles and outdoor tent

    from Bakersfield to Portland on July 14th.



    We will be happy to discuss compensation for any interested parties.



    Clark Metcalfe

    cl-@abicibikes.com

    www.abicibikes.com

    805 557 9954



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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I think the original poster meant Clark "lies" down 

to sleep at night, and rides on "very shady" lanes.  Sounds fine to

me!  He's one of the bunch!  :-)</FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial>-David</FONT></DIV>

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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 05, 2002 8:26 AM</DIV>

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Booth</DIV>

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>What a ridiculous email! Clark is an upstanding

guy with a great product. I know quite a few riders, pro and otherwise, who

ride Abici bikes and love 'em.</FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>John Forbes</FONT></DIV>

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    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><TT>Word on the Banana Belt Ride is that this

    guy is very shady and he lies.  I  <BR>tell you this as a

    concerned friend. BE CAREFUL!<BR><BR>Cane Ingram<BR><BR>>>Hello OBRA

    Members<BR><BR>Abici Bicycle Company will be setting up a demo booth<BR>at

    the Portland AVC 7-19 to 7/21.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Is there anyone going to

    Bakersfield for Masters National Road<BR>that would be able to transport

    bicycles and outdoor tent<BR>from Bakersfield to Portland on July

    14th.<BR><BR>We will be happy to discuss compensation for any interested

    parties.<BR><BR>Clark Metcalfe<BR><FONT

    color=#0000ff><U>cl-@abicibikes.com<BR></U></FONT>www.abicibikes.com<BR>805

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[OBRA Chat] RE:Abici Demo BoothWhat a ridiculous email! Clark is an upstanding guy with a great product. I know quite a few riders, pro and otherwise, who ride Abici bikes and love 'em.

John Forbes

----- Original Message -----

From: Joe Zauner

To: OBRA

Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 6:34 AM

Subject: [OBRA Chat] RE:Abici Demo Booth





I've been conducting business with Clark for the past six months and I've never had any problems. He pays the specified amount on time and seems like a pretty nice person and a straight-forward business person.







Joe Zauner

Northwest Race Report.com

http://nwracereport.com/index.html

Editor-in-chief

Macro Sun Graphics

http://home.attbi.com/~bigsungraphics/

Owner

Seattle WA

















Word on the Banana Belt Ride is that this guy is very shady and he lies. I

tell you this as a concerned friend. BE CAREFUL!



Cane Ingram



>>Hello OBRA Members



Abici Bicycle Company will be setting up a demo booth

at the Portland AVC 7-19 to 7/21.









Is there anyone going to Bakersfield for Masters National Road

that would be able to transport bicycles and outdoor tent

from Bakersfield to Portland on July 14th.



We will be happy to discuss compensation for any interested parties.



Clark Metcalfe

cl-@abicibikes.com

www.abicibikes.com

805 557 9954



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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>What a ridiculous email! Clark is an upstanding guy

with a great product. I know quite a few riders, pro and otherwise, who ride

Abici bikes and love 'em.</FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>John Forbes</FONT></DIV>

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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [OBRA Chat] RE:Abici Demo

Booth</DIV>

<DIV><BR></DIV><TT>I've been conducting business with Clark for the past six

months and I've never had any problems. He pays the specified amount on time

and seems like a pretty nice person and a straight-forward business person.

<BR><BR><BR><BR></TT>Joe Zauner<BR><B><I>Northwest Race

Report.com<BR></I></B><A

href="http://nwracereport.com/index.html">http://nwracereport.com/index.html</A><BR>Editor-in-chief<BR><B><I>Macro

Sun Graphics<BR></I></B><A

href="http://home.attbi.com/~bigsungraphics/">http://home.attbi.com/~bigsungraphics/</A>

<BR>Owner<BR>Seattle WA<BR><BR><TT><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Word on the

Banana Belt Ride is that this guy is very shady and he lies.  I

 <BR>tell you this as a concerned friend. BE CAREFUL!<BR><BR>Cane

Ingram<BR><BR>>>Hello OBRA Members<BR><BR>Abici Bicycle Company will be

setting up a demo booth<BR>at the Portland AVC 7-19 to

7/21.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Is there anyone going to Bakersfield for Masters

National Road<BR>that would be able to transport bicycles and outdoor

tent<BR>from Bakersfield to Portland on July 14th.<BR><BR>We will be happy to

discuss compensation for any interested parties.<BR><BR>Clark

Metcalfe<BR><FONT

color=#0000ff><U>cl-@abicibikes.com<BR></U></FONT>www.abicibikes.com<BR>805

557

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Joe Cipale

2002-07-05

Without factual proof or evidence of 'wrongdoing', I suggest we file

this as nothing more than a 'troll' post. Move on, go ride bike..



Joe CIpale



Roger-@lucy.com wrote:

 This type of post can be very damaging to small businesses and the

economics

of our business friends in the cycling community. I hope we send them

only

as a last resort.



The statements in the email lack factual content (what did he lie

about?),

and contain personal judgments ("is very shady").



When I read it, my reaction was:



"Hmm I wonder what happened? What are the events that lead up to this?

Would

I be upset if I was in his shoes? What other means to resolve the issue

were

tried before a defaming email that probably hindered resolution was

sent?"



I've never dealt with either person, nor have I even met them.



Cheers !



-r



-----Original Message-----

From: cameron ingram [mailto:canei-@hotmail.com]

Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 12:12 AM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] RE:Abici Demo Booth









Word on the Banana Belt Ride is that this guy is very shady and he lies.

I

tell you this as a concerned friend. BE CAREFUL!



Cane Ingram



  Hello OBRA Members



Abici Bicycle Company will be setting up a demo booth

at the Portland AVC 7-19 to 7/21.



Is there anyone going to Bakersfield for Masters National Road

that would be able to transport bicycles and outdoor tent

from Bakersfield to Portland on July 14th.



We will be happy to discuss compensation for any interested parties.



Clark Metcalfe

cl-@abicibikes.com

www.abicibikes.com

805 557 9954



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Roger-@lucy.com

2002-07-05

This type of post can be very damaging to small businesses and the economics

of our business friends in the cycling community. I hope we send them only

as a last resort.



The statements in the email lack factual content (what did he lie about?),

and contain personal judgments ("is very shady").



When I read it, my reaction was:



"Hmm I wonder what happened? What are the events that lead up to this? Would

I be upset if I was in his shoes? What other means to resolve the issue were

tried before a defaming email that probably hindered resolution was sent?"



I've never dealt with either person, nor have I even met them.



Cheers !



-r



-----Original Message-----

From: cameron ingram [mailto:canei-@hotmail.com]

Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 12:12 AM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] RE:Abici Demo Booth









Word on the Banana Belt Ride is that this guy is very shady and he lies. I

tell you this as a concerned friend. BE CAREFUL!



Cane Ingram



  Hello OBRA Members



Abici Bicycle Company will be setting up a demo booth

at the Portland AVC 7-19 to 7/21.



Is there anyone going to Bakersfield for Masters National Road

that would be able to transport bicycles and outdoor tent

from Bakersfield to Portland on July 14th.



We will be happy to discuss compensation for any interested parties.



Clark Metcalfe

cl-@abicibikes.com

www.abicibikes.com

805 557 9954



_________________________________________________________________

Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com



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