Don Hanson

I recorded 46.7mi and 2582' climbing on the route that I rode yesterday,
which I think is the shorter course as described in one of the course
descriptions online. I'm ok with that course length, it is plenty tough.
And, for the first time in about 5yrs, I don't have the "usual" 3hr drive
to race somewhere on the wet side.
I think you'll all be a bit surprised by how challenging racing on this
course could turn out to be. And how many opportunities it may present to
hurt. Scenic, too.
The profile online doesn't *really* show off the route of the longer loop
as it is in reality..The first ~10 miles are going to be a screaming
downhill..then it is all pretty much "uphill" from BZ Corners on.....There
is one section that is rollers between the two substantial and sustained
climbs, back to back. Once you leave Glenwood the road goes up.some
more..gentle but up and often a headwind. And some sharp little climbs
interspersed with 2,3, 4% up....Then a fast steep technical downhill into
the 'finish valley'...
Should be fun.
For general info...it takes about half hour to drive up to Trout Lake from
the Hood River Bridge and I-84, so if you are gonna race both days it's not
a big deal to stay in Hood River or The Dalles and go up both days to race.
Trout Lake, the "town", is very small so don't plan on getting many
supplies or staying there..

Don Hanson

On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 9:07 AM, Long, Steve wrote:

> The flyer says 46 miles and I was certainly disappointed that it was so
> short.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of Joe Cipale
> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 9:03 AM
> To: Don Hanson
> Cc: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] OBRA RR championship course ?
>
> Here is a Q that was discussed yesterday. WHy are the Masteres 50+ doing
> the shorter distance? I am sorry, but if I am going to drive 100+ miles
> to get my ass dropped on the first climb, I want to get my monies worth.
> It isnt worthwhile to drive to only race 48 miles when the longer course
> is there as well. How many other Masters riders feel that way?
>
> Joe
>
>
> Don Hanson wrote:
>
> > Question on next weekend's RR course.
> >
> > I think I am seeing two different course descriptions online. I
> just rode the Trout Lake>BZ Corners>Glenwood>Trout Lake loop yesterday,
> thinking I was 'on course' for the Sunday race that us 60+ Masters will
> be riding. Am I correct in thinking that we will descend the sharp hill
> into the Trout Lake valley and go straight on past the Sunny Side road
> turn?
> >
> > We, riding the shorter distance, are to continue straight on to what
> is Forest Road 23 on the topo maps? And then turn left on that road (at
> a "T" intersection) and almost immediatly pass the Gas station and
> coffee shop and merge at a "Y" intersection with hwy 141..then continue
> down the main highway and finish on that at the Trout Lake school in a
> mile or two?
> >
> > The longer course will incorporate the Sunny Side road loop into
> it...somehow?
> >
> > And the feed zone locations? Will that be at the top of the second
> climb past BZ Corners? Or at the top of that first climb, on the 'false
> flat'?
> >
> > For general information, that sharp descent into the Trout Lake
> valley has recently been chip sealed and has no lines and some loose
> rock outside the tire lanes. Hopefully by next weekend that will have
> been 'driven in' a bit better, but as of yesterday the edges and center
> of the highway contained some loose gravel and those nailed on tabs they
> use as line painting guides.
> >
> > Also, there is a collection of bee hives at the top of the first
> climb after BZ Corners...Lots of bees in the air around there. You may
> want to make sure your jersey is zipped up...don't ask how I know about
> that....
> > Don Hanson
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STEVEN R HOLLAND

Interestingly, the last two OBRA Championships for the SR women and masters
were almost this same distance 48 vs 46...............

BTW: These masters distances are consistent with masters nationals
courses..................not that "I" agree, I'm just saying..............

If ya want more miles, do what I'm doing, race your cat Saturday and your age
Sunday, FUN!!!!
 
STEVEN R HOLLAND
6015 NW Perthshire Rd
Vancouver, WA 98663
C(360) 600-2702

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Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] OBRA RR championship course ?

Ride to the race: if you are already planning on getting dropped, being tired
before
the race won't make that much of a difference!

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf
Of halfwheelhill@yahoo.com
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 9:27 AM
To: Rick C Johnson; obra-bounces@list.obra.org; joec@aracnet.com
Cc: obra@list.obra.org; Don Hanson
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] OBRA RR championship course ?

My wife, who is a 2, kind of feels that way. Why is the womens pro 1,2 race so
short.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Rick C Johnson
Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 21:30:14
To:
Cc: ; Don Hanson
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] OBRA RR championship course ?

I'm always amused by those that equate distance with value. By that
metric no one should ever travel more than a few minutes for a
cyclocross race. Don't even think about racing out of state unless it's
a 24 hour endurance event. International travel should only be
considered for a three week grand tour.

Does that premise sound silly yet? It does to me. Sometimes you're near
the race, sometimes you're not. The distance from any one individuals
house to the location of the event is not a legitimate factor for
determining race distance.

Rick Johnson
Bend, Oregon

"Those who cannot remember the past, are condemned to repeat it" - George
Santayana

Joe Cipale wrote:

>Here is a Q that was discussed yesterday. WHy are the Masteres 50+ doing the
>shorter distance? I am sorry, but if I am going to drive 100+ miles to get my
>ass dropped on the first climb, I want to get my monies worth. It isnt
>worthwhile to drive to only race 48 miles when the longer course is there as
>well. How many other Masters riders feel that way?
>
>Joe
>
>
>Don Hanson wrote:
>
> 
>
>>Question on next weekend's RR course.
>>
>>  I think I am seeing two different course descriptions online.  I just rode the
>>Trout Lake>BZ Corners>Glenwood>Trout Lake loop yesterday, thinking I was 'on
>>course' for the Sunday race that us 60+ Masters will be riding.  Am I correct in
>>thinking that we will descend the sharp hill into the Trout Lake valley and go
>>straight on past the Sunny Side road turn?
>>
>>
>>  We, riding the shorter distance, are to continue straight on to what is Forest
>>Road 23 on the topo maps?  And then turn left on that road (at a "T"
>>intersection) and almost immediatly pass the Gas station and coffee shop and
>>merge at a "Y" intersection with hwy 141..then continue down the main highway
>>and finish on that at the Trout Lake school in a mile or two?
>>
>>  The longer course will incorporate the Sunny Side road loop into
>it...somehow?
>>
>>  And the feed zone locations?  Will that be at the top of the second climb past
>>BZ Corners?  Or at the top of that first climb, on the 'false flat'?
>>
>>  For general information, that sharp descent into the Trout Lake valley has
>>recently been chip sealed and has no lines and some loose rock outside the tire
>>lanes.  Hopefully by next weekend that will have been 'driven in' a bit better,
>>but as of yesterday the edges and center of the highway contained some loose
>>gravel and those nailed on tabs they use as line painting guides.
>>
>>  Also, there is a collection of bee hives at the top of the first climb after
>>BZ Corners...Lots of bees in the air around there.  You may want to make sure
>>your jersey is zipped up...don't ask how I know about that....
>>  Don Hanson
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Steve Brown

I can understand one wanting to feel they had a full and complete
ride. I have gone to Seattle from Portland to ride a 500 meter TT,
so perspective can be in the eye of the beholder. 48 miles seems
like plenty to me. Maybe there is another issue going on?

On Aug 2, 2010, at 9:30 PM, Rick C Johnson wrote:

> I'm always amused by those that equate distance with value. By that
> metric no one should ever travel more than a few minutes for a
> cyclocross race. Don't even think about racing out of state unless
> it's a 24 hour endurance event. International travel should only be
> considered for a three week grand tour.
>
> Does that premise sound silly yet? It does to me. Sometimes you're
> near the race, sometimes you're not. The distance from any one
> individuals house to the location of the event is not a legitimate
> factor for determining race distance.
>
> Rick Johnson
> Bend, Oregon
>
> "Those who cannot remember the past, are condemned to repeat it" -
> George Santayana
>
>
>
> Joe Cipale wrote:
>
>> Here is a Q that was discussed yesterday. WHy are the Masteres 50+
>> doing the shorter distance? I am sorry, but if I am going to drive
>> 100+ miles to get my ass dropped on the first climb, I want to get
>> my monies worth. It isnt worthwhile to drive to only race 48 miles
>> when the longer course is there as well. How many other Masters
>> riders feel that way?
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>
>> Don Hanson wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Question on next weekend's RR course.
>>>
>>> I think I am seeing two different course descriptions online. I
>>> just rode the Trout Lake>BZ Corners>Glenwood>Trout Lake loop
>>> yesterday, thinking I was 'on course' for the Sunday race that us
>>> 60+ Masters will be riding. Am I correct in thinking that we
>>> will descend the sharp hill into the Trout Lake valley and go
>>> straight on past the Sunny Side road turn?
>>> We, riding the shorter distance, are to continue straight on to
>>> what is Forest Road 23 on the topo maps? And then turn left on
>>> that road (at a "T" intersection) and almost immediatly pass the
>>> Gas station and coffee shop and merge at a "Y" intersection with
>>> hwy 141..then continue down the main highway and finish on that
>>> at the Trout Lake school in a mile or two?
>>>
>>> The longer course will incorporate the Sunny Side road loop into
>>> it...somehow?
>>>
>>> And the feed zone locations? Will that be at the top of the
>>> second climb past BZ Corners? Or at the top of that first climb,
>>> on the 'false flat'?
>>>
>>> For general information, that sharp descent into the Trout Lake
>>> valley has recently been chip sealed and has no lines and some
>>> loose rock outside the tire lanes. Hopefully by next weekend
>>> that will have been 'driven in' a bit better, but as of yesterday
>>> the edges and center of the highway contained some loose gravel
>>> and those nailed on tabs they use as line painting guides.
>>>
>>> Also, there is a collection of bee hives at the top of the first
>>> climb after BZ Corners...Lots of bees in the air around there.
>>> You may want to make sure your jersey is zipped up...don't ask
>>> how I know about that....
>>> Don Hanson
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Chris Alling

Yeah under that premise it definitely brings into question the mental for
thought of a track sprinter. All of that travel for 3 laps on the track.

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Rick C Johnson
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 9:30 PM
To: joec@aracnet.com
Cc: obra@list.obra.org; Don Hanson
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] OBRA RR championship course ?

I'm always amused by those that equate distance with value. By that
metric no one should ever travel more than a few minutes for a
cyclocross race. Don't even think about racing out of state unless it's
a 24 hour endurance event. International travel should only be
considered for a three week grand tour.

Does that premise sound silly yet? It does to me. Sometimes you're near
the race, sometimes you're not. The distance from any one individuals
house to the location of the event is not a legitimate factor for
determining race distance.

Rick Johnson
Bend, Oregon

"Those who cannot remember the past, are condemned to repeat it" - George
Santayana

Joe Cipale wrote:

>Here is a Q that was discussed yesterday. WHy are the Masteres 50+ doing
the shorter distance? I am sorry, but if I am going to drive 100+ miles to
get my ass dropped on the first climb, I want to get my monies worth. It
isnt worthwhile to drive to only race 48 miles when the longer course is
there as well. How many other Masters riders feel that way?
>
>Joe
>
>
>Don Hanson wrote:
>
>
>
>>Question on next weekend's RR course.
>>
>> I think I am seeing two different course descriptions online. I just
rode the Trout Lake>BZ Corners>Glenwood>Trout Lake loop yesterday, thinking
I was 'on course' for the Sunday race that us 60+ Masters will be riding.
Am I correct in thinking that we will descend the sharp hill into the Trout
Lake valley and go straight on past the Sunny Side road turn?
>>
>> We, riding the shorter distance, are to continue straight on to what is
Forest Road 23 on the topo maps? And then turn left on that road (at a "T"
intersection) and almost immediatly pass the Gas station and coffee shop and
merge at a "Y" intersection with hwy 141..then continue down the main
highway and finish on that at the Trout Lake school in a mile or two?
>>
>> The longer course will incorporate the Sunny Side road loop into
it...somehow?
>>
>> And the feed zone locations? Will that be at the top of the second
climb past BZ Corners? Or at the top of that first climb, on the 'false
flat'?
>>
>> For general information, that sharp descent into the Trout Lake valley
has recently been chip sealed and has no lines and some loose rock outside
the tire lanes. Hopefully by next weekend that will have been 'driven in' a
bit better, but as of yesterday the edges and center of the highway
contained some loose gravel and those nailed on tabs they use as line
painting guides.
>>
>> Also, there is a collection of bee hives at the top of the first climb
after BZ Corners...Lots of bees in the air around there. You may want to
make sure your jersey is zipped up...don't ask how I know about that....
>> Don Hanson
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Long, Steve

Yeah, you could just start from home. Don't leave until 6:30 and then
you don't have to worry about getting dropped on the first climb. You'll
start off the back. :)

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Meadors, Ivan C
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 9:37 AM
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joec@aracnet.com
Cc: obra@list.obra.org; Don Hanson
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] OBRA RR championship course ?

Ride to the race: if you are already planning on getting dropped, being
tired before
the race won't make that much of a difference!

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Behalf Of halfwheelhill@yahoo.com
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 9:27 AM
To: Rick C Johnson; obra-bounces@list.obra.org; joec@aracnet.com
Cc: obra@list.obra.org; Don Hanson
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] OBRA RR championship course ?

My wife, who is a 2, kind of feels that way. Why is the womens pro 1,2
race so short.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick C Johnson
Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 21:30:14
To:
Cc: ; Don Hanson
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] OBRA RR championship course ?

I'm always amused by those that equate distance with value. By that
metric no one should ever travel more than a few minutes for a
cyclocross race. Don't even think about racing out of state unless it's
a 24 hour endurance event. International travel should only be
considered for a three week grand tour.

Does that premise sound silly yet? It does to me. Sometimes you're near
the race, sometimes you're not. The distance from any one individuals
house to the location of the event is not a legitimate factor for
determining race distance.

Rick Johnson
Bend, Oregon

"Those who cannot remember the past, are condemned to repeat it" -
George Santayana

Joe Cipale wrote:

>Here is a Q that was discussed yesterday. WHy are the Masteres 50+
doing the shorter distance? I am sorry, but if I am going to drive 100+
miles to get my ass dropped on the first climb, I want to get my monies
worth. It isnt worthwhile to drive to only race 48 miles when the longer
course is there as well. How many other Masters riders feel that way?
>
>Joe
>
>
>Don Hanson wrote:
>
>
>
>>Question on next weekend's RR course.
>>
>> I think I am seeing two different course descriptions online. I
just rode the Trout Lake>BZ Corners>Glenwood>Trout Lake loop yesterday,
thinking I was 'on course' for the Sunday race that us 60+ Masters will
be riding. Am I correct in thinking that we will descend the sharp hill
into the Trout Lake valley and go straight on past the Sunny Side road
turn?
>>
>> We, riding the shorter distance, are to continue straight on to what
is Forest Road 23 on the topo maps? And then turn left on that road (at
a "T" intersection) and almost immediatly pass the Gas station and
coffee shop and merge at a "Y" intersection with hwy 141..then continue
down the main highway and finish on that at the Trout Lake school in a
mile or two?
>>
>> The longer course will incorporate the Sunny Side road loop into
it...somehow?
>>
>> And the feed zone locations? Will that be at the top of the second
climb past BZ Corners? Or at the top of that first climb, on the 'false
flat'?
>>
>> For general information, that sharp descent into the Trout Lake
valley has recently been chip sealed and has no lines and some loose
rock outside the tire lanes. Hopefully by next weekend that will have
been 'driven in' a bit better, but as of yesterday the edges and center
of the highway contained some loose gravel and those nailed on tabs they
use as line painting guides.
>>
>> Also, there is a collection of bee hives at the top of the first
climb after BZ Corners...Lots of bees in the air around there. You may
want to make sure your jersey is zipped up...don't ask how I know about
that....
>> Don Hanson
>>_______________________________________________
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Meadors, Ivan C

Ride to the race: if you are already planning on getting dropped, being tired before
the race won't make that much of a difference!

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Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 9:27 AM
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Cc: obra@list.obra.org; Don Hanson
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] OBRA RR championship course ?

My wife, who is a 2, kind of feels that way. Why is the womens pro 1,2 race so short.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick C Johnson
Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 21:30:14
To:
Cc: ; Don Hanson
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] OBRA RR championship course ?

I'm always amused by those that equate distance with value. By that
metric no one should ever travel more than a few minutes for a
cyclocross race. Don't even think about racing out of state unless it's
a 24 hour endurance event. International travel should only be
considered for a three week grand tour.

Does that premise sound silly yet? It does to me. Sometimes you're near
the race, sometimes you're not. The distance from any one individuals
house to the location of the event is not a legitimate factor for
determining race distance.

Rick Johnson
Bend, Oregon

"Those who cannot remember the past, are condemned to repeat it" - George Santayana

Joe Cipale wrote:

>Here is a Q that was discussed yesterday. WHy are the Masteres 50+ doing the shorter distance? I am sorry, but if I am going to drive 100+ miles to get my ass dropped on the first climb, I want to get my monies worth. It isnt worthwhile to drive to only race 48 miles when the longer course is there as well. How many other Masters riders feel that way?
>
>Joe
>
>
>Don Hanson wrote:
>
>
>
>>Question on next weekend's RR course.
>>
>> I think I am seeing two different course descriptions online. I just rode the Trout Lake>BZ Corners>Glenwood>Trout Lake loop yesterday, thinking I was 'on course' for the Sunday race that us 60+ Masters will be riding. Am I correct in thinking that we will descend the sharp hill into the Trout Lake valley and go straight on past the Sunny Side road turn?
>>
>> We, riding the shorter distance, are to continue straight on to what is Forest Road 23 on the topo maps? And then turn left on that road (at a "T" intersection) and almost immediatly pass the Gas station and coffee shop and merge at a "Y" intersection with hwy 141..then continue down the main highway and finish on that at the Trout Lake school in a mile or two?
>>
>> The longer course will incorporate the Sunny Side road loop into it...somehow?
>>
>> And the feed zone locations? Will that be at the top of the second climb past BZ Corners? Or at the top of that first climb, on the 'false flat'?
>>
>> For general information, that sharp descent into the Trout Lake valley has recently been chip sealed and has no lines and some loose rock outside the tire lanes. Hopefully by next weekend that will have been 'driven in' a bit better, but as of yesterday the edges and center of the highway contained some loose gravel and those nailed on tabs they use as line painting guides.
>>
>> Also, there is a collection of bee hives at the top of the first climb after BZ Corners...Lots of bees in the air around there. You may want to make sure your jersey is zipped up...don't ask how I know about that....
>> Don Hanson
>>_______________________________________________
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halfwheelhill@yahoo.com

My wife, who is a 2, kind of feels that way. Why is the womens pro 1,2 race so short.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 21:30:14
To:
Cc: ; Don Hanson
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] OBRA RR championship course ?

I'm always amused by those that equate distance with value. By that
metric no one should ever travel more than a few minutes for a
cyclocross race. Don't even think about racing out of state unless it's
a 24 hour endurance event. International travel should only be
considered for a three week grand tour.

Does that premise sound silly yet? It does to me. Sometimes you're near
the race, sometimes you're not. The distance from any one individuals
house to the location of the event is not a legitimate factor for
determining race distance.

Rick Johnson
Bend, Oregon

"Those who cannot remember the past, are condemned to repeat it" - George Santayana

Joe Cipale wrote:

>Here is a Q that was discussed yesterday. WHy are the Masteres 50+ doing the shorter distance? I am sorry, but if I am going to drive 100+ miles to get my ass dropped on the first climb, I want to get my monies worth. It isnt worthwhile to drive to only race 48 miles when the longer course is there as well. How many other Masters riders feel that way?
>
>Joe
>
>
>Don Hanson wrote:
>
>
>
>>Question on next weekend's RR course.
>>
>> I think I am seeing two different course descriptions online. I just rode the Trout Lake>BZ Corners>Glenwood>Trout Lake loop yesterday, thinking I was 'on course' for the Sunday race that us 60+ Masters will be riding. Am I correct in thinking that we will descend the sharp hill into the Trout Lake valley and go straight on past the Sunny Side road turn?
>>
>> We, riding the shorter distance, are to continue straight on to what is Forest Road 23 on the topo maps? And then turn left on that road (at a "T" intersection) and almost immediatly pass the Gas station and coffee shop and merge at a "Y" intersection with hwy 141..then continue down the main highway and finish on that at the Trout Lake school in a mile or two?
>>
>> The longer course will incorporate the Sunny Side road loop into it...somehow?
>>
>> And the feed zone locations? Will that be at the top of the second climb past BZ Corners? Or at the top of that first climb, on the 'false flat'?
>>
>> For general information, that sharp descent into the Trout Lake valley has recently been chip sealed and has no lines and some loose rock outside the tire lanes. Hopefully by next weekend that will have been 'driven in' a bit better, but as of yesterday the edges and center of the highway contained some loose gravel and those nailed on tabs they use as line painting guides.
>>
>> Also, there is a collection of bee hives at the top of the first climb after BZ Corners...Lots of bees in the air around there. You may want to make sure your jersey is zipped up...don't ask how I know about that....
>> Don Hanson
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Rick C Johnson

I'm always amused by those that equate distance with value. By that
metric no one should ever travel more than a few minutes for a
cyclocross race. Don't even think about racing out of state unless it's
a 24 hour endurance event. International travel should only be
considered for a three week grand tour.

Does that premise sound silly yet? It does to me. Sometimes you're near
the race, sometimes you're not. The distance from any one individuals
house to the location of the event is not a legitimate factor for
determining race distance.

Rick Johnson
Bend, Oregon

"Those who cannot remember the past, are condemned to repeat it" - George Santayana

Joe Cipale wrote:

>Here is a Q that was discussed yesterday. WHy are the Masteres 50+ doing the shorter distance? I am sorry, but if I am going to drive 100+ miles to get my ass dropped on the first climb, I want to get my monies worth. It isnt worthwhile to drive to only race 48 miles when the longer course is there as well. How many other Masters riders feel that way?
>
>Joe
>
>
>Don Hanson wrote:
>
>
>
>>Question on next weekend's RR course.
>>
>> I think I am seeing two different course descriptions online. I just rode the Trout Lake>BZ Corners>Glenwood>Trout Lake loop yesterday, thinking I was 'on course' for the Sunday race that us 60+ Masters will be riding. Am I correct in thinking that we will descend the sharp hill into the Trout Lake valley and go straight on past the Sunny Side road turn?
>>
>> We, riding the shorter distance, are to continue straight on to what is Forest Road 23 on the topo maps? And then turn left on that road (at a "T" intersection) and almost immediatly pass the Gas station and coffee shop and merge at a "Y" intersection with hwy 141..then continue down the main highway and finish on that at the Trout Lake school in a mile or two?
>>
>> The longer course will incorporate the Sunny Side road loop into it...somehow?
>>
>> And the feed zone locations? Will that be at the top of the second climb past BZ Corners? Or at the top of that first climb, on the 'false flat'?
>>
>> For general information, that sharp descent into the Trout Lake valley has recently been chip sealed and has no lines and some loose rock outside the tire lanes. Hopefully by next weekend that will have been 'driven in' a bit better, but as of yesterday the edges and center of the highway contained some loose gravel and those nailed on tabs they use as line painting guides.
>>
>> Also, there is a collection of bee hives at the top of the first climb after BZ Corners...Lots of bees in the air around there. You may want to make sure your jersey is zipped up...don't ask how I know about that....
>> Don Hanson
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Mike Murray

I sure don't feel that way.
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Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] OBRA RR championship course ?

Here is a Q that was discussed yesterday. WHy are the Masteres 50+ doing the shorter distance? I am sorry, but if I am going to drive 100+ miles to get my ass dropped on the first climb, I want to get my monies worth. It isnt worthwhile to drive to only race 48 miles when the longer course is there as well. How many other Masters riders feel that way?

Joe

Don Hanson wrote:

> Question on next weekend's RR course.
>
> I think I am seeing two different course descriptions online. I just rode the Trout Lake>BZ Corners>Glenwood>Trout Lake loop yesterday, thinking I was 'on course' for the Sunday race that us 60+ Masters will be riding. Am I correct in thinking that we will descend the sharp hill into the Trout Lake valley and go straight on past the Sunny Side road turn?
>
> We, riding the shorter distance, are to continue straight on to what is Forest Road 23 on the topo maps? And then turn left on that road (at a "T" intersection) and almost immediatly pass the Gas station and coffee shop and merge at a "Y" intersection with hwy 141..then continue down the main highway and finish on that at the Trout Lake school in a mile or two?
>
> The longer course will incorporate the Sunny Side road loop into it...somehow?
>
> And the feed zone locations? Will that be at the top of the second climb past BZ Corners? Or at the top of that first climb, on the 'false flat'?
>
> For general information, that sharp descent into the Trout Lake valley has recently been chip sealed and has no lines and some loose rock outside the tire lanes. Hopefully by next weekend that will have been 'driven in' a bit better, but as of yesterday the edges and center of the highway contained some loose gravel and those nailed on tabs they use as line painting guides.
>
> Also, there is a collection of bee hives at the top of the first climb after BZ Corners...Lots of bees in the air around there. You may want to make sure your jersey is zipped up...don't ask how I know about that....
> Don Hanson
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Long, Steve

The flyer says 46 miles and I was certainly disappointed that it was so
short.

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Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] OBRA RR championship course ?

Here is a Q that was discussed yesterday. WHy are the Masteres 50+ doing
the shorter distance? I am sorry, but if I am going to drive 100+ miles
to get my ass dropped on the first climb, I want to get my monies worth.
It isnt worthwhile to drive to only race 48 miles when the longer course
is there as well. How many other Masters riders feel that way?

Joe

Don Hanson wrote:

> Question on next weekend's RR course.
>
> I think I am seeing two different course descriptions online. I
just rode the Trout Lake>BZ Corners>Glenwood>Trout Lake loop yesterday,
thinking I was 'on course' for the Sunday race that us 60+ Masters will
be riding. Am I correct in thinking that we will descend the sharp hill
into the Trout Lake valley and go straight on past the Sunny Side road
turn?
>
> We, riding the shorter distance, are to continue straight on to what
is Forest Road 23 on the topo maps? And then turn left on that road (at
a "T" intersection) and almost immediatly pass the Gas station and
coffee shop and merge at a "Y" intersection with hwy 141..then continue
down the main highway and finish on that at the Trout Lake school in a
mile or two?
>
> The longer course will incorporate the Sunny Side road loop into
it...somehow?
>
> And the feed zone locations? Will that be at the top of the second
climb past BZ Corners? Or at the top of that first climb, on the 'false
flat'?
>
> For general information, that sharp descent into the Trout Lake
valley has recently been chip sealed and has no lines and some loose
rock outside the tire lanes. Hopefully by next weekend that will have
been 'driven in' a bit better, but as of yesterday the edges and center
of the highway contained some loose gravel and those nailed on tabs they
use as line painting guides.
>
> Also, there is a collection of bee hives at the top of the first
climb after BZ Corners...Lots of bees in the air around there. You may
want to make sure your jersey is zipped up...don't ask how I know about
that....
> Don Hanson
> _______________________________________________
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> obra@list.obra.org
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Joe Cipale

Here is a Q that was discussed yesterday. WHy are the Masteres 50+ doing the shorter distance? I am sorry, but if I am going to drive 100+ miles to get my ass dropped on the first climb, I want to get my monies worth. It isnt worthwhile to drive to only race 48 miles when the longer course is there as well. How many other Masters riders feel that way?

Joe

Don Hanson wrote:

> Question on next weekend's RR course.
>
> I think I am seeing two different course descriptions online. I just rode the Trout Lake>BZ Corners>Glenwood>Trout Lake loop yesterday, thinking I was 'on course' for the Sunday race that us 60+ Masters will be riding. Am I correct in thinking that we will descend the sharp hill into the Trout Lake valley and go straight on past the Sunny Side road turn?
>
> We, riding the shorter distance, are to continue straight on to what is Forest Road 23 on the topo maps? And then turn left on that road (at a "T" intersection) and almost immediatly pass the Gas station and coffee shop and merge at a "Y" intersection with hwy 141..then continue down the main highway and finish on that at the Trout Lake school in a mile or two?
>
> The longer course will incorporate the Sunny Side road loop into it...somehow?
>
> And the feed zone locations? Will that be at the top of the second climb past BZ Corners? Or at the top of that first climb, on the 'false flat'?
>
> For general information, that sharp descent into the Trout Lake valley has recently been chip sealed and has no lines and some loose rock outside the tire lanes. Hopefully by next weekend that will have been 'driven in' a bit better, but as of yesterday the edges and center of the highway contained some loose gravel and those nailed on tabs they use as line painting guides.
>
> Also, there is a collection of bee hives at the top of the first climb after BZ Corners...Lots of bees in the air around there. You may want to make sure your jersey is zipped up...don't ask how I know about that....
> Don Hanson
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Don Hanson

Question on next weekend's RR course.

I think I am seeing two different course descriptions online. I just rode the Trout Lake>BZ Corners>Glenwood>Trout Lake loop yesterday, thinking I was 'on course' for the Sunday race that us 60+ Masters will be riding. Am I correct in thinking that we will descend the sharp hill into the Trout Lake valley and go straight on past the Sunny Side road turn?

We, riding the shorter distance, are to continue straight on to what is Forest Road 23 on the topo maps? And then turn left on that road (at a "T" intersection) and almost immediatly pass the Gas station and coffee shop and merge at a "Y" intersection with hwy 141..then continue down the main highway and finish on that at the Trout Lake school in a mile or two?

The longer course will incorporate the Sunny Side road loop into it...somehow?

And the feed zone locations? Will that be at the top of the second climb past BZ Corners? Or at the top of that first climb, on the 'false flat'?

For general information, that sharp descent into the Trout Lake valley has recently been chip sealed and has no lines and some loose rock outside the tire lanes. Hopefully by next weekend that will have been 'driven in' a bit better, but as of yesterday the edges and center of the highway contained some loose gravel and those nailed on tabs they use as line painting guides.

Also, there is a collection of bee hives at the top of the first climb after BZ Corners...Lots of bees in the air around there. You may want to make sure your jersey is zipped up...don't ask how I know about that....
Don Hanson