Alexandra Angle
I found that to be hilarious. Smack talk or Obra chat makes no difference to me.
Thanks for making me laugh, Wil!
AA
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1. Re: 'Cross-Commuters V. Roadie Commuters
(Ron and Dorothy Strasser)
2. Re: 'Cross-Commuters V. Roadie Commuters (Stephen Fitzgerald)
3. Re: WTT: bumpy Sherwood for Ninkrossi? (Ron and Dorothy Strasser)
4. Re: Tonight on OPB (holstein71)
5. Re: Forest Park rally ride this Sat. (Ron and Dorothy Strasser)
6. Re: Blind Date series totals after race #3
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10. Re: 'Cross-Commuters V. Roadie Commuters (johnfforbes@comcast.net)
11. Fwd: [DisciplesOfDirt] Meeting date correction! --> Tues.
Oct. 19th <-- (NOT 26th!) (Forest Wilson)
12. WTB: look style road pedals (Jonathan Neu)
13. Re: 'Cross-Commuters V. Roadie Commuters
(Ron and Dorothy Strasser)
14. Re: 'Cross-Commuters V. Roadie Commuters (Catlin, Wil)
15. Biking in Cemetary (sharkattack97219@peoplepc.com)
16. Re: Biking in Cemetary (Mark J. Ginsberg)
17. Re: 'Cross-Commuters V. Roadie Commuters (Mike Murray)
18. Re: 'Cross-Commuters V. Roadie Commuters (Mike Murray)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 12:05:43 -0700
From: "Ron and Dorothy Strasser"
To: "Wil Catlin" ,
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] 'Cross-Commuters V. Roadie Commuters
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I will only say you seem a bit sure of yourself and this belongs on the smack talk section of Cross Crusade where someone "might" care about what you "think". I might add it is not always good to believe what you "think".
ron
----- Original Message -----
From: Wil Catlin
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 2:28 PM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] 'Cross-Commuters V. Roadie Commuters
Autumn usually means three things: foggy morning commutes, BTA-inflated bike lane echelons, and (best of all) Roadie v. Crossie flame wars on OBRA chat. YES. Love those things. But what's up this year? Fog: check. BTA minions: check. Flame wars: nada, zip, zero. The best y'all can muster is to correct course lengths and propose alternate usages for membership cards. BORING. So let's take a new angle on this: from the perspective of a year-round bike commuter who?s watched all the peaks and valleys of your periodized training from the bike lane, let me state for the record: ?cross commuters are SO LAME compared to roadie commuters! Yes, they totally are.
How am I certain I can correctly identify a ?cross commuter (and, therefore, assert so positively their lameness)? Can?t believe you need to ask, as they are so clearly differentiated, starting from the jaunty little elbows of their cantilever brakes and their bald commuter tires (no cash left after buying fancy handmade disgust tubulars), to their preternaturally clean vinyl roll-top tube packs and Swurve capris hiked up just far enough on the drive-side to show their new calf tats. But most obvious is their combination of ferocity (?how can you tell you?re in a cross race? You can see a cross bike?) and utter lack of endurance. They skip to the front of stoplight lines nattering about their new call-up position after Heifer farms and sprint up bridge risers (?hill interval? in ?cross-ese) only to fade mid-span like Rasmussen in a headwind, clogging the lanes and muttering about pain caves. Just yesterday morning I was passed by a whole peloton (two)
of these guys, drillin
g it up Hawthorne bridge in the pre-dawn gloom, their ant-blinkies visible from at least ten feet away. They took the heroic hole-clot onto the sidewalk single-track and promptly died over the slight deck rise into town, refusing to let folks pass even though we were jammed up on their wheels like so much Alpenlily mud. And it's not just bridges and lights that provoke these surge/sag cycles. Squirrel by the road? JUMP. Styling commuter in cowboy boots? JUMP. Sigh.
Makes me nostalgic for those Tuesday spring mornings when I?d tempo along Ankeny and stay far to the right while five-figure Colnagos passed me like sportscars on the autostrada, their pilots clad in Sisi carbon-soled shoes and Crooks bros. shirts, ties flipped casually back and one hand busy texting paralegal assistants about how they have to leave by 5:15 sharp to make their PIR start time and oh, could they track down the Raffi shipment that was supposed to come in yesterday? Good times. At least those guys could hold pace, even if they always slow down a little when passing so you can latch on, then slowly ramp up speed and drop you like a humiliated Albert in snow. Yeah, on the commuter front, Roadies have it all over the Crossis (one of them has got to stick?). Give me passive-aggressive commuting, any day.
Aw, who am I kidding: I love you all. Really. Except maybe for the Masters 50+ Intel commuters who have impossible outdoor-tans all year round, outsized calves and lungs, who insist on climbing through the zoo when Fairview is clearly quicker and less icy, and pass me in January going DOWN the backside of the 26 bike path, no matter how fast I pedal or try to ignore the fact that a chamois just does not provide adequate wind protection in sub-freezing weather ? those guys I only kinda? like!
Safe riding, everyone,
Wil
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 12:13:58 -0700
From: Stephen Fitzgerald
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I thought it was a nice read. Clearly done with humor.
cheers.
On 10/14/2010 12:05 PM, Ron and Dorothy Strasser wrote:
I will only say you seem a bit sure of yourself and this belongs on
the smack talk section of Cross Crusade where someone "might" care
about what you "think". I might add it is not always good to believe
what you "think".
ron
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Wil Catlin
*To:* obra@list.obra.org
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 13, 2010 2:28 PM
*Subject:* [OBRA Chat] 'Cross-Commuters V. Roadie Commuters
Autumn usually means three things: foggy morning commutes,
BTA-inflated bike lane echelons, and (best of all) Roadie v.
Crossie flame wars on OBRA chat. YES. Love those things. But
what's up this year? Fog: check. BTA minions: check. Flame wars:
nada, zip, zero. The best y'all can muster is to correct course
lengths and propose alternate usages for membership cards. BORING.
So let's take a new angle on this: from the perspective of a
year-round bike commuter who?s watched all the peaks and valleys
of your periodized training from the bike lane, let me state for
the record: ?cross commuters are SO LAME compared to roadie
commuters! Yes, they totally are.
How am I certain I can correctly identify a ?cross commuter (and,
therefore, assert so positively their lameness)? Can?t believe you
need to ask, as they are so clearly differentiated, starting from
the jaunty little elbows of their cantilever brakes and their bald
commuter tires (no cash left after buying fancy handmade disgust
tubulars), to their preternaturally clean vinyl roll-top tube
packs and Swurve capris hiked up just far enough on the drive-side
to show their new calf tats. But most obvious is their combination
of ferocity (?how can you tell you?re in a cross race? You can see
a cross bike?) and utter lack of endurance. They skip to the front
of stoplight lines nattering about their new call-up position
after Heifer farms and sprint up bridge risers (?hill interval? in
?cross-ese) only to fade mid-span like Rasmussen in a headwind,
clogging the lanes and muttering about pain caves. Just yesterday
morning I was passed by a whole peloton (two) of these guys,
drilling it up Hawthorne bridge in the pre-dawn gloom, their
ant-blinkies visible from at least ten feet away. They took the
heroic hole-clot onto the sidewalk single-track and promptly died
over the slight deck rise into town, refusing to let folks pass
even though we were jammed up on their wheels like so much
Alpenlily mud. And it's not just bridges and lights that provoke
these surge/sag cycles. Squirrel by the road? JUMP. Styling
commuter in cowboy boots? JUMP. Sigh.
Makes me nostalgic for those Tuesday spring mornings when I?d
tempo along Ankeny and stay far to the right while five-figure
Colnagos passed me like sportscars on the autostrada, their pilots
clad in Sisi carbon-soled shoes and Crooks bros. shirts, ties
flipped casually back and one hand busy texting paralegal
assistants about how they have to leave by 5:15 sharp to make
their PIR start time and oh, could they track down the Raffi
shipment that was supposed to come in yesterday? Good times. At
least those guys could hold pace, even if they always slow down a
little when passing so you can latch on, then slowly ramp up speed
and drop you like a humiliated Albert in snow. Yeah, on the
commuter front, Roadies have it all over the Crossis (one of them
has got to stick?). Give me passive-aggressive commuting, any day.
Aw, who am I kidding: I love you all. Really. Except maybe for the
Masters 50+ Intel commuters who have impossible outdoor-tans all
year round, outsized calves and lungs, who insist on climbing
through the zoo when Fairview is clearly quicker and less icy, and
pass me in January going DOWN the backside of the 26 bike path, no
matter how fast I pedal or try to ignore the fact that a chamois
just does not provide adequate wind protection in sub-freezing
weather ? those guys I only kinda? like!
Safe riding, everyone,
Wil
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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 12:15:25 -0700
From: "Ron and Dorothy Strasser"
To: "craig austin" , "Thom Schoenborn"
Cc: obra@list.obra.org, will
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] WTT: bumpy Sherwood for Ninkrossi?
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YES!!!!
ron
----- Original Message -----
From: craig austin
To: Thom Schoenborn
Cc: obra@list.obra.org ; will
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] WTT: bumpy Sherwood for Ninkrossi?
Absolutely, no need to make that choice. Do both races. That's why the Ninkrossi race is Saturday.
Craig Austin
Half Fast Velo
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 7:46 AM, Thom Schoenborn wrote:
Choose? CHOOSE?!?!
This is AMERICA! We will do BOTH!
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Whenever it gets hard, just look down and yell, "shut up, legs!"
On Oct 14, 2010, at 7:37 AM, "will" wrote:
I know that Sherwood could have you feeling the "shakes" so consider racing at the Ninkasi sponsored Ninkrossi race. It is sponsored by Camas Bike & Sport, Ninkasi, & the Half Fast Velo club.
It's also a Saturday race which would give you a whole day to recover before going back to work Monday morning. Here's the flier: http://www.domainnouveau.com/app/media/docs/Ninkasi-flier.pdf
No matter what you choose, I hope it's muddy & you have a great time.
-will
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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 12:15:42 -0700
From: holstein71
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...and unexplained tree deaths.
Someone is secretly killing trees???
Bastards must be found and brought to justice...
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 12:19:46 -0700
From: "Ron and Dorothy Strasser"
To: "Brian Baumann" ,
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Forest Park rally ride this Sat.
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I am committed to the Saturday race, but urge anyone who can make this to attend and show the "numbers of riders" that do use the park, respect it and feel the need to be treated equal. This is America correct? Equal!
ron
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Baumann
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 6:06 AM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Forest Park rally ride this Sat.
First, we would like to apologize for this ride taking place on the same day as the cross race, but we just couldn't pass up the timing. If you are deciding between the rally and the race, support the local race scene! If you are resting your weary legs for Sunday, please come out and show your support of fellow cyclists. Bring your family, bring your friends, the more the better.
Northwest Trail Alliance is organizing a group ride in Forest Park at 9 am on Satur