Max Kirchoff

This sounds really unnecessary. It doesn't appear to be OBRAs job to regulate or otherwise do anything beyond the courtesy of informing racers of federal, state, local, or venue regulations. It sounds more like a waste of time and money.

Speaking as someone who has witnessed drinking throughout my adult life at illegal locations, the problem is never that a waiver was not available.

- Max

On Sep 17, 2010, at 5:01 PM, "Mike Murray" wrote:

> If we were to do a waiver it would and should be a second sheet.
>
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If we were to do a waiver it would and should be a second sheet.

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Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 13:42:07
To: NW Cyclist; T. Kenji Sugahara; obra
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Venues and alcohol & Juniors

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Scott Jones

Maybe the ability to have alcohol at a venue should be part of the flyer
requirements for cross?

I think it should go without saying when it comes to schools though. The law
states that school campuses are drug and alcohol free zones, actually I'm
pretty sure the law is you can't have that stuff within 1000 feet of a
school unless on private property. The law doesn't go away on the weekends,
holidays, or when school isn't in session.

-Scott

On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Ron and Dorothy Strasser <
rondot@spiritone.com> wrote:

> Most schools have signs posted with regard to this because it is state
> law. But additional methods of making this information known to racers and
> fans is a good idea. It seems the OBRA waiver could have an additional
> statement added (in proper legal terms) that would not only tell racers what
> the rule is at specific venues, but have a signature stating he/she will
> abide by rules. This would make it pretty clear to racers...no?
> ron
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* NW Cyclist
> *To:* T. Kenji Sugahara ; obra
> *Sent:* Friday, September 17, 2010 12:01 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] Venues and alcohol & Juniors
>
> The question is how do you get this Message to the 90% of Cross racers that
> do not read the List, I suggest you have reminders on the Race Flyers, At
> Registration and Big signs at the entrance to each venue where alcohol is
> prohibited
>
> JD
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 11:00 AM, T. Kenji Sugahara wrote:
>
>> As a reminder:
>>
>> If you see any prohibited behavior, immediately report it to an official.
>>
>> OBRA members who violate the no-alcohol policy at alcohol prohibited
>> venues can be subject to misconduct penalties- even if they are a
>> spectator. In addition, they may be removed from the venue and face
>> trespassing charges.
>>
>> I cannot stress how important it is this year- with the high school
>> series starting up, violating a no-alcohol policy may set us back.
>> School administrators talk to each other- and could lead to
>> difficulties bringing cross to schools.
>>
>> Using foul or abusive language or conduct toward any individual may
>> also be punished as misconduct.
>>
>> Cyclocross is a fun sport- don't ruin it by being abusive or going over
>> the top.
>>
>> --
>> Kenji Sugahara
>> Executive Director
>> Oregon Bicycle Racing Association
>> Phone: 503-278-5550
>> http://www.obra.org
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tackyglueit

we need some of those large "bike race ahead" signs to read "no alchohol
here".

On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Ron and Dorothy Strasser <
rondot@spiritone.com> wrote:

> Most schools have signs posted with regard to this because it is state
> law. But additional methods of making this information known to racers and
> fans is a good idea. It seems the OBRA waiver could have an additional
> statement added (in proper legal terms) that would not only tell racers what
> the rule is at specific venues, but have a signature stating he/she will
> abide by rules. This would make it pretty clear to racers...no?
> ron
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* NW Cyclist
> *To:* T. Kenji Sugahara ; obra
> *Sent:* Friday, September 17, 2010 12:01 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] Venues and alcohol & Juniors
>
> The question is how do you get this Message to the 90% of Cross racers that
> do not read the List, I suggest you have reminders on the Race Flyers, At
> Registration and Big signs at the entrance to each venue where alcohol is
> prohibited
>
> JD
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 11:00 AM, T. Kenji Sugahara wrote:
>
>> As a reminder:
>>
>> If you see any prohibited behavior, immediately report it to an official.
>>
>> OBRA members who violate the no-alcohol policy at alcohol prohibited
>> venues can be subject to misconduct penalties- even if they are a
>> spectator. In addition, they may be removed from the venue and face
>> trespassing charges.
>>
>> I cannot stress how important it is this year- with the high school
>> series starting up, violating a no-alcohol policy may set us back.
>> School administrators talk to each other- and could lead to
>> difficulties bringing cross to schools.
>>
>> Using foul or abusive language or conduct toward any individual may
>> also be punished as misconduct.
>>
>> Cyclocross is a fun sport- don't ruin it by being abusive or going over
>> the top.
>>
>> --
>> Kenji Sugahara
>> Executive Director
>> Oregon Bicycle Racing Association
>> Phone: 503-278-5550
>> http://www.obra.org
>> _______________________________________________
>> OBRA mailing list
>> obra@list.obra.org
>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
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Ron and Dorothy Strasser

Most schools have signs posted with regard to this because it is state law. But additional methods of making this information known to racers and fans is a good idea. It seems the OBRA waiver could have an additional statement added (in proper legal terms) that would not only tell racers what the rule is at specific venues, but have a signature stating he/she will abide by rules. This would make it pretty clear to racers...no?
ron
----- Original Message -----
From: NW Cyclist
To: T. Kenji Sugahara ; obra
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Venues and alcohol & Juniors

The question is how do you get this Message to the 90% of Cross racers that do not read the List, I suggest you have reminders on the Race Flyers, At Registration and Big signs at the entrance to each venue where alcohol is prohibited

JD

On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 11:00 AM, T. Kenji Sugahara wrote:

As a reminder:

If you see any prohibited behavior, immediately report it to an official.

OBRA members who violate the no-alcohol policy at alcohol prohibited
venues can be subject to misconduct penalties- even if they are a
spectator. In addition, they may be removed from the venue and face
trespassing charges.

I cannot stress how important it is this year- with the high school
series starting up, violating a no-alcohol policy may set us back.
School administrators talk to each other- and could lead to
difficulties bringing cross to schools.

Using foul or abusive language or conduct toward any individual may
also be punished as misconduct.

Cyclocross is a fun sport- don't ruin it by being abusive or going over the top.

--
Kenji Sugahara
Executive Director
Oregon Bicycle Racing Association
Phone: 503-278-5550
http://www.obra.org
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The question is how do you get this Message to the 90% of Cross racers that
do not read the List, I suggest you have reminders on the Race Flyers, At
Registration and Big signs at the entrance to each venue where alcohol is
prohibited

JD

On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 11:00 AM, T. Kenji Sugahara wrote:

> As a reminder:
>
> If you see any prohibited behavior, immediately report it to an official.
>
> OBRA members who violate the no-alcohol policy at alcohol prohibited
> venues can be subject to misconduct penalties- even if they are a
> spectator. In addition, they may be removed from the venue and face
> trespassing charges.
>
> I cannot stress how important it is this year- with the high school
> series starting up, violating a no-alcohol policy may set us back.
> School administrators talk to each other- and could lead to
> difficulties bringing cross to schools.
>
> Using foul or abusive language or conduct toward any individual may
> also be punished as misconduct.
>
> Cyclocross is a fun sport- don't ruin it by being abusive or going over the
> top.
>
> --
> Kenji Sugahara
> Executive Director
> Oregon Bicycle Racing Association
> Phone: 503-278-5550
> http://www.obra.org
> _______________________________________________
> OBRA mailing list
> obra@list.obra.org
> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>

Ron and Dorothy Strasser

I worked in the schools for 27 years. The no alcohol rules are there for
good reason. The knowledge I have regarding alcohol use on campus always
were based on "individuals", student or adult, who were self-serving in
their behavior. Drinking or having alcohol or tobacco for that matter,
showed they did not care about how that behavior impacted others...only
about themselves and what he/she wanted at the time. If I want a beer and
cigarette, I can wait until later. Young people know when we adults are not
showing good behavior. I know a cigarette just before a race will make me
faster (oh yeah!), but I will just gut it out without one at these selected
venues.
ron
----- Original Message -----
From: "T. Kenji Sugahara"
To: "Brady Brady"
Cc: "obra"
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Venues and alcohol & Juniors

As a reminder:

If you see any prohibited behavior, immediately report it to an official.

OBRA members who violate the no-alcohol policy at alcohol prohibited
venues can be subject to misconduct penalties- even if they are a
spectator. In addition, they may be removed from the venue and face
trespassing charges.

I cannot stress how important it is this year- with the high school
series starting up, violating a no-alcohol policy may set us back.
School administrators talk to each other- and could lead to
difficulties bringing cross to schools.

Using foul or abusive language or conduct toward any individual may
also be punished as misconduct.

Cyclocross is a fun sport- don't ruin it by being abusive or going over the
top.

--
Kenji Sugahara
Executive Director
Oregon Bicycle Racing Association
Phone: 503-278-5550
http://www.obra.org
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T. Kenji Sugahara

As a reminder:

If you see any prohibited behavior, immediately report it to an official.

OBRA members who violate the no-alcohol policy at alcohol prohibited
venues can be subject to misconduct penalties- even if they are a
spectator. In addition, they may be removed from the venue and face
trespassing charges.

I cannot stress how important it is this year- with the high school
series starting up, violating a no-alcohol policy may set us back.
School administrators talk to each other- and could lead to
difficulties bringing cross to schools.

Using foul or abusive language or conduct toward any individual may
also be punished as misconduct.

Cyclocross is a fun sport- don't ruin it by being abusive or going over the top.

--
Kenji Sugahara
Executive Director
Oregon Bicycle Racing Association
Phone:  503-278-5550
http://www.obra.org

Brady Brady

Recommend, in light of some of the behavior last year, elevated sanctions for anyone going agro on a Junior.

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of John Wilson
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 8:16 AM
To: 'Jeff Lorenzen'; 'obra'
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Venues and alcohol & Juniors

I just want to add on the following:

The OBRA Cyclocross community is a great place to introduce our kids and new Juniors to the joy of bike racing and Cyclocross. Let's make sure to show the kids the respect and set the right example that they deserve while we are all having a great time.

John Wilson

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lorenzen
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 7:49 AM
To: obra
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Venues and alcohol

As we go into the heart of the cross season (hooray!), it's worth a reminder that, unless the name starts with "McMenimims," alcohol is not allowed at any venue ending with the word "school." This would include word pairing such as Hood River Valley High School, Barlow High School, Rainier School, Fox Hollow School, etc.

I'm pretty sure alcohol is also not allowed at Alpenrose. Please note these (reasonable) limitations, and respect the laws and requests of property owners.

Thanks!

Jeff Lorenzen
Hood River Double Cross
Port of Hood River Criteriums
541.490.6837

John Wilson

I just want to add on the following:

The OBRA Cyclocross community is a great place to introduce our kids and new
Juniors to the joy of bike racing and Cyclocross. Let's make sure to show
the kids the respect and set the right example that they deserve while we
are all having a great time.

John Wilson

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Jeff Lorenzen
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 7:49 AM
To: obra
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Venues and alcohol

As we go into the heart of the cross season (hooray!), it's worth a reminder
that, unless the name starts with "McMenimims," alcohol is not allowed at
any venue ending with the word "school." This would include word pairing
such as Hood River Valley High School, Barlow High School, Rainier School,
Fox Hollow School, etc.

I'm pretty sure alcohol is also not allowed at Alpenrose. Please note these
(reasonable) limitations, and respect the laws and requests of property
owners.

Thanks!

Jeff Lorenzen
Hood River Double Cross
Port of Hood River Criteriums
541.490.6837