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> 1. Re: Blackberry Help (jon.ragsdale@comcast.net)
> 2. Re: Timing chips (Matt Martel)
> 3. Re: Timing chips (Ron and Dorothy Strasser)
> 4. Re: Timing Chips (Tym!)
> 5. Re: Blackberry Help (Mike Rosenfeld)
> 6. OT: double stroller (Mathew Braun)
> 7. Video: Hood River Juniors (John Wilson)
> 8. Starcrossed and Rad GP pictures (Kolben Preeblee)
> 9. Re: Timing chips (Mike Murray)
> 10. Re: Timing chips (Mike Murray)
> 11. Re: Timing Chips (Mike Murray)
> 12. Re: Timing Chips (Rick Johnson)
> 13. For sale: Mavic Cosmic Carbone Wheelset (Lincoln Wettenhall)
> 14. Re: Blackberry Help (T. Kenji Sugahara)
> 15. early season cx points schedule (Damian S.)
> 16. Re: Timing Chips (Ron and Dorothy Strasser)
> 17. FS: Profile Dromo Handlebars 44cm (jordan staples)
> 18. Re: Timing chips (gmail)
> 19. Specialized Comp Stumpjumper 29er (Brenden Keane)
> 20. FS: Carbon Rear Disc Wheel (Kyle Valenta)
> 21. Re: Timing chips (Mike Murray)
> 22. CrossAflixion Cup - this Saturday! (Gina Miller)
> 23. WTB: Carbon MTB Handlebars and 100mm Thomson MTB stem
> (lisa.belair)
> 24. FS: Showers Pass Elite 2.0 Jacket Red (Brian)
> 25. Pictures of Juniors from Hood River Sunday (Greg O'Brien)
> 26. Lap times (Candi Murray)
> 27. woodfire hottub? (Timmy Evens)
> 28. Taylor/Seamstress services offered (ndougher)
> 29. FS: Trek Fuel EX 8 (Scott)
> 30. paging matt mahoney and tony kic (Timmy Evens)
> 31. Re: Hood River Double Cross Sunday Pictures (Nita Galambos)
> 32. Taylor/Seamstress contact info (ndougher)
> 33. Re: Blackberry Help (Mike Rosenfeld)
> 34. WTB: SHIMANO 9-speed cassette. (Tyler Jackson)
> 35. FW: Camp Harlow Cyclocross Video (Brice Gary)
> 36. FS Ultegra 10sp cassette 12-27 (Monty Hill)
> 37. HR Lap times from the chips (Candi Murray)
> 38. Tubular Tire Recommendations for Cross (kc smith)
> 39. Re: Tubular Tire Recommendations for Cross (Tim Schauer)
> 40. Tubuar Tire - Gluing (kc smith)
> 41. Re: Tubular Tire Recommendations for Cross
> (halfwheelhill@yahoo.com)
> 42. fs: Challenge Fangos 34mm (Shannon Skerritt)
> 43. Items FS (Ken)
> 44. Quad ti pedal swap or purchase... (david baker)
> 45. Re: Tubular Tire Recommendations for Cross (Matt Martel)
> 46. Re: Tubular Tire Recommendations for Cross (Devin Flynn)
> 47. Re: HR Lap times from the chips (paul.formiller@comcast.net)
> 48. PIR HANDICAP RACE - FINAL NIGHT OF RACING (Josh LeBus)
> 49. OFF TOPIC....Travel Agent (Jeff Tedder)
> 50. Round 1 High School CX Results (John Wilson)
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 19:03:06 +0000 (UTC)
> From: jon.ragsdale@comcast.net
> To: obra
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Blackberry Help
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> I get one copy, you sure it's not you? :)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "T. Kenji Sugahara"
> To: ""
> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 11:38:16 AM
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Blackberry Help
>
> Anyone have expertise with Blackberries to help Mike Murray with the
> duplicate e-mail "issue" that he has? :p
>
> (e.g. each time he sends one e-mail- it sends out two copies)
>
> --
> Kenji Sugahara
> Executive Director
> Oregon Bicycle Racing Association
> Phone: 503-278-5550
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> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 12:05:23 -0700
> From: Matt Martel
> To: mike.murray@obra.org
> Cc: OBRA remailer
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Timing chips
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> Hi Mike,
>
> I think it was very easy to install. Actually my 14 year old daughter
> installed it for me while I was warming up! I completely forgot about it
> during the race.
>
> How did it work on the official's end? Was it easier for them? Or can you
> envision how it could be easier for timing? Anything has to be better than
> counting laps for every rider on the course! :)
>
> Obviously some kinks need to be worked out with regards to returning the
> chips, how to pay for them, bike switches, what if it falls off, etc.
> Matt Martel
> On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 5:39 PM, Mike Murray wrote:
>
> > 7-sports timing did a demo of their chip timing system at Hood River to
> > day. 2 points:
> >
> > 1) The chip return rate was disappointing. Those are not disposable chips.
> > They cost a fair amount of money. If you inadvertently (or on purpose) did
> > not return your chip we need it back. Please send it to:
> >
> > 4318 SE 8th Ct
> > Gresham, OR 97080
> >
> > 2) I would like people's feedback on the chip. I spent the day looking at
> > the equipment set up and software. It will take some effort to get this
> > running in our system if we elect to do it. It will also raise membership
> > prices. What did people think?
> > Mike Murray - Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
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> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 12:14:51 -0700
> From: "Ron and Dorothy Strasser"
> To: , "T. Kenji Sugahara" ,
> ,
> Cc: OBRA
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Timing chips
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> under the skin...just like my border collies!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Darell"
> To: "T. Kenji Sugahara" ; ;
>
> Cc: "OBRA"
> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 11:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Timing chips
>
>
> Seems like an optimal solution in the future would be a chip sewn into your
> OBRA number which you could use all year...
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "T. Kenji Sugahara"
> Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 11:36:35
> To:
> Cc: OBRA remailer
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Timing chips
>
> Personally- I'm not sold on the system.
>
> The biggest questions for me are:
>
> 1. Where is the value add for racers?
> 2. Where is the value add for promoters?
> 3. Where is the value add for officials?
> 4. Is there a tangible increase in racer experience with the use of
> chips? If so, is it worth the additional cost and is it cost
> effective?
> 5. Would it be worth more to us to put the money that would be used in
> a system into an OBRA program (juniors for example)
> 6. What would be the loss rate per year? What is the true end cost
> for all those involved?
> 7. Most importantly- would the increased cost create a barrier to
> entry for new riders?
>
> Maybe in the future chip systems may improve to the point where it may
> be worth it but for now, I don't see where it benefits all of us to
> justify the costs.
>
> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Mike Murray wrote:
> > Several people have brought up suggestions for ways to improve chip
> > return.
> > Of course many of these have involved the use of ?volunteers? which some
> > may
> > be surprised are in very short supply. For the demo done in Hood River
> > setting up a system for chip return was the responsibility of the company
> > doing the demo. It sure would not be hard to figure out better ways than
> > they used. I would like to help them with facilitating return of chips as
> > I
> > think this might translate into a better relationship with them in the
> > future if OBRA elects to purchase from them.
> >
> >
> >
> > If OBRA does elect to go with a chip system we will definitely NOT be
> > handing out and collecting chips each race. The costs in terms of
> > personnel
> > and accounting time as well as waiting in line at registration would be
> > WAY
> > too high to be practical as a routine thing. This means that we will need
> > a
> > system that uses a chip which is inexpensive enough to allow each member
> > to
> > have one permanently without pushing membership costs too high. Chips cost
> > between a few dollars and $100+ per chip depending on the system. Recent
> > improvements in passive RFID chip systems have made chips at the lower end
> > usable for bike racing so the price per chip has come into a reasonable
> > range. One needs to remember that regardless of who pays for the chip
> > eventually OBRA will need to front the cost of initial purchase so take
> > any
> > per chip cost and multiply by several thousand to cover the number of
> > chips
> > needed.
> >
> >
> >
> > If we add chips to the results system it would add a layer of redundancy
> > so
> > that results could be more accurate. All systems, including chips,
> > introduce errors. For photo finish and manual picking there are errors
> > from
> > being able to see the bib numbers and from recording those numbers, Chip
> > systems have errors from reading the chips, non-functional chips, etc.
> > Since these errors occur in different places they tend to offset each
> > other
> > so results could be more accurate.
> >
> >
> >
> > Chips will not:
> >
> > - Make results error free. Humans are involved. There is no such
> > thing as error free.
> >
> > - Let us get lap times. We already get these. There would be no
> > new data with a chip system it might just be a bit less onerous to access
> > it.
> >
> > - Let you not wear a race number. We will still need photo finish
> > to judge close finishes, resolve errors from bad or missing chips, etc. We
> > also need bib numbers so on the road officials can ID riders. How else
> > would we penalize you when you litter or pee in public?
> >
> > - Make results faster. Face it, results are already pretty fast.
> > If you can already ride a 1:02 kilo trying to get to 1:01 is a lot harder
> > and, in the grand scheme, less noticeable to the person watching you do
> > it.
> >
> > - Make officials job easier. There might be less time spent
> > looking at pictures and entering bib numbers but this will be offset by
> > more
> > time spent transporting, setting up and tearing down the chip systems as
> > well as setting up the software before the event and operating it at the
> > event. After watching Saturday?s demo I think it is a wash.
> >
> >
> >
> > Mike Murray
> >
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> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Kenji Sugahara
> Executive Director
> Oregon Bicycle Racing Association
> Phone: 503-278-5550
> http://www.obra.org
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 12:25:51 -0700
> From: "Tym!"
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Timing Chips
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> All the CX races I did in the northeast last year utilized timing chips and
> its been great. Not sure what company was used, but the results came out
> quick. The chips strapped to our legs with velcro so it was pretty easy to
> remember to turn back in. It helps prevent riders who haven't been lapped
> from being pulled and accurate results. Cross is pretty chaotic and it'd
> help ease the officials headache. I think those benefits to racers would
> completely justify a raise in membership dues.
> Other ideas on how to offset the costs:
> - charge a small deposit for the chip, you get it back when you drop your
> chip. it doesn't need to be much, but it will help people remember they need
> to give it back.
> - Charge spectators ala Starcrossed or Cross Vegas style. Even a slight
> entry fee (a dollar or two) for the crowds that come to Portland races could
> help. There would be some complainers, but I bet a lot of people would be
> happy to help support the sport.
>
> Also, with chips walking off, since each chip is coded and assigned to a
> racer, isn't there a list of who still has theirs?
>
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> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 12:37:36 -0700
> From: Mike Rosenfeld
> To: jon.ragsdale@comcast.net
> Cc: obra
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Blackberry Help
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> Deeper on in the email settings there is a default check box for BCC
> yourself. Depends on the phone and OS version as to the exact location.
> Pretty sure you can edit the email account and then go into advanced
> options. If you are using the Blackberry email address they assign you, you
> have to edit that setting online.
> Hope that helps.
>
> Mike
>
> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 12:03 PM, wrote:
>
> > I get one copy, you sure it's not you? :)
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "T. Kenji Sugahara"
> > To: ""
> > Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 11:38:16 AM
> > Subject: [OBRA Chat] Blackberry Help
> >
> > Anyone have expertise with Blackberries to help Mike Murray with the
> > duplicate e-mail "issue" that he has? :p
> >
> > (e.g. each time he sends one e-mail- it sends out two copies)
> >
> > --
> > Kenji Sugahara
> > Executive Director
> > Oregon Bicycle Racing Association
> > Phone: 503-278-5550
> > http://www.obra.org
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 12:37:52 -0700
> From: Mathew Braun
> To: "obra@list.obra.org"
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] OT: double stroller
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> Pardon me, looking for a double child/infant stroller. If you have one to lose please give me a shout off list. All styles on the table at this point.
>
> Thanks very much.
>
> -matbraun
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> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 12:39:16 -0700
> From: "John Wilson"
> To: "'obra'"
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Video: Hood River Juniors
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> My Goal: Speed of getting the video up over editing quality!
>
> If the camera is shaking that is because I was still breathing hard after
> finishing my race and jogging over to catch the start of the massive Junior
> race.
>
>
>
> Be sure to select 480p High Resolution (Erik Voldengen probably knows how to
> tweak the URL to make that automatic).
>
>
>
> John Wilson
>
>
>
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UH3duDlIiY
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> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 12:46:02 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Kolben Preeblee
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Starcrossed and Rad GP pictures
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> Anyone know were I could find some?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kolben
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> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 19:55:46 +0000
> From: "Mike Murray"
> Cc: "OBRA remailer"
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Timing chips
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> 1. Increase accuracy of results. Maybe a bit faster but, as noted, we are already pretty fast.
>
> 2. Same as #1.
>
> 3. Plus - don't have to do as much squinting to read numbers and 10 key data entry. Minus - have to transport, set up and operate another electronic system.
>
> 4. Racers get to decide. Monetary cost to racers would be $5/year or less.
>
> 5. Opinions vary.
>
> 6. Loss rate would not matter if we gave chips permanently to annual members and charged a deposit to single day members. Alternatively we could just not put chips on single day members and just depend on our current system to place them.
>
> 7. If the cost is $5/year to annual members the barrier is small.
>
> Mike Murray - Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "T. Kenji Sugahara"
> Sender: kenji73sugahara@gmail.com
> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 11:36:35
> To:
> Cc: OBRA remailer
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Timing chips
>
> Personally- I'm not sold on the system.
>
> The biggest questions for me are:
>
> 1. Where is the value add for racers?
> 2. Where is the value add for promoters?
> 3. Where is the value add for officials?
> 4. Is there a tangible increase in racer experience with the use of
> chips? If so, is it worth the additional cost and is it cost
> effective?
> 5. Would it be worth more to us to put the money that would be used in
> a system into an OBRA program (juniors for example)
> 6. What would be the loss rate per year? What is the true end cost
> for all those involved?
> 7. Most importantly- would the increased cost create a barrier to
> entry for new riders?
>
> Maybe in the future chip systems may improve to the point where it may
> be worth it but for now, I don't see where it benefits all of us to
> justify the costs.
>
> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Mike Murray wrote:
> > Several people have brought up suggestions for ways to improve chip return.
> > Of course many of these have involved the use of ?volunteers? which some may
> > be surprised are in very short supply.? For the demo done in Hood River
> > setting up a system for chip return was the responsibility of the company
> > doing the demo.? It sure would not be hard to figure out better ways than
> > they used.? I would like to help them with facilitating return of chips as I
> > think this might translate into a better relationship with them in the
> > future if OBRA elects to purchase from them.
> >
> >
> >
> > If OBRA does elect to go with a chip system we will definitely NOT be
> > handing out and collecting chips each race.? The costs in terms of personnel
> > and accounting time as well as waiting in line at registration would be WAY
> > too high to be practical as a routine thing.? This means that we will need a
> > system that uses a chip which is inexpensive enough to allow each member to
> > have one permanently without pushing membership costs too high.? Chips cost
> > between a few dollars and $100+ per chip depending on the system.? Recent
> > improvements in passive RFID chip systems have made chips at the lower end
> > usable for bike racing so the price per chip has come into a reasonable
> > range.? One needs to remember that regardless of who pays for the chip
> > eventually OBRA will need to front the cost of initial purchase so take any
> > per chip cost and multiply by several thousand to cover the number of chips
> > needed.
> >
> >
> >
> > If we add chips to the results system it would add a layer of redundancy so
> > that results could be more accurate.? All systems, including chips,
> > introduce errors.? For photo finish and manual picking there are errors from
> > being able to see the bib numbers and from recording those numbers,? Chip
> > systems have errors from reading the chips, non-functional chips, etc.
> > Since these errors occur in different places they tend to offset each other
> > so results could be more accurate.
> >
> >
> >
> > Chips will not:
> >
> > -????????? Make results error free.? Humans are involved.? There is no such
> > thing as error free.
> >
> > -????????? Let us get lap times.? We already get these.? There would be no
> > new data with a chip system it might just be a bit less onerous to access
> > it.
> >
> > -????????? Let you not wear a race number. We will still need photo finish
> > to judge close finishes, resolve errors from bad or missing chips, etc.? We
> > also need bib numbers so on the road officials can ID riders.? How else
> > would we penalize you when you litter or pee in public?
> >
> > -????????? ?Make results faster.? Face it, results are already pretty fast.
> > If you can already ride a 1:02 kilo trying to get to 1:01 is a lot harder
> > and, in the grand scheme, less noticeable to the person watching you do it.
> >
> > -????????? Make officials job easier.? There might be less time spent
> > looking at pictures and entering bib numbers but this will be offset by more
> > time spent transporting, setting up and tearing down the chip systems as
> > well as setting up the software before the event and operating it at the
> > event.? After watching Saturday?s demo I think it is a wash.
> >
> >
> >
> > Mike Murray
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> > OBRA mailing list
> > obra@list.obra.org
> > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Kenji Sugahara
> Executive Director
> Oregon Bicycle Racing Association
> Phone: ?503-278-5550
> http://www.obra.org
>
>
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>
> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 19:57:24 +0000
> From: "Mike Murray"
> To: "OBRA remailer"
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Timing chips
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> Correct. Chips will not make officials work significantly quicker or easier. It will only change where that work is done.
> Mike Murray - Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Leibowitz, Flo"
> Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 11:41:05
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Timing chips
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 20:11:44 +0000
> From: "Mike Murray"
> To: "OBRA remailer"
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Timing Chips
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> Ankle chips need to be active RFID. These are 3-10 times as expensive as the ones used Saturday.
>
> Places that have used chips have either used timing companies or charged riders directly. Regardless the costs for the system ultimately come out of the rider's pocket.
>
> There are costs in handing out and collecting chips even if there is a deposit to cover non-return. If you use expensive chips, like the $100 AMB chips a "small" deposit doesn't really get it.
>
> The biggest issue with charging spectators is control of the venue. If you can't control who gets in then people will bypass the money collection point and it more or less just becomes a strong arm donation program. One could put out a "pay for chip timing bucket" for donations. I suggest it goes right next to the "pay for an indoor velodrome" bucket.
>
> Mike Murray - Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Tym!"
> Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 12:25:51
> To:
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Timing Chips
>
> _______________________________________________
> OBRA mailing list
> obra@list.obra.org
> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 13:21:32 -0700
> From: Rick Johnson
> To: mike.murray@obra.org
> Cc: OBRA remailer
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Timing Chips
> Message-ID: <4C97C24C.7090202@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>
> > I suggest it goes right next to the "pay for an indoor velodrome" bucket.
> Maybe slightly below "pay for indoor velodrome" bucket. That way it can
> catch the overflow!
> ;-)
>
>
> Rick Johnson
> Bend, Oregon
>
> Every revolutionary idea seems to evoke three stages of reaction...
> One, it's completely impossible.
> Two, it's possible, but it's not worth doing.
> Three, I said it was a good idea all along.
>
> Arthur C. Clarke
>
>
> On 9/20/2010 1:11 PM, Mike Murray wrote:
> > Ankle chips need to be active RFID. These are 3-10 times as expensive as the ones used Saturday.
> >
> > Places that have used chips have either used timing companies or charged riders directly. Regardless the costs for the system ultimately come out of the rider's pocket.
> >
> > There are costs in handing out and collecting chips even if there is a deposit to cover non-return. If you use expensive chips, like the $100 AMB chips a "small" deposit doesn't really get it.
> >
> > The biggest issue with charging spectators is control of the venue. If you can't control who gets in then people will bypass the money collection point and it more or less just becomes a strong arm donation program. One could put out a "pay for chip timing bucket" for donations. I suggest it goes right next to the "pay for an indoor velodrome" bucket.
> >
> > Mike Murray - Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "Tym!"
> > Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
> > Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 12:25:51
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Timing Chips
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > OBRA mailing list
> > obra@list.obra.org
> > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > obra@list.obra.org
> > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 13:50:46 -0700
> From: Lincoln Wettenhall
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] For sale: Mavic Cosmic Carbone Wheelset
> Message-ID: <4c97c92694444_1af34063f19d418b@lizard.obra.org.tmail>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Moving in cross country in two weeks, would rather not travel with these. Mavic Cosmic Carbone clincher wheelset with brand new Schwalbe Ultremo R.1 tires on them, and wheelbags. Got these earlier this season for $700 from David Rosen he said he had used them sparingly mainly at PIR, I followed suit and used them mainly at races and never rode them in the rain never crashed them either.
>
> I'd like to see $700 due to the new tires/tubes
> w/out tires/tubes I could do $625 pretty firm on this
>
> Contact me offlist for pictures and offers.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 13:53:56 -0700
> From: "T. Kenji Sugahara"
> To: jon.ragsdale@comcast.net
> Cc: obra
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Blackberry Help
> Message-ID:
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Not me.
>
> Do a google search for:
>
> blackberry sending duplicate emails
>
> It's happened once before and it always happens from a BIS account.
> All my stuff comes through gmail.
>
> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 12:03 PM, wrote:
> > I get one copy, you sure it's not you?? :)
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "T. Kenji Sugahara"
> > To: ""
> > Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 11:38:16 AM
> > Subject: [OBRA Chat] Blackberry Help
> >
> > Anyone have expertise with Blackberries to help Mike Murray with the
> > duplicate e-mail "issue" that he has? ?:p
> >
> > (e.g. each time he sends one e-mail- it sends out two copies)
> >
> > --
> > Kenji Sugahara
> > Executive Director
> > Oregon Bicycle Racing Association
> > Phone: ?503-278-5550
> > http://www.obra.org
> > _______________________________________________
> > OBRA mailing list
> > obra@list.obra.org
> > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > OBRA mailing list
> > obra@list.obra.org
> > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Kenji Sugahara
> Executive Director
> Oregon Bicycle Racing Association
> Phone: ?503-278-5550
> http://www.obra.org
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 13:57:44 -0700 (PDT)
> From: "Damian S."
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] early season cx points schedule
> Message-ID: <535447.35008.qm@web38801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
>
> Is the early season 4 race series points breakdown posted anywhere?? Thanks.
>
> Damian
>
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> Message: 16
> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 14:02:13 -0700
> From: "Ron and Dorothy Strasser"
> To: ,
> Cc: OBRA remailer
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Timing Chips
> Message-ID: <0110A562197D466B80601D9ABBDB1240@ronfc8bcccf52c>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=response
>
> Can't this all be solved with an abacus, tube of Phil Waterproof Grease, a
> nice campfire / hot dog and or smore* and a promise to only reduce the times
> of each lap when you tell the tale again? Times are frosting. The cake is
> the race.
> ron
> *Please note I did not mention beer in this post until now to keep it minor
> friendly
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rick Johnson"
> To:
> Cc: "OBRA remailer"
> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 1:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Timing Chips
>
>
> >
> >> I suggest it goes right next to the "pay for an indoor velodrome" bucket.
> > Maybe slightly below "pay for indoor velodrome" bucket. That way it can
> > catch the overflow!
> > ;-)
> >
> >
> > Rick Johnson
> > Bend, Oregon
> >
> > Every revolutionary idea seems to evoke three stages of reaction...
> > One, it's completely impossible.
> > Two, it's possible, but it's not worth doing.
> > Three, I said it was a good idea all along.
> >
> > Arthur C. Clarke
> >
> >
> > On 9/20/2010 1:11 PM, Mike Murray wrote:
> >> Ankle chips need to be active RFID. These are 3-10 times as expensive as
> >> the ones used Saturday.
> >>
> >> Places that have used chips have either used timing companies or charged
> >> riders directly. Regardless the costs for the system ultimately come out
> >> of the rider's pocket.
> >>
> >> There are costs in handing out and collecting chips even if there is a
> >> deposit to cover non-return. If you use expensive chips, like the $100
> >> AMB chips a "small" deposit doesn't really get it.
> >>
> >> The biggest issue with charging spectators is control of the venue. If
> >> you can't control who gets in then people will bypass the money
> >> collection point and it more or less just becomes a strong arm donation
> >> program. One could put out a "pay for chip timing bucket" for donations.
> >> I suggest it goes right next to the "pay for an indoor velodrome" bucket.
> >>
> >> Mike Murray - Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: "Tym!"
> >> Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
> >> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 12:25:51
> >> To:
> >> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Timing Chips
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> OBRA mailing list
> >> obra@list.obra.org
> >> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> >> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> OBRA mailing list
> >> obra@list.obra.org
> >> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> >> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > OBRA mailing list
> > obra@list.obra.org
> > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 14:23:43 -0700
> From: jordan staples
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] FS: Profile Dromo Handlebars 44cm
> Message-ID: <4c97d0dfe4f7_1af34062512dc1271@lizard.obra.org.tmail>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Profile Designs Dromo flat top handlebars / normal drop and anatomic curve
>
> Black
>
> 44cm center to center
>
> $20
> please reply off list
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 14:29:51 -0700
> From: gmail
> To: Matt Martel
> Cc: OBRA remailer
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Timing chips
> Message-ID: <81F5C950-6168-4890-8CC2-3AE806A401AE@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed";
> DelSp="yes"
>
> if you have to use em, ankle chips are the way to go.
>
>
> Sent from my iTouch over wifi.
>
>
> On Sep 20, 2010, at 12:05 PM, Matt Martel wrote:
>
> > Hi Mike,
> >
> > I think it was very easy to install. Actually my 14 year old
> > daughter installed it for me while I was warming up! I completely
> > forgot about it during the race.
> >
> > How did it work on the official's end? Was it easier for them? Or
> > can you envision how it could be easier for timing? Anything has to
> > be better than counting laps for every rider on the course! :)
> >
> > Obviously some kinks need to be worked out with regards to returning
> > the chips, how to pay for them, bike switches, what if it falls off,
> > etc.
> > Matt Martel
> > On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 5:39 PM, Mike Murray
> > wrote:
> > 7-sports timing did a demo of their chip timing system at Hood River
> > to day. 2 points:
> >
> > 1) The chip return rate was disappointing. Those are not disposable
> > chips. They cost a fair amount of money. If you inadvertently (or on
> > purpose) did not return your chip we need it back. Please send it to:
> >
> > 4318 SE 8th Ct
> > Gresham, OR 97080
> >
> > 2) I would like people's feedback on the chip. I spent the day
> > looking at the equipment set up and software. It will take some
> > effort to get this running in our system if we elect to do it. It
> > will also raise membership prices. What did people think?
> > Mike Murray - Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
> > _______________________________________________
> > OBRA mailing list
> > obra@list.obra.org
> > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > OBRA mailing list
> > obra@list.obra.org
> > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
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> Message: 19
> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 14:39:25 -0700
> From: Brenden Keane
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Specialized Comp Stumpjumper 29er
> Message-ID:
>
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> I bought the bike last June (from Hutch's w/ receipts), and only rode it a
> few times, so it's it's basically like new.
>
> It's a 19" with a few upgrades:
> -- pedals (shoe/clip)
> -- dropped it to a 1x9 w/ Salsa parts
> -- Fox F29 80mm forks
> -- Cateye Micro wireless
> -- Misc. extras I can throw in
>
> I've listed it on CL - (http://eugene.craigslist.org/bik/1960907955.html)
>
> $1700 (obo)
>
> Cheers!
> -brenden
> 541-554-6011
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> Message: 20
> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 14:54:12 -0700
> From: Kyle Valenta
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] FS: Carbon Rear Disc Wheel
> Message-ID: <4c97d804b4456_1af34061b39741933@lizard.obra.org.tmail>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> American Classic Carbon TT rear disc. Shimano, tubular. Comes with skewer. Has been ridden 3 times. Labels have been removed.
>
> I can email photos to you.
>
> Asking $750.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 21
> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 22:36:11 +0000
> From: "Mike Murray"
> Cc: "OBRA remailer"
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Timing chips
> Message-ID:
> <1252653578-1285022173-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-37033873-@bda2325.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Maybe not so much. For the OBRA membership ankle chips total cost $150,000 to $500,000 plus cost od reader system. For the fork mounted ones used this weekend $60,000 including reader.
> Mike Murray - Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gmail
> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 14:29:51
> To: Matt Martel
> Cc: mike.murray@obra.org; OBRA remailer
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Timing chips
>
> if you have to use em, ankle chips are the way to go.
>
>
> Sent from my iTouch over wifi.
>
>
> On Sep 20, 2010, at 12:05 PM, Matt Martel wrote:
>
> > Hi Mike,
> >
> > I think it was very easy to install. Actually my 14 year old
> > daughter installed it for me while I was warming up! I completely
> > forgot about it during the race.
> >
> > How did it work on the official's end? Was it easier for them? Or
> > can you envision how it could be easier for timing? Anything has to
> > be better than counting laps for every rider on the course! :)
> >
> > Obviously some kinks need to be worked out with regards to returning
> > the chips, how to pay for them, bike switches, what if it falls off,
> > etc.
> > Matt Martel
> > On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 5:39 PM, Mike Murray
> > wrote:
> > 7-sports timing did a demo of their chip timing system at Hood River
> > to day. 2 points:
> >
> > 1) The chip return rate was disappointing. Those are not disposable
> > chips. They cost a fair amount of money. If you inadvertently (or on
> > purpose) did not return your chip we need it back. Please send it to:
> >
> > 4318 SE 8th Ct
> > Gresham, OR 97080
> >
> > 2) I would like people's feedback on the chip. I spent the day
> > looking at the equipment set up and software. It will take some
> > effort to get this running in our system if we elect to do it. It
> > will also raise membership prices. What did people think?
> > Mike Murray - Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
> > _______________________________________________
> > OBRA mailing list
> > obra@list.obra.org
> > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > OBRA mailing list
> > obra@list.obra.org
> > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
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> Message: 22
> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 18:50:09 -0400
> From: "Gina Miller"
> To: , ,
>
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] CrossAflixion Cup - this Saturday!
> Message-ID:
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> A reminder that the first Crossaflixion Cup Cross Race Presented by
> Desert Orthopedics is this Saturday, September 25th. The first race
> will be held at Seventh Mountain Resort in Bend. Reminder to those of
> you coming from out of town: Seventh Mountain has great room packages!
> $89 gets you a great room - bring your family and enjoy Bend!
>
>
>
> We've updated the website with a slightly modified schedule. We moved
> the junior men and junior women to race together at 11:30am. We also
> will have a wave for beginner women right behind the juniors. Then the
> main women's field starts at 12:30 instead of 12:15. The full schedule
> is online at
> http://freshairsports.com/events/cyclocross/cxseries_schedule.php.
>
>
>
> Kiddie Cross will be a 10 minute race (free of course!) in between the
> juniors/beginner women and main women's field.
>
>
>
> You can pre-register online and we pay the online registration fees
> -visit the
> http://freshairsports.com/events/cyclocross/cxseries_registration.php
> page and follow the link to register via SignmeupSports.
>
>
>
> CALLING VOLUNTEERS! We can really use some help on the course - course
> marshals and help with timing at the finish line. Please email me if you
> have some time on Saturday. We are looking for help from 9am until about
> 2:30 pm.
>
>
>
> Thanks and we look forward to seeing you this weekend! Thanks to Desert
> Orthopedics and Looney Beans Coffee in Bend for sponsoring our series.
>
>
>
>
>
> -gina
>
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> Message: 23
> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 15:28:23 -0700
> From: "lisa.belair"
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] WTB: Carbon MTB Handlebars and 100mm Thomson MTB
> stem
> Message-ID:
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
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> Looking for Ritchey or Easton carbon mtb handlebars (31.8mm) with around a
> 15mm rise and a Thomson MTB stem, 100mm, ~5 deg rise.
>
> Thanks!
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> Message: 24
> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 16:22:33 -0700
> From: Brian
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] FS: Showers Pass Elite 2.0 Jacket Red
> Message-ID: <4c97ecb98d6dc_342b406407d743cb@lizard.obra.org.tmail>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> I have a one year old Showers Pass Elite 2.0 Jacket in red Size Large that I need to sell. It's been used a handful of times and I just don't use it. It's clean, without tears.
>
> $180
>
> Brian
>
> Bpersons14 at hotmail dot com
> 503-704-5352
>
>
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> Message: 25
> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 17:47:21 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
> From: Greg O'Brien
> To: obra
> Cc: Cyclisme list
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Pictures of Juniors from Hood River Sunday
> Message-ID:
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> Message: 26
> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 18:27:23 -0700
> From: "Candi Murray"
> To:
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Lap times
> Message-ID: <85D723DFF1384F39BA97E7D232E15ED6@CANDILAPTOP>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> So I just received the data from the chip company from Saturday's Hood River
> Race.
> We do not currently have a way to publish this on the web. But if you would
> like me to send you your event, just send me a note.
> They look like this
>
> Candi
>
> Hood River Double Cross #1
> Ride Division
> Hood River Valley High School . 18 Sep 2010
> Male - Men Master 35+ C
> Place Race No Name Split Times Laps Final Time
> Master Men C
> 1 507 Matthew S Martel 6:58, 7:36, 7:42, 7:44, 7:49, 7:34 6 45:23
> 2 Eric Moody 7:16, 7:23, 7:37, 7:44, 7:49, 7:35 6 45:24
> 3 557 PETER CASEY 7:02, 7:32, 7:48, 7:50, 7:48, 7:54 6 45:54
> 4 541 Marcelo silva 7:18, 7:46, 7:38, 7:58, 8:04, 7:58 6 46:42
> 5 574 ERIC ALBERTSON 7:30, 7:54, 7:48, 7:57, 7:58, 7:46 6 46:53
> 6 JOHN CLIMALDI 7:30, 7:52, 7:57, 8:03, 7:52, 7:43 6 46:57
> 7 565 Tim Goss 7:12, 7:46, 7:57, 8:07, 8:09, 8:04 6 47:15
> 8 566 NICHOLAS LERITZ 7:37, 7:55, 7:57, 8:05, 8:07, 7:50 6 47:31
> 9 562 Charles David 7:31, 7:54, 8:12, 8:06, 8:10, 7:53 6 47:46
> 10 502 David Pryor 7:34, 7:54, 7:59, 8:06, 8:14, 8:04 6 47:51
> 11 516 Bob Crow 7:13, 8:05, 8:06, 8:11, 8:21, 8:04 6 48:00
> 12 553 KYLE BUSH 7:29, 7:55, 7:58, 8:14, 8:22, 8:08 6 48:06
> 13 579 Jim Malcarne 7:55, 7:53, 7:56, 8:06, 8:02, 8:19 6 48:11
> 14 564 BOB CROUCHER 8:04, 7:55, 8:00, 8:12, 8:24, 8:12 6 48:47
> 15 571 DARREN KLING 8:07, 8:17, 8:08, 8:10, 8:14, 7:52 6 48:48
> 16 575 PATRICK FERRIS 7:50, 8:10, 8:15, 8:19, 8:24, 8:19 6 49:17
> 17 556 STEVE DANIELSON 7:32, 7:54, 8:07, 8:28, 8:46, 8:35 6 49:22
> 18 515 David Strader 7:44, 8:11, 8:13, 8:30, 8:37, 8:15 6 49:30
> 19 569 JIM PETERS 8:21, 8:22, 8:20, 8:15, 8:29, 7:54 6 49:41
> 20 549 JASON KRAUS 7:53, 8:08, 8:19, 8:30, 8:38, 8:16 6 49:44
> 21 576 CHAD SPERRY 49:44 6 49:44
> 22 545 SPENCER WHITE 7:35, 8:08, 8:22, 8:39, 8:42, 8:22 6 49:48
> 23 554 KRAIG KERR 8:09, 8:18, 8:12, 8:27, 8:25, 8:28 6 49:59
> 24 561 TROY CLEAR 7:48, 8:14, 8:22, 8:46, 8:36, 8:17 6 50:03
> 25 570 JOHN MARTIN 7:56, 8:10, 8:21, 8:35, 8:43, 8:44 6 50:29
> 26 560 Michael Dehner 8:02, 8:24, 8:34, 8:39, 8:50, 9:17 6 51:46
> 27 572 TOM NILAN 8:18, 8:35, 8:46, 8:53, 8:59, 9:08 6 52:39
> 28 ANDREW HAYES 8:14, 8:21, 8:50, 9:09, 9:39 5 44:13
> 29 578 Ed Chrisman 45:18 5 45:18
> 30 537 Steve Shaw 8:23, 9:06, 9:35, 9:23, 9:21 5 45:48
> 31 529 James Webb 7:59, 8:35, 9:37, 14:16, 6:01 5 46:28
> 32 552 DARREN PENNINGTON 8:16, 9:13, 9:34, 10:00, 9:36 5 46:39
> 33 567 Chris Chapman 46:52 5 46:52
> 34 511 Shane Sipe 9:01, 9:15, 9:28, 9:39, 9:30 5 46:53
> 35 Mark Everett 9:07, 9:24, 9:23, 9:51, 9:09 5 46:54
> 36 568 PATRICK MEIGS 9:08, 10:26, 10:27, 10:52, 10:10 5 51:03
> 37 563 ROBERT CAMILLUCCI 9:39, 10:18, 11:09, 11:36, 11:04 5 53:46
> 38 544 TONY WOLFF 7:30, 10:34, 22:23 3 40:27
> 39 558 Michael Kender 7:11 1 7:11
> 40 519 Todd Sprague 7:19 1 7:19
> Printed: 20-Sep-10 15:38
> Times-7 Sport Sportscore
> www.times-7sport.com
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> Message: 27
> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 18:31:13 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Timmy Evens
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] woodfire hottub?
> Message-ID: <902738.269.qm@web50008.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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> obraites,
> i'm trying to find a woodfire hottub to use for cross nationals. its gonna be amazing, if anyone has one out there that is reasonably transportable let me know. willing to pay a rental fee.
>
>
> thanks,
> timmy
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> Message: 28
> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 18:40:23 -0700
> From: ndougher
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Taylor/Seamstress services offered
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> Molly Gove has kept two of my favorite jerseys alive and could
> make you a skin suit or a tuxedo or dress, wheel bags, or just fix a zipper.
> She knows her way around all fabrics and all body shapes...and has fair
> pricing.
> she is NOT CURRENTLY doing shoe repairs- but just about everything else is
> worth inquiring. Drop off or mail in, a nice service.
> I'm sending her my arm warmers this week for a tune up.
> Nick
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> Message: 29
> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 18:40:53 -0700
> From: Scott
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] FS: Trek Fuel EX 8
> Message-ID: <4c980d25a978f_342b405f19eac1662@lizard.obra.org.tmail>
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> bought the bike in july of 07 and have ridden it on svg 4 times a year. all parts have been upgraded except the FD it is XT.
>
> Frame is 17" aluminum and in great shape. it has a few scratches but nothing major
> FOX RL-32 Float Air Front fork with lockout and rebound.
> FOX RPL rear air shock with lockout, full travel and Pro-Pedal
> Sram X-9 shifters and RD take off of other bike and only been ridden 4 times. installed today with new cables
> Avid Juicy 7 brakes and calipers with XT rotors 160mm installed last summer
> Bontrager Carbon Cranks 175mm installed last summer
> Bontrager race wheels and Johnny T tires
> Race Face Carbon Riser bars
>
> $1200 or OBO i live in eugene and can bring it to psycho cross on saturday.
> pics available upon request.
> scott
>
>
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> Message: 30
> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 18:48:47 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Timmy Evens
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] paging matt mahoney and tony kic
> Message-ID: <438240.93543.qm@web50005.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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> emaaaaaaaail me.
>
> xoxoxoxoxo
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> Message: 31
> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 19:05:26 -0700
> From: Nita Galambos
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Hood River Double Cross Sunday Pictures
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> Sorry for the follow-up, but it has come to my attention that in my
> post-race stupor I mistyped the name of the talented photographer mentioned
> below. It should read Mr. Craig Ruby (not Ruy).
>
> --Nita.
>
> On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 10:24 PM, Nita Galambos wrote:
>
> > Hey All,
> >
> > Here's a link to photos from this afternoon's Women's and Cat A races
> > courtesy of Mr. Craig Ruy (he says I should bill him as the "Happy
> > Heckler"):
> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/25925331@N05/sets/72157624993958828/
> >
> > If you see any you like, help yourself...we didn't filter them much, but
> > there are some really good shots (though Craig wants me to be sure I mention
> > that he's a self-proclaimed amateur).
> >
> > And thanks to all who attended...today was my first race of any kind and
> > you all made it an awesome experience.
> >
> > Enjoy!
> >
> > --Nita.
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> Message: 32
> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 19:24:01 -0700
> From: ndougher
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Taylor/Seamstress contact info
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> MollyGove@gmail.com
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> Message: 33
> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 20:17:31 -0700
> From: Mike Rosenfeld
> To: "T. Kenji Sugahara"
> Cc: obra
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Blackberry Help
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> Or he could get with the times and get a real phone....blackberrys are so
> pre 2005.
>
> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 1:53 PM, T. Kenji Sugahara wrote:
>
> > Not me.
> >
> > Do a google search for:
> >
> > blackberry sending duplicate emails
> >
> > It's happened once before and it always happens from a BIS account.
> > All my stuff comes through gmail.
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 12:03 PM, wrote:
> > > I get one copy, you sure it's not you? :)
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "T. Kenji Sugahara"
> > > To: ""
> > > Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 11:38:16 AM
> > > Subject: [OBRA Chat] Blackberry Help
> > >
> > > Anyone have expertise with Blackberries to help Mike Murray with the
> > > duplicate e-mail "issue" that he has? :p
> > >
> > > (e.g. each time he sends one e-mail- it sends out two copies)
> > >
> > > --
> > > Kenji Sugahara
> > > Executive Director
> > > Oregon Bicycle Racing Association
> > > Phone: 503-278-5550
> > > http://www.obra.org
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > OBRA mailing list
> > > obra@list.obra.org
> > > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> > > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > OBRA mailing list
> > > obra@list.obra.org
> > > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> > > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Kenji Sugahara
> > Executive Director
> > Oregon Bicycle Racing Association
> > Phone: 503-278-5550
> > http://www.obra.org
> > _______________________________________________
> > OBRA mailing list
> > obra@list.obra.org
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> Message: 34
> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 20:41:31 -0700
> From: Tyler Jackson
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] WTB: SHIMANO 9-speed cassette.
> Message-ID: <4c98296b4930a_342b406392ce0231@lizard.obra.org.tmail>
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> Looking to buy a 9-speed cassette for my road wheels.
>
> Thanks, Tyler
> libertyflyer@gmail.com
>
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> Message: 35
> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 04:27:36 -0700
> From: Brice Gary
> To:
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] FW: Camp Harlow Cyclocross Video
> Message-ID:
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> Tuesday night racing in Eugene. Lots of fun and great preparation for the Psycho Cross races. Check it out.
>
>
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>
> Subject: Camp Harlow Cyclocross Video
>
>
>
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>
> http://vimeo.com/15085614
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>
>
> Also posted on You Tube (with a substituted soundtrack)
>
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YatMNxS_78Y
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> Message: 36
> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 08:10:51 -0700
> From: Monty Hill
> To: Obra List
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] FS Ultegra 10sp cassette 12-27
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> Great condition, ready to roll.
>
> $50
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> Monty
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> Message: 37
> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 08:21:41 -0700
> From: "Candi Murray"
> To:
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] HR Lap times from the chips
> Message-ID: <6BCC8F40E5D24BB0BC75147367DED0A9@CANDILAPTOP>
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> Thanks to our outstanding webmaster you can view these at
> http://obra.org/events/16577/results
>
> Candi
>
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> Message: 38
> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 08:58:25 -0700
> From: kc smith
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Tubular Tire Recommendations for Cross
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> First time Tubular user here looking for recommendations on a good all
> around cross tubular tire, especially good in slick mud conditions.
>
> I was looking at Challenge Fango and Challenge Griffo anyone using either of
> these two tires and have with thoughts on how well they perform in the mud
> ? Any other recommendations are welcome.
>
> Thanks
>
> smithy
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> Message: 39
> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 09:02:55 -0700
> From: Tim Schauer
> To: kc smith
> Cc: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Tubular Tire Recommendations for Cross
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> if you have to choose one tubular tire for the season, the Challenge Fango
> is a good solid choice. look for high thread count (TPI) in any choice. it
> will give you better patch contact over obstacles. Also, go with as wide a
> tire as you can get, preferably a 34.
>
> just my opinion.
>
> Tufo flexus is a good choice also, I like the cubus tread pattern.
>
> and use sealant in any of these choices.
>
> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 8:58 AM, kc smith wrote:
>
> > First time Tubular user here looking for recommendations on a good all
> > around cross tubular tire, especially good in slick mud conditions.
> >
> > I was looking at Challenge Fango and Challenge Griffo anyone using either
> > of these two tires and have with thoughts on how well they perform in the
> > mud ? Any other recommendations are welcome.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > smithy
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > obra@list.obra.org
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> Message: 40
> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 09:04:39 -0700
> From: kc smith
> To: obra
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Tubuar Tire - Gluing
> Message-ID:
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> ...sorry for the follow-up question, but can anyone recommend a shop that
> glues tubulars for a reasonable cost (Portland area) ?
>
> thanks
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> Message: 41
> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 16:10:36 +0000
> From: halfwheelhill@yahoo.com
> To: "Tim Schauer" ,
> obra-bounces@list.obra.org, "kc smith"
> Cc: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Tubular Tire Recommendations for Cross
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> I really like the vittoria cross evo xg. It is a good all around tire also.
>
> Scott
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim Schauer
> Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 09:02:55
>