Mike Murray

It will be far more effective and far less destructive to direct complaints to team management as opposed to sponsors.

Bib/plate numbers are useful to officials only. Who else can I'd someone by those numbers?

I am imagining a sponsor, who might have difficulty even naming individual sponsored riders, trying to figure out what to do with a bib number.

There is a point here though. Just because people are on bikes does not mean they are a homogeneous group. Even those dressed in Lycra are pretty disparate. The probability that the offenders described in the original post are being reached by this discussion is small. Often this point is missed even by cycling advocates. It is useful, when hearing a description of the behavior of cyclists, to substitute in a racial descriptor for "cyclist". It makes it a bit easier to ferret out whether a systematic problem is being described or whether we are talking about the action of a few random jerks and the presence of bicycle is just coincidental.
Mike Murray - Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

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From: eric aldinger
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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 11:27:19
To: T. Kenji Sugahara
Cc:
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Rock creek rd (RR Tracks)

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Agreed. But, we should always set the benchmark.

On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 11:27 AM, eric aldinger wrote:
> Easy to address for sponsored team riders. Email their sponsor with your
> concern and the the plate/bib numbers. For non-competative riders, who are
> not on this list, are super slow, chatting about tweed and organics, and way
> more aggregious offenders, there is no hope but to challange them to a duel
> of smugness.
>
> On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 11:21 AM, T. Kenji Sugahara wrote:
>>
>> Also as a FYI:
>>
>> Here's a guest opinion I wrote for the Statesman Journal regarding the
>> same issues:
>>
>> http://www.statesmanjournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=20107210402
>>
>> Sharing the road also includes our sharing the road with vehicles.  I,
>> along with your team leaders, sponsors and fellow riders expect all
>> riders to ride in a considerate manner.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 11:11 AM,   wrote:
>> > Unfortunately this is seen all to often.  Most days when I have to drive
>> > to
>> > PIR I see the same riders riding double or triple file abreast on
>> > Interstate
>> > talking (and usually the inside one is on the line, not in the bike
>> > lane),
>> > while a line of cars forms behind them.
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Lynne Cuevas"
>> > To: obra@list.obra.org
>> > Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 10:31:06 AM
>> > Subject: [OBRA Chat] Rock creek rd (RR Tracks)
>> >
>> > Hi all,
>> >   I just wanted to share a conversation that I had with my neighbor last
>> > night with you all.  It may cause a shit storm but I think it needs to
>> > be
>> > said.
>> >   He works for the guy that has the big house towards the top of the
>> > hill
>> > and also the log house on the bottom section.  As he was headed to work
>> > I
>> > think it was yesterday, he ran across a large group of cyclists on the
>> > road
>> > at the RR track crossing on the lower section.  Apparently one of them
>> > had
>> > pinch flatted and was changing his tube, in the middle of the road.  As
>> > he
>> > says it, all of the bikes were in the road.  He asked them to move so he
>> > could pass without going into oncoming traffic and they told him to go
>> > around.  He said No, please move off to the side because I don't want to
>> > go
>> > into this blind corner and there is a huge pullout 40' away you could
>> > congregate in instead of the road.  He ended up being forced to take the
>> > other lane and was cussed at and flipped off.
>> >   He has told me that his boss is looking to run a cyclist off the road.
>> >  These people are pissed that people won't share the road, like we say
>> > we
>> > will.  Is it just me, or do you guys think the cyclists have the right
>> > to
>> > block the majority of the road so their buddy can change a flat?  It
>> > makes
>> > it harder for me to ride alone safe in my opinion when others don't ride
>> > responsibly.
>> >
>> > Thanks, just wanted to let you know, we are making enemies doing this,
>> > and
>> > they are looking for revenge.
>> >
>> > Lynne
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>

eric aldinger

Easy to address for sponsored team riders. Email their sponsor with your
concern and the the plate/bib numbers. For non-competative riders, who are
not on this list, are super slow, chatting about tweed and organics, and way
more aggregious offenders, there is no hope but to challange them to a duel
of smugness.

On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 11:21 AM, T. Kenji Sugahara wrote:

> Also as a FYI:
>
> Here's a guest opinion I wrote for the Statesman Journal regarding the
> same issues:
>
> http://www.statesmanjournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=20107210402
>
> Sharing the road also includes our sharing the road with vehicles. I,
> along with your team leaders, sponsors and fellow riders expect all
> riders to ride in a considerate manner.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 11:11 AM, wrote:
> > Unfortunately this is seen all to often. Most days when I have to drive
> to
> > PIR I see the same riders riding double or triple file abreast on
> Interstate
> > talking (and usually the inside one is on the line, not in the bike
> lane),
> > while a line of cars forms behind them.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Lynne Cuevas"
> > To: obra@list.obra.org
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 10:31:06 AM
> > Subject: [OBRA Chat] Rock creek rd (RR Tracks)
> >
> > Hi all,
> > I just wanted to share a conversation that I had with my neighbor last
> > night with you all. It may cause a shit storm but I think it needs to be
> > said.
> > He works for the guy that has the big house towards the top of the hill
> > and also the log house on the bottom section. As he was headed to work I
> > think it was yesterday, he ran across a large group of cyclists on the
> road
> > at the RR track crossing on the lower section. Apparently one of them
> had
> > pinch flatted and was changing his tube, in the middle of the road. As
> he
> > says it, all of the bikes were in the road. He asked them to move so he
> > could pass without going into oncoming traffic and they told him to go
> > around. He said No, please move off to the side because I don't want to
> go
> > into this blind corner and there is a huge pullout 40' away you could
> > congregate in instead of the road. He ended up being forced to take the
> > other lane and was cussed at and flipped off.
> > He has told me that his boss is looking to run a cyclist off the road.
> > These people are pissed that people won't share the road, like we say we
> > will. Is it just me, or do you guys think the cyclists have the right to
> > block the majority of the road so their buddy can change a flat? It
> makes
> > it harder for me to ride alone safe in my opinion when others don't ride
> > responsibly.
> >
> > Thanks, just wanted to let you know, we are making enemies doing this,
> and
> > they are looking for revenge.
> >
> > Lynne
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T. Kenji Sugahara

Also as a FYI:

Here's a guest opinion I wrote for the Statesman Journal regarding the
same issues:

http://www.statesmanjournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=20107210402

Sharing the road also includes our sharing the road with vehicles. I,
along with your team leaders, sponsors and fellow riders expect all
riders to ride in a considerate manner.

On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 11:11 AM, wrote:
> Unfortunately this is seen all to often.  Most days when I have to drive to
> PIR I see the same riders riding double or triple file abreast on Interstate
> talking (and usually the inside one is on the line, not in the bike lane),
> while a line of cars forms behind them.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lynne Cuevas"
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 10:31:06 AM
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Rock creek rd (RR Tracks)
>
> Hi all,
>   I just wanted to share a conversation that I had with my neighbor last
> night with you all.  It may cause a shit storm but I think it needs to be
> said.
>   He works for the guy that has the big house towards the top of the hill
> and also the log house on the bottom section.  As he was headed to work I
> think it was yesterday, he ran across a large group of cyclists on the road
> at the RR track crossing on the lower section.  Apparently one of them had
> pinch flatted and was changing his tube, in the middle of the road.  As he
> says it, all of the bikes were in the road.  He asked them to move so he
> could pass without going into oncoming traffic and they told him to go
> around.  He said No, please move off to the side because I don't want to go
> into this blind corner and there is a huge pullout 40' away you could
> congregate in instead of the road.  He ended up being forced to take the
> other lane and was cussed at and flipped off.
>   He has told me that his boss is looking to run a cyclist off the road.
>  These people are pissed that people won't share the road, like we say we
> will.  Is it just me, or do you guys think the cyclists have the right to
> block the majority of the road so their buddy can change a flat?  It makes
> it harder for me to ride alone safe in my opinion when others don't ride
> responsibly.
>
> Thanks, just wanted to let you know, we are making enemies doing this, and
> they are looking for revenge.
>
> Lynne
> _______________________________________________
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> obra@list.obra.org
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jon.ragsdale@comcast.net

Unfortunately this is seen all to often. Most days when I have to drive to PIR I see the same riders riding double or triple file abreast on Interstate talking (and usually the inside one is on the line, not in the bike lane), while a line of cars forms behind them.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynne Cuevas"
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 10:31:06 AM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Rock creek rd (RR Tracks)

Hi all,
I just wanted to share a conversation that I had with my neighbor last night with you all. It may cause a shit storm but I think it needs to be said.
He works for the guy that has the big house towards the top of the hill and also the log house on the bottom section. As he was headed to work I think it was yesterday, he ran across a large group of cyclists on the road at the RR track crossing on the lower section. Apparently one of them had pinch flatted and was changing his tube, in the middle of the road. As he says it, all of the bikes were in the road. He asked them to move so he could pass without going into oncoming traffic and they told him to go around. He said No, please move off to the side because I don't want to go into this blind corner and there is a huge pullout 40' away you could congregate in instead of the road. He ended up being forced to take the other lane and was cussed at and flipped off.
He has told me that his boss is looking to run a cyclist off the road. These people are pissed that people won't share the road, like we say we will. Is it just me, or do you guys think the cyclists have the right to block the majority of the road so their buddy can change a flat? It makes it harder for me to ride alone safe in my opinion when others don't ride responsibly.

Thanks, just wanted to let you know, we are making enemies doing this, and they are looking for revenge.

Lynne
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T. Kenji Sugahara

Lynne et al.

If it was a recognizable team, I would recommend that the team leader
get in contact with that individual and apologize. It would go a long
ways and I personally would appreciate it.

k-

On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 10:31 AM, Lynne Cuevas wrote:
> Hi all,
>  I just wanted to share a conversation that I had with my neighbor last night with you all.  It may cause a shit storm but I think it needs to be said.
>  He works for the guy that has the big house towards the top of the hill and also the log house on the bottom section.  As he was headed to work I think it was yesterday, he ran across a large group of cyclists on the road at the RR track crossing on the lower section.  Apparently one of them had pinch flatted and was changing his tube, in the middle of the road.  As he says it, all of the bikes were in the road.  He asked them to move so he could pass without going into oncoming traffic and they told him to go around.  He said No, please move off to the side because I don't want to go into this blind corner and there is a huge pullout 40' away you could congregate in instead of the road.  He ended up being forced to take the other lane and was cussed at and flipped off.
>  He has told me that his boss is looking to run a cyclist off the road.  These people are pissed that people won't share the road, like we say we will.  Is it just me, or do you guys think the cyclists have the right to block the majority of the road so their buddy can change a flat?  It makes it harder for me to ride alone safe in my opinion when others don't ride responsibly.
>
> Thanks, just wanted to let you know, we are making enemies doing this, and they are looking for revenge.
>
> Lynne
> _______________________________________________
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> obra@list.obra.org
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>
>

Matt Martel

Hi Lynne,

>From the story you provided it appears to me that the cyclists could have
moved out of the road easily. Especially the ones not involved with changing
the flat. Seems obvious but maybe there is more to the story...

Cyclists and motorists need to be considerate and share the road. "Share the
road" goes both ways. As cyclists we should make every attempt to get out of
the road when we are stopped...not just so motorists can pass but also for
our own safety. Unfortunately many cyclists do not consider this. I am
always surprised by this behavior.

I think you were right to post the message. Everyone needs to be reminded on
occasion. Thanks.

Matt Martel

On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 10:31 AM, Lynne Cuevas wrote:

> Hi all,
> I just wanted to share a conversation that I had with my neighbor last
> night with you all. It may cause a shit storm but I think it needs to be
> said.
> He works for the guy that has the big house towards the top of the hill
> and also the log house on the bottom section. As he was headed to work I
> think it was yesterday, he ran across a large group of cyclists on the road
> at the RR track crossing on the lower section. Apparently one of them had
> pinch flatted and was changing his tube, in the middle of the road. As he
> says it, all of the bikes were in the road. He asked them to move so he
> could pass without going into oncoming traffic and they told him to go
> around. He said No, please move off to the side because I don't want to go
> into this blind corner and there is a huge pullout 40' away you could
> congregate in instead of the road. He ended up being forced to take the
> other lane and was cussed at and flipped off.
> He has told me that his boss is looking to run a cyclist off the road.
> These people are pissed that people won't share the road, like we say we
> will. Is it just me, or do you guys think the cyclists have the right to
> block the majority of the road so their buddy can change a flat? It makes
> it harder for me to ride alone safe in my opinion when others don't ride
> responsibly.
>
> Thanks, just wanted to let you know, we are making enemies doing this, and
> they are looking for revenge.
>
> Lynne
> _______________________________________________
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>

johnfforbes@comcast.net

Unfortunately some cyclists act as entitled as those motorists we all condemn. In a battle between a bike and a car the latter always wins.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Lynne Cuevas
Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 10:31:06
To:
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Rock creek rd (RR Tracks)

Hi all,
I just wanted to share a conversation that I had with my neighbor last night with you all. It may cause a shit storm but I think it needs to be said.
He works for the guy that has the big house towards the top of the hill and also the log house on the bottom section. As he was headed to work I think it was yesterday, he ran across a large group of cyclists on the road at the RR track crossing on the lower section. Apparently one of them had pinch flatted and was changing his tube, in the middle of the road. As he says it, all of the bikes were in the road. He asked them to move so he could pass without going into oncoming traffic and they told him to go around. He said No, please move off to the side because I don't want to go into this blind corner and there is a huge pullout 40' away you could congregate in instead of the road. He ended up being forced to take the other lane and was cussed at and flipped off.
He has told me that his boss is looking to run a cyclist off the road. These people are pissed that people won't share the road, like we say we will. Is it just me, or do you guys think the cyclists have the right to block the majority of the road so their buddy can change a flat? It makes it harder for me to ride alone safe in my opinion when others don't ride responsibly.

Thanks, just wanted to let you know, we are making enemies doing this, and they are looking for revenge.

Lynne
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On Jul 27, 2010, at 10:41 AM, eric aldinger wrote:

> Large groups of humans lose most of thier indiividual intellect to allow for collective decision making. Bikes do not change that fact.
>

True but if there is just -one- voice of reason in a group it's usually easy to get everyone to cooperate. If the group leader doesn't do it, someone else can step up easily enough.

Just as an aside, while out on a ride on a semi-busy road, I once had to cross the double yellow to pass a couple slow bicycles. Now that was funny and I did well to refrain from a "share the road" comment.

John

> On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 10:31 AM, Lynne Cuevas wrote:
> Hi all,
> I just wanted to share a conversation that I had with my neighbor last night with you all. It may cause a shit storm but I think it needs to be said.
> He works for the guy that has the big house towards the top of the hill and also the log house on the bottom section. As he was headed to work I think it was yesterday, he ran across a large group of cyclists on the road at the RR track crossing on the lower section. Apparently one of them had pinch flatted and was changing his tube, in the middle of the road. As he says it, all of the bikes were in the road. He asked them to move so he could pass without going into oncoming traffic and they told him to go around. He said No, please move off to the side because I don't want to go into this blind corner and there is a huge pullout 40' away you could congregate in instead of the road. He ended up being forced to take the other lane and was cussed at and flipped off.
> He has told me that his boss is looking to run a cyclist off the road. These people are pissed that people won't share the road, like we say we will. Is it just me, or do you guys think the cyclists have the right to block the majority of the road so their buddy can change a flat? It makes it harder for me to ride alone safe in my opinion when others don't ride responsibly.
>
> Thanks, just wanted to let you know, we are making enemies doing this, and they are looking for revenge.
>
> Lynne
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Long, Steve

Very poor form in both cases.

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Jones
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 10:48 AM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Rock creek rd (RR Tracks)

This also sets up a good reminder to those of us at race venues (riding
to, leaving from, etc.) that riding outside the bike lane or riding 3-6
abreast and clogging the road isn't a good idea either. This is what
ticks people off. This was something I witnessed last night after
leaving Monday Night PIR. Your team name clearly visible on the backs of
all of your jerseys. I then ask nicely you to move over into the bike
lane to let traffic through and then you flip me off. Not too smooth
guys, not smooth at all, especially with names and number clearly
visible.

Have a wonderful Tuesday!

-Scott

On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 10:31 AM, Lynne Cuevas
wrote:

Hi all,
I just wanted to share a conversation that I had with my neighbor last
night with you all. It may cause a shit storm but I think it needs to
be said.
He works for the guy that has the big house towards the top of the hill
and also the log house on the bottom section. As he was headed to work
I think it was yesterday, he ran across a large group of cyclists on the
road at the RR track crossing on the lower section. Apparently one of
them had pinch flatted and was changing his tube, in the middle of the
road. As he says it, all of the bikes were in the road. He asked them
to move so he could pass without going into oncoming traffic and they
told him to go around. He said No, please move off to the side because
I don't want to go into this blind corner and there is a huge pullout
40' away you could congregate in instead of the road. He ended up being
forced to take the other lane and was cussed at and flipped off.
He has told me that his boss is looking to run a cyclist off the road.
These people are pissed that people won't share the road, like we say we
will. Is it just me, or do you guys think the cyclists have the right
to block the majority of the road so their buddy can change a flat? It
makes it harder for me to ride alone safe in my opinion when others
don't ride responsibly.

Thanks, just wanted to let you know, we are making enemies doing this,
and they are looking for revenge.

Lynne
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Scott Jones

This also sets up a good reminder to those of us at race venues (riding to,
leaving from, etc.) that riding outside the bike lane or riding 3-6 abreast
and clogging the road isn't a good idea either. This is what ticks people
off. This was something I witnessed last night after leaving Monday Night
PIR. Your team name clearly visible on the backs of all of your jerseys. I
then ask nicely you to move over into the bike lane to let traffic through
and then you flip me off. Not too smooth guys, not smooth at all, especially
with names and number clearly visible.

Have a wonderful Tuesday!

-Scott

On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 10:31 AM, Lynne Cuevas wrote:

> Hi all,
> I just wanted to share a conversation that I had with my neighbor last
> night with you all. It may cause a shit storm but I think it needs to be
> said.
> He works for the guy that has the big house towards the top of the hill
> and also the log house on the bottom section. As he was headed to work I
> think it was yesterday, he ran across a large group of cyclists on the road
> at the RR track crossing on the lower section. Apparently one of them had
> pinch flatted and was changing his tube, in the middle of the road. As he
> says it, all of the bikes were in the road. He asked them to move so he
> could pass without going into oncoming traffic and they told him to go
> around. He said No, please move off to the side because I don't want to go
> into this blind corner and there is a huge pullout 40' away you could
> congregate in instead of the road. He ended up being forced to take the
> other lane and was cussed at and flipped off.
> He has told me that his boss is looking to run a cyclist off the road.
> These people are pissed that people won't share the road, like we say we
> will. Is it just me, or do you guys think the cyclists have the right to
> block the majority of the road so their buddy can change a flat? It makes
> it harder for me to ride alone safe in my opinion when others don't ride
> responsibly.
>
> Thanks, just wanted to let you know, we are making enemies doing this, and
> they are looking for revenge.
>
> Lynne
> _______________________________________________
> OBRA mailing list
> obra@list.obra.org
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>

eric aldinger

Large groups of humans lose most of thier indiividual intellect to allow for
collective decision making. Bikes do not change that fact.

On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 10:31 AM, Lynne Cuevas wrote:

> Hi all,
> I just wanted to share a conversation that I had with my neighbor last
> night with you all. It may cause a shit storm but I think it needs to be
> said.
> He works for the guy that has the big house towards the top of the hill
> and also the log house on the bottom section. As he was headed to work I
> think it was yesterday, he ran across a large group of cyclists on the road
> at the RR track crossing on the lower section. Apparently one of them had
> pinch flatted and was changing his tube, in the middle of the road. As he
> says it, all of the bikes were in the road. He asked them to move so he
> could pass without going into oncoming traffic and they told him to go
> around. He said No, please move off to the side because I don't want to go
> into this blind corner and there is a huge pullout 40' away you could
> congregate in instead of the road. He ended up being forced to take the
> other lane and was cussed at and flipped off.
> He has told me that his boss is looking to run a cyclist off the road.
> These people are pissed that people won't share the road, like we say we
> will. Is it just me, or do you guys think the cyclists have the right to
> block the majority of the road so their buddy can change a flat? It makes
> it harder for me to ride alone safe in my opinion when others don't ride
> responsibly.
>
> Thanks, just wanted to let you know, we are making enemies doing this, and
> they are looking for revenge.
>
> Lynne
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Eric Aldinger

Lynne Cuevas

Hi all,
I just wanted to share a conversation that I had with my neighbor last night with you all. It may cause a shit storm but I think it needs to be said.
He works for the guy that has the big house towards the top of the hill and also the log house on the bottom section. As he was headed to work I think it was yesterday, he ran across a large group of cyclists on the road at the RR track crossing on the lower section. Apparently one of them had pinch flatted and was changing his tube, in the middle of the road. As he says it, all of the bikes were in the road. He asked them to move so he could pass without going into oncoming traffic and they told him to go around. He said No, please move off to the side because I don't want to go into this blind corner and there is a huge pullout 40' away you could congregate in instead of the road. He ended up being forced to take the other lane and was cussed at and flipped off.
He has told me that his boss is looking to run a cyclist off the road. These people are pissed that people won't share the road, like we say we will. Is it just me, or do you guys think the cyclists have the right to block the majority of the road so their buddy can change a flat? It makes it harder for me to ride alone safe in my opinion when others don't ride responsibly.

Thanks, just wanted to let you know, we are making enemies doing this, and they are looking for revenge.

Lynne