Kevin

OK, I've tired of the "I heard it's [legal/illegal]" and second hand info on
what the law is regarding this.

And before you flame too hard, I'll admit up front that I ride a ROAD bike more
miles than most and have ridden my share of freeway shoulders, but not the ones
listed here, for what should be obvious reasons.

Here's a cut and past of the OAR, with reference to the now in effect ORS,
regarding bicycle use of segments of freeways in Oregon.

OAR Banning Non-Motorized Travel On Some Interstate Freeways in Oregon
734-020-0045
Prohibition of Non-Motorized Vehicles on Freeways
(1) Non-motorized vehicles are prohibited upon the following segments of
freeways within the State of
Oregon:
(a) Portland area:
(A) The Columbia River Highway No. 2 (Banfield/I-84) from its intersection with
I-5, M.P. 0.00, to 122nd
Avenue, M.P. 10.25, east bound, and to Sandy Boulevard, M.P. 15.14, west bound;
(B) The Sunset Highway No. 47 easterly of the Jefferson Street Interchange, M.P.
73.35;
(C) Interstate 5 (Hwy. No. 1) from the Beaverton - Tigard Highway Interchange,
M.P. 292.20, to the Delta
Park Interchange, M.P. 306.70;
(D) Interstate 205 (Hwy. No. 64) northerly of the Overcrossing of the Oswego
Highway No. 3, M.P. 8.82;
(E) Interstate 405 (Hwy. No. 61) in its entirety; and
(F) Lower Columbia Highway No. 2W from its intersection with I-405, M.P. 0.00,
to 23rd Street, M.P.
1.99.
b) Medford area: Interstate 5 (Pacific Highway No. 1) from the Barnet Road
Interchange, M.P. 27.58, to the
Crater Lake Highway Interchange, M.P. 30.29 (in Medford).
(2) The closure of the above sections to non-motorized vehicles shall become
effective following the
erection of adequate signing.
Stat. Auth.: ORS 184.619, ORS 810.020 & ORS 810.030
Stats. Implemented: ORS 810.020 & ORS 810.030
Hist.: HC 1280, f. & ef. 4-5-72; HWY 2-1987, f. & ef. 2-6-87; HWY 4-1987, f. &
ef. 11-24-87; HWY 2-
1996(Temp), f. 3-7-96, cert. ef. 5-1-96; HWY 2-1996(Temp), f. 3-7-96, cert. ef.
5-1-96

Summary in Plain English
Bicycles and Pedestrians are banned on the following segments of freeway:
PORTLAND AREA
A) I-84: From I-5 (MP 0.00) to
Eastbound: 122nd Street (MP 10.25)
Westbound: Sandy Blvd (MP 15.14)
B) US 26: East of the Jefferson Street On/Off Ramps (MP 73.35),
through the Vista Ridge tunnel, up to I-405.
C) I-5: from the Kruse Way / OR 217 Interchange (MP 292.20) to the Delta Park
Interchange (MP 306.70).
D) I-205: North of the OR 43 (West Linn) Interchange (MP 8.82)
E) I-405: Whole Length
F) US 30: From I-405 (MP 0.00) to 23rd Street (MP 1.99).
MEDFORD AREA
A) I-5: From the South Medford (Barnett Road) Interchange (MP 27.58) to the
North
Medford (OR 238 / OR 62 - Crater Lake Highway) Interchange (M.P. 30.29).

ride on, and ride safe!

Kevin

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________________________________
From: Scott Jones
To: Johnny .
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Wed, October 6, 2010 9:44:24 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] cyclist causes vehicle accident on hwy 26..

Johnny,

Yes, HWY 26 is indeed rideable. Although like I said earlier, it is only
rideable once you are past the tunnel headed West and you must exit at Goose
Hollow when headed East. Just not sure I would even ride the HWY until past
Hillsboro. Even then, the side roads are much better than the HWY IMO.

-Scott

On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 8:03 PM, Johnny . wrote:

I've seen a number of people comment on how "highway 26" is a "freeway". Just
like a road is a river or a bicycle is an airplane.
>
>Freeways and highways are simply not the same. I've ridden my bike on Hy26 from
>the zoo to goose hollow dozens of times and it's actually a nice route. It's
>very wide and i can go faster than traffic most of the time because cars are
>backed up prior to the tunnel. Now cutting across an exit in front of a car
>trying to exit is certainly a no-no, but Hwy 26 is legal for cycling.
>
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Scott Jones

Johnny,

Yes, HWY 26 is indeed rideable. Although like I said earlier, it is only
rideable once you are past the tunnel headed West and you must exit at Goose
Hollow when headed East. Just not sure I would even ride the HWY until past
Hillsboro. Even then, the side roads are much better than the HWY IMO.

-Scott

On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 8:03 PM, Johnny . wrote:

> I've seen a number of people comment on how "highway 26" is a "freeway".
> Just like a road is a river or a bicycle is an airplane.
>
> Freeways and highways are simply not the same. I've ridden my bike on Hy26
> from the zoo to goose hollow dozens of times and it's actually a nice
> route. It's very wide and i can go faster than traffic most of the time
> because cars are backed up prior to the tunnel. Now cutting across an exit
> in front of a car trying to exit is certainly a no-no, but Hwy 26 is legal
> for cycling.
>
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Johnny .

I've seen a number of people comment on how "highway 26" is a "freeway". Just like a road is a river or a bicycle is an airplane.

Freeways and highways are simply not the same. I've ridden my bike on Hy26 from the zoo to goose hollow dozens of times and it's actually a nice route. It's very wide and i can go faster than traffic most of the time because cars are backed up prior to the tunnel. Now cutting across an exit in front of a car trying to exit is certainly a no-no, but Hwy 26 is legal for cycling.

Ben Fischler

As my father taught me as a child riding in NYC... "Always ride or drive with the presumption that 99% percent of the people on the road are complete schmucks."

-Ben

AnimationMentor.com
[ ben.fischler@gmail.com ]

On Oct 6, 2010, at 1:34 PM, mohair wrote:

>
> This whole thing boils down the simple fact that there are a lot of idiots out there. Some on two wheels, some on four. We can discuss the legalities about riding certain roads, but keep in mind that the laws of physics are always in place.
>
> ---------
>
> As Doctor Samuel Johnson said so well many years ago: "The thing about common sense is that it is so damned uncommon."
>
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mohair

This whole thing boils down the simple fact that there are a lot of idiots out there. Some on two wheels, some on four. We can discuss the legalities about riding certain roads, but keep in mind that the laws of physics are always in place.

---------

As Doctor Samuel Johnson said so well many years ago: "The thing about common sense is that it is so damned uncommon."

Edward Groth

Ok, I'm sorry for the misinformation. Thanks y'all for putting me straight.

I had assumed since the MAX stop for goose hollow is well east of the
tunnel that the Jefferson street exit was also.

Ed

On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Jerald M Powell wrote:
> Scott's right, Ed's wrong.
> You may ride the freeway to the Goose Hollow/SW Jefferson exit, where you
> must exit.  There is a short tunnel on the exit to Jefferson, as well, but
> the speeds are more civil and there's a fraction of the traffic.
> Better yet, from the zoo down through Washington Park, or Skyline to
> Fairview to SW Park Place/Salmon St are all better alternatives.
> Jerry
>
> On Oct 6, 2010, at 11:11 AM, Scott Jones wrote:
>
> I used to drive this road a lot and I'm pretty sure there is a sign right
> before the goose hollow exit that clearly states "non-motorized traffic must
> exit"
>
> The state of Oregon, like most other states, has certain areas of highways
> that are off limit to non-motorized vehicles. This is usually high traffic
> volume areas. The ones in Oregon that I can think of the tunnel of HWY 26,
> I-84 from Downtown Portland to 122nd, I-405 is completely closed off to
> non-motorized vehicles, and I-5 from I believe the 217 junction clear to the
> Washington border. I also believe that Washington has closed I-5 to
> non-motorized vehicles until I-5 and 205 merge. These are things that people
> like this should know.
>
> -Scott
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Edward Groth
> wrote:
>>
>> I can't speak to the actions of this particular driver or cyclist.
>>
>> Riding the highway 26 shoulder between Oregon Zoo and Jefferson
>> Street/Goose Hollow (including the tunnel) is perfectly legal and the
>> most direct way between the west hills.
>>
>> If cars are heading into the tunnel a 60mph, they're speeding.  The
>> speed limit through the tunnel is 50.
>>
>> In general freeways are only closed to non-motorized traffic when
>> there is a high density of interchanges.  Most rural freeways and many
>> in urban areas are open to bikes.  They're perfectly safe as long as
>> everyone uses common sense, which sounds like didn't happen in this
>> case.
>>
>>  Ed
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 9:21 AM, David Rosen wrote:
>> > Honestly, I don't get it. It's a FREEWAY! Cars are easily doing 60mph
>> > coming into the tunnel and what person in their right mind would think they
>> > are potentially safe riding next to these vehicles?
>> >
>> > Just avoid it altogether. Why would you risk your life to go down that?
>> > I know there is a shoulder but isn't that for motorized vehicle use? Bikes
>> > should be banned from certain sections of the highway.
>> >
>> > Something about Darwin and his theories applying in this situation keeps
>> > popping into my head...
>> > Dave
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: "Dan H"
>> > Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
>> > Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 09:04:50
>> > To: john; Obra
>> > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] cyclist causes vehicle accident on hwy 26..
>> >
>> > John, I understand your intent but nowhere in your post did you suggest
>> > cyclists take the exit rather than risk death. Better yet, take a
>> > slightly
>> > longer route and avoid the freeway altogether.
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "john"
>> > To: "Obra"
>> > Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 8:54 AM
>> > Subject: [OBRA Chat] cyclist causes vehicle accident on hwy 26..
>> >
>> >
>> >> Well thought i would share the emotion directed at me this morning...
>> >> tidbits from non-cyclist's point of view...
>> >>
>> >> So i arrive at work today, to get accosted by my co-worker, " one of
>> >> your bike buddies really did it this time... "
>> >>
>> >> Evidently a cyclist was coming down hwy 26 into portland.  Rather than
>> >> take the canyon rd exit, he came flying up on the inside of car about
>> >> to exit, and on through to the tunnel. This caused the surprised about
>> >> to exit driver to brake hard and a 2 or 3 car pile up ensued. (i guess
>> >> this tactic does ensure a clear tunnel ).
>> >>
>> >> Anyway, If you are a cyclist coming down 26 in the future, by wary of
>> >> pissed off drivers.  Whether right or wrong or other, my co-worker is
>> >> sputtering mad (and he wasn't even involved), other drivers are for
>> >> sure as well, and the sentiment i am recieving is that it would be a
>> >> service to society to run over cyclist.  ahh yeah.. great.
>> >>
>> >> So anyway lets try not to work up the emotion of car drivers.
>> >>
>> >> And then i also got an earful about the helmet mounted lights.
>> >> Basically if some cyclists blinds me again with their %$%%$ helmet
>> >> light again i am going to run into them, etc, etc..  Although my
>> >> sentiment isn't that strong, my attitude is those lights are for trail
>> >> use only.   (and at dusk or dawn they make you less visible anyway)
>> >> ie they are active stealth.
>> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yehudi_lights
>> >> _______________________________________________
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Jerald M Powell

Scott's right, Ed's wrong.

You may ride the freeway to the Goose Hollow/SW Jefferson exit, where
you must exit. There is a short tunnel on the exit to Jefferson, as
well, but the speeds are more civil and there's a fraction of the
traffic.

Better yet, from the zoo down through Washington Park, or Skyline to
Fairview to SW Park Place/Salmon St are all better alternatives.

Jerry

On Oct 6, 2010, at 11:11 AM, Scott Jones wrote:

> I used to drive this road a lot and I'm pretty sure there is a sign
> right before the goose hollow exit that clearly states "non-
> motorized traffic must exit"
>
> The state of Oregon, like most other states, has certain areas of
> highways that are off limit to non-motorized vehicles. This is
> usually high traffic volume areas. The ones in Oregon that I can
> think of the tunnel of HWY 26, I-84 from Downtown Portland to 122nd,
> I-405 is completely closed off to non-motorized vehicles, and I-5
> from I believe the 217 junction clear to the Washington border. I
> also believe that Washington has closed I-5 to non-motorized
> vehicles until I-5 and 205 merge. These are things that people like
> this should know.
>
> -Scott
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Edward Groth
> wrote:
> I can't speak to the actions of this particular driver or cyclist.
>
> Riding the highway 26 shoulder between Oregon Zoo and Jefferson
> Street/Goose Hollow (including the tunnel) is perfectly legal and the
> most direct way between the west hills.
>
> If cars are heading into the tunnel a 60mph, they're speeding. The
> speed limit through the tunnel is 50.
>
> In general freeways are only closed to non-motorized traffic when
> there is a high density of interchanges. Most rural freeways and many
> in urban areas are open to bikes. They're perfectly safe as long as
> everyone uses common sense, which sounds like didn't happen in this
> case.
>
> Ed
>
> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 9:21 AM, David Rosen
> wrote:
> > Honestly, I don't get it. It's a FREEWAY! Cars are easily doing
> 60mph coming into the tunnel and what person in their right mind
> would think they are potentially safe riding next to these vehicles?
> >
> > Just avoid it altogether. Why would you risk your life to go down
> that? I know there is a shoulder but isn't that for motorized
> vehicle use? Bikes should be banned from certain sections of the
> highway.
> >
> > Something about Darwin and his theories applying in this situation
> keeps popping into my head...
> > Dave
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "Dan H"
> > Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
> > Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 09:04:50
> > To: john; Obra
> > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] cyclist causes vehicle accident on hwy 26..
> >
> > John, I understand your intent but nowhere in your post did you
> suggest
> > cyclists take the exit rather than risk death. Better yet, take a
> slightly
> > longer route and avoid the freeway altogether.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "john"
> > To: "Obra"
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 8:54 AM
> > Subject: [OBRA Chat] cyclist causes vehicle accident on hwy 26..
> >
> >
> >> Well thought i would share the emotion directed at me this
> morning...
> >> tidbits from non-cyclist's point of view...
> >>
> >> So i arrive at work today, to get accosted by my co-worker, " one
> of
> >> your bike buddies really did it this time... "
> >>
> >> Evidently a cyclist was coming down hwy 26 into portland. Rather
> than
> >> take the canyon rd exit, he came flying up on the inside of car
> about
> >> to exit, and on through to the tunnel. This caused the surprised
> about
> >> to exit driver to brake hard and a 2 or 3 car pile up ensued. (i
> guess
> >> this tactic does ensure a clear tunnel ).
> >>
> >> Anyway, If you are a cyclist coming down 26 in the future, by
> wary of
> >> pissed off drivers. Whether right or wrong or other, my co-
> worker is
> >> sputtering mad (and he wasn't even involved), other drivers are for
> >> sure as well, and the sentiment i am recieving is that it would
> be a
> >> service to society to run over cyclist. ahh yeah.. great.
> >>
> >> So anyway lets try not to work up the emotion of car drivers.
> >>
> >> And then i also got an earful about the helmet mounted lights.
> >> Basically if some cyclists blinds me again with their %$%%$ helmet
> >> light again i am going to run into them, etc, etc.. Although my
> >> sentiment isn't that strong, my attitude is those lights are for
> trail
> >> use only. (and at dusk or dawn they make you less visible anyway)
> >> ie they are active stealth.
> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yehudi_lights
> >> _______________________________________________
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Edward Groth

>From what I remember, the goose hollow exit is east of the tunnel?
Bikes are definitely not allowed on 405.

Ed

On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 11:11 AM, Scott Jones wrote:
> I used to drive this road a lot and I'm pretty sure there is a sign right
> before the goose hollow exit that clearly states "non-motorized traffic must
> exit"
>
> The state of Oregon, like most other states, has certain areas of highways
> that are off limit to non-motorized vehicles. This is usually high traffic
> volume areas. The ones in Oregon that I can think of the tunnel of HWY 26,
> I-84 from Downtown Portland to 122nd, I-405 is completely closed off to
> non-motorized vehicles, and I-5 from I believe the 217 junction clear to the
> Washington border. I also believe that Washington has closed I-5 to
> non-motorized vehicles until I-5 and 205 merge. These are things that people
> like this should know.
>
> -Scott
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Edward Groth
> wrote:
>>
>> I can't speak to the actions of this particular driver or cyclist.
>>
>> Riding the highway 26 shoulder between Oregon Zoo and Jefferson
>> Street/Goose Hollow (including the tunnel) is perfectly legal and the
>> most direct way between the west hills.
>>
>> If cars are heading into the tunnel a 60mph, they're speeding.  The
>> speed limit through the tunnel is 50.
>>
>> In general freeways are only closed to non-motorized traffic when
>> there is a high density of interchanges.  Most rural freeways and many
>> in urban areas are open to bikes.  They're perfectly safe as long as
>> everyone uses common sense, which sounds like didn't happen in this
>> case.
>>
>>  Ed
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 9:21 AM, David Rosen wrote:
>> > Honestly, I don't get it. It's a FREEWAY! Cars are easily doing 60mph
>> > coming into the tunnel and what person in their right mind would think they
>> > are potentially safe riding next to these vehicles?
>> >
>> > Just avoid it altogether. Why would you risk your life to go down that?
>> > I know there is a shoulder but isn't that for motorized vehicle use? Bikes
>> > should be banned from certain sections of the highway.
>> >
>> > Something about Darwin and his theories applying in this situation keeps
>> > popping into my head...
>> > Dave
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: "Dan H"
>> > Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
>> > Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 09:04:50
>> > To: john; Obra
>> > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] cyclist causes vehicle accident on hwy 26..
>> >
>> > John, I understand your intent but nowhere in your post did you suggest
>> > cyclists take the exit rather than risk death. Better yet, take a
>> > slightly
>> > longer route and avoid the freeway altogether.
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "john"
>> > To: "Obra"
>> > Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 8:54 AM
>> > Subject: [OBRA Chat] cyclist causes vehicle accident on hwy 26..
>> >
>> >
>> >> Well thought i would share the emotion directed at me this morning...
>> >> tidbits from non-cyclist's point of view...
>> >>
>> >> So i arrive at work today, to get accosted by my co-worker, " one of
>> >> your bike buddies really did it this time... "
>> >>
>> >> Evidently a cyclist was coming down hwy 26 into portland.  Rather than
>> >> take the canyon rd exit, he came flying up on the inside of car about
>> >> to exit, and on through to the tunnel. This caused the surprised about
>> >> to exit driver to brake hard and a 2 or 3 car pile up ensued. (i guess
>> >> this tactic does ensure a clear tunnel ).
>> >>
>> >> Anyway, If you are a cyclist coming down 26 in the future, by wary of
>> >> pissed off drivers.  Whether right or wrong or other, my co-worker is
>> >> sputtering mad (and he wasn't even involved), other drivers are for
>> >> sure as well, and the sentiment i am recieving is that it would be a
>> >> service to society to run over cyclist.  ahh yeah.. great.
>> >>
>> >> So anyway lets try not to work up the emotion of car drivers.
>> >>
>> >> And then i also got an earful about the helmet mounted lights.
>> >> Basically if some cyclists blinds me again with their %$%%$ helmet
>> >> light again i am going to run into them, etc, etc..  Although my
>> >> sentiment isn't that strong, my attitude is those lights are for trail
>> >> use only.   (and at dusk or dawn they make you less visible anyway)
>> >> ie they are active stealth.
>> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yehudi_lights
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> OBRA mailing list
>> >> obra@list.obra.org
>> >> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>> >> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>> >
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Just because it is legal doesnt make it 'right' or 'safe'.

On Wed, 6 Oct 2010 10:58:43 -0700, Edward Groth
wrote:
> I can't speak to the actions of this particular driver or cyclist.
>
> Riding the highway 26 shoulder between Oregon Zoo and Jefferson
> Street/Goose Hollow (including the tunnel) is perfectly legal and the
> most direct way between the west hills.
>
> If cars are heading into the tunnel a 60mph, they're speeding. The
> speed limit through the tunnel is 50.
>
> In general freeways are only closed to non-motorized traffic when
> there is a high density of interchanges. Most rural freeways and many
> in urban areas are open to bikes. They're perfectly safe as long as
> everyone uses common sense, which sounds like didn't happen in this
> case.
>
> Ed
>
> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 9:21 AM, David Rosen wrote:
>> Honestly, I don't get it. It's a FREEWAY! Cars are easily doing 60mph coming into the tunnel and what person in their right mind would think they are potentially safe riding next to these vehicles?
>>
>> Just avoid it altogether. Why would you risk your life to go down that? I know there is a shoulder but isn't that for motorized vehicle use? Bikes should be banned from certain sections of the highway.
>>
>> Something about Darwin and his theories applying in this situation keeps popping into my head...
>> Dave
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Dan H"
>> Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
>> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 09:04:50
>> To: john; Obra
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] cyclist causes vehicle accident on hwy 26..
>>
>> John, I understand your intent but nowhere in your post did you suggest
>> cyclists take the exit rather than risk death. Better yet, take a slightly
>> longer route and avoid the freeway altogether.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "john"
>> To: "Obra"
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 8:54 AM
>> Subject: [OBRA Chat] cyclist causes vehicle accident on hwy 26..
>>
>>
>>> Well thought i would share the emotion directed at me this morning...
>>> tidbits from non-cyclist's point of view...
>>>
>>> So i arrive at work today, to get accosted by my co-worker, " one of
>>> your bike buddies really did it this time... "
>>>
>>> Evidently a cyclist was coming down hwy 26 into portland.  Rather than
>>> take the canyon rd exit, he came flying up on the inside of car about
>>> to exit, and on through to the tunnel. This caused the surprised about
>>> to exit driver to brake hard and a 2 or 3 car pile up ensued. (i guess
>>> this tactic does ensure a clear tunnel ).
>>>
>>> Anyway, If you are a cyclist coming down 26 in the future, by wary of
>>> pissed off drivers.  Whether right or wrong or other, my co-worker is
>>> sputtering mad (and he wasn't even involved), other drivers are for
>>> sure as well, and the sentiment i am recieving is that it would be a
>>> service to society to run over cyclist.  ahh yeah.. great.
>>>
>>> So anyway lets try not to work up the emotion of car drivers.
>>>
>>> And then i also got an earful about the helmet mounted lights.
>>> Basically if some cyclists blinds me again with their %$%%$ helmet
>>> light again i am going to run into them, etc, etc..  Although my
>>> sentiment isn't that strong, my attitude is those lights are for trail
>>> use only.   (and at dusk or dawn they make you less visible anyway)
>>> ie they are active stealth.
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yehudi_lights
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> OBRA mailing list
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>>
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Scott Jones

I used to drive this road a lot and I'm pretty sure there is a sign right
before the goose hollow exit that clearly states "non-motorized traffic must
exit"

The state of Oregon, like most other states, has certain areas of highways
that are off limit to non-motorized vehicles. This is usually high traffic
volume areas. The ones in Oregon that I can think of the tunnel of HWY 26,
I-84 from Downtown Portland to 122nd, I-405 is completely closed off to
non-motorized vehicles, and I-5 from I believe the 217 junction clear to the
Washington border. I also believe that Washington has closed I-5 to
non-motorized vehicles until I-5 and 205 merge. These are things that people
like this should know.

-Scott

On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Edward Groth wrote:

> I can't speak to the actions of this particular driver or cyclist.
>
> Riding the highway 26 shoulder between Oregon Zoo and Jefferson
> Street/Goose Hollow (including the tunnel) is perfectly legal and the
> most direct way between the west hills.
>
> If cars are heading into the tunnel a 60mph, they're speeding. The
> speed limit through the tunnel is 50.
>
> In general freeways are only closed to non-motorized traffic when
> there is a high density of interchanges. Most rural freeways and many
> in urban areas are open to bikes. They're perfectly safe as long as
> everyone uses common sense, which sounds like didn't happen in this
> case.
>
> Ed
>
> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 9:21 AM, David Rosen wrote:
> > Honestly, I don't get it. It's a FREEWAY! Cars are easily doing 60mph
> coming into the tunnel and what person in their right mind would think they
> are potentially safe riding next to these vehicles?
> >
> > Just avoid it altogether. Why would you risk your life to go down that? I
> know there is a shoulder but isn't that for motorized vehicle use? Bikes
> should be banned from certain sections of the highway.
> >
> > Something about Darwin and his theories applying in this situation keeps
> popping into my head...
> > Dave
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "Dan H"
> > Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
> > Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 09:04:50
> > To: john; Obra
> > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] cyclist causes vehicle accident on hwy 26..
> >
> > John, I understand your intent but nowhere in your post did you suggest
> > cyclists take the exit rather than risk death. Better yet, take a
> slightly
> > longer route and avoid the freeway altogether.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "john"
> > To: "Obra"
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 8:54 AM
> > Subject: [OBRA Chat] cyclist causes vehicle accident on hwy 26..
> >
> >
> >> Well thought i would share the emotion directed at me this morning...
> >> tidbits from non-cyclist's point of view...
> >>
> >> So i arrive at work today, to get accosted by my co-worker, " one of
> >> your bike buddies really did it this time... "
> >>
> >> Evidently a cyclist was coming down hwy 26 into portland. Rather than
> >> take the canyon rd exit, he came flying up on the inside of car about
> >> to exit, and on through to the tunnel. This caused the surprised about
> >> to exit driver to brake hard and a 2 or 3 car pile up ensued. (i guess
> >> this tactic does ensure a clear tunnel ).
> >>
> >> Anyway, If you are a cyclist coming down 26 in the future, by wary of
> >> pissed off drivers. Whether right or wrong or other, my co-worker is
> >> sputtering mad (and he wasn't even involved), other drivers are for
> >> sure as well, and the sentiment i am recieving is that it would be a
> >> service to society to run over cyclist. ahh yeah.. great.
> >>
> >> So anyway lets try not to work up the emotion of car drivers.
> >>
> >> And then i also got an earful about the helmet mounted lights.
> >> Basically if some cyclists blinds me again with their %$%%$ helmet
> >> light again i am going to run into them, etc, etc.. Although my
> >> sentiment isn't that strong, my attitude is those lights are for trail
> >> use only. (and at dusk or dawn they make you less visible anyway)
> >> ie they are active stealth.
> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yehudi_lights
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Stephen Fitzgerald

Ed may be totally right with his analysis, but even /driving/ down
that hill with the flow of traffic puts butterflies in my stomach. There
is something strangely claustrophobic and cattle-stampedeish about the
whole experience.

You couldn't pay me a million bucks to use that route on a bike commute.

> In general freeways are only closed to non-motorized traffic when
> there is a high density of interchanges. Most rural freeways and many
> in urban areas are open to bikes. They're perfectly safe as long as
> everyone uses common sense, which sounds like didn't happen in this
> case.
>
> Ed
>
> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 9:21 AM, David Rosen wrote:
>> Honestly, I don't get it. It's a FREEWAY! Cars are easily doing 60mph coming into the tunnel and what person in their right mind would think they are potentially safe riding next to these vehicles?
>>
>> Just avoid it altogether. Why would you risk your life to go down that? I know there is a shoulder but isn't that for motorized vehicle use? Bikes should be banned from certain sections of the highway.
>>
>> Something about Darwin and his theories applying in this situation keeps popping into my head...
>> Dave
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Dan H"
>> Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
>> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 09:04:50
>> To: john; Obra
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] cyclist causes vehicle accident on hwy 26..
>>
>> John, I understand your intent but nowhere in your post did you suggest
>> cyclists take the exit rather than risk death. Better yet, take a slightly
>> longer route and avoid the freeway altogether.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "john"
>> To: "Obra"
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 8:54 AM
>> Subject: [OBRA Chat] cyclist causes vehicle accident on hwy 26..
>>
>>
>>> Well thought i would share the emotion directed at me this morning...
>>> tidbits from non-cyclist's point of view...
>>>
>>> So i arrive at work today, to get accosted by my co-worker, " one of
>>> your bike buddies really did it this time... "
>>>
>>> Evidently a cyclist was coming down hwy 26 into portland. Rather than
>>> take the canyon rd exit, he came flying up on the inside of car about
>>> to exit, and on through to the tunnel. This caused the surprised about
>>> to exit driver to brake hard and a 2 or 3 car pile up ensued. (i guess
>>> this tactic does ensure a clear tunnel ).
>>>
>>> Anyway, If you are a cyclist coming down 26 in the future, by wary of
>>> pissed off drivers. Whether right or wrong or other, my co-worker is
>>> sputtering mad (and he wasn't even involved), other drivers are for
>>> sure as well, and the sentiment i am recieving is that it would be a
>>> service to society to run over cyclist. ahh yeah.. great.
>>>
>>> So anyway lets try not to work up the emotion of car drivers.
>>>
>>> And then i also got an earful about the helmet mounted lights.
>>> Basically if some cyclists blinds me again with their %$%%$ helmet
>>> light again i am going to run into them, etc, etc.. Although my
>>> sentiment isn't that strong, my attitude is those lights are for trail
>>> use only. (and at dusk or dawn they make you less visible anyway)
>>> ie they are active stealth.
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yehudi_lights
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> OBRA mailing list
>>> obra@list.obra.org
>>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
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www.monovich.com/perpetualthree/

Edward Groth

I can't speak to the actions of this particular driver or cyclist.

Riding the highway 26 shoulder between Oregon Zoo and Jefferson
Street/Goose Hollow (including the tunnel) is perfectly legal and the
most direct way between the west hills.

If cars are heading into the tunnel a 60mph, they're speeding. The
speed limit through the tunnel is 50.

In general freeways are only closed to non-motorized traffic when
there is a high density of interchanges. Most rural freeways and many
in urban areas are open to bikes. They're perfectly safe as long as
everyone uses common sense, which sounds like didn't happen in this
case.

Ed

On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 9:21 AM, David Rosen wrote:
> Honestly, I don't get it. It's a FREEWAY! Cars are easily doing 60mph coming into the tunnel and what person in their right mind would think they are potentially safe riding next to these vehicles?
>
> Just avoid it altogether. Why would you risk your life to go down that? I know there is a shoulder but isn't that for motorized vehicle use? Bikes should be banned from certain sections of the highway.
>
> Something about Darwin and his theories applying in this situation keeps popping into my head...
> Dave
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Dan H"
> Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 09:04:50
> To: john; Obra
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] cyclist causes vehicle accident on hwy 26..
>
> John, I understand your intent but nowhere in your post did you suggest
> cyclists take the exit rather than risk death. Better yet, take a slightly
> longer route and avoid the freeway altogether.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "john"
> To: "Obra"
> Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 8:54 AM
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] cyclist causes vehicle accident on hwy 26..
>
>
>> Well thought i would share the emotion directed at me this morning...
>> tidbits from non-cyclist's point of view...
>>
>> So i arrive at work today, to get accosted by my co-worker, " one of
>> your bike buddies really did it this time... "
>>
>> Evidently a cyclist was coming down hwy 26 into portland.  Rather than
>> take the canyon rd exit, he came flying up on the inside of car about
>> to exit, and on through to the tunnel. This caused the surprised about
>> to exit driver to brake hard and a 2 or 3 car pile up ensued. (i guess
>> this tactic does ensure a clear tunnel ).
>>
>> Anyway, If you are a cyclist coming down 26 in the future, by wary of
>> pissed off drivers.  Whether right or wrong or other, my co-worker is
>> sputtering mad (and he wasn't even involved), other drivers are for
>> sure as well, and the sentiment i am recieving is that it would be a
>> service to society to run over cyclist.  ahh yeah.. great.
>>
>> So anyway lets try not to work up the emotion of car drivers.
>>
>> And then i also got an earful about the helmet mounted lights.
>> Basically if some cyclists blinds me again with their %$%%$ helmet
>> light again i am going to run into them, etc, etc..  Although my
>> sentiment isn't that strong, my attitude is those lights are for trail
>> use only.   (and at dusk or dawn they make you less visible anyway)
>> ie they are active stealth.
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yehudi_lights
>> _______________________________________________
>> OBRA mailing list
>> obra@list.obra.org
>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>
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Russ Rainforth

There is no shoulder *inside* the tunnel though!
That is simply suicidal...

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 6, 2010, at 9:21 AM, "David Rosen" wrote:

> Honestly, I don't get it. It's a FREEWAY! Cars are easily doing 60mph coming into the tunnel and what person in their right mind would think they are potentially safe riding next to these vehicles?
>
> Just avoid it altogether. Why would you risk your life to go down that? I know there is a shoulder but isn't that for motorized vehicle use? Bikes should be banned from certain sections of the highway.
>
> Something about Darwin and his theories applying in this situation keeps popping into my head...
> Dave
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Dan H"
> Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 09:04:50
> To: john; Obra
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] cyclist causes vehicle accident on hwy 26..
>
> John, I understand your intent but nowhere in your post did you suggest
> cyclists take the exit rather than risk death. Better yet, take a slightly
> longer route and avoid the freeway altogether.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "john"
> To: "Obra"
> Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 8:54 AM
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] cyclist causes vehicle accident on hwy 26..
>
>
>> Well thought i would share the emotion directed at me this morning...
>> tidbits from non-cyclist's point of view...
>>
>> So i arrive at work today, to get accosted by my co-worker, " one of
>> your bike buddies really did it this time... "
>>
>> Evidently a cyclist was coming down hwy 26 into portland. Rather than
>> take the canyon rd exit, he came flying up on the inside of car about
>> to exit, and on through to the tunnel. This caused the surprised about
>> to exit driver to brake hard and a 2 or 3 car pile up ensued. (i guess
>> this tactic does ensure a clear tunnel ).
>>
>> Anyway, If you are a cyclist coming down 26 in the future, by wary of
>> pissed off drivers. Whether right or wrong or other, my co-worker is
>> sputtering mad (and he wasn't even involved), other drivers are for
>> sure as well, and the sentiment i am recieving is that it would be a
>> service to society to run over cyclist. ahh yeah.. great.
>>
>> So anyway lets try not to work up the emotion of car drivers.
>>
>> And then i also got an earful about the helmet mounted lights.
>> Basically if some cyclists blinds me again with their %$%%$ helmet
>> light again i am going to run into them, etc, etc.. Although my
>> sentiment isn't that strong, my attitude is those lights are for trail
>> use only. (and at dusk or dawn they make you less visible anyway)
>> ie they are active stealth.
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yehudi_lights
>> _______________________________________________
>> OBRA mailing list
>> obra@list.obra.org
>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>
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David Rosen

Honestly, I don't get it. It's a FREEWAY! Cars are easily doing 60mph coming into the tunnel and what person in their right mind would think they are potentially safe riding next to these vehicles?

Just avoid it altogether. Why would you risk your life to go down that? I know there is a shoulder but isn't that for motorized vehicle use? Bikes should be banned from certain sections of the highway.

Something about Darwin and his theories applying in this situation keeps popping into my head...
Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: "Dan H"
Sender: obra-bounces@list.obra.org
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 09:04:50
To: john; Obra
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] cyclist causes vehicle accident on hwy 26..

John, I understand your intent but nowhere in your post did you suggest
cyclists take the exit rather than risk death. Better yet, take a slightly
longer route and avoid the freeway altogether.

----- Original Message -----
From: "john"
To: "Obra"
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 8:54 AM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] cyclist causes vehicle accident on hwy 26..

> Well thought i would share the emotion directed at me this morning...
> tidbits from non-cyclist's point of view...
>
> So i arrive at work today, to get accosted by my co-worker, " one of
> your bike buddies really did it this time... "
>
> Evidently a cyclist was coming down hwy 26 into portland. Rather than
> take the canyon rd exit, he came flying up on the inside of car about
> to exit, and on through to the tunnel. This caused the surprised about
> to exit driver to brake hard and a 2 or 3 car pile up ensued. (i guess
> this tactic does ensure a clear tunnel ).
>
> Anyway, If you are a cyclist coming down 26 in the future, by wary of
> pissed off drivers. Whether right or wrong or other, my co-worker is
> sputtering mad (and he wasn't even involved), other drivers are for
> sure as well, and the sentiment i am recieving is that it would be a
> service to society to run over cyclist. ahh yeah.. great.
>
> So anyway lets try not to work up the emotion of car drivers.
>
> And then i also got an earful about the helmet mounted lights.
> Basically if some cyclists blinds me again with their %$%%$ helmet
> light again i am going to run into them, etc, etc.. Although my
> sentiment isn't that strong, my attitude is those lights are for trail
> use only. (and at dusk or dawn they make you less visible anyway)
> ie they are active stealth.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yehudi_lights
> _______________________________________________
> OBRA mailing list
> obra@list.obra.org
> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
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John, I understand your intent but nowhere in your post did you suggest
cyclists take the exit rather than risk death. Better yet, take a slightly
longer route and avoid the freeway altogether.

----- Original Message -----
From: "john"
To: "Obra"
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 8:54 AM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] cyclist causes vehicle accident on hwy 26..

> Well thought i would share the emotion directed at me this morning...
> tidbits from non-cyclist's point of view...
>
> So i arrive at work today, to get accosted by my co-worker, " one of
> your bike buddies really did it this time... "
>
> Evidently a cyclist was coming down hwy 26 into portland. Rather than
> take the canyon rd exit, he came flying up on the inside of car about
> to exit, and on through to the tunnel. This caused the surprised about
> to exit driver to brake hard and a 2 or 3 car pile up ensued. (i guess
> this tactic does ensure a clear tunnel ).
>
> Anyway, If you are a cyclist coming down 26 in the future, by wary of
> pissed off drivers. Whether right or wrong or other, my co-worker is
> sputtering mad (and he wasn't even involved), other drivers are for
> sure as well, and the sentiment i am recieving is that it would be a
> service to society to run over cyclist. ahh yeah.. great.
>
> So anyway lets try not to work up the emotion of car drivers.
>
> And then i also got an earful about the helmet mounted lights.
> Basically if some cyclists blinds me again with their %$%%$ helmet
> light again i am going to run into them, etc, etc.. Although my
> sentiment isn't that strong, my attitude is those lights are for trail
> use only. (and at dusk or dawn they make you less visible anyway)
> ie they are active stealth.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yehudi_lights
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joec@aracnet.com

There is a word for people like: "Potential Organ-donor".

Dumb-ass/ignorant cyclists are just as bad as dumb-assed ignorant
motorists
(and I encounterd both on my bike ride home last night). There are
times I wish
police officers were handy enough to ticket both for not only poor
habits but also
stupidity and putting other's lives at risk.

Ok, rant over.

On Wed, 6 Oct 2010 08:54:45 -0700, john wrote:
> Well thought i would share the emotion directed at me this morning...
> tidbits from non-cyclist's point of view...
>
> So i arrive at work today, to get accosted by my co-worker, " one of
> your bike buddies really did it this time... "
>
> Evidently a cyclist was coming down hwy 26 into portland. Rather than
> take the canyon rd exit, he came flying up on the inside of car about
> to exit, and on through to the tunnel. This caused the surprised about
> to exit driver to brake hard and a 2 or 3 car pile up ensued. (i guess
> this tactic does ensure a clear tunnel ).
>
> Anyway, If you are a cyclist coming down 26 in the future, by wary of
> pissed off drivers. Whether right or wrong or other, my co-worker is
> sputtering mad (and he wasn't even involved), other drivers are for
> sure as well, and the sentiment i am recieving is that it would be a
> service to society to run over cyclist. ahh yeah.. great.
>
> So anyway lets try not to work up the emotion of car drivers.
>
> And then i also got an earful about the helmet mounted lights.
> Basically if some cyclists blinds me again with their %$%%$ helmet
> light again i am going to run into them, etc, etc.. Although my
> sentiment isn't that strong, my attitude is those lights are for trail
> use only. (and at dusk or dawn they make you less visible anyway)
> ie they are active stealth.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yehudi_lights
> _______________________________________________
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john

Well thought i would share the emotion directed at me this morning...
tidbits from non-cyclist's point of view...

So i arrive at work today, to get accosted by my co-worker, " one of
your bike buddies really did it this time... "

Evidently a cyclist was coming down hwy 26 into portland. Rather than
take the canyon rd exit, he came flying up on the inside of car about
to exit, and on through to the tunnel. This caused the surprised about
to exit driver to brake hard and a 2 or 3 car pile up ensued. (i guess
this tactic does ensure a clear tunnel ).

Anyway, If you are a cyclist coming down 26 in the future, by wary of
pissed off drivers. Whether right or wrong or other, my co-worker is
sputtering mad (and he wasn't even involved), other drivers are for
sure as well, and the sentiment i am recieving is that it would be a
service to society to run over cyclist. ahh yeah.. great.

So anyway lets try not to work up the emotion of car drivers.

And then i also got an earful about the helmet mounted lights.
Basically if some cyclists blinds me again with their %$%%$ helmet
light again i am going to run into them, etc, etc.. Although my
sentiment isn't that strong, my attitude is those lights are for trail
use only. (and at dusk or dawn they make you less visible anyway)
ie they are active stealth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yehudi_lights