joec@aracnet.com
I personally am of the opinion that ALL WADA does is pull sh*$ out of
their a$$.
On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 10:35:47 -0700, Tom Perilloux
wrote:
> Why was the lab required to report it as the concentration was 500
> times less than the amount WADA labs are requires to detect (assuming
> this minimal level is a baseline where athletes benefit from the
> drug)? A different lab might not even detect it...
>
> WADA doesn't pull these numbers out of a hat do they?Â
> On Sep 30, 2010 9:57 AM, "David Rosen" wrote:
>> You're absolutely right! How thoughtless of me!
> > To all the cavemen in the world: I offer my sincerest apologies
> for comparing you to Heidi Montag and Lindsay Lohan. You are all much
> higher up the evolutionary chain than those two.
>> Dave
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
> > From:
>> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 09:47:40
>> To:
>> Cc: ; Chris Alling; OBRA
> > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Doooooper....
>>
>> You DO realize you have just insulted Cavemen every where...
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 15:59:19 +0000, "David Rosen"
> > wrote:
>>> They haven't developed tests yet for those 2 that accurately gauge
>>> mental acuity. They are too far below the charts.
>>>
>>> Maybe they are the missing evolutionary links that scientists have
> >> been looking for all of these years.
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From:
>>> Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [9]
> >> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 08:50:57
>>> To: Chris Alling
>>> Cc: OBRA remailer
> >> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Doooooper....
>>>
>>> Perhaps we can start by testing Heidi Montah for artificial
>>> Intelligence first. The Lindsay Lohan for... well for just taking
>>> obscene amounts of 'being annoying'.
> >>
>>> On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 08:47:52 -0700, Chris Alling
>>> wrote:
>>>> Testing movie stars for steroids and artificial enhancement that
> would be
> >>> interesting
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [13]
> [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org [14]] On
> >>> Behalf Of Mike Murray
>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 8:30 AM
>>>> To: OBRA remailer
>>>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Doooooper....
>>>>
>>>> This logic presumes that prior testing looked for clenbuterol. It
> likely did
> >>> but not all specimens are tested for all possible substances.
> For example,
>>>> Armstrong had a tumor which produced hCG, which is a banned
> substance. His
>>>> hCG levels were high at the time of his diagnosis but he did not
> have a
> >>> positive prior to that.
>>>>
>>>> Just to be clear, I think the entire process is flawed. It fails
> to
>>>> recognize that testing is not a binary function. The presumption
> of guilt is
> >>> inappropriate. The list of banned substances and practices is
> arbitrary. The
>>>> focus is inappropriately and inaccurately on cheating as opposed
> to
>>>> substance abuse. As a society we focus inappropriately on
> athletes. Do you
> >>> think that the buff movie stars and models we see all the time
> got that way
>>>> "naturally"? Why don't we test them for banned substances and
> surgical
>>>> enhancement?
> >>> Mike Murray - Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: "Joel Metz"
> >>> Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [16]
>>>> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 07:48:27
>>>> To: OBRA remailer
> >>> Reply-To: magpie@blackbirdsf.org [18]
>>>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Doooooper....
>>>>
>>>> which, of course, is why he didnt test positive for it on the
> days before
> >>> or after the 21st.
>>>>
>>>> personally, the GOOD news out of this is that FINALLY, positive
> test
>>>> results have not been leaked until AFTER both a & b samples were
> tested,
> >>> and found positive. this, in and of itself, is a huge step in a
> very
>>>> flawed process, regardless of contadors innocence; guilt, or even
> motives
>>>> (if applicable).
>>>>
> >>> this is a fine example of the scenario as it OUGHT to happen - a
> & b
>>>> samples test positive, THEN news release. no one, not even the
> lab, should
>>>> know who the samples are from until a AND b test positive - and
> if a does
> >>> and b doesnt, it should be as if nothing ever happened.
>>>>
>>>> its now on contador to prove his innocence, and frankly, given
> the
>>>> miniscule dosage detected, the tiny window of detection, and
> clenbuterols
> >>> status as a known food contaminant, hes got a pretty believable
> case.
>>>> unless, of course, youre a certain german tv network, who would
> cut off
>>>> tdf coverage for use of the word "dope" as slang.
> >>>
>>>> -joel
>>>>
>>>>> Or he took it a long time before the testing.
>>>>> Mike Murray - Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: halfwheelhill@yahoo.com [19]
>>>>> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 05:23:46
>>>>> To: ; 'obra'
> >>>> Reply-To: halfwheelhill@yahoo.com [22]
>>>>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Doooooper....
>>>>>
>>>>> Did you see the amount they found in his test. .5 picagrams.
> That is 400
> >>>> times under the level they test for. I highly doubt he was
> actually taking
>>>>> it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Scott
>>>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> >>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: "Mike Murray"
>>>>> Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [24]
> >>>> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 22:20:12
>>>>> To: 'obra'
>>>>> Reply-To: mike.murray@obra.org [26]
> >>>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Doooooper....
>>>>>
>>>>> Also not steroids. Clenbuterol a banned beta agonist stimulant,
> not a
>>>>> steroid.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike Murray
> >>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Subject
>>>>> Re: Doooooper....
>>>>>
>>>>> Date
>>>>> 09/29/2010 09:12 PM
>>>>>
>>>>>>From
> >>>> Devin Flynn
>>>>>
>>>>> Ok not banned, but "provisionally suspended"
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 29, 2010, at 9:02 PM, Devin Flynn wrote:
> >>>>
>>>>>> Contador banned...steroids...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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